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Bill Emerson's avatar

Excellent analysis. Batya’s analysis of the Trump voter is terrific. Started out as a big Vivek fan but he lost me with his, I assume, Trump imitation of winning by demeaning, disrespecting, and interrupting your opponents. Christie was right, we need to stop normalizing this type of behavior. As for the discussion on foreign policy, Haley is far and away the best candidate. Prior to both World Wars, there was strong push to “pull up the drawbridge. Not our fight. Mind our own business.” Whether Tucker likes it or not, as the increasingly arguable leader of the free world, what America doe# affects what our adversaries for that title do. We had to get out of Afghanistan which provided us “eyes in the sky” over some of our biggest adversaries. We had solemn speeches about “putting our boys at risk” by people who had never served or put anything at risk (looking at you, Tucker) even though the America casualties in the last year of our presence there were less than an average weekend in Chicago. The exit from Afghanistan could not have been more feckless and humiliating, making our withdrawal from Viet Nam look heroic in comparison. What do you know, not long after that, Putin decides to roll into Ukraine and China starts telling Taiwan to expect them soon. The idea that none of this affects us is infantile. Haley is right and, for me, the winner of the debate.

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William's avatar

Putin first “rolled into Ukrainian” in 2014 so your whole point is mute. Notice that he didn’t attack Ukraine during the trump years, it was only after Biden and co started talking again about having Ukraine in NATO that Putin continued his invasion.

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Bill Emerson's avatar

Point taken although it’s worth noting that Putin decided to take Crimea not long after Obama reneged on his “red line” against Syria using gas on its own people.

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William's avatar

True but wasn’t 2014 the year Obama orchestrated regime change in Ukraine? My guess is that had a larger impact o Putin taking Crimea than Obama’s “red line” comment, which to be fair was a terrible foreign policy decision.

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Bill Emerson's avatar

It's all of a piece I think. The "Red Line" against use of Chemical weapons came out around 2012. This was crossed shortly thereafter and, after much dithering, Obama chose not to follow through on his threat to intervene. Regime change came 2 years later in Crimea, which was treated as a non-event by the Obama WH. As I said earlier, American lack of resolve will be treated as weakness and an invitation to adventurism by our adversaries. The full price of our disastrous exit from Afghanistan has, IMHO, yet to be determined.

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Lee Morris's avatar

Yep, Putin judged our withdrawal in Afghanistan as weak and incompetent- hence his adventure in Ukraine. Which of course, made us respond in kind. He did not expect that.

If we handled Afghanistan better, Putin might not have moved.

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Harry Potter's avatar

Funny I saw it the opposite. He didn’t interrupt his opponents. They all howled as they were exposed Pence Christie, Hailey. GE was called names and patronized by all of them.

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Scuba Cat's avatar

Nikki Haley is a war profiteer. She loves this war because she's making money hand over fist. Lee Fang documents it on his Substack. https://www.leefang.com/p/nikki-haleys-sudden-wealth-rooted

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Bill Emerson's avatar

Interesting article. The presumption being, I guess, that anyone who receives support from the defense industry is a "war profiteer." That POV ignores the consistency of Haley's views going back to when she was Governor of SC and in her role as US Ambassador to the UN. Moreover, it is irrelevant to the central points of her comments in the debate. America will remain safe as long as our enemies fear us - full stop. Disengaging from the world, as demonstrated by the Afghanistan debacle, makes us less safe, not more. What Haley said was correct.

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