A conversation with Douglas Murray
Douglas is certainly one of the best voices out there on so many important topics. Clear minded and precise, his insight is of immeasurable value. Thank you for sharing!
A wonderful writer indeed. Please let us have a transcript of your conversation for those of us who would rather read than listen. Thanks.
Love his “I refuse to stand by and take this anymore” attitude.
Channeling Douglas Murray
I can't stress enough how much this conversation resonated with me. I am grateful I got to listen to it and that there are brave and bright minds working to protect the values that made western civilization great.
I do have to say that I wish we could get some of this content in Spanish. Or get great Hispanic (particularly Latin American) intellectuals together with English-speaking intellectuals. I am originally from Venezuela and I saw my country torn down by the chavista iliberal revolution. Latin America has been under constant seige from the left over the past 3 decades. And as I try to become a US resident I can see so many things in the US society (specially academia, which is where I am) that are the same as the ones hugo chavez seeded in our country to tear us apart. I know that cautionary tales are not as effective as one would like, but I am sure we have a lot of things to learn from each other that can lead us to better strategies to protect this important cuase.
And I agree with Douglas 100%, the US is the battle ground where this cultural revolution matters. I am grateful that people like him and Bari decided to step up and put both their financial and moral capital in the front lines of a battle for our freedom. I already lost one country and, even though am not a full resident yet, I will do my best to protect the one I am now trying to call home.
Murray is always ahead of the curve. Madness of Crowds predicted the gender and race wars would escalate. "The strange death of Europe" documents how an elite media class prevented and censored discussion and sensible policies on immigration, and how self loathing westerners sabotage all canons and institutions, including Judeo-Christian religion. We didn't simply arrive at our current zeitgeist by accident or suddenly. It has been a long time coming.
Douglas Murray is by far one of the most important people to listen to right now. I know if he read this, he would snort out a giggle, in what is the British self-deprecating way. If he does read this, I very much want him to know that I am not alone in thanking him for always lending his eloquent voice to the sane majority.
Regarding the comments on Trump and the election of 2020, I think Bari and Douglas are a bit off base. Those of us who regard the outcome of 2020 with suspicion do not want to overturn an election, we believe the election may have been fraudulent. We might be wrong, but we most assuredly do not want to overturn an election. Trump's words do not rise to the level of criminal incitement. He did say "peacefully and patriotically". Trump wanted Mike Pence to invoke a parliamentary procedure. I fail to see how any parliamentary action can be illegal in the absence of a corrupt motive (bribery, etc.). Routinely, we view these procedures that elect the president as mere formalities, but when push comes to shove, these formalities have meaning.
I won't list here the many reasons why I view the election with suspicion except to note that the motives of the politicians who changed voting procedures do not, in my mind, enjoy the benefit of doubt. Also, the concept of mail-in voting season completely abandons the age-old tradition of the secret ballot. The purpose of secret ballot is not to spare the voters embarrassment, it is to safeguard the ballot from intimidation, manipulation and bribery.
Trump has led the way in exposing and opposing the utter corruption of our institutions. In the aftermath of his leadership on this, there may be other politicians who do not suffer from Trump's ample deficiencies, who can continue this work. But I am one of the pitiable creatures (to refer to Douglas' comments) who believes that only Trump could have begun this work and withstood the astonishing backlash.
These two people are such a gift to the world. What a delight to listen to thoughtful, stimulating conversation. Keep up the amazing work, Bari. You are highly valued.
All good with one exception. All nations everywhere are involved in this current reign of tyranny. Our Revolutionary ancestors saw clearly we face the greatest threat of tyranny from within. They were correct. But they may not have foreseen a situation like today where future generations would be so weakened the entire planet would be subsumed under the grip of a coordinated tyranny like no other. Revolutions are always from within and without but this is ridiculous in the extreme.
I have been saying for a number of years (white hair) that the baby boomers (me) are the worst thing to ever happen to America. Of course I'm wrong. The subsequent generations under our elite educators have taken this disinformation and geometrically escalated the BULLSHIT. They know nothing.- why should they when they can look it up on their phones. Knowing nothing makes it difficult to discern what is important and what is true. These are people who can be easily led- easily moved to violence against the "other". Also, Douglas goes pretty easy on the British. I seem to recall a genocide (not easily thrown around by me) perpetrated in the most callous starvation of the Irish not 100 years prior to the glories of battling Hitler. Kinda gotta own that bud.
In the 1990’s students chanted hey hey ho ho western civ has got to go. By the 2020’s speech rights , assembly rights and due process were dramatically curtailed by these same types.
The brilliant Douglas Murray. I cannot get enough of his wisdom. Thank you Bari for this wonderful conversation. I will share it with as many as I can.
Protection of individual rights... seeing the individual as divine... that was the great epiphany of the West that propelled it to fantastic success... that attracted the collectivists only to loot what they could never have derived themselves.
The focus on the individual over the collective is a tremendously flawed principle that happens to be the best principle by far compared to the alternative... because this principle best matches basic human behavior to pursue individual growth. That driving force of individual pursuit can result in chaos, so the controlling personalities are motivated to reduce individual freedoms to prevent chaos. However, controlling collectivist systems are sub-optimized from the perspective of basic human behavior and needs... and thus begin to fail. The collectivists in charge have to resort to more draconian measures to keep control.. including eventual threats of violence and death to those that don't comply.
Collectivists look at China and think that collectivism can work. However, China looted from the West to grow itself to a superpower. The West educated China's leaders and engineers. It handed over trade, industry and scientific developments that China with its creativity-stifling system could have never developed itself.
The West has shown the world the model for humanity; but the malcontents in the West are committed to nihilistic efforts to destroy what works and replace it with what has proven disastrous throughout history.
When the ideological frameworks that guide all things woke began trickling into so many aspects of our culture Douglass Murray was one of the first writers that helped guide me out to a clear mental place. After trudging my way through the works of Ibram Kendi, Robin DiAngelo, etc. I absolutely could not contort my brain into buying into what I see as a huge load of manipulative garbage that is helpful to nobody other that those profiting off of the nonsense. Murray helped lead me to the work of so many other compassionate and truly ethical intellectuals like Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, Heather MacDonald and many more. I believe that they all write and speak from a place of truth and compassion and have nothing but genuine concern for the overall well being of our culture and how that plays out in our lives. They really are committed to just speaking the truth. As far as I can tell, they just refuse to back down from that and they continue to inspire me to do the same.
A great discussion for sure. Those of us who understand that America has given us much more than we could ever give back have awakened. For years we trusted our institutions to at least do some of what is best for the country. That is no more. You can already see 'woke' going to shyte. We are winning local elections and are going to push the communist/oligarchal forces out wherever we can.
Be careful discussing Trump and the 2020 election. These same forces said nary a word about democrats literally burning downtown D.C. and Madonna 'blowing up the White House', etc in 2016. Nobody said anything about the 2016 electoral vote 'questions' and nobody said a word for four years while Hillary and the press(but I repeat myself) said 2016 was stolen.
It is absolutely clear that 2020 was irregular at best in six swing states that had unguarded drop boxes for mail-in votes that decided the election. Remember, Molly Ball at Time.com told us so. The point is to recognize this so our institutions do not do it again.
His book is simultaneously a compendium of the numerous and continuous insults against western culture, and a thoughtful counter to those who would adopt those positions. Frankly, the sheer magnitude of those assaults is depressing, especially so because the criticisms of the west come from those who have lives most enriched by it.