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Feb 21, 2022Liked by Nellie Bowles, Suzy Weiss

The chilling effect detailed in this piece can't be overstated. When a relatively small group of zealots and self-appointed moral gatekeepers is empowered by every major cultural institution, they can compel or emotionally blackmail people into remaining silent/asserting something they don't believe to be true.

A message is being sent to the public, and people are quietly conditioned into subscribing to acceptable norms/behaviors. Self-censorship is a dangerous thing. If you say something enough times, or you refrain from saying something for long enough, you'll gradually come to adopt an opinion or belief that's completely antithetical to what your heart tells you is right or wrong.

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I’m tired of men treating being a girl/ women like a dress up costume they can put on to get attention. “Lia” is a man. Period. Because there are immutable biological differences between men and women, “Lia” is just another dude taking advantage of women for his own personal desires.

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Exactly! It is amazing that these (mostly) wealthy, successful people are so terrified of telling the truth. They allow their daughters to suffer because they are afraid to lose their material well-being and their place in society. But what kind of society are they creating? Do they really, does anyone really, want to live in a society built on lies and controlled by fear?

In 5 or 10 years when the transgender-industrial complex comes crashing down all of these people will act like they'd been fighting it all along when in actuality they did nothing but sit in the stands and seethe.

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Truckers have more courage then our “elite”

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And more brain power!

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That's because the truckers have more to lose.

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And the hundreds of thousands of children, then adults, injured by it will be abandon to their sterilized bodies with countless chronic health problems.

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Feb 21, 2022·edited Feb 22, 2022

Which is precisely the point of the medical community embracing, affirming and employing themselves.....to keep the surgeries coming for a lifetime of work. How many in the trans community understand the road ahead as their bodies are mutilated over and over? It's hellacious.

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Most that transition young (before 25 or so) will detransition or be dead from their own hand, illegal drugs, or big pharma subscription plans before they reach 50.

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There was an article a few years ago by a person who had transitioned from woman to man. He was in his late 50's or 60's and detailed why he would not do this if he could know in advance the suffering both physical and mental it would cause. I wish I could remember where, when and who wrote it.

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Doesn't the Hippocratic Oath say "first do no harm?" What could be more harmful than pumping a person full of powerful hormones and then surgically mutilating them? Long ago I read Maxwell Maltz' book Psycho-cybernetics. He was a plastic surgeon and had observed a peculiar phenomenon. People, primarily women, would come to him dissatisfied with their features and want him to surgically make them more attractive. He discovered that even after successful surgery they were often still dissatisfied with their appearance and still saw their former self. He realized the problem was in their self image and not in their physical appearance. He would have refused to do mutilating surgery and would instead have insisted the patient go for mental health treatment. I rate this book as one of the best and most profound I have ever read.

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Who knows what and how they are teaching in our medical schools? The medical profession seems to have partnered with many teachers who believe they can astutely diagnose a child in their classroom who requires hormones. It's all diabolical.

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“Sometimes I sing and dance around the house in my underwear. Doesn't make me Madonna. Never will.” - Cyn ("Working Girl", 1988)

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But he has imaginary ovaries!

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I wonder what he thinks when he pees…………,

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He thinks he should be Miss America since his OEM lady parts are so impressive.

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which accompany the imaginary menstrual cramps - get the dude some midol

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But women have to step up and fight this battle. Men will be told to shut up if they have an opinion on this issue.

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Marv Albert disagrees.... ;-)

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YEESSSHHHHH

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There are immutable biological differences between assholes and mouths and yet I can’t tell the difference between yours at all.

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That because one of yours is stuck up the other. 😂

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You just said the same thing I just said but less creative. The likes are just dopamine. Don’t let that fool you. It’s not about popularity, it’s about the truth. The truth is you just said the same thing I just said but less creative.

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So Maci, what is the definition of “woman”? You can live in a delusional make believe world all you want. I won’t join you. I’m grounded in objective truth. And Lia is objectively and truthfully a man.

I’m glad you agree your head is up your butt!!! That comes with being unable to distinguish between things that are immutably different.

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The insult was the same dear, the insult. The play is the thing. We are never going to agree on what a woman is. You say you’re objective, and so do I. I quit having these arguments long ago, and decided it was time to sharpen my wit. I like it, I consider it sport.

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"Classy." But unsurprising given your admission that you can't tell the difference.

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It's 6:30pm EST -- time for your chill pill!

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Maci strikes me as the type that loves pills………..

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An organized intense minority can overwhelm a less engaged majority

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Exactly. We get so caught up in the minutiae of everyday life or the sort of superficial issues that only inflame and distract, and before you know it the zeitgeist is upended and you're doggy-paddling against a riptide of intellectualized bullshit.

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Well, why does the author keep calling HIM a she?

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Because they're trying to have it both ways. They need to call this fraud out for what he is.

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I assume either the author considers him to be a woman, OR (my hope) wants the piece to be read by people who do.

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I'd rather not cast aspersions on our writer. Especially when it's likely I'm more worthy of criticism. But I understand your point.

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It's not an aspersion. It's legitimate criticism.

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Then read the second sentence.

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Bee Ess. Preferred pronouns are a bastardization of reality. They can call themselves Napoleon and dress like cleopatra but the rest of the world doesn’t need to go along with their mental illness or in this case punking the world.

She’s a HE. Calling HIM a she just furthers HIS argument.

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Right, I am fine on him wearing a dress and whatever but he's still a guy - even if he does wind up having all the cosmetic surgery in the world. We can treat such people with compassion but not agree with their fantasy/psych issue. Wil-Lia-m is not gay and dating men, merely a category of confused people. If he wants to live his life in "female" clothing and have some friends call him a girl, that is his business - but the rest of the world need not change around him, including language.

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Right - when people are coerced to play by their rules and actually do so - they win. They win everytime people abide by the parameters they set and enforce -- controlling what you can think, and how you speak and act. This is USSR - not USA.

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So, how do you define the word “woman” then?

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care how grown adults dress or refer to themselves. I do care if a man who “feels” like a woman believes they are entitled to housing with my daughter in a college dorm room. Factually, it’s still a man.

So no, I don’t support males having access to female housing, sports, scholarships, etc.

I refuse to cede the language any longer until women, real women, and girls gain back the protections based on immutable biological reality that trumps delusional feelings.

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I agree. There are no women except "cis-women" or "biological women." Therefore, we do not need to use a modifier for "woman." Woman = adult human female, and female means female, not male.

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Try as I might, I can’t think of a single good reason why the author of this piece would persistently refer to Thomas as “she” and “her.” The truth matters. It’s not easy, but now more than ever, journalists need to tell the truth, even if it hurts their likes on Twitter. The fiction that people can change their sex has taken hold because of guilty, virtue-signaling people like the author.

And what’s the point? That she's a compassionate person who feels bad for Lia Thomas because nobody will talk to her? Him. That parents feel guilty about resenting Thomas’ presence and admitting that their daughters, who have worked their tails off for years in order to get where they are now, have been effectively erased and all their hard-won strivings turned into a joke? That men have feelings too? That by referring to Thomas as “she” over and over again — i.e., lying — and then pointing out all the immutable biological sex advantages that males bring with them into the pool, she's signaling both her open-mindedness and capacity for irony? Sorry, but there are not two sides to this issue. What’s needed here is clarity, not irony.

Liars will say that sports are just a game, after all, that the ladies should quit being sore losers, show some grace, and slide their own asses ever so gently under the bus.

But there are more dire consequences for women than losing a gold medal as a result of normalizing the lie that men are women. Abigail Shrier will be happy to enlighten anyone with a passing interest regarding the devastation that is occurring around the country (the West Coast appears to be Ground Zero) as trans-identified males with intact male genitalia and a hankering for female bodies transfer to women’s prisons. Then we can move directly to the epidemic of adolescent girls being enabled to mutilate themselves by the medical profession based on the lie that they can become men. Once we privilege a lie, the permutations are endless.

In his January 24, 2022 testimony before the Indiana House of Representatives in support of HB 1041, a bill which would prohibit biological males from participating in girls’ sports in schools, trans-identified male Corinna Cohn spoke IN SUPPORT of the bill. After listing the permanent biological advantages he retains even after 30 years of hormone suppression, he says: "If more males like Lia are permitted to compete against women, it will become common to see women marginalized in their own sport category...I have school-aged girls in my family...they often need support and encouragement to stick to competitive activities. When boys are allowed to compete with girls in their own sport, that is one more reason a girl has to talk herself out of participating.”

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/01/24/transsexual-slams-planned-parenthood-aclu-womens-sports/

How is it that a trans-identified male is capable of telling the truth and the author is not?

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Penny - we disagree on this one. Allowing the mad left to control the narrative is to cede control. Remember "Newspeak?"

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Right - when people are coerced to play by their rules and actually do so - they win. They win everytime people abide by the parameters they set and enforce -- controlling what you can think, and how you speak and act. This is USSR - not USA.

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I am convinced Biden is a woman and Kamala Harris is a man which is why we are getting creamed on the international stage...

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Penny, as the woke love to say, words have consequences. Preferred pronouns are not part of the solution. They're a huge part of the problem.

Preferred pronouns the gateway drug that leads eight year olds to change their names. Ten year olds to puberty blockers. Twelve year olds to double mastectomies. Fourteen year olds to cross sex hormones. Sixteen year olds to vaginoplasties. Eighteen year olds to hysterectomies. And twenty year olds to phalloplasties.

The only way to win the war against the "transgender" zealots is to be firm about the reality of human sexual dimorphism and the immutability of biological sex. People, like you, who advocate for the use of preferred pronouns muddy the waters and give ammunition to the enemy. But perhaps that's your true goal.

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".....eight year olds to change their names. Ten year olds to puberty blockers. Twelve year olds to double mastectomies. Fourteen year olds to cross sex hormones. Sixteen year olds to vaginoplasties. Eighteen year olds to hysterectomies. And twenty year olds to phalloplasties. " And then to a life of pain, regret and suicide.

Great comment, Nancy.

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This one ought to be published in Time Magazine:

https://mercatornet.com/pronouns-game/77649/

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Thank you, nancy2001

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Right. And, we're all so afraid of the "b" word, in whatever form they use it.

As if we just comply with their vocabulary rules, they'll somehow see our side and consider our views.

What are the chances of that?

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If my refusal to use wrong sex pronouns marks me as a"bigot," I wear that badge proudly.

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It's not bigotry to not repeat Thomas's lie that he's really a women. Thomas isn't a woman, and can never be a women. That's fact.

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Please see https://mercatornet.com/pronouns-game/77649/

These pronouns do much more harm than good.

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Refusing to have other people's identity crises imposed on you doesn't make you a bigot.

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Personally my benchmark for when a "he" becomes a "she" is when "he" actually has the surgery. Not when he decides he's a she, or even when he takes hormone blockers or gets breast implants. Surgery is the cutoff point--pun intended. I have no problem calling trans people "he" or "she" once they no longer have the sex organs they were born with. I understand that a lot of people disagree on both sides. But that's the only point that I'm comfortable with "accepting" their chosen gender identity. I'm not sure they should still be competing athletically against biological females though.

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My personal benchmark for when a man becomes a woman is "never." All surgery and hormones do is indicate how desperate that person was to deny physical reality. I will not play along with their delusion.

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Right?

We can all probably agree, at that point, this person has "transitioned" and can fairly be called by her preferred pronouns, out of courtesy and appearance. Additionally, not to be crude, but this person is no longer able to take advantage of others in a sexual way. That is an issue, regardless of the naysayers.

Yet, you raise the real issue. Can this person fairly compete against other biological women, and the answer will always be "No" unless they develop a way to reverse the biological advantage. Honestly, that's a really frightening thought, but I'm sure the "science" will go there, and find some horrendous way to make it happen, all in the name of "_____".

Can you imagine? There is no limit to mans' desire to play God.

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So you're really afraid as well - too bad for that.

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Give amo? what are you talking about.

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War.

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Well said!

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The problem is the majority is not engaged. It is fearful and craven.

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I'm not so sure. The repercussions for not going along with the Orwellian reality is very real and has been happening for a long time. Consider how conservatives have been demonized as multiple level haters and Nazis, for years over positions that they do not have.

I wonder how this would have played out if the press was more critical, rather than being advocates of trans issues across the board. One cannot even have a discussion without being smeared. But, I suspect that most of these parents have been voting for the party that houses this kind of mentality for years. After all, they are Ivies.

Also, the most surprising aspect of this has been the absence of a coordinated push back by the feminist movement. Craven, indeed.

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We have no media any longer. They are cheerleaders for totalitarianism. Fortunately this has spawned new platforms for freedom of thought and speech such as Substack, Parler, GETTR, Rumble.

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It's not surprising at all that the feminists are nowhere on this.

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Feminists have been very active on this issue, particularly in the UK. Many have been visited by the actual police for tweets ( in one notable instance, a woman was charged with hate speech and thrown off twitter for tweeting " A woman is an adult female".

These feminists have been de-platformed, cancelled, had their careers derailed or ruined.

It's these feminists, many of them called Radical Feminists, who are called "TERFS"- which stand for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. The trans consider this a slur.

A note here- the term "radical" here doesn't mean revolutionary- it means that they believe traditional gender roles are really constrictive and want to do away with them. So you can see why they would naturally be against the trans movement. Their point is that gender roles are all made up anyway so why on earth would someone get surgery and take medicines to better conform to them.

There are a lot of feminists who have been working hard to protect all female spaces- like women's prisons and shelters.

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Thanks for your reply. I know about TERFs but these arguments are not making it into mainstream discussion. Pretty much every woman I know considers herself a feminist and they are all 100% on board with the trans agenda. I would love to see links if you have them.

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Please name just one prominent, knowable feminist who has said anything sendical about this in recent history...

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Feminists have been no where for decades now....

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So-called feminist groups are completely useless except when it comes to defending abortion on demand. It's all they care about. I concluded a long time ago that they don't care one whit about the best interests of girls and women. They exist to support a leftist agenda.

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Feminists have been working hard to counter the trans agenda for many years now.

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Coulda fooled me.

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100%.

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I don't know about 'craven', but 'fearful' yes

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Key word here: conditioning. We are being conditioned to believe that Lia has the right, as a woman, to compete. This literal unleveling of the playing field is destroying women's sports and in many cases, women's means of obtaining scholarships for higher education opportunities.

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Good luck conditioning people like me, and I’m nothing special

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One result is that you have Time Magazine coming out on the side of harming children:

https://pitt.substack.com/p/time-magazine-response-from-a-parent?utm_source=url

Also, your good comment about self-censorship reminded me of a quote I read on

https://mercatornet.com/pronouns-game/77649/

"“When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.

To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.”

— Theodore Dalrymple"

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'Lia' emphatically does not belong in a swimming pool competing against female athletes. It's obvious, clear, and well, biological. He is not a she, at least not athletically. Lia is basically male.

Voices against this twisted unfathomable dystopia are being cowed by the current left narrative because (in this case) parents of the other athletes are not acting in unison. There is strength in numbers. I'm not saying it will be easy. But if there were an effort, for example, by which parents would not send their kids to premier Ivy League schools and other athletic powerhouse universities because of the nonsense of allowing basically males to compete in women sports, thus denying these schools of a hundred grand a year per child (and multiply that by many, many children) - then maybe prestigious institutions will get the message.

So, how do we stop this? Deny them your children.

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For several years now the kids graduating from the school my kids go to have done just that. It’s an academically excellent private school. 100% college acceptance rate and a whopping 90% of the kids get into every single college/ university they apply to. For the last two years there have been dozens of acceptances offered, and zero kids choosing to go (though the trend of getting accepted to check the box and refusing to go picked up ore-Covid). Increasingly they are going places like Auburn and University of Miami and other southern schools. They are saying to the Ivys - Let them have the dumb activists kids, we’re gonna build a successful life and be leaders. The schools’ list of accomplished alumni rivals any boarding or New England private school.

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Yep, same here in Georgia…

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HI Lee. I like your thinking and I agree with it for the most part. I would remove the word "basically", as they are male, if confused :) It is OK if they are confused I suppose - if they do not upend society. Activists need to stop screaming "bigot".

The other issue is that this is not just an issue at Ivy League schools although it might have started there. It is everywhere. Check out https://genspect.org/local/

Also, the Common App to college admissions solicits pronouns now.

Here how this is terrible: https://mercatornet.com/pronouns-game/77649/

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Exactly. If we bow to a falsehood by repeating it as if it were true, we are culpable.

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“Most people aren’t saying ‘We hate trans people,’ because they’re not allowed to say that, but they’re disguising it by saying ‘We care about fairness,’’’said Bailar, “It’s an insidious form of propaganda.”

This is the crux of the issue. The only propaganda is from people who make assertions like this. When somebody actually does care about fairness, but is bullied with upside-down rhetoric like this, we have finally entered the world where we do not just say 2+2=5 but we actually believe it.

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I sometimes wonder whether for Bailar and Thomas it might largely be About getting the attention - about an unhealthy need for attention. They could each go quietly about their lives doing sports (on men's team as "Lia" in any bathing suit he likes or as open division) and not be in the national spotlight or the talk circuit (like Bailar), so maybe part of all this is an unhealthy need for attention?

More important is your insight: "we have finally entered the world where we do not just say 2+2=5 but we actually believe it" Yes. It reminded me of this quote:

"“When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.

To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.”

— Theodore Dalrymple"

which I came across in this piece:

https://mercatornet.com/pronouns-game/77649/

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Feb 22, 2022·edited Feb 22, 2022

In another words a form of 'mass insanity'...just remember that Democrats are promoting this next time you go to vote...

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No no no no no!! Most Democrats are not. The loud twitter fringe of the party is, to be sure, but not the majority of us.

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Feb 22, 2022·edited Feb 23, 2022

Please do name one Democrat in leadership who had called out this nonsense. In fact, many are vocally supportive - Schumer, Pelosi, Biden, Harris - they all have to sing in unison because if they don't toe-the-line, then they too will get called on it. They surely have not shown bravery or courage. Conversely, just about every Republican politician has let it be known how unacceptable 'woke' culture is and the damage that it is doing to society. Perhaps you are in the wrong party?

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One needs to distinguish democratic leadership and democratic voters. There is an increasing division between the rank and file democrats, and the politicians who feel a need to cater to the economic, educational and cultural elites. I agree that it's a loud twitter fringe, but that fringe has defacto power far beyond its numbers.

The main thing keeping voters in line is fear of the crazies on the other side, which the elites use media to inflame. It's not hard to find crazies on the other side to highlight - but what the elite media does is present them as "typical" of half the country, spreading even more fear and anger than would be justified.

I suspect something similar is happening on the other side - keeping ordinary Republicans in line by feeding them a constant diet of demonizing everyone left of center (beyond what is deserved). But I am more familiar with the blue tribe.

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Feb 22, 2022·edited Feb 22, 2022

What is that activist motto, again? "Silence is violence"?

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Cultural hijack

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Bigots are people that hate others because they are different. Isn’t that the definition?

W- 5’ 7” 145lb woman, born with a vagina and all the hormones is different than a M-5’ 11” 185 man, born with penis and testosterone.

We are different and we love our differences. People that want to be another must be in a their own group. We should have Trans sports. Nothing bigoted here but if trans really care about the world and others they can see that it is they that are at issue. It’s not fair - for men go play girls sports. And girls in testosterone therapy should not be allowed to compete in female or male Sports because they have drug enhancements.

Sorry. But that’s how most people think.

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No, a bigot is somebody who is intolerant of other opinions. Check a few dictionaries and look for the most fundamental and common sense of the word. Bigots can exist on any side, and do.

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And the denial of difference just flies in the face of reality. If males and females are substantially the same, why don't we see former female, trans men winning in football, baseball, swimming?

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Feb 23, 2022·edited Feb 23, 2022

I agree with you - with the exception that no one can be a "former female" :) I think we all lose when we start adopting the reality denying language.

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The focus of this article is who gets the ribbon or trophy. There is Nothing about NCAA core values of; well-being, fairness, integrity, and teamwork. It’s been determined that transgender people who participate in sports have better mental health. So what we’re talking about here is the emotional harm done to someone who didn’t win a trophy, compared to not letting transgender’s compete. This means placing a higher value on someone winning a medal than the psychological well-being of transgender’s; what kind of value system is that?

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Your argument is a red herring. Nobody is saying that "transgender people" should not be allowed to participate in sports. Sports are good for the mental health of all kinds of people, and that's a wonderful thing. But that's not the point here, and everybody, including you, knows exactly what we're actually talking about.

Lia Thomas, like all males who have gone through male puberty, has essential and permanent biological sex advantages over females in the area of athletic performance. This inequality eradicates the level playing field, which eliminates fair competition. In that case, the only person who will be feeling happy and fulfilled at the end of the day will be the cheater who used his unfair advantage to "win" races.

Don't you dare pretend that this is about winning a trophy.

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First, you say: "In that case, the only person who will be feeling happy and fulfilled at the end of the day will be the cheater who used his unfair advantage to "win" races." Then you say: Don't you dare pretend that this is about winning a trophy." My understanding is the only way you win a trophy is by winning the race! So it's all about winning!

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Nope. It’s all about competing. When you are able to compete fairly on a level playing field, and you lose fairly, knowing you have done your best, that is the joy of athletics. Women and men compete in different categories for a reason. I know you’d like this fact not to be true, because you don’t like it and you want to pretend that biological sex is irrelevant. It is, however, a fact of nature. Sorry, not sorry.

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There are those who love to "play the suicide card". I think that this confused group of people has a higher suicide rate generally because they have a mental health issue. We should be compassionate and they really ought to get out in the outdoors and do athletics. That is a completely different issue from men competing against women, isn't it? And, the entire world need not agree with them that they "are" the opposite sex. This seems to me to be an unhealthy level of attention seeking. Did the entire world need to hear about Wi-Lia-m Thomas? Maybe that is what he wants? He might have continued to swim on the men's team in a ladies swim suit and still asked his pals to call him whatever. There's been a discussion about open categories as well but I don't know a lot about that. Reality is pushing back. This is not about the world being full of "meanies". Thomas might be less selfish and think of the other swimmers, huh?

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Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!

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So, natal women athletes should give up records, wins, scholarships, sponsorships, and career opportunities -- ALL of which stem from winning sports competitions -- to biological males who want to take those things from them because otherwise, the biological males will kill themselves.

That sounds a lot like emotional blackmail, and something abusers say to their partners who want to break up with them ("If you leave me, I'll kill myself.")

Of course transgender people should be able to participate in sports. If the "win" isn't important for women, then it is equally unimportant for the transgender person, right? In which case, the transgender person could very easily compete in his or her biological class, or an "open" class.

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What kind of value system value systems dismisses the thousands of hours young women put into excelling at sports as being less important than coddling the feelings of delusional men?

Newsflash - the whole point of spending 20-39 hours in a pool for at least a decade to earn a chance at D 1 athletics is to win. You seem to think the effort is worth it to go cheer for boys from the pool deck.

You clearly aren’t an athlete so maybe you should stop convincing yourself you are morally superior. Your argument is definitionally misogynistic. It is NOT the obligation of girls and women to give up their opportunities and victories to coddle men. Period!

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And furthermore if a women identifying as a man can compete in the women’s competition then go around the pool deck too less, as happened at this meet (one of the top swimmers in the Ivy identifies as male and has had too surgery and swims for Harvard), then why can’t Los swim against like bodied males? He DID for 3 years at UPenn!!!!!

Your argument is a false dichotomy. Now one is stopping anyone from competing in sports. We are stopping males from competing against females, or calling them out for the cheaters they are.

Lia was ranked like 460th when swimming against the boys. If winning is so unimportant, and you don’t think Lia’s main motivation, why couldn’t Lia just accept the results he actually earned??????

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We have danced before, it would be an act of futility to converse with you again, and I try not to participate in futility!

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I do not dance with people like you, don’t flatter yourself. Your inability to defend nonsense is just that. You seem to love positions opposed to objective truth. That’s a loosing bet

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Indeed.

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Once again, you show you don’t exist in the same reality as the rest of the world. By your twisted logic, a 200 lb wrestler should be able to dominate a 160 lb wrestler if it makes the 200 lb wrestler feel better. After all. It’s "just" a trophy.

This is about real world impact to women (as in adult human female) in the form of schools, healthy competition and scholarships.

What a warped (or lacking) value system you have.

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My value system says: logic doubtless dictates that the necessities of the many far outweigh the needs of the one.

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So there is no limit to the number of people you would kill to in act your vision if it fulfilled you vision for the masses.

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Yes, indeed, many people who propagate this Substack do indeed love to insult!

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The problem with your thesis is that biology inconveniently gets in the way. If Lia retains her testosterone fed superiority, and at the age of 22, she (he) obviously has - how fair is that to her (his) competitors? Where is the integrity there? I agree that transgenders participating in sports could well have better mental health outcomes, so perhaps they should compete with other transgenders in their own category.

This isn't strictly about ribbons, it's about a level playing field.

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To you, it’s all about the chromosome pairing and who wins! You can choose to ignore the psychological health of transgender, with some sort of physical or moral rationale; I prefer what Spock says, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”

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So there are dozens of women in the pool with one trans person, so why is Lia the “many” and female athletes are “the few”in this equation? Why do Lia’s needs alone carry so much weight?

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Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!

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First, those stats are completely made up, from a bogus online study. Second, it is wildly unethical to speculate about a specific cause for suicide, so if any mental health professional is telling you “swimming as a female will prevent a suicide,” they shouldn’t be doing that. Lastly, and most importantly, if someone is suicidal, whether transgender or not, they should seek mental health support, Suicide is a complex issue, with many causes. To blithely suggest that participating in this activity will prevent a suicide or not getting to be on a team will cause a suicide is really irresponsible and not helpful. Furthermore, it is not the job of college students to be therapists for their fellow teammates, whether they are trans or not. Would you tell a girl she’d better not break up with her boyfriend because he might become suicidal? Or would you expect the boy to deal with his own issues and seek mental health support if he can’t deal with a breakup? Emotional blackmail has no place in this argument.

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"You can choose to ignore the psychological health of transgender, with some sort of physical or moral rationale;"

Yes. I can choose reality over fiction. I can choose truth over bigoted delusion. I can choose fairness over being rigged. I can choose living honestly over living a lie.

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Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!

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They can compete. A trans-woman can compete in male sports so your Bailey is a non-sequiitur.

If you don’t believe in science, reality, facts, biology or data. Simply say so.

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There is literally nothing preventing Thomas from competing in the men's category.

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There are other ways for men presenting as women to improve their mental health than by unfairly beating women out of trophies or whatever all their hard work and dedication has as its goal. You’re all over this board trying so hard to justify the unjustifiable.

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It all starts with allowing the activists to control the language. Even the author, who clearly knows better, is using, "she" and "her" to describe Lia (erstwhile Will) Thomas. Well, he's NOT a she, regardless of what he calls himself, any more than my calling myself an aardvark makes me one. He's a hormonally-manipulated man, and if you want independent confirmation, simply get a cheek swab and look at his DNA. Every nucleated cell in his body contains the same DNA; his "swimmer's body" was built according to that blueprint. His fast-twitch muscle fibers, ditto. His dense bones, his muscular power - all according to that DNA, and that athletic advantage doesn't go away with a few hormone shots.

When I see the activists vehemently asserting that men menstruate, that they can have babies, that "gender" is "assigned at birth" - and ordinary people capitulate so that they not be thought transphobic or bigoted or anti- something or other, I think to myself, "What will generations to come think of this time and place?" I don't know, but it won't be flattering.

It's OK to offend people; in fact it is critically important that one not give up the Constitutionally-guaranteed right to speak one's mind. Simply stand up and say the truth. It's really not that hard. When the aggressive crazies call you names or try to cancel you, the best response is to laugh at them, for there is no defense against ridicule - and they ARE ridiculous. I see that Canada just arrested one of the Freedom Convoy organizers for holding "unacceptable views." Think that can't happen here? Think again.

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You are so right. Hate speech has devolved into unacceptable views. Scary times. To be arrested because you are not participating in RIGHT THINK.

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There is no such thing as 'hate speech'.

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I'd a friend in law school many years ago, when this "hate crime" stuff started. He was livid. "THE most fundamental tenet of the Constitution is that people may be punished for their actions - only. Now these moral busybodies are changing sentencing because of what they THINK was in the person's mind. Mind-reading. They are now punishing thought crimes. This is a very bad slippery slope we are starting down." Over forty years ago, he called it.

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I’m livid too. No more being silent on this garbage. Push back is required.

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I felt the same way at the time.

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I agree. It amounts to judging a person guilty based on their thoughts and it is against Anglo Saxon law.

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The arrest-ors have a little problem in America that they do not in Canada: the potential arrest-ees are ornery, angry, and armed.

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And that is precisely why the globalist elites want to crush and destroy America. Because our penchant for liberty and individualism stand opposed to their collectivist, anti-liberty aims and goals.

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Say the truth. That's the whole crux of the matter right there. Just refuse to participate in a lie. Live NOT by lies. How can someone be more attached to a future that requires lie upon lie, instead of a future that allows freedom because of truth?

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Solsenitzen said the Soviet Union began to fall apart when people refused to participate in the lie. I know this can be difficult for many people because it means they can lose their jobs. It is the worst kind of coercion. If I had to support a family it would keep me in a continual state of stress to be forced to go along with the lies. I have just learned that Google monitors everything in your emails and your Internet history. Scary times.

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“Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

― Theodore Dalrymple

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I've read Dalrymple for nearly forty years now. Good stuff. Along those lines, another favorite, this time from Rod Dreher: "The pitter-patter of woke tears is no different from the stomping of Brownshirts' boots."

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I have recently discovered Dalrymple. Such a giant dose of common sense. I have read 3 of his books in the past two weeks. I’m also a big fan of Rod Dreher. Now I’m working my way through Anne Applebaum’s books. Just finished “Gulag “. Next up is “Twilight of Democracy” .

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I've read Dalrymple's columns for years. Due to Substack I have discovered Rod Dreher. He has a substack too but I currently have so many subscriptions I can't take on any more at this time.

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We just may make it.

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That is profound. How true.

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Good to meet another New Criterion reader. :) Thanks for the Dreher quote. True.

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Thank you - that's one of my favorite quotes! It really makes clear how cruel political correctness is. And also makes clear that cruelty is part of the point.

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Yes. The goal is to humiliate you and control you. Not to foster justice or whatever it is they disguise it with. Of course there are many kind people who get swept up in it unknowingly. We call them useful idiots.

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That is correct. You would enjoy Peter Boghossian's substack.

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Thanks for the recommendation! I've landed there from time to time but I'll check it out more thoroughly.

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One of my favs!

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Mine too. Sadly, it is ever applicable these days.

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Completely agree. I first encountered him and that quote recently in this piece regarding all this "use your pronouns" now dominating the culture.

https://mercatornet.com/pronouns-game/77649/

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Yes, Naomi, you're so right. But, we can not go along with the lies, even at the cost of losing job, friends, family, fortune and even life.

That is the price of freedom. Why do people think it's easy? Don't they realize what it has cost to build it?

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I agree with you but I am somewhat insulated by being retired. What if I had a family to support, no savings to fall back on and debt of various sources including student loans? I have to be honest and admit I would be intimidated into silence and unwilling and unenthusiastic compliance. Not everyone has the talent and wherewithal to be self supporting and free of outside coercion.

I have made a decision for myself not to lie but I understand the stress and pressures others live with.

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Oh, yes. I surely understand that stress, too.

It's a daily decision, isn't it, like deciding to be sober, living day by day. Today, I am not going to live the lie. The costs add up over time, but they are usually not dramatic each day. A friend lost today, a business refused to patronize yesterday, a restaurant I can no longer go into, etc.

Still, I'll add a caution. They will come for our finances, for our savings, bank accounts, investments, credit cards, real estate holdings, etc. We are not immune from them just because we're retired and somewhat well situated for the future.

They have given themselves that authority and no one financial entity is pushing back.

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You are correct. Biden initiated a similar emergency powers order a couple of days ago to what Trudeau did. If they don't like who you donate to and support they will freeze your account. No one is immune or insulated.

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ditch gmail for a secure source such as protonmail.

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I have protonmail but rarely use it. I should make it my default email.

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All my Internet browsing goes through a VPN, which projects my address as coming from elsewhere. Today I'm in the Midwest, probably tomorrow Canada, Maybe Thailand the next day. My email is through ProtonMail, an end-to-end encrypted server in Switzerland. ProtonMail is free.

By the way, the gub'ment - ever watchful of our welfare, is trying once again to pass a bill making end-to-end encryption unlawful - my son tells me to include the encryption of hard drives, &c. &c. They just can't stand not being able to put their hands down your pants whenever and wherever they want. And, of course, the Republicans, being equal-opportunity rights abusers, are right in there, too. (It's to protect the children, you know....)

https://reason.com/2022/02/16/earn-it-bill-abuses-privacy-in-the-guise-of-protecting-kids/

re: Google. Several months ago, my son was sitting at his computer and we were discussing the purchase of some consumer good or other. He has one of those Amazon things that you can talk to sitting on his desk. As I turned to leave, he called me back. There on the screen was an advertisement for the very thing we were discussing. Trust none of these players. None. There is probably a big business opportunity in modern privacy.

edit: addendum. I just subscribed to Reason online. Fifteen bucks a year. Can't beat it. This parallel economy is really taking off, and the Lamestream Press need not apply. We Just May Make it.

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My iPhone does that frequently. It is too often to be a coincidence. They are listening to me and also monitoring my texts. I use a VPN too.

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That's why I try to use the Firefox browser for most things rather than Chrome. I use Yahoo rather than Gmail for most of my emails. Although those things are probably not much safer.

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I've used Brave browser for a year now. This from my sign-on screen this morning:

1,655,948 Trackers & ads blocked

30.83GB Bandwidth saved

23hours Time saved

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I use DuckDuckGo for my browser, and Yahoo.

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I have been viewing this situation in the same straight forward manner. Arguing with the truth is simply a waste of time and it will never get one anywhere good. Regardless of gender ideology lingo, surgical procedures, and injected synthetic hormones it will never be fair for bodies created at conception by either XX or XY chromosomes to complete against each other. How long will it take for these trans athletes and the activists that surround them tire of this shameful charade? I believe that they definitely know, in their hearts, that this is morally wrong and this is not legitimate fair athletic competition.

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Certainly the majority of sane people know this is not legitimate but somehow it goes on. A small unhinged minority is driving all this and getting away with it.

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Cheryl, yes, exactly. We know how to do this.

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"When you play along with an evil game, what happens to you?

“When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity.

To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.”

— Theodore Dalrymple"

From: https://mercatornet.com/pronouns-game/77649/

Then what happens is children are harmed: https://pitt.substack.com/p/time-magazine-response-from-a-parent?utm_source=url

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This article is an example of where I think it is appropriate to use a made-up gender pronoun. It is confusing when standard pronouns are applied to transgender people because by doing so, it implies that the person is fully accepted by everyone as the gender they have chosen, rather than the one they were born into. I understand using their chosen pronoun in order to be polite when you are talking directly with a transgender person, but when it is an article, podcast, etc., intended for public consumption, a neutral pronoun should be used. Otherwise, it is catering to the ideology and ignoring the biology.

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One can always use a name and not a pronoun.

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I suggest adopting the term AGAP as an acronym for "appropriate gender pronoun". This avoids using the "wrong" pronoun and includes those who are gender fluid.

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There is already a gender neutral pronoun. Lots of errors would be avoided if it was used.

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Using "they" for singular averts blame when it belongs to a single person and reduces praise when one person does a praiseworthy deed

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Sometimes, when the singular “they” is invoked in news articles featuring a person, some other people, and some groups of people, it can make for a confusing narrative.

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What sort of errors?

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as BasicB mentioned...

The aversion to the single gender neutral English pronoun is quite amazing. It is an effective word.

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@Jim, i agree wholeheartedly.

When I opened my feed this morning to this article, I immediately thought, "This is deliberate. This is posted to raise my stress/anger levels, to build audience thru conflict, and it's the shiny object they flash before us to distract us from reality."

I have no doubt the author believes these issues, and they are actually issues that affect some people. Still, I am not going to participate in their madness. Why is it an issue? Because no one will say what is obvious.

In the meantime, freedom is being captured by authoritarian and totalitarian governments. And, we should worry about a silly man in a pool.

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In principle I agree with you. It's a distraction but it is also something more. It is a lie and a sign of our times. We are bombarded with one lie after another. Men are not women no matter how many hormones they take and what they have lopped off their body. Women are not men no matter how much testosterone they take and if they have their breasts lopped off their chests. Children don't have the maturity to make decisions on their sexuality and to believe otherwise is to participate in the worst form of child abuse. In too many places parents are kept from the knowledge their children are being encouraged to go through psychological and medical sex change processes. This is a great evil Do we have to suspend common sense and wait 20 years for these now adults to come forward publicly and share the horror and nightmare of their lives? We know it is coming. Why are we allowing this to happen? Is it to gratify some sick adults and pedophiles?

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"Why are we allowing this to happen? Is it to gratify some sick adults and pedophiles?" Yes, it is to gratify spiritually dead virtue seekers.

It's not that I don't care, because I do. It's that it is not even on the front burner as an issue, and so many people are fiddling while our freedom burns. Bread and circuses, maybe? I don't know.

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So, my view of a discussion of college sports v. basic freedoms might be similar to yours. Maybe universities should not even have such competitive sports & recruitment. Maybe kids should just go to college and take up a sport if it is fun for them. It's good for everyone to do athletics and who needs to hear about it? (Although a male in girls sports is very unfair and gross in the locker room.)

But, it is my hope that this unfairness is sports issue gets more people to open their eyes and become concerned about how the Gender Cult has come to dominate education, medicine and law. I am not even sure where to start, but here is something: https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/the-gender-cult-marches-on?utm_source=url

The freedom to parent our own children has been undermined big time. If our children have just become creatures of the State, how can there be any freedom?

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How did collegiate athletics ever become the billion dollar industry it currently is?

You may be right, though, that this issue will bring the absurdity to awareness of more people. My fear is that that same virtue narcissism you describe also runs throughout our society and this issue may have more support than it should. It could strengthen, even in the face of its absurdity.

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That is a frightening thought. As a mother I must hope. Our daughter is physically just fine (thank God) and may be recovering from the psychological abuse that is Gender Ideology promoted at school, but I will push back on the side of reality until my last breath :) Tween/teen girls and young women are very easily influenced socially. I think they are the canaries in the coal mine for the health of society. Think of the future generations.

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The Leftists are attacking all our foundations and we are forced to look in so many different directions and places that it becomes hard to fight back. They divide us and conquer. They never give up either. Their goal is the destruction of our culture and our civilization.

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We are literally letting the narcissistic mentally ill run our society:

https://pitt.substack.com/p/time-magazine-response-from-a-parent?utm_source=url

The education system thinks they are executing on "kindness and understanding", medicine does not stand up to GI as too many therapists and doctors only see the $$, big pharma makes big bucks off lifetime patients, and the laws have been changed without much, if any, public discussion. I do not remember voting on an initiative to agree that Gender means anything other than sex which is binary. I also do not recall any major scientific discovery on this issue but it is everywhere now in law: https://genspect.org/local/

If the "Equality Act" passes "Sex" will have no legal meaning. Only "Gender" will.

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I don't know either. I wish I was a deeper thinker.

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You are just fine as you are. Sometimes deeper thought can lead you down deeper holes. The fact that you care enough to comment is more than enough for me to take your thoughts seriously.

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Thank you. You are too kind.

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It might seem to be a silly issue but it is the thin edge of the wedge. Eventually something you care about or someone you care about will be treated very badly in the interests of political correctness and then you will care a lot. It could be gender related, perhaps it will be race or maybe something else, who knows. As a society we need to quickly decide where the line is because soon enough it will have washed away and we be left with a vast pool of nothingness. Sure as hell that people who pass as leaders these days won't do a thing.

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Very well said.

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It's not just a silly man in a pool, though. It is a symptom of something much much larger. Fail to push back on the small things and you will invariably fall victim to the big things.

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I can understand your point of view. Until the Gender Ideology Cult captures someone you love, it all - including "the pronouns" sounds very silly. And, it is. At the same time, it is very harmful. Think NXIVM only promoted by all of society - as far as the kids can see. That is the impact on the tween and teen girls now that "Gender Identity" is promoted at school K-12. It undermines parents, common sense, and health.

Big pharma is making big bucks selling cross sex hormones to teens - handed out like candy. And, girls are getting "chest affirming" surgeries (double mastectomies) often paid for by insurance. The laws say parents don't need to know. Universities will even do it. Try viewing the Abigail Shrier and PITT (Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans) substacks. The assault on society is both large scale and small (family and child level).

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Yes, I follow AS, and I don't dispute the harm this cult is creating. Laura Dodsworth (https://lauradodsworth.substack.com)also has photographic work on her website of de-transitioners (entitled Salamanders) that is heart wrenching.

So many battles, dear LovingMother. How many can I fight, actually fight and do something about instead of merely posture or argue or sympathize, me personally, this old man whose greatest fear is when the authoritarians (maybe totalitarians, as they also seem to want to control even my mind) come for me, my family, my bank accounts, etc? And, what of the massive spiritual death that subsumes our society and threatens to erase our connections to God and steal the Light of the World?

From my first principles, those are the battle lines, and that is the breach, and that's where I need to stand. This issue is sad, and saddens me.

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Good post. I think that one way in which society is under assault is with language. If we roll over and accept all the Newspeak we will not even be able to discuss the absence of freedoms or the theft of property. The State is working to own the minds of the children. And, we get confused people making decisions in Health, radicals in charge of finance...

https://mercatornet.com/pronouns-game/77649/

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It is immoral to refuse to offend people like these.

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The focus of this article is who gets the ribbon or trophy. There is Nothing about NCAA core values of; well-being, fairness, integrity, and teamwork. It’s been determined that transgender people who participate in sports have better mental health. So what we’re talking about here is the emotional harm done to someone who didn’t win a trophy, compared to not letting transgender’s compete. This means placing a higher value on someone winning a medal than the psychological well-being of transgender’s; what kind of value system is that?

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Then why not have an open category for competition? it preserves the integrity of the women's and men's competitions whilst providing an opportunity to participate.

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Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!

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I admire your persistence in continuing to beat a dead horse. You've now reached the “Let's throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks" phase of your argument. Transgender mental health is an important issue, and deserves to be taken seriously. The best way to do that is for transgender people to have access to good mental health services so they can figure out why they're suicidal. However, your suggestion that women should shoulder the burden of trans mental health by sacrificing their athletic aspirations for social work in order to prevent trans-identified men from killing themselves, is one of the most narcissistic and misogynistic things I've ever heard.

While we're beating a dead horse, this quote from your latest post, "Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events..." is a big fat lie. All sorts of reasons? No. Just one, regarding one specific group of transgender people. Trans-identified MALES have a biological advantage which makes their participation unfair to women. It's not trans-identified males who is victimized here, it's women. But you already know this. And FWIW, Lia Thomas is free to compete against men if he would like to do so.

By the way, nobody is saying a peep regarding trans-identified women competing against men. NO ONE CARES. Why’s that? Oh yeah, that pesky biological sex thing.

Transgender people could be taking control of their own mental and physical health by organizing their own sports teams and programs, open to all people of whatever gender identity. There could be orgs and teams depending on specific sports and gender identifications, as well as ones based on a great, big, queer free-for-all. College trans athletes could spearhead this effort at their universities. It could evolve into something wonderful. It would certainly result in improvement in self-esteem, as well as better physical and mental health. And it would solve a huge public relations problem for the trans community, because it would operate from the reality-based position that trans-identified men aren’t women, and they need to stay the hell out of the women’s lane. But it would require ditching the pity-party victim mentality and the expectation that the world owes them a medal.

I've said all I have to say on this topic. I'm done with you. Have a nice day.

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I, yes, the potent mix of hate, anger, and resentment, it must smell so sweet to you!

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You are trolling. That’s pretty obvious.

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That is a pretty silly response / straw man argument . The open category provides an opportunity to participate for anyone whilst respecting the integrity of men's and women's competitions. the alternative is to remove all restrictions on banned performance enhancing drugs in order to even up the playing field in a literal race to the bottom. A transgender woman (regardless of how they feel about themselves) is not physically a woman, in fact the differences have serious potential to be fatal in a contact sport like rugby. Enough with the madness, there are a variety of differences between the sexes, physical, mental and many other, the differences should be embraced and celebrated. The movement of bland sameness asks us to all be fake and pretend that we are real. I believe in compassion for all, I believe that you should not judge another person unless you walk in their shoes, I also believe that boys and girls and men and women deserve their own unique competitions and spaces.

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Why, or why, do people do this? You said I used the straw man argument. A straw man argument is a misrepresentation of an opinion or viewpoint; I did no such thing. I’ve stated my reasoning and opinion; note the word (my). You proceed to give a laundry list of rationale that we could go on for an eternity debating and get nowhere rapidly. I’ve stated my case; you can either reject it or disassemble it, going through a laundry list of rationales would be an act of futility that I care not to participate in!

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On the contrary, your argument is a classic straw man. In response to the relevant issue - that it is unfair for trans women to compete with women you play the "but what about the suicide"card. It is a straw man argument because it has nothing to do with the issues of unfairness (not to mention misogyny) associated with trans women competing in women's competitions. You reject the option of open competitions as unsuitable because your argument is a straw man. You have no interest in the suicide rate of trans people at all, you simply use it as a device to lever your desire to socially engineer a dystopian future where women are not allowed champions of their own and we are all subjected to a bland sameness.

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It's a value system that values truth. That's what it is.

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Here’s are the facts, on one side of the scale, transgender’s as a group have almost three times the attempted suicide rate than the average population does. Transgender’s mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Therefore it’s is not unreasonable to surmise that allowing transgender people to participate in sports could save a life. On the other side of the scale, you have ten or more times a year when someone is denied a first or second place in a sporting event. Folks are giving all sorts of reasons to deny transgender participation in sporting events, but, It boils down to this; if you’re comfortable with the possibility of not saving a transgender life or, to put it another way, it doesn’t bother you if a transgender person commits suicide, just, say so!

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What a ridiculous and shameful argument.

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Rather than refute my reasoning, Missy, you simply complain about it! Why is it ridiculous and shameful?

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Your argument is that this one guy MIGHT commit suicide so because it MIGHT make him feel better about himself, he should be able to lie and rob the women of their chance at a medal. And the women who worked hard for this for their whole lives should just suck it up. That is ridiculous and shameful.

What other things do you argue that Thomas should be able to do because he MIGHT commit suicide and doing it will make him feel better? Plagiarize? Steal? IT MIGHT SAVE A LIFE!!! Is that how it goes now? Suicide blackmail?

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Using the transgender suicide rates as justification for everything and even defying biological reality is intellectually lazy and emotional blackmail. It's the same tactic used by gender therapists to force the hands of parents when their kid is dealing with gender dysphoria when we don't have long-term studies showing causal evidence to connect reduction in suicide rates to affirmative social therapy, let alone affirmative surgery. Indeed, the evidence is pointing more in the other direction. When someone is at the risk of suicide, many other things are happening that are way more important than whether the person is allowed to compete in a sport. Access to mental health care is the key.

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Question Is gender-affirming care for transgender and nonbinary (TNB) youths associated with changes in depression, anxiety, and suicidality?

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Gender-affirming care can take different forms: social and parental gender affirmation, gender-affirming cross-sex hormones, and gender-affirming surgery, among others. The evidence you are presenting above is relevant to the discussion on whether gender affirming care in the form of puberty blockers (PBs) and gender-affirming hormones (GAHs) is associated with changes in depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation among transgender and non-binary youths (13-20 years old) over a very short period (3, 6, and 12 months). Allowing biological males to compete in female sports is related to social gender affirmation, not to medical gender-affirming care, so your evidence is irrelevant to the discussion.

The study you cited has nothing to do with your initial claim that transgender mental health is improved when they participate in sports. Trying to make the connection using that study is either intellectual laziness or intellectual dishonesty. Hopefully is the former because it's fixable by critically comparing your claim to the objective of the study you are using to back up your opinion.

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