Regarding the comments on Trump and the election of 2020, I think Bari and Douglas are a bit off base. Those of us who regard the outcome of 2020 with suspicion do not want to overturn an election, we believe the election may have been fraudulent. We might be wrong, but we most assuredly do not want to overturn an election. Trump's wo…
Regarding the comments on Trump and the election of 2020, I think Bari and Douglas are a bit off base. Those of us who regard the outcome of 2020 with suspicion do not want to overturn an election, we believe the election may have been fraudulent. We might be wrong, but we most assuredly do not want to overturn an election. Trump's words do not rise to the level of criminal incitement. He did say "peacefully and patriotically". Trump wanted Mike Pence to invoke a parliamentary procedure. I fail to see how any parliamentary action can be illegal in the absence of a corrupt motive (bribery, etc.). Routinely, we view these procedures that elect the president as mere formalities, but when push comes to shove, these formalities have meaning.
I won't list here the many reasons why I view the election with suspicion except to note that the motives of the politicians who changed voting procedures do not, in my mind, enjoy the benefit of doubt. Also, the concept of mail-in voting season completely abandons the age-old tradition of the secret ballot. The purpose of secret ballot is not to spare the voters embarrassment, it is to safeguard the ballot from intimidation, manipulation and bribery.
Trump has led the way in exposing and opposing the utter corruption of our institutions. In the aftermath of his leadership on this, there may be other politicians who do not suffer from Trump's ample deficiencies, who can continue this work. But I am one of the pitiable creatures (to refer to Douglas' comments) who believes that only Trump could have begun this work and withstood the astonishing backlash.
Nat, thank you so much for your thoughtful comment. There was so much obvious manipulation of the entire election process. I am always impressed by Democrat social scientist Robert Epstein's work showing the power of the tech giants to influence millions of votes through news feeds to unsuspecting voters, Zuck's $400M+ to influence votes, the obvious loss of integrity through mail-in ballots, and elections which never ended until the Democrat won, etc. If one is not suspicious of such things by people/orgs with unsurpassed power, one is hiding their head in the sand. And the 60 or so lost election cases do not deter my suspicion because we now see how vulnerable even supreme court justices are from woke violent mobs. I do not think this started with the Roe v. Wade decision.
When one considers the colossal power of the woke mob in America, many will overlook Trump's personality in order to have a chance at regaining our freedoms. I personally hope DeSantis is the candidate, but Trump is acceptable if need be. I will never vote in the mob.
I do wish former libs like Bari, and even sometimes Douglas Murray would quit saying that the right also disrespects the West. There may be some but it is a negligible factor. The woke mob owns the "The War Against the West."
I always ask myself this - "If Democrats were craven enough to concoct the Russian collusion fairy tale that had America chasing its tail for four years, do you really think they'd be above trying to rig an election?" Did they? There's enough of an aroma to dig deeper, for sure. And now we're stuck with the senile imbecile they installed and the carnage he's created. But what if - just if - America were presented with air tight proof that the Dems stole the 2020 election? What would we do? What would you do?
I rage in silence Bruce at the moment my anxiety levels are high my family are worried and we all witnessed 1/6 and now these committee hearing Liz Cheney is nauseating and on it goes no end in sight
Don’t rage in silence. Get weapons training. Practice martial arts. Read the stoics. And American history. Never back down. You have a lot of friends who share your love of America.
This is the best reply so far thank you Nat and I think only President Trump can finish it any other leader will be grazed by the establishment the woke culture the msm the giant corporations we can see how things have worked out since the 2020 elections it’s been a disaster Bari is not exactly a Trump fan and Douglas I have watched on American Thought Leaders he wasn’t exactly anti Trump either it was an excellent podcast with Jan at Epoch Times
Regarding the comments on Trump and the election of 2020, I think Bari and Douglas are a bit off base. Those of us who regard the outcome of 2020 with suspicion do not want to overturn an election, we believe the election may have been fraudulent. We might be wrong, but we most assuredly do not want to overturn an election. Trump's words do not rise to the level of criminal incitement. He did say "peacefully and patriotically". Trump wanted Mike Pence to invoke a parliamentary procedure. I fail to see how any parliamentary action can be illegal in the absence of a corrupt motive (bribery, etc.). Routinely, we view these procedures that elect the president as mere formalities, but when push comes to shove, these formalities have meaning.
I won't list here the many reasons why I view the election with suspicion except to note that the motives of the politicians who changed voting procedures do not, in my mind, enjoy the benefit of doubt. Also, the concept of mail-in voting season completely abandons the age-old tradition of the secret ballot. The purpose of secret ballot is not to spare the voters embarrassment, it is to safeguard the ballot from intimidation, manipulation and bribery.
Trump has led the way in exposing and opposing the utter corruption of our institutions. In the aftermath of his leadership on this, there may be other politicians who do not suffer from Trump's ample deficiencies, who can continue this work. But I am one of the pitiable creatures (to refer to Douglas' comments) who believes that only Trump could have begun this work and withstood the astonishing backlash.
Nat, thank you so much for your thoughtful comment. There was so much obvious manipulation of the entire election process. I am always impressed by Democrat social scientist Robert Epstein's work showing the power of the tech giants to influence millions of votes through news feeds to unsuspecting voters, Zuck's $400M+ to influence votes, the obvious loss of integrity through mail-in ballots, and elections which never ended until the Democrat won, etc. If one is not suspicious of such things by people/orgs with unsurpassed power, one is hiding their head in the sand. And the 60 or so lost election cases do not deter my suspicion because we now see how vulnerable even supreme court justices are from woke violent mobs. I do not think this started with the Roe v. Wade decision.
When one considers the colossal power of the woke mob in America, many will overlook Trump's personality in order to have a chance at regaining our freedoms. I personally hope DeSantis is the candidate, but Trump is acceptable if need be. I will never vote in the mob.
I do wish former libs like Bari, and even sometimes Douglas Murray would quit saying that the right also disrespects the West. There may be some but it is a negligible factor. The woke mob owns the "The War Against the West."
I always ask myself this - "If Democrats were craven enough to concoct the Russian collusion fairy tale that had America chasing its tail for four years, do you really think they'd be above trying to rig an election?" Did they? There's enough of an aroma to dig deeper, for sure. And now we're stuck with the senile imbecile they installed and the carnage he's created. But what if - just if - America were presented with air tight proof that the Dems stole the 2020 election? What would we do? What would you do?
I rage in silence Bruce at the moment my anxiety levels are high my family are worried and we all witnessed 1/6 and now these committee hearing Liz Cheney is nauseating and on it goes no end in sight
Don’t rage in silence. Get weapons training. Practice martial arts. Read the stoics. And American history. Never back down. You have a lot of friends who share your love of America.
This is the best reply so far thank you Nat and I think only President Trump can finish it any other leader will be grazed by the establishment the woke culture the msm the giant corporations we can see how things have worked out since the 2020 elections it’s been a disaster Bari is not exactly a Trump fan and Douglas I have watched on American Thought Leaders he wasn’t exactly anti Trump either it was an excellent podcast with Jan at Epoch Times