As Nikki Haley said “Finish them”…. Hamas should accept “unconditional surrender “ and war crimes trials … Hamas can extend the war and bring more death to their people…. Japan made this mistake in WW2. Japan doesn’t threaten anyone anymore … make Gaza like Japan
As Nikki Haley said “Finish them”…. Hamas should accept “unconditional surrender “ and war crimes trials … Hamas can extend the war and bring more death to their people…. Japan made this mistake in WW2. Japan doesn’t threaten anyone anymore … make Gaza like Japan
Nikki Haley’s comments yesterday were ridiculous, and remove her from any consideration as a Presidential hopefully IMO. We need thoughtful, cautious, strong leaders. Not immature comments projecting fake strength from behind a camera. I’m sick of the neocon bullshit! She and Lindsay Graham can disappear from public life forever as far as I’m concerned. We are 30T+ in debt, fighting a proxy war in Europe that is going nowhere, and now we want to enter ANOTHER conflict in the Middle East with a huge, well armed country? Maybe we start with immediately ceasing all monies going to Gaza, all monies going to Iran, reinstate the policies to hamper Iran’s economic ability to play offense? Basically, do exactly the opposite of what Biden’s administration has done over the last few years. That would be a start, and needs to be announced yesterday! Where is our leadership???
Unlike Russia/Ukraine, the US has a vital interest in this greater conflict, Iran cannot be allowed to get nukes. That is a real world concrete issue. Appeasing the Iranians is such a blunder by the Biden Administration.
Your leadership, President Donald Trump, was “defeated” in the last Presidential election with the help of the liberals, leftists, and Democrats who believe this is Israel’s fault.
If it weren't so close to Israel are you saying they don't richly deserve it? Or are you just another fool who thinks that Japanese atrocities didn't make them richly deserving of their fate?
I’m a fool who thinks that indiscriminate murder of civilian populations is immoral, yes. Stop and think about what you’re saying.
Everyone who planned and carried out Saturday’s attack should pay with their lives AND making Gaza a parking lot is not the appropriate response. Both of those things can be true.
I agree that mass destruction will solve nothing. Those who engaged in this weekend’s slaughter are little more than mindless cretins, willing to do the whatever bidding their ghoulish puppet masters demand. Unfortunately, there seems to be a never-ending supply of them. Perhaps it would be more effective to identify the puppet masters and their financiers, eliminate them first, whoever they are and wherever they may be, by whatever means necessary.
"Unfortunately, there seems to be a never-ending supply of them."
Which is because a brutalized and dispossessed people will inevitably fester with hatred. There are two solutions: exterminate them, or give them justice.
Good idea. Hamas are opportunists -- they take a legitimate grievance and use it to their own evil ends. I hate them in roughly the same way I hate Trump.
“I hate them in roughly the same way I hate Trump”
Really? I call bullshit. Hamas and their savage intent were neutered when Trump was president. For that you should at least give Trump kudos. The fact that you don’t shows whose side you’re on.
Trump and Hamas are comparable in that both leverage legitimate grievances for their personal advantage. They are both hucksters. Other than that, they aren't very comparable. And Trump did have his moments of foreign policy clarity, I freely admit.
Timothy, but it will solve Everything! Must eradicate this evil in the world. If you leave any remaining, you will see this evil continue to grow. Cut it out, stem and root.
Sorta like 'the only good Indian is a dead Indian'? Or the way that Hitler thought that there are no good Jews? Or the way the BLM people say that all white people are guilty of Supremacy even if they don't know it?
Nice try, if incredibly simplistic. All of those are judgements based on the almighty *identity*. People don't *choose* to be white, indian or (bloodline)Jewish (which was Hitler's metric.) So yes, every single one of your examples is abhorant, evil and inhuman.
However, it is absolutely a *choice* to parachute into a music festival, spray the crowd with gunfire, beat, rape, murder anyone you see, behead grandmothers and live stream their murder over their own facebook page. Drag the raped body of a young civilian woman through the streets, blood gushing from between her legs.
It's a *choice* to celebrate those subhuman animals, and it's also a *choice* to justify or minimize any of the horror that Hamas *chose* to inflict (and still does by holding those people hostage that they have not yet massacred.
So no, Ray - not even *sorta* like any of the evil filth you mentioned - although all the Hamas apologists are *very* similar (like the nice leftist Australians at the Syndey Opera House chanting "gas the Jews" while waving smoke machines.)
"However, it is absolutely a *choice* to parachute into a music festival, spray the crowd with gunfire"
I quite agree, however the number of Palestinians doing that is very small. We have a spectrum from outright Jihadis to committed pacifists. When you say there is no such thing as a good Palestinian I'd say you are over generalizing. My sympathy with the legitimate desire of the Palestinians not to be occupied and dispossessed does not diminish my abhorrence of Hamas, I assure you. They are ... well, no need to add to your description. Nevertheless one can point out that the injustices done to the Palestinians are the vector that drives all this or at least drives most of it. Or at least can be used as a smokescreen-justification. What would all these people do if they didn't have that legitimate grievance?
Oh, and yes, the various demonstrations that you see just show how far we've fallen. Smoke machines. Really? Well I'm not surprised.
If you celebrate depravity you are no less depraved. If you support rape, murder and atrocities you are complicit. Civilians who do so are not "innocent." Am I advocating the murder of women and children? No. But just as the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a million innocent allied soldiers - as well as Japanese civilians outside those cities - Gaza as a nest of murderous insects cannot be allowed to continue as it was as a haven for terrorists. Gazans have a choice - reject the depravity of Hamas or suffer the consequences of being used as their shields.
What a sickeningly naive statement. No, opinions you don’t like are NOT equivalent to the inhuman atrocities of this weekend. Rhetoric like yours brought us here.
Not insects. Human beings. Human beings are capable of evil.
About 40 percent of those living in Gaza are 0-14 years old. How do you suggest they reject the depravity of Hamas? How are they responsible for being used as human shields?
You're half right. Anyone so depraved that they get satisfaction out of raping and killing a mother in front of her children is not an insect, they are beneath even unthinking bugs. Your beliefs are dangerous to the rest of us.
No! This is the danger of dehumanization-it doesn’t take an insect to do this-it takes a human being. Evil is part of the potential of human nature and it’s something we have to actively resist. We have to call it what it is. Are ethics scary? Is the struggle for a just response dangerous? We are responsible for how we respond.
We agree that insects act mindlessly so these savages do not even rise to the level of insects. Or are you playing the Pelosi game of defending depravity by calling them all "God's children?" You can't have it both ways. So do you join me in saying that the demonstrations - even in our own country - in favor of the butchers are unacceptable and that any politician who joins with them needs to be expelled from office?
You assume those Gazan children are just like American kids, silly, on TikTok, doing drugs, unaware. Those Gazan children, particularly teenagers, are as hateful as the adults. They have been inculcated since birth with Jew hatred. Many take up arms.
Maybe the 0-2 year olds can be saved, but the others, they are the shock troops of the future.
Good god, I know what kind of propaganda Palestinian kids are subjected to since birth. I also know that 5 year olds in the territories fire guns off into the air to celebrate the suffering of their enemies. There’s a death cult that is morally bankrupt and the children are victims. Back to the point-how is indiscriminate killing an ethical response? It isn’t. Sorry.
The Israelis do not kill "indiscriminately" Jolene. They actually warn citizens of their enemies when they are about to strike, giving them time to flee to a safer location. There is no equivalent consideration from Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other terrorist group. There is no moral equivalence here.
Bombs in heavily populated areas kill indiscriminately. I know they warn. But the warnings are useless when there’s nowhere else to go, so in that respect it’s not much of a warning at all—more like a promise. However, some bombing may be necessary to eliminate terrorist infrastructure. And it could be ugly but reasonable in the context of a response. In no comment and in no universe have I said that there is moral equivalence between acts of terror and the Israeli response. However, we are supposed to be a light unto the nations. Israel is capable of being moral, of weighing choices, even when the only choices are ghastly. And I’ll reiterate: turning Gaza into a parking lot is not an appropriate response.
As Nikki Haley said “Finish them”…. Hamas should accept “unconditional surrender “ and war crimes trials … Hamas can extend the war and bring more death to their people…. Japan made this mistake in WW2. Japan doesn’t threaten anyone anymore … make Gaza like Japan
Nikki Haley’s comments yesterday were ridiculous, and remove her from any consideration as a Presidential hopefully IMO. We need thoughtful, cautious, strong leaders. Not immature comments projecting fake strength from behind a camera. I’m sick of the neocon bullshit! She and Lindsay Graham can disappear from public life forever as far as I’m concerned. We are 30T+ in debt, fighting a proxy war in Europe that is going nowhere, and now we want to enter ANOTHER conflict in the Middle East with a huge, well armed country? Maybe we start with immediately ceasing all monies going to Gaza, all monies going to Iran, reinstate the policies to hamper Iran’s economic ability to play offense? Basically, do exactly the opposite of what Biden’s administration has done over the last few years. That would be a start, and needs to be announced yesterday! Where is our leadership???
Unlike Russia/Ukraine, the US has a vital interest in this greater conflict, Iran cannot be allowed to get nukes. That is a real world concrete issue. Appeasing the Iranians is such a blunder by the Biden Administration.
not a blunder at all - part of the 'Biden' plan
Your leadership, President Donald Trump, was “defeated” in the last Presidential election with the help of the liberals, leftists, and Democrats who believe this is Israel’s fault.
Nuke Gaza? Twice? Is that what you’re saying?
Pacify ….no one spoke of using a nuclear weapon … the Japanese refused to surrender… they were pacified …
If it weren't so close to Israel are you saying they don't richly deserve it? Or are you just another fool who thinks that Japanese atrocities didn't make them richly deserving of their fate?
I’m a fool who thinks that indiscriminate murder of civilian populations is immoral, yes. Stop and think about what you’re saying.
Everyone who planned and carried out Saturday’s attack should pay with their lives AND making Gaza a parking lot is not the appropriate response. Both of those things can be true.
I agree that mass destruction will solve nothing. Those who engaged in this weekend’s slaughter are little more than mindless cretins, willing to do the whatever bidding their ghoulish puppet masters demand. Unfortunately, there seems to be a never-ending supply of them. Perhaps it would be more effective to identify the puppet masters and their financiers, eliminate them first, whoever they are and wherever they may be, by whatever means necessary.
"Unfortunately, there seems to be a never-ending supply of them."
Which is because a brutalized and dispossessed people will inevitably fester with hatred. There are two solutions: exterminate them, or give them justice.
“give them justice.””
I’m all for that, I’d start with mounting severed Hamas heads on poles and posting the images on social media
Good idea. Hamas are opportunists -- they take a legitimate grievance and use it to their own evil ends. I hate them in roughly the same way I hate Trump.
“I hate them in roughly the same way I hate Trump”
Really? I call bullshit. Hamas and their savage intent were neutered when Trump was president. For that you should at least give Trump kudos. The fact that you don’t shows whose side you’re on.
Trump and Hamas are comparable in that both leverage legitimate grievances for their personal advantage. They are both hucksters. Other than that, they aren't very comparable. And Trump did have his moments of foreign policy clarity, I freely admit.
Of course I have no idea what’s being floated in the war room huddles, but I do think it’s possible to have a muscular response while using a scalpel.
Timothy, but it will solve Everything! Must eradicate this evil in the world. If you leave any remaining, you will see this evil continue to grow. Cut it out, stem and root.
the people of Gaza hate Hamas because they are USED by their own leaders
Really? Then why did they voted them in as their government??
there's a question but they did and THEN were kicked to the curb
does it make sense to you yet?
Impossible to separate. There are no “good” Palestinians.
Sorta like 'the only good Indian is a dead Indian'? Or the way that Hitler thought that there are no good Jews? Or the way the BLM people say that all white people are guilty of Supremacy even if they don't know it?
Nice try, if incredibly simplistic. All of those are judgements based on the almighty *identity*. People don't *choose* to be white, indian or (bloodline)Jewish (which was Hitler's metric.) So yes, every single one of your examples is abhorant, evil and inhuman.
However, it is absolutely a *choice* to parachute into a music festival, spray the crowd with gunfire, beat, rape, murder anyone you see, behead grandmothers and live stream their murder over their own facebook page. Drag the raped body of a young civilian woman through the streets, blood gushing from between her legs.
It's a *choice* to celebrate those subhuman animals, and it's also a *choice* to justify or minimize any of the horror that Hamas *chose* to inflict (and still does by holding those people hostage that they have not yet massacred.
So no, Ray - not even *sorta* like any of the evil filth you mentioned - although all the Hamas apologists are *very* similar (like the nice leftist Australians at the Syndey Opera House chanting "gas the Jews" while waving smoke machines.)
"However, it is absolutely a *choice* to parachute into a music festival, spray the crowd with gunfire"
I quite agree, however the number of Palestinians doing that is very small. We have a spectrum from outright Jihadis to committed pacifists. When you say there is no such thing as a good Palestinian I'd say you are over generalizing. My sympathy with the legitimate desire of the Palestinians not to be occupied and dispossessed does not diminish my abhorrence of Hamas, I assure you. They are ... well, no need to add to your description. Nevertheless one can point out that the injustices done to the Palestinians are the vector that drives all this or at least drives most of it. Or at least can be used as a smokescreen-justification. What would all these people do if they didn't have that legitimate grievance?
Oh, and yes, the various demonstrations that you see just show how far we've fallen. Smoke machines. Really? Well I'm not surprised.
I feel sorry for you.
Save your sickening arrogance for someone who buys the self-gratifying garbage. You support subhumans, you’re subhuman. Grow up.
I still feel sorry for you.
I appreciate your effort to see this massacre in context. It will only get you into trouble here, tho.
You don’t have the capacity for true empathy. Your “pity” is just arrogance, thinly cloaked in a sickening condescension. Save it for yourself.
That's a tad harsh. Jolene's concern for civilian deaths is what separates us from them.
If you celebrate depravity you are no less depraved. If you support rape, murder and atrocities you are complicit. Civilians who do so are not "innocent." Am I advocating the murder of women and children? No. But just as the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved a million innocent allied soldiers - as well as Japanese civilians outside those cities - Gaza as a nest of murderous insects cannot be allowed to continue as it was as a haven for terrorists. Gazans have a choice - reject the depravity of Hamas or suffer the consequences of being used as their shields.
You are no different than Hamas.
What a sickeningly naive statement. No, opinions you don’t like are NOT equivalent to the inhuman atrocities of this weekend. Rhetoric like yours brought us here.
Thanks. GSAT is just another coward hiding behind a screen of anonymity.
If you are so brave - go and fight Hamas or other Islamists yourself. Your projection of cowardice is frankly very sad.
That’s the best you can do???
Not insects. Human beings. Human beings are capable of evil.
About 40 percent of those living in Gaza are 0-14 years old. How do you suggest they reject the depravity of Hamas? How are they responsible for being used as human shields?
You're half right. Anyone so depraved that they get satisfaction out of raping and killing a mother in front of her children is not an insect, they are beneath even unthinking bugs. Your beliefs are dangerous to the rest of us.
No! This is the danger of dehumanization-it doesn’t take an insect to do this-it takes a human being. Evil is part of the potential of human nature and it’s something we have to actively resist. We have to call it what it is. Are ethics scary? Is the struggle for a just response dangerous? We are responsible for how we respond.
We agree that insects act mindlessly so these savages do not even rise to the level of insects. Or are you playing the Pelosi game of defending depravity by calling them all "God's children?" You can't have it both ways. So do you join me in saying that the demonstrations - even in our own country - in favor of the butchers are unacceptable and that any politician who joins with them needs to be expelled from office?
You assume those Gazan children are just like American kids, silly, on TikTok, doing drugs, unaware. Those Gazan children, particularly teenagers, are as hateful as the adults. They have been inculcated since birth with Jew hatred. Many take up arms.
Maybe the 0-2 year olds can be saved, but the others, they are the shock troops of the future.
You cannot ascribe American values to barbarians.
Good god, I know what kind of propaganda Palestinian kids are subjected to since birth. I also know that 5 year olds in the territories fire guns off into the air to celebrate the suffering of their enemies. There’s a death cult that is morally bankrupt and the children are victims. Back to the point-how is indiscriminate killing an ethical response? It isn’t. Sorry.
The Israelis do not kill "indiscriminately" Jolene. They actually warn citizens of their enemies when they are about to strike, giving them time to flee to a safer location. There is no equivalent consideration from Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other terrorist group. There is no moral equivalence here.
Bombs in heavily populated areas kill indiscriminately. I know they warn. But the warnings are useless when there’s nowhere else to go, so in that respect it’s not much of a warning at all—more like a promise. However, some bombing may be necessary to eliminate terrorist infrastructure. And it could be ugly but reasonable in the context of a response. In no comment and in no universe have I said that there is moral equivalence between acts of terror and the Israeli response. However, we are supposed to be a light unto the nations. Israel is capable of being moral, of weighing choices, even when the only choices are ghastly. And I’ll reiterate: turning Gaza into a parking lot is not an appropriate response.
Nobody is calling for indiscriminate killing. But the parents who inculcate these children are just as guilty as the terrorists. Maybe even worse.