We knew this too. The Boston Globe and the WSJ had article that came out today and yesterday respectively about the virus coming from a lab. Globe article is titled -
“Lab leak most likely caused pandemic, Energy Department says”
Yet it won’t allow it’s readers to comment on the story. Hilarious. Are we still protecting China?
All beca…
We knew this too. The Boston Globe and the WSJ had article that came out today and yesterday respectively about the virus coming from a lab. Globe article is titled -
“Lab leak most likely caused pandemic, Energy Department says”
Yet it won’t allow it’s readers to comment on the story. Hilarious. Are we still protecting China?
All because we had to make Trump look bad and get him out of office.
It really took us 3 years to find out Covid came from a lab? THREE years? That is beyond pathetic.
What do you mean "took us 3 years"? I've known (to the extent historical retrospective knowledge is possible) that it came from the WIV for years. You probably did to. So unless you're putting yourself forward as a representative of the American "mainstream" media, I don't think "us" is the appropriate pronoun there.
Yip its beyond pathetic in fact I think it was treason, however it was politically correct it got rid of the Republicans and DJT and gave us a rabid party of losers to run our country I hope we have all learned a good lesson.
Same. My mother did this to me, and she’s a geneticist who specialized in retroviruses and coronaviruses in particular. She splices genes, she builds the software the computers use for the data models. And she was so nasty and condescending to me when I suggested the circumstantial evidence alone pretty strongly indicated a lab leak. Since then, it just isn’t talked about.
Yeah Rabid I know exactly what you talking about. It’s like shtum now, before it was OMG you haven’t been vaccinated don’t come near me, I can tell you I have taken their advice I give them a wide berth and I’m not even missing them!
Good story, Rabid, and all too familiar. Don't ever expect any apologies or mea culpas from your relatives. If they are like some people in my circle, their fragile egos could not handle being so wrong about something so important. So they will deny it, more or less forever. Quite sad, really.
There is an apparent epidemic of reliance on appeal to authority fallacy in the sciences. Anyone with any amount of education in the field should have known the difference between experimental and proven.
My explanation is that the egos of those in the sciences was exposed (another white savior fallacy). They wanted to believe they could save the world. Clearly, many in the field were given enough information to buy into that. Don't blame your family, blame those that intentionally misled your family.
A lot of people in science, especially the social sciences, have become intoxicated by science's role as one of the only remaining "truth telling" institutions. This leads them to believe that things are true because "Science says" which inevitably leads them to trying to game what science says, in the cult like hope that by forcing the truth telling institution to repeat what they want to be true, they will manifest it as actually being true. It's not fundamentally different than any other form of sympathetic magic.
Excellent comment. Doctors are the worst at having their decisions questioned. I spent 30 years working with them, and their egos are quite fragile for many, but certainly not all.
I'm willing to go with bungling. It's hard to believe they would deliberately leak it in their own country, especially given that it isn't the country whos Pharma benefited. But the opportunism was certainly seized, wasn't it? Never let a good disaster go to waste.
of course it was created and enhanced in the lab...of course it was released on purpose...and of course it was an act of war...stop looking at 21st century warfare thru the lens of 20th century warfare
It's possible. Maybe I'm a skeptic but I wouldn't put anything past the CCP government. Maybe they are interested in developing antiviral drugs? Bio warfare?
Remember the "bat lady"? That doctor who ran their Wuhan Virology lab? She's disappeared, hasn't she? That's not a sign that she was doing what they wanted her to do. That's what they do to screw-ups - like some of those corporate executives that screwed up and caused a big ruckus with children dying from eating toothpaste contaminated with ethylene glycol, or the milk formula business. They took those guys out and summarily shot them.
On the other hand, they did disappear that opthamologist who first reported that there was a new virus going around. So I guess there is some mixed evidence here.
Let's be real about this. Remember in 2020 when a group of geneticists issued an open letter proclaiming that the Covid-19 virus could not have been genetically engineered? But what they conspicuously left out was "genetically altered" or "gain of function." I'm now thinking that this was a deliberate and knowing lie in the service of China. They all need to be rounded up and forced to talk. All the better if we find Fauci was behind it.
It was, and there have been several articles exposing the campaign that was launched to shut those folks down, spearheaded by Fauci, Collins and the WHO.
I'm thinking that while CHINA accidently leaked the virus (and I'm even beginning to think that it wasn't an accident) most of the malfeasance was on the part of US agencies, both in the development of this virus, and the massive coverup that followed.
It's good to see that the NYT and WaPo are at least beginning to retract some of their former positions. Maybe they can even devote some time to exposing the entire scope of the crime, from funding research to covering up the outcomes of their disaster.
EDIT: I should clarify, when I say I'm beginning to think that the release wasn't an accident, I'm not thinking it was an act of war, but a pharma driven act to release a virus that they had already been working on a 'vaccine' for. Consistent with the Project Veritas video.
Same here. I was in healthcare (administrative, not clinical) for 30 years and was responsible for overseeing many disaster situations, including our hospital being the epicenter for the 2003 West Nile Virus epidemic. The CDC camped out in our parking lot for almost two months.
I was advising family that the precautions were over the top and that we were being misled. I didn't even get into the lab leak, which was obviously going to be a proven as the source, but concentrated of mask efficacy, and the need to keep their kids in school. I was a supporter on the elective use of the 'vaccine' until the results started to come in, when I advised that it only be used for 60+ years of age, or significant comorbidities. I'm not sure I'd even advise for those patients anymore.
My SIL, a nurse, drank all of the Kool-Aid, and it got to the point where we couldn't even talk anymore. She convinced the entire family to follow religiously, all of the CDC recommendations, and I quit discussing the topic with family.
I still don't bring up the topic, even though I've been vindicated.
Note that liberals who pushed mandates, lockdowns and masking will never apologize and never change. Why? Because we never made them pay a price for it. Fear is a very potent motivator.
Sounds very similar to someone I know who's daughter works in one of Fauci's labs. Family get-togethers have become strained affairs with very few topics that can be safely discussed. They have another problem as well, in that the daughter's husband is a non-gluten vegan who scolds anyone should their butter knife contaminate the butter by touching a piece of bread. Adds another dimension to the madness.
When I met my wife she lived with a gluten free guy and his girlfriend.
They religiously believed no amount of cleaning or sanitizing could get gluten 'contamination' off of knives, dishes, utensils and counters.
The girlfriend, who wasn't even gluten intolerant, was the enforcer of the rules. She appeared into the kitchen whenever my wife was cooking to make sure she was fully 'compliant'.
So my wife started having all her meals at my place and we quickly fell in love and she moved in with me.
I guess I should be grateful for the gluten police :)
Cool story. An MD told me once that the percentage of the population that is testably gluten intolerant is very small. The percentage who think or at least say they are is orders of magnitude larger.
If have to understand the ideology of the left and everything drilled down from them. There is not much different from them and their counterparts in the CCP. Power and control is everything!
Most people are not interested in an indifferent sort of truth. They are interested in social belonging. What they call "beliefs" are ritualistic recitations, not conclusions based on their own assessment of information from competing sources.
They genuinely do not understand that people with opposing views are not necessarily also reciting, to "belong" to another side. (Many ARE doing that.)
So the facts are not the issue to them. It is that you took the "other" side. They don't understand that there is any other way of looking at it, and they are not aware they are doing it. It is like paranoia. If you show a paranoid person evidence that their delusions are factually incorrect, they merely see this as evidence that you are one of their persecutors.
For all those who dismiss the idea that humans 'need' to believe in something, to belong somewhere (aka religion), the COVID experience has proven this in spades.
Because, unlike Elizabeth's mother, our liberal friends didn't even have scientific backgrounds. They simply "believed." And, in the case of Elizabeth's condescending mom, nobody said they were splicing genes. They were simply doing gain of function work. And they were either very careless or deliberately venal.
We knew this too. The Boston Globe and the WSJ had article that came out today and yesterday respectively about the virus coming from a lab. Globe article is titled -
“Lab leak most likely caused pandemic, Energy Department says”
Yet it won’t allow it’s readers to comment on the story. Hilarious. Are we still protecting China?
All because we had to make Trump look bad and get him out of office.
It really took us 3 years to find out Covid came from a lab? THREE years? That is beyond pathetic.
Not all of us. Some of us knew from the very beginning. Wet market??? How f'ing insulting!
Occam's razor would suggest that an accidental lab leak is the best explanation. I said this from the outset, and I haven't changed my mind.
What do you mean "took us 3 years"? I've known (to the extent historical retrospective knowledge is possible) that it came from the WIV for years. You probably did to. So unless you're putting yourself forward as a representative of the American "mainstream" media, I don't think "us" is the appropriate pronoun there.
I knew very quickly.
Yip its beyond pathetic in fact I think it was treason, however it was politically correct it got rid of the Republicans and DJT and gave us a rabid party of losers to run our country I hope we have all learned a good lesson.
It was obvious two years ago.
Same. My mother did this to me, and she’s a geneticist who specialized in retroviruses and coronaviruses in particular. She splices genes, she builds the software the computers use for the data models. And she was so nasty and condescending to me when I suggested the circumstantial evidence alone pretty strongly indicated a lab leak. Since then, it just isn’t talked about.
Yeah Rabid I know exactly what you talking about. It’s like shtum now, before it was OMG you haven’t been vaccinated don’t come near me, I can tell you I have taken their advice I give them a wide berth and I’m not even missing them!
Yeah, vax shaming....maybe the most disgusting aspect of the whole scam.
Has anybody received an apology for this? I'm doing a poll.
We know people who lost their jobs over it - two fireman, as a matter of fact. More than just shaming.
Good story, Rabid, and all too familiar. Don't ever expect any apologies or mea culpas from your relatives. If they are like some people in my circle, their fragile egos could not handle being so wrong about something so important. So they will deny it, more or less forever. Quite sad, really.
There is an apparent epidemic of reliance on appeal to authority fallacy in the sciences. Anyone with any amount of education in the field should have known the difference between experimental and proven.
My explanation is that the egos of those in the sciences was exposed (another white savior fallacy). They wanted to believe they could save the world. Clearly, many in the field were given enough information to buy into that. Don't blame your family, blame those that intentionally misled your family.
Also an appeal to the ad populi fallacy. Climate "science" is full of this.
A lot of people in science, especially the social sciences, have become intoxicated by science's role as one of the only remaining "truth telling" institutions. This leads them to believe that things are true because "Science says" which inevitably leads them to trying to game what science says, in the cult like hope that by forcing the truth telling institution to repeat what they want to be true, they will manifest it as actually being true. It's not fundamentally different than any other form of sympathetic magic.
Excellent comment. Doctors are the worst at having their decisions questioned. I spent 30 years working with them, and their egos are quite fragile for many, but certainly not all.
I am an RN and I always felt it was an intentional lab leak.
I'm willing to go with bungling. It's hard to believe they would deliberately leak it in their own country, especially given that it isn't the country whos Pharma benefited. But the opportunism was certainly seized, wasn't it? Never let a good disaster go to waste.
of course it was created and enhanced in the lab...of course it was released on purpose...and of course it was an act of war...stop looking at 21st century warfare thru the lens of 20th century warfare
It's possible. Maybe I'm a skeptic but I wouldn't put anything past the CCP government. Maybe they are interested in developing antiviral drugs? Bio warfare?
Remember the "bat lady"? That doctor who ran their Wuhan Virology lab? She's disappeared, hasn't she? That's not a sign that she was doing what they wanted her to do. That's what they do to screw-ups - like some of those corporate executives that screwed up and caused a big ruckus with children dying from eating toothpaste contaminated with ethylene glycol, or the milk formula business. They took those guys out and summarily shot them.
On the other hand, they did disappear that opthamologist who first reported that there was a new virus going around. So I guess there is some mixed evidence here.
Cannot trust them unfortunately.
I, too, have encountered that memory hole. It is remarkable.
Let's be real about this. Remember in 2020 when a group of geneticists issued an open letter proclaiming that the Covid-19 virus could not have been genetically engineered? But what they conspicuously left out was "genetically altered" or "gain of function." I'm now thinking that this was a deliberate and knowing lie in the service of China. They all need to be rounded up and forced to talk. All the better if we find Fauci was behind it.
They should be rounded up every single one of them and shlepped off to Rikers in fact Dr Fauci should be horsewhipped all the way there!
You could argue that Fauci has as much blood on his hands as Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc.
I would love a glance at Wallensky’s and Fauci’s bank accounts from three years ago vs today
It was, and there have been several articles exposing the campaign that was launched to shut those folks down, spearheaded by Fauci, Collins and the WHO.
I'm thinking that while CHINA accidently leaked the virus (and I'm even beginning to think that it wasn't an accident) most of the malfeasance was on the part of US agencies, both in the development of this virus, and the massive coverup that followed.
It's good to see that the NYT and WaPo are at least beginning to retract some of their former positions. Maybe they can even devote some time to exposing the entire scope of the crime, from funding research to covering up the outcomes of their disaster.
EDIT: I should clarify, when I say I'm beginning to think that the release wasn't an accident, I'm not thinking it was an act of war, but a pharma driven act to release a virus that they had already been working on a 'vaccine' for. Consistent with the Project Veritas video.
one of the greatest events for the country would be for those outlets to go out of business entirely.
The NY Times has been lying since it published Walter Duranty's paean to Stalin.
Exactly there is nothing good about NYT or the Wapo.
Same here. I was in healthcare (administrative, not clinical) for 30 years and was responsible for overseeing many disaster situations, including our hospital being the epicenter for the 2003 West Nile Virus epidemic. The CDC camped out in our parking lot for almost two months.
I was advising family that the precautions were over the top and that we were being misled. I didn't even get into the lab leak, which was obviously going to be a proven as the source, but concentrated of mask efficacy, and the need to keep their kids in school. I was a supporter on the elective use of the 'vaccine' until the results started to come in, when I advised that it only be used for 60+ years of age, or significant comorbidities. I'm not sure I'd even advise for those patients anymore.
My SIL, a nurse, drank all of the Kool-Aid, and it got to the point where we couldn't even talk anymore. She convinced the entire family to follow religiously, all of the CDC recommendations, and I quit discussing the topic with family.
I still don't bring up the topic, even though I've been vindicated.
And no doubt they all know you've been vindicated, but will never admit it.
Note that liberals who pushed mandates, lockdowns and masking will never apologize and never change. Why? Because we never made them pay a price for it. Fear is a very potent motivator.
Sounds very similar to someone I know who's daughter works in one of Fauci's labs. Family get-togethers have become strained affairs with very few topics that can be safely discussed. They have another problem as well, in that the daughter's husband is a non-gluten vegan who scolds anyone should their butter knife contaminate the butter by touching a piece of bread. Adds another dimension to the madness.
When I met my wife she lived with a gluten free guy and his girlfriend.
They religiously believed no amount of cleaning or sanitizing could get gluten 'contamination' off of knives, dishes, utensils and counters.
The girlfriend, who wasn't even gluten intolerant, was the enforcer of the rules. She appeared into the kitchen whenever my wife was cooking to make sure she was fully 'compliant'.
So my wife started having all her meals at my place and we quickly fell in love and she moved in with me.
I guess I should be grateful for the gluten police :)
Cool story. An MD told me once that the percentage of the population that is testably gluten intolerant is very small. The percentage who think or at least say they are is orders of magnitude larger.
It’s pointless they still don’t get it!
A person who has converted to a cult cannot be reasoned with in the normal ways we use in society.
If have to understand the ideology of the left and everything drilled down from them. There is not much different from them and their counterparts in the CCP. Power and control is everything!
Most people are not interested in an indifferent sort of truth. They are interested in social belonging. What they call "beliefs" are ritualistic recitations, not conclusions based on their own assessment of information from competing sources.
They genuinely do not understand that people with opposing views are not necessarily also reciting, to "belong" to another side. (Many ARE doing that.)
So the facts are not the issue to them. It is that you took the "other" side. They don't understand that there is any other way of looking at it, and they are not aware they are doing it. It is like paranoia. If you show a paranoid person evidence that their delusions are factually incorrect, they merely see this as evidence that you are one of their persecutors.
For all those who dismiss the idea that humans 'need' to believe in something, to belong somewhere (aka religion), the COVID experience has proven this in spades.
Great summary of where we are as a culture now.
Am I correct in assuming that these relatives are die-hard COVID jabs and that they'd shank you for saying anything negative about the shots?
Because, unlike Elizabeth's mother, our liberal friends didn't even have scientific backgrounds. They simply "believed." And, in the case of Elizabeth's condescending mom, nobody said they were splicing genes. They were simply doing gain of function work. And they were either very careless or deliberately venal.