"The New York Times...failed to mention Israeli forces withdrew from Gaza in 2005; that Palestinians elected Hamas to rule them; that Israelis routinely give Gazans notice before attacking to minimize loss of civilian life; and that one reason (maybe the reason) so many Palestinian children have died during Israeli air…
"The New York Times...failed to mention Israeli forces withdrew from Gaza in 2005; that Palestinians elected Hamas to rule them; that Israelis routinely give Gazans notice before attacking to minimize loss of civilian life; and that one reason (maybe the reason) so many Palestinian children have died during Israeli air strikes is Hamas uses them as human shields—the better to generate sympathetic news coverage."
Israel does give warnings before destroying buildings for the most part. In that regards, they are obviously better than many regimes. I think the issue with Gaza is that 1. There is no open economy with the rest of the world - so economic growth is limited and 2. You can't leave, even if you want to (or almost impossible). In other words - an open air prison. If you are a young Palestinian man that rejects Hamas - you are not allowed to even leave Gaza and build a new life if you want to because of Israel and Egypt blockades.
On the contrary, many Gazans are allowed cross the border daily to work in Israel. The blockades exist for only one reason: to try to prevent Hamas from getting more material to turn into weapons to use against Israel.
The main problem a young Palestinian man who rejects Hamas has is that other Muslim countries will not allow him to immigrate there.
I believe something like 15 thousand Gazans are allowed to cross into Israel to work - which is a good gesture. It's a tiny number for the number of young adults in Gaza though. And yes - other Muslim countries won't let Gazans permanently immigrate to them - but Israel does limit movement as well. The only exit for Gazans into Egypt was destroyed today by Israeli air-strikes today. There is no escape for people in Gaza. Hamas controls them from the inside - Israel and Egypt from the outside.
This is an essential point that I don't think people are understanding. Not all Germans supported Hitler and his Nazi government, but once war started, all Germans were the enemy until it was over.
True - but Germany was an actual sovereign state. Gaza is still under Israeli control in many aspects - and is not an independent nation. It's more like a Native Reserve - and the US attacking the Navajo nation because of extremists attacking white Americans (while unthinkable in the modern era - actions of this sort did happen a little over a century ago).
If a modern tribal government staged such an attack as this, and the members of that tribe refused to give up the criminal terrorists to law enforcement, I would expect a very bloody outcome. If tribal members were using their women and children as shields to protect the terrorists, I think those people would be rightfully despised. But the U.S. government would not allow that to prevent them from doing whatever was necessary to end the threat.
But here's a big difference to consider: I cannot think of a single indigenous tribe in the U.S. that would use women and children as human shields. Most human beings on this planet consider that the most despicable of all behavior.
Israel has repeatedly instructed Gazans to leave areas they planned to bomb to eliminate Hamas weapons stores. If what I've read today is correct, they have explicitly offered a path to safety for women and children. The choice is now up to the Gazans. If they refuse to surrender the members of Hamas, they are complicit in Hamas's actions, not innocent civilians. If they refuse to allow women and children to flee to safety, that blood is on their hands.
The Gazan people ELECTED Hamas as their government. Most Gazans still support the actions of Hamas. They willingly allow themselves to be used as human shields. They believe, just as firmly as the active members of Hamas, that Israel must be destroyed.
Israel would not find it necessary to put limitations on the movement of Gazans if the Gazans themselves did not continually demonstrate that they are an existential threat to all Israelis. Egypt won't let Gazans into their country because they are considered a dangerous and destabilizing group BY THEIR FELLOW MUSLIMS IN EGYPT.
This is not dissimilar to the whole Defund the Police issue. Leftists only see that a black man got shot by cops. They don't care what crime the man was committing. They don't care that the victims of the man's crimes were mostly black. And when the police stay out of black neighborhoods and black-on-black crime rises, THEN they complain that cops don't care enough to protect black people.
They did elect Hamas. Much like the US people elected Trump and Biden a mere 4 years apart. Guarantee neither election made the whole country Trumpists in 2016 or Bidenists in 2020.
But if Trump or Biden ordered an act of war to be committed against another nation, and our Congress agreed with it, that nation would rightfully consider all Americans the enemy.
Invaluable context.
"The New York Times...failed to mention Israeli forces withdrew from Gaza in 2005; that Palestinians elected Hamas to rule them; that Israelis routinely give Gazans notice before attacking to minimize loss of civilian life; and that one reason (maybe the reason) so many Palestinian children have died during Israeli air strikes is Hamas uses them as human shields—the better to generate sympathetic news coverage."
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Israel does give warnings before destroying buildings for the most part. In that regards, they are obviously better than many regimes. I think the issue with Gaza is that 1. There is no open economy with the rest of the world - so economic growth is limited and 2. You can't leave, even if you want to (or almost impossible). In other words - an open air prison. If you are a young Palestinian man that rejects Hamas - you are not allowed to even leave Gaza and build a new life if you want to because of Israel and Egypt blockades.
There are Gazan's who work in Israel and cross over every day to do so.
On the contrary, many Gazans are allowed cross the border daily to work in Israel. The blockades exist for only one reason: to try to prevent Hamas from getting more material to turn into weapons to use against Israel.
The main problem a young Palestinian man who rejects Hamas has is that other Muslim countries will not allow him to immigrate there.
You mispeled "kill him."
I believe something like 15 thousand Gazans are allowed to cross into Israel to work - which is a good gesture. It's a tiny number for the number of young adults in Gaza though. And yes - other Muslim countries won't let Gazans permanently immigrate to them - but Israel does limit movement as well. The only exit for Gazans into Egypt was destroyed today by Israeli air-strikes today. There is no escape for people in Gaza. Hamas controls them from the inside - Israel and Egypt from the outside.
you et what you vote for. then you get what those leaders do
This is an essential point that I don't think people are understanding. Not all Germans supported Hitler and his Nazi government, but once war started, all Germans were the enemy until it was over.
True - but Germany was an actual sovereign state. Gaza is still under Israeli control in many aspects - and is not an independent nation. It's more like a Native Reserve - and the US attacking the Navajo nation because of extremists attacking white Americans (while unthinkable in the modern era - actions of this sort did happen a little over a century ago).
If a modern tribal government staged such an attack as this, and the members of that tribe refused to give up the criminal terrorists to law enforcement, I would expect a very bloody outcome. If tribal members were using their women and children as shields to protect the terrorists, I think those people would be rightfully despised. But the U.S. government would not allow that to prevent them from doing whatever was necessary to end the threat.
But here's a big difference to consider: I cannot think of a single indigenous tribe in the U.S. that would use women and children as human shields. Most human beings on this planet consider that the most despicable of all behavior.
Israel has repeatedly instructed Gazans to leave areas they planned to bomb to eliminate Hamas weapons stores. If what I've read today is correct, they have explicitly offered a path to safety for women and children. The choice is now up to the Gazans. If they refuse to surrender the members of Hamas, they are complicit in Hamas's actions, not innocent civilians. If they refuse to allow women and children to flee to safety, that blood is on their hands.
The Gazan people ELECTED Hamas as their government. Most Gazans still support the actions of Hamas. They willingly allow themselves to be used as human shields. They believe, just as firmly as the active members of Hamas, that Israel must be destroyed.
Israel would not find it necessary to put limitations on the movement of Gazans if the Gazans themselves did not continually demonstrate that they are an existential threat to all Israelis. Egypt won't let Gazans into their country because they are considered a dangerous and destabilizing group BY THEIR FELLOW MUSLIMS IN EGYPT.
This is not dissimilar to the whole Defund the Police issue. Leftists only see that a black man got shot by cops. They don't care what crime the man was committing. They don't care that the victims of the man's crimes were mostly black. And when the police stay out of black neighborhoods and black-on-black crime rises, THEN they complain that cops don't care enough to protect black people.
They did elect Hamas. Much like the US people elected Trump and Biden a mere 4 years apart. Guarantee neither election made the whole country Trumpists in 2016 or Bidenists in 2020.
But if Trump or Biden ordered an act of war to be committed against another nation, and our Congress agreed with it, that nation would rightfully consider all Americans the enemy.
So much for "All the news that's fit to print"
For years it's been, "All the news that fits, we print."
Fit to print according to the ideologies and political strategies of Democrat leadership and their international allies.
"All the news you are allowed to think."
We've always been at war with Oceania.