It is important to remember and push back with this:
Equity, when pursued as a social goal, is the greatest evil in the last 100 years. Somewhere around 100 million humans have been sacrificed on the "alter of equity" in the past century by the very governments sworn to protect them. From Pol Pot's stated desire to create a more "equitabl…
It is important to remember and push back with this:
Equity, when pursued as a social goal, is the greatest evil in the last 100 years. Somewhere around 100 million humans have been sacrificed on the "alter of equity" in the past century by the very governments sworn to protect them. From Pol Pot's stated desire to create a more "equitable" society that left 1/4 of the entire population of Cambodia sacrificed to Chairman Mao's desire to create a more "politically correct and equitable" society that resulted in 10's of million dead we know how evil social equity is.
We need to call it out every time someone tries to push it. Call out the 10's of million slaughtered. Call out the rivers of blood that could fill the Amazon River. Call out Stalin's sanctioning of 100's of thousands to millions of Cossacks rounded up and beat while being shipped to Gulags in the name of land equity. Call out how policies like this resulted in the starvation of millions.
The idea of forced "equity" while sounding utopian and nice, has always resulted in human suffering, pain and death.
And how will destroying Title IX and the standardized tests that allow bright but disadvantaged kids to access opportunities solve these problems? How will the millennia of historical sexism that women have suffered under be improved by letting men rape us as long as the rapists are wearing dresses? How will bright but poor Black kids' lives be improved by removing the means for them to prove that they are more capable than a racist society would have them believe?
If you claim to give a shit for any of that, you'd care enough to do things that actually WORK, not this antagonistic worthless bullshit.
It took women literal lives to get things like domestic violence shelters and Title IX. Now, people like you who pretend to care are backing their destruction. Tell me again how much you care.
History is simply a record of events which happened and it something which, under no amount of force, can ever be changed. All we can do is to make sure it does not repeat or, as Mark Twain said, rhyme.
Have horrible things happened to groups of people in the past? Absolutely. I know of no person to claims otherwise. There is, most likely, not a person alive that does not have an ancestor that was a slave at some point in the past.
Did slavery exist in the United States from 1776 to 1863? Yes. It also existed in Asia, Africa, the Caribbean, the American Indians (even before 1492) and for most of the previous 10,000 years of human history. This includes chattel slavery. Slavery is a stain, not only on the past of the US but the entire history of humanity. And yes, it is still legal in parts of Africa.
Were the laws in the US after the end of slavery until the 1960's/1970's that held back specific groups. Yes, but I think the vast majority of people (except those that allow ideas to own them instead of the other way around) will admit from generation to generation laws, rights and responsibilities have been offered to more and more people. The founding concepts of the US were solid if imperfectly recognized at the start. This is a continuing process.
Again, no-one debates those issues from 2 generations and farther back. We still have issues but I doubt you have a good grasp on what they really are.
I am talking about the blinding evil "equity" has shown to be in the past 100 years.
Anywhere from 70 to 170 million people have been put on equities alter and sacrificed. Their blood would fill a river. Their bones could build mountains.
We know social equity is evil beyond recognition and we have people blindingly, and openly, pushing it.
For most of history, race did not enter into slavery (even though tribal and ethnicity affiliations did) simply because technology didn't allow it. Blacks enslaved blacks, Europeans enslaved Europeans, native American Indians enslaved native American Indians and Asians enslaved Asians.
Once ship based travel, even though dangerous, became possible race started to enter into things. This was as true in Arab countries as it was in the Americas and Asia. Million's of white/European slaves were held in Arab countries with most of the men castrated and women not allowed to have children. Black African's held white Americans for slaves as well as other black Africans. In the America's, while most slaves were black, white "indentured servants" (over 60% of which died before fulfilling their contract) were auctioned off alongside their black counterpart slaves.
The exploitation of one people over another is as old as recorded history and we need to remember it was the ideas offered by Western philosophies, fueled by Christian beliefs, that led to ever expanding freedoms for all people. Asians, whites, blacks and men and women alike.
I say this as someone sitting between agnostic and atheist. I truly believe without Christianity, slavery would still be a wildly held institution. Far too many people focus on the faults of western ideologies and Christianity which does not allow a person to look at history with an objective mind; ideas can take 100's or 1000's of years to percolate into a social awareness. Many people never ask: what would the world be like with no scientific method, no Magna Carta, no Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution?
These documents lay the foundation (even if not fully recognized) of elevating each person to be equal before the law and state. This follows from (IMO) the idea we are all equal before God as indicated by Galatians:
"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
So yes, Western thought is heavily influenced by Christianity but I do not believe this is a bad thing. There is lots of wisdom (and problems) to be found in the words of those which preceded us.
What are you proposing, "Just me"? Slavery is as global phenomenon and continues to this day in many countries, including ours. Today it's called human trafficking. Where's the outrage that it continues to this day? Crickets from the hand-wringing self-righteous class. The U.S. was <5% of the slave population that existed in the New World, and a tiny fraction of the global slave trade. It was terrible and it was and is a stain on all of us worldwide. Only in the U.S. do these discussions occur. So again, given the context that it is global and ongoing, exacting what is your suggestion?
You're a real CARD, FRIEND. If You were to reread what I've written You... Well, YOU might not see. Probably wouldn't. But others can probably see my emotions coming out (not). You're a pimple on a gnat's arse, chump.
Of COURSE, I dunno what Just me has to say about it.
But TYPICAL reaction is to feel such GUILT that NOBODY can say the least bit of ANYTHING against ANYTHING a Black person says or wants. Amongst those that fight the culture wars, any way. Frankly, majority opinion hasn't mounted up much so far.
Just saw yesterday that there are some white people LAMENTING that they aren't Black. Really FEELING that way.
I'd feel outrage if they weren't so pathetically WARPED by today's U.S.
Naw. That You're so OBTUSE that You don't even KNOW the reference is plainly OBVIOUS. Oh! That's RIGHT. Your generation so SENSITIVE they can't even BEAR to watch an intense film like that.
jt - the Soviets considered them, and they argued this with a straight face, "rich peasants" who had hoarded wealth and more importantly food (crops and livestock). The Soviets took everything they had in a program of forced starvation. I can't recall the number killed but in many it foreshadowed the Shoah. The scapegoating of a people and their extermination.
It is important to remember and push back with this:
Equity, when pursued as a social goal, is the greatest evil in the last 100 years. Somewhere around 100 million humans have been sacrificed on the "alter of equity" in the past century by the very governments sworn to protect them. From Pol Pot's stated desire to create a more "equitable" society that left 1/4 of the entire population of Cambodia sacrificed to Chairman Mao's desire to create a more "politically correct and equitable" society that resulted in 10's of million dead we know how evil social equity is.
We need to call it out every time someone tries to push it. Call out the 10's of million slaughtered. Call out the rivers of blood that could fill the Amazon River. Call out Stalin's sanctioning of 100's of thousands to millions of Cossacks rounded up and beat while being shipped to Gulags in the name of land equity. Call out how policies like this resulted in the starvation of millions.
The idea of forced "equity" while sounding utopian and nice, has always resulted in human suffering, pain and death.
Kulaks not Cossacks and they were first starved, then beaten and the few who survived were shipped off to the Gulags.
What about the over 200 years of forced inequality that resulted in human suffering, pain, and death in the United States?
And how will destroying Title IX and the standardized tests that allow bright but disadvantaged kids to access opportunities solve these problems? How will the millennia of historical sexism that women have suffered under be improved by letting men rape us as long as the rapists are wearing dresses? How will bright but poor Black kids' lives be improved by removing the means for them to prove that they are more capable than a racist society would have them believe?
If you claim to give a shit for any of that, you'd care enough to do things that actually WORK, not this antagonistic worthless bullshit.
It took women literal lives to get things like domestic violence shelters and Title IX. Now, people like you who pretend to care are backing their destruction. Tell me again how much you care.
A little harsh, DarkWhite, but I don't disagree at all.
Going after the "whataboutism". Won't work.
History is simply a record of events which happened and it something which, under no amount of force, can ever be changed. All we can do is to make sure it does not repeat or, as Mark Twain said, rhyme.
Have horrible things happened to groups of people in the past? Absolutely. I know of no person to claims otherwise. There is, most likely, not a person alive that does not have an ancestor that was a slave at some point in the past.
Did slavery exist in the United States from 1776 to 1863? Yes. It also existed in Asia, Africa, the Caribbean, the American Indians (even before 1492) and for most of the previous 10,000 years of human history. This includes chattel slavery. Slavery is a stain, not only on the past of the US but the entire history of humanity. And yes, it is still legal in parts of Africa.
Were the laws in the US after the end of slavery until the 1960's/1970's that held back specific groups. Yes, but I think the vast majority of people (except those that allow ideas to own them instead of the other way around) will admit from generation to generation laws, rights and responsibilities have been offered to more and more people. The founding concepts of the US were solid if imperfectly recognized at the start. This is a continuing process.
Again, no-one debates those issues from 2 generations and farther back. We still have issues but I doubt you have a good grasp on what they really are.
I am talking about the blinding evil "equity" has shown to be in the past 100 years.
Anywhere from 70 to 170 million people have been put on equities alter and sacrificed. Their blood would fill a river. Their bones could build mountains.
We know social equity is evil beyond recognition and we have people blindingly, and openly, pushing it.
It was BLACK people in Africa who were selling other black people to slavery. Not white men.
For most of history, race did not enter into slavery (even though tribal and ethnicity affiliations did) simply because technology didn't allow it. Blacks enslaved blacks, Europeans enslaved Europeans, native American Indians enslaved native American Indians and Asians enslaved Asians.
Once ship based travel, even though dangerous, became possible race started to enter into things. This was as true in Arab countries as it was in the Americas and Asia. Million's of white/European slaves were held in Arab countries with most of the men castrated and women not allowed to have children. Black African's held white Americans for slaves as well as other black Africans. In the America's, while most slaves were black, white "indentured servants" (over 60% of which died before fulfilling their contract) were auctioned off alongside their black counterpart slaves.
The exploitation of one people over another is as old as recorded history and we need to remember it was the ideas offered by Western philosophies, fueled by Christian beliefs, that led to ever expanding freedoms for all people. Asians, whites, blacks and men and women alike.
I say this as someone sitting between agnostic and atheist. I truly believe without Christianity, slavery would still be a wildly held institution. Far too many people focus on the faults of western ideologies and Christianity which does not allow a person to look at history with an objective mind; ideas can take 100's or 1000's of years to percolate into a social awareness. Many people never ask: what would the world be like with no scientific method, no Magna Carta, no Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution?
These documents lay the foundation (even if not fully recognized) of elevating each person to be equal before the law and state. This follows from (IMO) the idea we are all equal before God as indicated by Galatians:
"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
So yes, Western thought is heavily influenced by Christianity but I do not believe this is a bad thing. There is lots of wisdom (and problems) to be found in the words of those which preceded us.
Yah!
Lor' Ha MERCY, CHILE... !
Who is arguing that slavery was a good thing? Your question is silly. Does anyone not acknowledge that slavery was an ugly sin?
Why are you upset about me juxtaposing forced equality to forced inequality?
I don't think anyone's upset here but You, FRIEND. I think most people are laughing. Probably WITH You as much as AT You.
I looked at your comments overall and found them wanting in terms of maturity! I'm not sure if they come up the level of junior high!
Haha! Funny thing about people that only have a BIG mouth to support them.
Your posts are the fluff of a mild breeze, FRIEND.
What are you proposing, "Just me"? Slavery is as global phenomenon and continues to this day in many countries, including ours. Today it's called human trafficking. Where's the outrage that it continues to this day? Crickets from the hand-wringing self-righteous class. The U.S. was <5% of the slave population that existed in the New World, and a tiny fraction of the global slave trade. It was terrible and it was and is a stain on all of us worldwide. Only in the U.S. do these discussions occur. So again, given the context that it is global and ongoing, exacting what is your suggestion?
So much read into a straightforward juxtaposition! But I do find it interesting the use of whataboutism to rationalize slavery.
Point me in the direction of this slavery You "speak" of, FRIEND.
Try to pinpoint the location of it, IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY, and post it here forthwith, if You please.
it can't , don't waste the bandwidth or your energy
You seem to be a very sensitive fellow; when the word slavery is used, it would appear you need to be desensitized!
You're a real CARD, FRIEND. If You were to reread what I've written You... Well, YOU might not see. Probably wouldn't. But others can probably see my emotions coming out (not). You're a pimple on a gnat's arse, chump.
Of COURSE, I dunno what Just me has to say about it.
But TYPICAL reaction is to feel such GUILT that NOBODY can say the least bit of ANYTHING against ANYTHING a Black person says or wants. Amongst those that fight the culture wars, any way. Frankly, majority opinion hasn't mounted up much so far.
Just saw yesterday that there are some white people LAMENTING that they aren't Black. Really FEELING that way.
I'd feel outrage if they weren't so pathetically WARPED by today's U.S.
I could be mistaken, but I think your racist petticoat is showing!
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,h_1616,w_2400,x_0,y_132/v1591824036/shape/mentalfloss/625404-iisc_equalityequity_300ppi.jpg?itok=mdurY8vk
Well, funny that. I saw "To Kill a Mockingbird" when I was about five. It IMPACTED me HEAVILY.
How old were You then, FRIEND?
My, my, you always want to venture off into some tangent. Do you have a hard time focusing?
Naw. That You're so OBTUSE that You don't even KNOW the reference is plainly OBVIOUS. Oh! That's RIGHT. Your generation so SENSITIVE they can't even BEAR to watch an intense film like that.
More fool You.
Cossacks? Or Kulaks.
Kulaks. Nice catch.
I STILL dunno about them. SHould I?
jt - the Soviets considered them, and they argued this with a straight face, "rich peasants" who had hoarded wealth and more importantly food (crops and livestock). The Soviets took everything they had in a program of forced starvation. I can't recall the number killed but in many it foreshadowed the Shoah. The scapegoating of a people and their extermination.
Ah. THank You, SIR. Never said I was all that knowledgable about a LOTTA things. TYTY.