The focus of this article is who gets the ribbon or trophy. There is Nothing about NCAA core values of; well-being, fairness, integrity, and teamwork. It’s been determined that transgender people who participate in sports have better mental health. So what we’re talking about here is the emotional harm done to someone who didn’t win a trophy, compared to not letting transgender’s compete. This means placing a higher value on someone winning a medal than the psychological well-being of transgender’s; what kind of value system is that?
"Transgender people who participate in sports have better mental health?" Where is the study on that, and how was it determined?
So, one person who supposedly feels better about themselves by competing as a woman when they are a biological male is allowed to destroy women's sports?
I fail to see the "fairness" in this.
From your posts you seem to want to be the contrarian in any discussion. Now why is that?
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
😂🤣🤣😂. So does that mean Iszac is going to kill herself for identifying as a man but choosing to race against like bodied females?
Suicide is sad, but you are literally arguing that women and girls should take a back seat, and give up opportunities and bodily safety, to coddle the mental illness of delusional men.
It’s really sad if trans people, or anyone, kills themselves. It’s also not the responsibility of women and girls to play make believe so they don’t. Maybe you should be telling the boys to be more accepting of other boys who identify as girls, rather than telling the girls to go pound sand.
Lia participated in swimming at UPenn for 3 years - nothing was stopping him from doing it a 4th against the like bodied males he had been competing against. He couldn’t handle being mediocre.
And I’ve not hear ONE person call for Iszac to be banned from women’s swimming, nor Lia to be banned from men’s.
Just me is overtly misogynistic. Genuinely believes boys feelings are the most important thing to society and women are just trash to be thrown aside. According to just me we only exist to cheer for the boys.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
I wouldn't give him that much credit. He is a far Lefty troll who has come onto this site so he can antagonize moderate people. I have seen his ilk before. It makes him feel powerful.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
Here are the facts - YOU are a misogynist. You are demanding women and girls give up their bodily security and opportunities to coddle the delusions of men. That’s abusive.
Why don’t you just admit you hate women and girls and you don’t care how many are assaulted, raped, or lose scholarships, victories, and athletic opportunities because you value the feelings of delusional men over safety and opportunity for all women and girls??????
All it’s actually doing is showing Just Me to be a moron. What idiot thinks the point of D 1 athletics is to coddle delusional men as opposed to, I dunno, winning?????!? What a moron!!
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
I am not responsible for another person choosing to take their own life. My 10 year old daughter has ZERO obligation to give up her bodily safety, privacy, or opportunities because some boy or man will go kill himself if he doesn’t get to steal that safety and those opportunities from her. It’s not the job of women to coddle men’s delusions. Women and girls are not responsible for the delusions. If the acknowledgement of immutable biological reality puts someone over the edge into killing themselves then the blame lies with that person and that person alone.
You’re a misogynist - why don’t you just say so!!!!
So a biological male’s well being (by allowing him to compete to win a trophy) against biological females is more important than those females’ entire life’s work to achieve female excellence going up in smoke. Got it. Guess feminism isn’t woke enough for you.
Having an XY, who is transgender, compete against a XX does not change XX excellence; it merely means XX will not get a medal. It will not stop XX from living a full and happy life.
“Yeah, women! Male people’s feelings are more important than any goal or priority of yours. If you care about winning races or dream of breaking a record in your sport, you’re selfish and uncaring. You know what you should care about instead? Male feelings! Don’t like that? Suck it up and go have a full, happy life, attending to some dude’s feelings, like you’re meant to do.” That’s what your “values” sound like to me.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
After the XY stole the XX’s medal, she just has to deal with it then. That’s akin to rape - the XY gets to take whatever he wants, and the XX just has to take it. Either you’re a troll or you’re a misogynist in the truest sense.
Just me is a troll with a 2-digit IQ and one of the most overtly misogynistic commenters on Bari’s Substack - this the “girls should spend thousands of hours training and just shut up so the white boy can be given the trophy” attitude.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
And your implication is an abuse tactic. I was stalked for 2 years by an ex boyfriend who thought it was my responsibility to date him or he’d kill himself. Millions of women are threatened with this. Suicide is sad but it’s no one’s responsibility to coddle the delusions of others. Nor to give up on their hopes and dreams to coddle the mental health of another. If Iszac can swim as a woman then Lia can swim as a man. Period.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
I find it actually interesting with the social dynamic in play.
Historically, men tended to not want to compete against women in physical endeavors because there was a social negative regardless of outcome:
1) The man looses and is “ridiculed” for losing to a woman.
2) The man looses and is “ridiculed” for winning against a woman.
It was, historically, a “ Kobayashi Maru”. There was no winning for the man.
For women it was a no lose condition. If the woman won, it proved her prowess and she would gain in social stature. If she lost it proved her tenacity and improved her social standing.
Somehow, a small group of men, cheered on by mostly women, have convinced people it is actually “stunning and brave” for a man to compete against women and win. That this is somehow “virtuous”.
He may be an asshole, I don't know. But that is irrelevant. This was the inevitable result of letting people pretend to be the opposite sex in any arena or walk of life and forcing others to go along with that pretense. No one should be surprised.
I actually agree. Before this became an activist movement sponsored by the likes of Gates to literally invent a multi-billion per year pharmaceutical subscriptions plan market, there were, very rarely, a group of adult men who wanted to live like they were women, and mostly be left alone. These people weren’t obsessed with bathroom access or stealing girl’s opportunities in sports or having a female college roommate to terrify. If not for the social contagion invention of this giant “trans” community, I personally didn’t care. I knew a Brad who became Brandi around 2004 through work. His description of the surgery to become her was, um, stomach churning. Brandi was nice, odd, and transitioned at 35. Brandi also waited to use Women’s private spaces until after bottom surgery. Brandi was far too damaged for athletics or other things. While I did and do find it a bit bizarre, Brandi never bothered me and adults do weird things to their bodies all the time.
Enter far left activists turning kids who would have cut or starved themselves when I was a teenager 20 years ago, and suddenly we have e our our numbers of kids who are sterilizing themselves, and getting the attention they desperately wanted, while destroying their bodies and health. The number of pedophiles that are now claiming to be “trans” to access young kids is terrifying. The number of sexual predators, and generally attention seeking bullies like Lia, who actually hate women s as no girls, are being given the legal right to threaten, harm, attack, and destroy them.
Women have lost the right to bodily security and fair competition. Angry men that want to hurt women and harass them have been given the go ahead. It’s now “accepting” to allow grown men to walk around private female spaces with an erect penis. Rapist now have a legal right to demand to be placed in a female jail. Little girls are being raped in pool changing rooms, high school bathrooms, and Women’s prisons. An entire generation is being robbed of the right to compete.
The Brandi’s of the world aren’t the problem. The activists and “Lia’s” and big pharma who seeks profit, and WEF back billionaires which seek to destroy our human identity, especially at its most basic level of human reproduction, to reduce us all to digits to be controlled are the problem.
Until the term women is again firmly rooted in biological sex, and women and girls have protected private spaces and fair competition again, I will not cede the language. I will not pretend like Lia won anything other than a jerk off award. I won’t play make believe. I do not support any cause where the result is destroying women and girls while sterilizing children and denying immutable biological truth.
At the same time, it’s not because I hate, or even dislike, the Brandi’s of the world. I do however have deep anger towards the Bill Gates, misogynistic gender and neoracist activists, child sterilizers, and exhibitionists like Lia of the world.
I'm not sure he does any harm because the Left is constantly changing definitions and positions. You never know from one day to the next what is "acceptable."
Thomas could easily have declined to swim on the women’s team. The fact that he’s competing against women makes him an asshole.
The focus of this article is who gets the ribbon or trophy. There is Nothing about NCAA core values of; well-being, fairness, integrity, and teamwork. It’s been determined that transgender people who participate in sports have better mental health. So what we’re talking about here is the emotional harm done to someone who didn’t win a trophy, compared to not letting transgender’s compete. This means placing a higher value on someone winning a medal than the psychological well-being of transgender’s; what kind of value system is that?
"Transgender people who participate in sports have better mental health?" Where is the study on that, and how was it determined?
So, one person who supposedly feels better about themselves by competing as a woman when they are a biological male is allowed to destroy women's sports?
I fail to see the "fairness" in this.
From your posts you seem to want to be the contrarian in any discussion. Now why is that?
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
"Trans-exclusive policies substantially harm transgender youth"
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/fact-sheet-importance-sports-participation-transgender-youth/
😂🤣🤣😂. So does that mean Iszac is going to kill herself for identifying as a man but choosing to race against like bodied females?
Suicide is sad, but you are literally arguing that women and girls should take a back seat, and give up opportunities and bodily safety, to coddle the mental illness of delusional men.
It’s really sad if trans people, or anyone, kills themselves. It’s also not the responsibility of women and girls to play make believe so they don’t. Maybe you should be telling the boys to be more accepting of other boys who identify as girls, rather than telling the girls to go pound sand.
Lia participated in swimming at UPenn for 3 years - nothing was stopping him from doing it a 4th against the like bodied males he had been competing against. He couldn’t handle being mediocre.
And I’ve not hear ONE person call for Iszac to be banned from women’s swimming, nor Lia to be banned from men’s.
“Failure to handle your anger well can cause mental health problems, as well. Anger affects your thoughts and feelings.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-mind-body-connection/202007/what-causes-anger-and-how-it-affects-the-body
Just me is overtly misogynistic. Genuinely believes boys feelings are the most important thing to society and women are just trash to be thrown aside. According to just me we only exist to cheer for the boys.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
I wouldn't give him that much credit. He is a far Lefty troll who has come onto this site so he can antagonize moderate people. I have seen his ilk before. It makes him feel powerful.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
Here are the facts - YOU are a misogynist. You are demanding women and girls give up their bodily security and opportunities to coddle the delusions of men. That’s abusive.
Why don’t you just admit you hate women and girls and you don’t care how many are assaulted, raped, or lose scholarships, victories, and athletic opportunities because you value the feelings of delusional men over safety and opportunity for all women and girls??????
All it’s actually doing is showing Just Me to be a moron. What idiot thinks the point of D 1 athletics is to coddle delusional men as opposed to, I dunno, winning?????!? What a moron!!
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
I am not responsible for another person choosing to take their own life. My 10 year old daughter has ZERO obligation to give up her bodily safety, privacy, or opportunities because some boy or man will go kill himself if he doesn’t get to steal that safety and those opportunities from her. It’s not the job of women to coddle men’s delusions. Women and girls are not responsible for the delusions. If the acknowledgement of immutable biological reality puts someone over the edge into killing themselves then the blame lies with that person and that person alone.
You’re a misogynist - why don’t you just say so!!!!
So a biological male’s well being (by allowing him to compete to win a trophy) against biological females is more important than those females’ entire life’s work to achieve female excellence going up in smoke. Got it. Guess feminism isn’t woke enough for you.
Having an XY, who is transgender, compete against a XX does not change XX excellence; it merely means XX will not get a medal. It will not stop XX from living a full and happy life.
“Yeah, women! Male people’s feelings are more important than any goal or priority of yours. If you care about winning races or dream of breaking a record in your sport, you’re selfish and uncaring. You know what you should care about instead? Male feelings! Don’t like that? Suck it up and go have a full, happy life, attending to some dude’s feelings, like you’re meant to do.” That’s what your “values” sound like to me.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
What a message that sends. Lying and cheating does not stop anyone from living a full and happy life, therefore, go for it!
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
After the XY stole the XX’s medal, she just has to deal with it then. That’s akin to rape - the XY gets to take whatever he wants, and the XX just has to take it. Either you’re a troll or you’re a misogynist in the truest sense.
Just me is a troll with a 2-digit IQ and one of the most overtly misogynistic commenters on Bari’s Substack - this the “girls should spend thousands of hours training and just shut up so the white boy can be given the trophy” attitude.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
It is not the responsibility of women to give up their hard earned victories and bodily safety to keep a man from killing himself.
And your implication is an abuse tactic. I was stalked for 2 years by an ex boyfriend who thought it was my responsibility to date him or he’d kill himself. Millions of women are threatened with this. Suicide is sad but it’s no one’s responsibility to coddle the delusions of others. Nor to give up on their hopes and dreams to coddle the mental health of another. If Iszac can swim as a woman then Lia can swim as a man. Period.
I have come to the same opinion on Just me. He is a troll and wants to jack us around. I doubt he even believes all the absurdities he promotes.
Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!
He's competing against women because he came in 400th when he competed against men. He may be weird but he's not dumb.
I find it actually interesting with the social dynamic in play.
Historically, men tended to not want to compete against women in physical endeavors because there was a social negative regardless of outcome:
1) The man looses and is “ridiculed” for losing to a woman.
2) The man looses and is “ridiculed” for winning against a woman.
It was, historically, a “ Kobayashi Maru”. There was no winning for the man.
For women it was a no lose condition. If the woman won, it proved her prowess and she would gain in social stature. If she lost it proved her tenacity and improved her social standing.
Somehow, a small group of men, cheered on by mostly women, have convinced people it is actually “stunning and brave” for a man to compete against women and win. That this is somehow “virtuous”.
I think it is mental.
That’s because it’s mental.
"losing" not "loosing" (smile and wink emoji). Solid points.
Kobayashi Maru.
He is competing against women because he can't win against men. Winning to him is more important than anything else.
He may be an asshole, I don't know. But that is irrelevant. This was the inevitable result of letting people pretend to be the opposite sex in any arena or walk of life and forcing others to go along with that pretense. No one should be surprised.
I actually agree. Before this became an activist movement sponsored by the likes of Gates to literally invent a multi-billion per year pharmaceutical subscriptions plan market, there were, very rarely, a group of adult men who wanted to live like they were women, and mostly be left alone. These people weren’t obsessed with bathroom access or stealing girl’s opportunities in sports or having a female college roommate to terrify. If not for the social contagion invention of this giant “trans” community, I personally didn’t care. I knew a Brad who became Brandi around 2004 through work. His description of the surgery to become her was, um, stomach churning. Brandi was nice, odd, and transitioned at 35. Brandi also waited to use Women’s private spaces until after bottom surgery. Brandi was far too damaged for athletics or other things. While I did and do find it a bit bizarre, Brandi never bothered me and adults do weird things to their bodies all the time.
Enter far left activists turning kids who would have cut or starved themselves when I was a teenager 20 years ago, and suddenly we have e our our numbers of kids who are sterilizing themselves, and getting the attention they desperately wanted, while destroying their bodies and health. The number of pedophiles that are now claiming to be “trans” to access young kids is terrifying. The number of sexual predators, and generally attention seeking bullies like Lia, who actually hate women s as no girls, are being given the legal right to threaten, harm, attack, and destroy them.
Women have lost the right to bodily security and fair competition. Angry men that want to hurt women and harass them have been given the go ahead. It’s now “accepting” to allow grown men to walk around private female spaces with an erect penis. Rapist now have a legal right to demand to be placed in a female jail. Little girls are being raped in pool changing rooms, high school bathrooms, and Women’s prisons. An entire generation is being robbed of the right to compete.
The Brandi’s of the world aren’t the problem. The activists and “Lia’s” and big pharma who seeks profit, and WEF back billionaires which seek to destroy our human identity, especially at its most basic level of human reproduction, to reduce us all to digits to be controlled are the problem.
Until the term women is again firmly rooted in biological sex, and women and girls have protected private spaces and fair competition again, I will not cede the language. I will not pretend like Lia won anything other than a jerk off award. I won’t play make believe. I do not support any cause where the result is destroying women and girls while sterilizing children and denying immutable biological truth.
At the same time, it’s not because I hate, or even dislike, the Brandi’s of the world. I do however have deep anger towards the Bill Gates, misogynistic gender and neoracist activists, child sterilizers, and exhibitionists like Lia of the world.
Well said.
I'm not sure he does any harm because the Left is constantly changing definitions and positions. You never know from one day to the next what is "acceptable."
The difference between men and women, yes.