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“I always found their obsession with it, and the search for a smoking gun that probably was never going to emerge, to be rather reaching”

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If you are even marginally acquainted with the contents of the laptop and do not consider it to be a smoking gun, you yourself are a corrupt scumbag.

Joe Biden started a natural gas company, including office space, not just on paper, with Chinese spies who have since literally been killed, a month after Charlottesville which was allegedly the event that called him to duty to save our nation’s soul.

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Just an observer's avatar

Multiple pols showed that people would vote differently had they known about the laptop. Just this simple fact clearly indicates hiding the laptop story influenced the election results. Probably more than any alleged voting machines manipulation or mail ballots tricks. It was a smoking gun.

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Scott D's avatar

But why can't BOTH Trump and Hunter Biden be investigated? Why does it have to be one or the other? Trump gets to steal top secret documents because of Hunter Biden's laptop? What sense does that make.

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Hmmm's avatar

On the one hand, he says (accurately) that all the journalists knew it was real from the beginning. On the other hand, he has understanding for their "wariness." Sorry, you can't have that cake and eat it, too.

TGIF/Common Sense, please make this a litmus test: If you can't see see (or won't admit) the full import of the laptop saga and what it reveals about the mainstream media (and associated gatekeepers like the spooks who signed the Russian disinformation letter), then you don't get to write for us.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Sorry, it’s Jiao Bideng. That was a typo.

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Jon's avatar

'But after reading about all the scoundrels involved in peddling this thing, and their various motivations, it isn’t hard to see why the press was so wary of this story.'

Sorry, but I stopped reading after this comment. I'm guessing the author had no hesitancy diving into and promulgating the Dossier, We're past making excuses over the national media coverup of the laptop.

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james p mc grenra's avatar

Jon...so much in agreement

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vernon's avatar

He doesn’t even mention the scoundrels. Who are they? Why would their mere desire to know the contents of the laptop sour him so that he didn’t want to know himself?

The picture is incomplete. I’m not sure why he even brought it up.

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Leslie's avatar

The compulsion to belong.

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james p mc grenra's avatar

vernon...interesting to think just How their minds work, their system of thought based only on their interest..."just want the facts Joe"

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Rod Parker's avatar

I hesitated to read anything when he said he wrote for the New York magazine but figured I'd give him a chance thinking that maybe, since he was writing for Common Sense, Bari had determined that he had some. It became clear he doesn't when he mentioned the "scoundrels" that were hollering about the lap tap. What difference does it make who they were??? If your neighbor is a scoundrel and he's beating on your door at night yelling that your house in on fire, you gonna ignore him just because you hate his guts?

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Wally's avatar

I'm guessing a high fraction of liberals would stay in their house and die if the guy knocking on the door telling the about the fire was wearing a MAGA hat!

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Lynne Morris's avatar

That is exactly what they would do. It is my theory that every policy debate involves a consideration of what Trump would do, followed by a decision to do the opposite.

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MH's avatar

Exactly...also his use of the term "right wingers". Wonder what his def of that term is.

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Rod Parker's avatar

Same as Biden's - People that threaten democracy and should be hated and despised.

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The Biz's avatar

Agreed. It’s funny how these folks justify what they do. Whether information is good or bad is determined not by the information itself and whether it can be verified and what it means. What matters is where it’s coming from and whether the people receiving that information likes the source or not. That’s how you get “journalists” who basically repeat anything the FBI claims anonymously, no matter how often it is incorrect or obviously intended for partisan purposes, yet will dismiss good information because they feel the source is icky or they don’t like that that icky source may benefit from the true information.

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Rod Parker's avatar

The same mindset that fueled the BYU racism sham.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

It’s important to remember that this “scoundrel” comment is a reference to people like Giuliani talking to corrupt people……..when they were looking into Biden’s deals with corrupt people.

Please pause to think how much of a dishonest scumbag you have to be to make that argument.

Person A did business with criminals and Person B is a “scoundrel” because they went to talk to the criminals to try to figure out the details of the business dealings of Person A.

I’m not exaggerating when I say these people are depraved. That 100% is the word for it.

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MH's avatar

I almost stopped reading at this point as well. Since when have journalists been "wary" about anything. Just look at the recent BYU racism scandal that never was. The journalists there weren't "wary", they dove right in w all their bias.

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james p mc grenra's avatar

Maura...that would be A Bingo

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Danimal28's avatar

Me too, Jon. It is infuriating that there is no mention of the 20% of democrats would have switched their vote if that event wasn't censored by the FBI and Facebook which is another collusion catastrophe that wasn't mentioned.

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Terry's avatar

The poll I read about said 9% might have switched their vote.

That said, if 9% of Democrats switched their vote in Calif., NY, and other heavily Dem states, it would have made not one whit of difference. But it would have made all the difference in the swing states of Georgia, Penn, Michigan, Arizona, and Wisconsin, all of which had razor thin margins for Biden, less than a percentage point, well within the margin of error/fraud/cheating.

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Anthony's avatar

I read 5% and even that would have been enough to change the outcome.

Yes, the FBI and corporate media tipped the election for the Democrats. It's not under debate. It's a fundamental betrayal of democracy and the watchdog role of the media. It's something worth a protest at the capitol.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Don't forget $402,000,000 Zuck bucks.

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Anthony's avatar

While his company claimed the power to censor us on behalf of the US intelligence state and the Democrat Party, and their first act as censors was to silence people warning about the pandemic.

Nope, I haven't forgotten and I never will.

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Danimal28's avatar

44K votes in any combinations of two of those states would have swung the electoral college. Oh yeah, and WI had 100K dead voters...

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MH's avatar

Which is exactly why that story was squashed. The Tech overlords could not risk another Trump term. IMO that's what it all came down to

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Good call. It was not good and has revived all of my stereotypes of Upper East Siders.

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DeniCam's avatar

I lived there for sometime; the only people more 'woke' than the Upper East Side are on the Upper West Side. NY needs MORE illegals; and drop them in those 2 neighborhoods.

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Danimal28's avatar

I agree. Over 333K people(and their $34B) have left that hivemind, replace them with illegals.

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DeniCam's avatar

I'm all in for that...I left after a great run after the Left systematically destroyed one of the greatest cities in the world. They should be ashamed of what 'they' did to that once dynamic city in the name of Political Correctness and being 'woke'. It was horrific.

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Danimal28's avatar

I had very similar thoughts. My brain went "New York City" = completely detached.

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MEbner's avatar

Please don’t believe that, even in a city of 8 million that is dominated by liberals there are plenty of conservatives as well. We despise what is happening like everyone else with conservative beliefs, we just tend to get an up close view of the insanity living here.

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Anthony's avatar

Man I wish I could pick your brain about that! I tried Seattle for three years and it broke me. When they called me a racist conspiracy theorist because I was telling them to stop massive dance parties that might spread the novel virus - pretty much lost all respect for the upper educated elite then.

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GraceMT's avatar

Lol I lived in Seattle for a decade in the 90s. Whitest city ever

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Anthony's avatar

Not anymore!

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Danimal28's avatar

I should have clarified as you are correct. This guys prose it that of Greenwich Village. Or of Nicollet Mall in my own Minnesocold. Thank G-d I live 40 miles away from Minneapolis.

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The Biz's avatar

Me to. Leftists just can’t control this aspect of themselves. It’s the need to justify what they do, and to show their presumption that they are somehow good, and that’s why it’s ok to do whatever they want to the “grimy” people. Why does Beri bring these people on? To insult everyone?

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james p mc grenra's avatar

Biz...she, BW, knows, she wants the heat and excitement...gunk

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bcasey004's avatar

I'm guessing in the same breath you will say Trump had a "perfect" phone call with president Zelenskyy. Please someone reply saying just that.

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Hmmm's avatar

What about what?

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The Biz's avatar

Deflecting to the stupid things Trump has done is not some magic answer to other peoples bad behavior. Sometimes you just have to accept that the folks you support are grifting boons too.

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Terry Brown's avatar

Spot on and well said.

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EricStoner's avatar

These villains are just so cool they’ll tell you how cool they are just to make sure we know;

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=comey+book+signing+admits+sending+agents+to+entrap+flynn&view=detail&mid=4FDF78DDE21D2B56EF934FDF78DDE21D2B56EF93&FORM=VIRE&PC=APPL

See, so cool. Hope he has to maintain that coolness in the showers of Leavenworth! A boy can dream:-)

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Almost Home's avatar

Thanks for sharing that. I had seen it but couldn’t remember where it was. Every media company worth anything should show this on repeat.

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Terry Brown's avatar

Really, you robbed two banks but that guy robbed two and double parked his car also. So he's the real evil. Try some real thinking versus just deflection.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

He wasn’t even double parked. He was literally asking the bank manager for assistance with the investigation of the bank robbery in this analogy.

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Almost Home's avatar

Why can’t one be critical of Trump’s call and Biden’s actions? Why do so many Americans think that choosing the slightly less awful is somehow better? Trump got impeached for his phone call. Biden got elected for his actions. There’s now video out where VP Biden is bragging, on camera, about withholding funding to Ukraine unless a government prosecutor is fired. I dislike both men (and political parties) but if liberals want to be taken seriously, they have to start admitting there’s a bias in the media and their party is no different than team red.

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Sheena's avatar

YES!

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Natalia L.'s avatar

But liberals don’t feel the need to be taken seriously. They already are taken seriously by enough people. So, why bother?

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Almost Home's avatar

That's one way to look at it. I would argue they're taken seriously by their own tribe and few others. If they truly care about the issues they claim to, they'll need to reach more than just their team. Same goes for the other side. We can keep this tribal/team loyalty mentality and get nowhere or we can hopefully make progress and ditch our "team first" strategy. Today's TGIF was not a step in the direction of progress. It was written with a team blue bias and was disappointing coming from Common Sense.

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DeniCam's avatar

The election irregularities were EPIC; and the MSM simply didn't report. There is cause to believe the election was hijacked to get rid of Trump.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

They openly admitted it in print.

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DeniCam's avatar

But yet they keep b*tching about 'the Big Lie'...what garbage.

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Terry's avatar

Equating Trump's phone call, which was recorded and witnessed by a whole team of people including that idiot Vindmann, with any of the thousands of traitorous actions Biden has committed while Senator, VP, and now P... is, to my mind, ludicrous in the extreme.

Literally everything they accused Trump of, Biden has in fact done. Trump privately boasting about "you could grab them by the crotch" locker room talk versus Biden sexually assaulting a Senatorial aide and getting away with it scott-free, right up to the present, not to mention Biden's questionable touchiness around young girls. Biden's (successful) threats to the Ukraine leadership to fire a prosecutor who was looking into his son's activities or lose military aid. Biden's bungling of the Afghan war. Biden's cowardly vote against the mission to capture/kill Bin Laden. Biden's canceling of oil and gas leases and slowing down of issuing permits and killing the almost completed Keystone pipeline (that would have transported 700K BBL of Canadian tar-sand oil a day, equal to the 700K BBL of oil that we still import from Russia), thus killing America's energy independence and making us dependent again on the Arabs and Russians and setting off an inflationary spiral... Biden's all-in $60 billion support for Ukraine that turned it into a proxy war against Russia, moving us closer to nuclear confrontation and pushing Russia into the arms of China, Biden's $5 trillion in pork barrel spending that, so far, has done NOTHING to help the economy or boost American power, the co-opting of the FBI as a political attack tool, Biden labeling 25% to 50% of Americans as dangerous domestic fascist-terrorists... Biden is a complete disaster, everyone knows it including the senior Democrat leadership and the media elite who are all desperately covering for him to just survive the '22 elections and then gently ease him out before '24....

Never before have we been in such a bad state of affairs by our own making. The Civil War might qualify as the last time things were this bad but even then, an argument can be made for 2022 being worse than 1859. I guess we'll see how things shake out. I hope we're not headed for civil war but every time the FBI raids a couple dozen political enemies, it hardens people's hatred and contempt for the government and moves us further down the road to chaos and internal strife.

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Wally's avatar

Things were pretty bad circa 1966-1974. Though today is bad and getting worse, but we haven't had major leaders assassinated or some some 60K kids sent to die in a war just because the presidents of the day couldn't figure out how to reconcile a losing position with their egos. Nor have we had the police open fire into a crowd of college kids just because they didn't want their bothers sent to South East Asia.

We're still below that level of unrest, but maybe not by much. I just hope some of the most influential media members and politicians come to their senses before its reached the point of no return.

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Terry's avatar

The youth rebellion of the 1960s is still ongoing. That generation is a lot older but as spoiled and immature as they were 50 years ago.

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Wally's avatar

That certainly goes for the ones of that generation that won’t give up their government jobs anyway.

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Barbara's avatar

That video has been out for years...

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Don's avatar

This was the first time in history that major news organizations completely ignored a candidate's 40 years of political history...

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Almost Home's avatar

I'm sure it has. I hadn't seen it until recently.

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Brian Katz's avatar

Because the rules you seek to enforce to our discourse don’t apply to democrats.

They now live by any means to an end.

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Brian Katz's avatar

Trump knew Biden would be a disaster, and we now have 18 months of Biden policy blunders that prove Trump was right. So getting dirt on Biden from Zelenskyy was the right move. Remember, any means to an end applies to both parties.

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John Hansen's avatar

Because Trump was doing his job as a patriot trying to break through the now known to be corrupt Washington bureaucracy to warn the American people about the TRUE corruption of Joe Biden

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Terry's avatar

I’ll take Trump and his perfect phone calls over the traitorous crooks we have now.

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MH's avatar

I second that

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

I love the idea that investigating the guy who cut a deal with Chinese Communist Gongwen Dong is the real problem……..and the deal with Gongwen Dong is not a problem.

“Trying to investigate our crimes is the real crime.” Imagine what a depraved sack of shit you have to be in order to think that. Not shocking that these people are also pro-chomo.

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Anthony's avatar

Vote Blue no matter who no matter what they say or do

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james p mc grenra's avatar

i'm gonna use that...funny

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bcasey004's avatar

see in a world of bad choices I will take a drug addicted son of the president grifting for his next hi over the President of the United States shaking down a foreign leader in his official capacity for personal gain. But really I want neither and am totally disgusted.

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milllionthmonkeytyping's avatar

bc - maybe try voting based on the candidates policies? Just a thought

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Terry's avatar

Trump's policies were vastly superior to Biden's. We were safer and more prosperous under Trump.

I don't think Biden has enacted a single order or signed a single bill that has been good for America and for the world. In fact, the world's a more dangerous place since Biden took over.

Trump's phone call was the basis of an impeachment, which fizzled because even Democrats privately admitted that regardless of the propriety of his words, it didn't rise to an impeachable offense.

Now the Democrats have turned impeachment into a cheap political weapon to be brandished at every opportunity, a very dangerous and foolish strategy that will ultimately backfire. A majority GOP House will likely impeach Biden as soon as it is seated, and if the Senate by some miracle flips to GOP, Biden is in danger of being the first President in history to be convicted and removed from office.

Of course, then it would be President Kamala, who herself has some questionable actions that will invite investigation, for example her rhetorical and financial support for violent felony-level crimes during the 2020 riots including torching patrol cars, looting stores, burning down buildings, assaults and murders, etc.

Ultimately, 2024 can't come soon enough, and whoever inherits this mess will have quite a job to do.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

You do understand that JB "shook down" a former Ukrainian president by withholding foreign aid monies unless a prosecutor that was investigating the company providing payola to JBs son was fired right?

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Cornelius's avatar

When you say “the President of the United States shaking down a foreign leader in his official capacity for personal gain” are you referring to Joe Biden bragging about forcing the Ukrainians to remove the prosecutor investigating Hunter in return for a financial aid package? I f so I would hasten to point out Biden was VP at the time so nothing to see here.

But I digress. Sadly you have drawn some of us into that age old battle where we point out the flaws of some political leaders ad nauseam until we are all sated. I bid you farewell and wish you a pleasant weekend, I will not be further drawn into this basement of endless bickering. In the inimitable words of Willy Wonka, “Good day sir. GOOD DAY!”

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Gretchen Grace's avatar

I was waiting for someone to remind us of this. Every time someone brings up Trump's phone call, we should bring up Biden's. "Well son of bitch!"

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Your inability to discern the difference is truly comical. There was no personal gain for Trump. It was political gain. In Biden's case it was a grift. Not only personal gain but also taking laundered money from a foreign power. Arguably treason.

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Jon's avatar

I agree. Now, the raid on Mar-a-Lago, THAT was for Biden's political gain.

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Terry Brown's avatar

Absolutely correct but question is, Has Subtask become to revelent and the bot brains have been tasked to start non-thinking responses?

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bcasey004's avatar

I need you to say it was a perfect phone call though.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Interesting that you focus on that one line. The prototypical liberal mind at work. Elevate minutiae and ignore the issue at hand. It doesn't matter if Trump exaggerated. The call was not criminal. Biden's acceptance of laundered Chinese cash is. One doesn't have to even crack 100 on the IQ scale to figure that out.

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bcasey004's avatar

Now that's the content I am looking for! Chef's kiss my friend

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Bruce Miller's avatar

I guess that compliment deserves an apology for my snark. I will try to be better.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Yes but phones!!!!

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

If I was depraved and unintelligent I would think that a phone call is a good comp for starting an LLC with a Chinese spy.

Of course we now know that the FBI had an open Biden investigation at the time and Vindman basically committed treason.

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John Hansen's avatar

You need me to say it was a “perfect phone call” so you can present your straw man argument against the truth of the situation. Biden does not just have a sick son. Biden is completely compromised to CCP.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

And others. The Zelensky meme asking JB "[W]here's my money, Joe[?]" is spot on.

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John Hansen's avatar

What personal gain?

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

But his phone call.

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Joachim2's avatar

Don't forget the "whistleblower" process used. A "whistleblower" from inside the IC complains to the IC Inspector General who elevates to (Democrats on) the Intelligence Committee in the House.

One problem. The IC Inspector General (IG) is only authorized to receive and investigate complaints on matters under the purview of the IC (under the purview of the DNI (Director of National Intelligence) specifically).

IC IG had (and has) no authority even to receive a complaint about the President. (But Trump!)

The whole affair about the call was an assertion of IC authority (jurisdiction and process) over the office and person of the President of the U.S. (not in the list of DNI's authorities, in case anyone is wondering).

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Yes. What you’re describing would be a huge problem if DC was 50/50. But it’s not. DC is 95% Democrat (100% in practice) and as such this is fascism.

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