No MRI information? No reports of heat when this happened? Pretty hard to focus energy and not make heat. And if there’s physical damage to brain, it would likely be visible on MR imaging.
No MRI information? No reports of heat when this happened? Pretty hard to focus energy and not make heat. And if there’s physical damage to brain, it would likely be visible on MR imaging.
I’ll just note Joe -without specific data- that it seems to me that I could easily disrupt the very finely balanced electrical-magnetic fields in a persons brain function with very short bursts of electromagnetic energy that wouldn’t approach even a couple percent of the thermal heat going on in someone’s brain. Just think of sweat and the cooling needed by your head. That sweat is dispensing 650 BTU/lb as it evaporates. I’ve had several MRI of my brain (I have epilepsy) and never felt any heat.
I really doubt that I could dismiss the possibility of directed energy just based on “no heat measured”, imho.
With MRI, your body is doing the radiating—the principal external energy input is the magnetic field. The RF energy, aka microwave—used is just enough to flip protons out of alignment—not much energy. It radiates when flipped protons realign themselves in the unit’s magnetic field. The amount of energy is minuscule, which is why the antennae are less than an inch from your head.
Further to the question, what would be the putative mechanism of action of the “focused energy” beam? Apparently no one lost consciousness, so most likely no seizure. Presumably imcontinence, bitten tongue, etc. would have been noted. But wasn’t. I don’t know of people experiencing pain before having seizures either (other than migraine auras, if you want to call the seizures).
Whole thing is pretty underdocumented. I’m not saying nothing happened. Apparently something did. It just seems like making it a focused energy situation is a reach. I’d wonder a lot more about a toxin. It’s pretty easy to concoct untraceable ones: no one would know what to look for.
I get ya. I know that the MRI energy pulses are minuscule, was just noting that the brain thermally is a much bigger scale (due to chemical reactions of sugars / fat) than the energy needed to disrupt brain signals.
I guess we both are surprised that the diagnoses of this Havana Syndrome apparently (for what we can see from the outside) are quite under documented. Maybe the problems are toxins or something else like aerosols in ventilation (my attempt to make a coy quip about a certain coronavirus…).
But I really was surprised to see any kind of serious US position that it’s not physical. Wow! I think that I would have a very hard time telling folks that their duress wasn’t real.
One never knows, but I've found that dismissing things like that without looking into them carries real risk. If a patient comes to me with something I flat can't make sense of, I find a smarter doctor for him.
No MRI information? No reports of heat when this happened? Pretty hard to focus energy and not make heat. And if there’s physical damage to brain, it would likely be visible on MR imaging.
So, any actual data to report?
I’ll just note Joe -without specific data- that it seems to me that I could easily disrupt the very finely balanced electrical-magnetic fields in a persons brain function with very short bursts of electromagnetic energy that wouldn’t approach even a couple percent of the thermal heat going on in someone’s brain. Just think of sweat and the cooling needed by your head. That sweat is dispensing 650 BTU/lb as it evaporates. I’ve had several MRI of my brain (I have epilepsy) and never felt any heat.
I really doubt that I could dismiss the possibility of directed energy just based on “no heat measured”, imho.
With MRI, your body is doing the radiating—the principal external energy input is the magnetic field. The RF energy, aka microwave—used is just enough to flip protons out of alignment—not much energy. It radiates when flipped protons realign themselves in the unit’s magnetic field. The amount of energy is minuscule, which is why the antennae are less than an inch from your head.
Further to the question, what would be the putative mechanism of action of the “focused energy” beam? Apparently no one lost consciousness, so most likely no seizure. Presumably imcontinence, bitten tongue, etc. would have been noted. But wasn’t. I don’t know of people experiencing pain before having seizures either (other than migraine auras, if you want to call the seizures).
Whole thing is pretty underdocumented. I’m not saying nothing happened. Apparently something did. It just seems like making it a focused energy situation is a reach. I’d wonder a lot more about a toxin. It’s pretty easy to concoct untraceable ones: no one would know what to look for.
I get ya. I know that the MRI energy pulses are minuscule, was just noting that the brain thermally is a much bigger scale (due to chemical reactions of sugars / fat) than the energy needed to disrupt brain signals.
I guess we both are surprised that the diagnoses of this Havana Syndrome apparently (for what we can see from the outside) are quite under documented. Maybe the problems are toxins or something else like aerosols in ventilation (my attempt to make a coy quip about a certain coronavirus…).
But I really was surprised to see any kind of serious US position that it’s not physical. Wow! I think that I would have a very hard time telling folks that their duress wasn’t real.
One never knows, but I've found that dismissing things like that without looking into them carries real risk. If a patient comes to me with something I flat can't make sense of, I find a smarter doctor for him.