Now that we're asking obvious questions that weren't allowed before:
1. Palestinians are represented by two governments: Hamas in Gaza and the PA in the West Bank. In what way are they disenfranchised? They don't have tanks? Do we think they should? Some of their movements are restricted, but that could be solved if they'd just admit that…
Now that we're asking obvious questions that weren't allowed before:
1. Palestinians are represented by two governments: Hamas in Gaza and the PA in the West Bank. In what way are they disenfranchised? They don't have tanks? Do we think they should? Some of their movements are restricted, but that could be solved if they'd just admit that killing Jews is wrong.
2. Has Israel been "oppressing" them, or are the "humiliating" checkpoints more like TSA lines?
3. Is there any value to the '67 lines, other than allowing the Arabs to pretend they didn't lose their wars? If international law really says Israel has to move back to them despite the fact that it wasn't the aggressor (doubtful), does that actually make sense? Shouldn't the aggressor pay a price for aggression?
4. On that topic, what has been demanded of the Arabs for a century of killing Jews, other than that they agree to stop? Is this really the way we want world affairs to go?
“TSA lines”...brilliant! A perfect symmetry. Just as WE have to go through inspection for explosive devices/weapons because, in real life, Islamic terrorists created a very real risk for people on airplanes (9/11), so Gazans have to go through inspection because in real life, Hamas terrorists create a very real risk for people in Israel (10/7, and many, many other times).
The Six Day War in 1967 started with the Israeli preemptive strike on the Egyptian Air Force when, in 3 waves over mere hours, they destroyed 90% of Egypt’s planes on the ground, denying the Arabs air superiority over the next week.
It was a true preemptive strike in the face of the Arabs’ buildup of overwhelming forces and saved Israel but, technically, the Israelis struck first.
That’s a disingenuous argument that’s made by apologists. Israel shouldn’t have to wait to be struck when the evidence is overwhelming that its imminent. Look what happened when they did just that in 1973. They almost lost- and that would have meant the end of Israel!
One more: if Israel is committing “genocide,” how come there are so many “innocent children” in harms way in Gaza? Isn’t the definition of genocide not allowing the population to reproduce and grow? Isn’t it the systematic elimination of a targeted population? Where do children come from in the middle of a “genocide”? How can it be both a genocide and have the Palestinian population grow over time?
"Now that we're asking obvious questions that weren't allowed before"...classic...and I feel like we are getting a minute to peak out from behind the veil with questions, speaking out loud. Thanks for the post. It's good to hear you!
Now that we're asking obvious questions that weren't allowed before:
1. Palestinians are represented by two governments: Hamas in Gaza and the PA in the West Bank. In what way are they disenfranchised? They don't have tanks? Do we think they should? Some of their movements are restricted, but that could be solved if they'd just admit that killing Jews is wrong.
2. Has Israel been "oppressing" them, or are the "humiliating" checkpoints more like TSA lines?
3. Is there any value to the '67 lines, other than allowing the Arabs to pretend they didn't lose their wars? If international law really says Israel has to move back to them despite the fact that it wasn't the aggressor (doubtful), does that actually make sense? Shouldn't the aggressor pay a price for aggression?
4. On that topic, what has been demanded of the Arabs for a century of killing Jews, other than that they agree to stop? Is this really the way we want world affairs to go?
“TSA lines”...brilliant! A perfect symmetry. Just as WE have to go through inspection for explosive devices/weapons because, in real life, Islamic terrorists created a very real risk for people on airplanes (9/11), so Gazans have to go through inspection because in real life, Hamas terrorists create a very real risk for people in Israel (10/7, and many, many other times).
I think Israel has offered more land and the offer was summarily objected. Your POV is mine as well. Of course I value substance over appearance.
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The Six Day War in 1967 started with the Israeli preemptive strike on the Egyptian Air Force when, in 3 waves over mere hours, they destroyed 90% of Egypt’s planes on the ground, denying the Arabs air superiority over the next week.
It was a true preemptive strike in the face of the Arabs’ buildup of overwhelming forces and saved Israel but, technically, the Israelis struck first.
If we are into technicalities… 😀
That’s a disingenuous argument that’s made by apologists. Israel shouldn’t have to wait to be struck when the evidence is overwhelming that its imminent. Look what happened when they did just that in 1973. They almost lost- and that would have meant the end of Israel!
Oh, I wasn't blaming them - just delving into history. When you see a piano falling, you step out of the way.
If you are about to be in a fight, do you have to let the other person hit you first? No, strike hard and strike first.
True like that judged by 12 or carried by 6 thing.
I believe it was after Egypt closed off the Straits of Tiran, which was consider and Act of War. Don't take my word for it, though; I'm not an expert.
When their new "bible" is Mein Kampf, what's the chance of expecting civilized behavior?
Sadly true. But in the past, they seemed more tolerant. Now that religion has morphed into some thing much more tangled, and evil and intolerant.
One more: if Israel is committing “genocide,” how come there are so many “innocent children” in harms way in Gaza? Isn’t the definition of genocide not allowing the population to reproduce and grow? Isn’t it the systematic elimination of a targeted population? Where do children come from in the middle of a “genocide”? How can it be both a genocide and have the Palestinian population grow over time?
Not just growing, roughly half the population is under 18 I think. So born at the time or since Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza.
Facts are such pesky, stubborn things ......
Facts?!?
"Now that we're asking obvious questions that weren't allowed before"...classic...and I feel like we are getting a minute to peak out from behind the veil with questions, speaking out loud. Thanks for the post. It's good to hear you!
"Shouldn't the aggressor pay a price for aggression?"
Excellent question.