"In a press conference, DeSantis rather absurdly claimed that he’s just trying to address the border crisis by offering immigrants free transport to the kind of blue-state enclaves that claim to welcome them. "
In all seriousness, what is absurd about this, beyond liberal hypocrisy?
"In a press conference, DeSantis rather absurdly claimed that he’s just trying to address the border crisis by offering immigrants free transport to the kind of blue-state enclaves that claim to welcome them. "
In all seriousness, what is absurd about this, beyond liberal hypocrisy?
It’s absurd because it’s not working towards a legitimate solution. It’s like homelessness where people in one neighborhood complain and then the police sweep the homeless to another neighborhood, which then complains and the cycle continues with no solution. Any solution needs more than politicians shilling for votes. We need a three pronged approach: 1. faster asylum hearings 2. Stronger enforcement. 3. Penalties against employers who hire people not authorized to work here. Maybe something for those brought here as children. The problem is Ds will never go for 1 and 2 and Rs will never go for 3.
It was part of the amnesty signed years ago by Reagan and Republicans removed it. All I hear people like De Santis saying is "Democrats are doing nothing about immigration" but I don't hear any solutions or what they would do about it. At least Trump said he'd build a wall which was absurdly impossible but was better than just endlessly whining about Democrats.
Pemulis, I must admit, I have to agree. Seriously.
I have a measurement tool - it's called the McConnell Hypocrisy Meter.
If I measure this brilliant move pulled by DeSantis to expose the sanctuary nonsense of all those wealthy latte libs (who probably have never set foot in Texas to see the carnage of the letting loose of all those asylum seekers there), and compare it to McConnell's Garland reasoning vs his Barrett about face - I would call it a tie!
9 on 10 for each. Dems (as well as the MSM) having to come face to face with what they don't want to see on the Rio Grande. And the GOP, who in their quest for power, would do just about anything.
Let's hear it for hypocrisy, a non idealogical ingredient spiking the Kool aid being drunk by both parties.
Any journalist that is or at least hopes to be in any way associated with mainstream media absolutely HAS to make a profession of leftist faith before making a common sense remark. So in order to state how absurd is the hysterical reaction in Martha’s Vineyard to 50 illegals, this week’s host HAD to say something really nasty about DeSantis, to “balance” things. It might not buy her anything at all, but it’s a Pavlovian reaction. Any current or wanabee journalist understand “balance” not as stating facts, but throwing some mud in both directions. Last week’s host did exactly the same. These young journalists are so brainwashed they don’t really understand the real meaning of “center” or “common sense” anymore.
Most of us can see through to his actual motivation. He is not trying to help those people. It's obvious grandstanding to make a political point about progressive hypocrisy. However, terrible motivation does not make him incorrect. The Martha's are NIMBY about much more than just immigrants.
How else are we to get the attention needed to address the thousands of illegals flooding into our border states, that have overwhelmed us?
Funny how “grandstanding” only applies to DeSantis & Abbot, but Biden, Harris, KJP and the MSM get a total pass for their “grandstanding & motivation” I. Denying we have a border crisis!
“… DeSantis rathersbsurdlyclaimed …” DEAD giveaway which way Kat leans! Bet Kat has never come to the Texas border, but probably has friends who are Progressive Liberals. Please!!!
This was the most boring column that i ever read here and I hope that it isn't a sign that this is going to be what it has turned into - first last week's and now this . - I am interested in the goings on in Iran and hope for the best for the ladies but this isn't what I want on a Friday round-up - it is more of a complete news article. I look for the absurdities of the week's news so I can start the day laughing - there was nothing laughable today except for the MV transport which proves that deSantis has a sense of ironic humor - enough so to almost get my vote. -
"only jumping on the border crisis story when it was politically expedient, a point I will reluctantly concede."
Nice to hear that the author is willing to "reluctantly concede" the extremely obvious moral high ground. Whether it's Bari Weiss or any of her guest authors, this whole substack still really wishes it could be on Team Evil.
Agreed. You don't exactly have to be an inveterate political operative to ascertain that the point of this wasn't to show that the rich white liberals of New England would mistreat these illegal immigrants, but that forcing them to deal with a mere 50 illegal immigrants would provoke a huge mobilization (they called in the National Guard, for God's sake), with the implied contrast of the Biden administration refusing to help border communities dealing with 8,000 a day. It is absolutely a stunt, but it’s one that has successfully highlighted that there's an ongoing crisis that the Biden administration has exacerbated, and that the preening sanctimonious moralizers don't care about illegal immigration or the consequences until it slightly affects them.
I would have used "sarcastically" instead of absurdly - although each can apply here. DeSantis was intentionally baiting the believers in sanctuary cities and calling out their hypocrisy. Brilliant!
I have a hunch it was written with the intention to spur comments, conversation. Although I know better than to attempt mind reading. If so it was successful.
I mean...it's an absurd claim because that's not what he's doing. Sending 50 people to Martha's Vineyard isn't a serious attempt to fix the problems at the border, it's trolling political opponents.
It's fine if you agree with the trolling, but be clear-eyed about what he's doing. There's no point in pretending this is something it isn't.
I'm fine with what DeSantis did. But OK, the point has been made. Time to move on to the next steps -- propose legislation that will actually address the problem, and then force the Democrats to either respond to it, or admit that they're not interested in addressing the issue.
It looks to me as an attempt to make the problem visible. None of the MSM have been reporting on the border crisis except Fox. Yet, when Republicans were in charge Dems could go down there and shed crocodile tears at the fences.
It's not trolling. It was a masterful way of highlighting a border crisis that the media goes out of its way to ignore.
The reaction of this progressive enclave and their media handmaidens has proven that requests for resources and assistance at the border by Republican governors are rational responses from leaders charged with maintaining order within their jurisdictions.
I actually thought the more amusing stunt was Abbott sending three busloads (now) to Kamala's residence (Naval Observatory) after her comment on the Sunday shows that the border is secure.
Didn't get nearly as much coverage as MV, maybe as the MSM sees DeSantis as more of a threat in 2024 than Abbott.
I think you are right about DeSantis being a threat. But I also doubt that sending them to the VPs resident even registered on their radar - they have people to take care of that. Or I guess we have people to take care of that.
The reactions do a better job than any other tactic of exposing that the people with “All Are Welcome” yard signs are really imposing onto others the consequences of their pious virtue signaling.
Well you are in the right place for trolling, sadly, but in this case trolling is in the eye of the reader. I think DeSantis, and Abbott are 1) bringing media attention to a crisis of the first order and 2) demonstrating beautifully the hypocrisy of both the media and "In this neighborhood . . ." crowd.
It’s not trolling. It is drawing attention to the border crisis (a real and serious thing), which the MSM refuses to cover honestly. There is nothing good about this for the migrants nor our country. We need to control our border and have serious reforms to our immigration laws. I’m not saying keep everyone out, but have some kind of organized way to have people come here and work and bring them here safely. Right now the cartels and coyotes are making a fortune and many people are dying, or being raped and robbed as they make their way to the border. If it takes sending a few people to MV to draw attention to what us actually happening, it us well worth it. Oh yeah, the MSM didn’t mention any of that...just how bad DeSantis is.🙄
I can't help thinking that if the Republicans did a 180 and decided to *welcome* all migrants who were screened as likely to be productive citizens (the traffickers, drug runners, and Islamic terrorists should be screened out), and seek a fast path to citizenship for the productive ones, I think the Democrats would be falling over themselves to close the border.
The reality is that Hispanic voters are turning increasingly against the Democrats. Their cultural values align more with the Republicans. If Republicans were doing everything possible to HELP migrants become citizens, they would be a voting bloc to reckon with.
Touche. Very true. Dems are losing Hispanics big time, but, in smaller numbers also black and Asian voters. Dems need to figure out their positions and reckon with the fringe left before it's too late.
We've reached a point where "illegal" vs "legal" is meaningless. The people flowing over the border do not have the time or money to use the "legal" method. We need a screening method--like that used at Ellis Island--to distinguish the future good Americans from criminals, gang members, drug-runners, and Islamic terrorists.
Couldn't disagree more. These Governors should send ALL (Illegal immigrants) to one sanctuary city after another until the Dems pull their heads out of their asses. If they play it right, this strategy will work. If they didn't want them, why did they declare themselves sanctuary cities?... because it was a political stunt to virtue signal on Red States.
Daniel these governors have been begging for help for almost 2 years. Many of the commenters on here have been asking for anyone besides Fox to go down there and look around. It took this for anyone to notice. Also Greg Abbott has repeatedly invited Mayor Adams and Bowser to the border for a tour so they can have some more informed talking points for the press conferences but they prefer NOT to bring their cameras to the border. Why is that?
There is nothing that anyone outside the federal government can do to fix the border problem. And it is painfully obvious that as long as Democrats control the federal government, nothing will be done to fix the problem.
The entire point of sending these migrants to Democrat-run locations that claim to be sanctuaries is to display the hypocrisy of Democrats, who--quite predictably--screamed bloody murder when forced to deal with the same unexpected, unsanctioned arrival of border-crossers that towns along the border deal with every day.
Our ONLY hope of solving the border crisis is to vote the Democrats out of office. I don't have a huge amount of faith that the Republicans will actually manage to solve it, but at least Trump's approach staunched the flow, whereas Biden has more or less encouraged people to come over the border.
The next problem is optics, and with MSM in the pocket of the left, they are putting up a good fight to dispel their hypocrisy…and the vote will still be along party lines.
The best hope will be in the courts. Unfortunately, the best argument will be ‘but Biden shipped them out first’.
Not “more or less”. Biden has undone everything Trump was trying to do! In a video (I believe was shown during one of his rare outings from the basement) Biden stated that a country of 340 million citizens could certainly take in a couple million more. And, of course, his small audience clapped & agreed!
So if this was his plan, then WHY say our border is closed & secure??!!!
Virtue signaling aside, no issues with the great states of Florida and Texas spending their taxpayers hard earned money shipping migrants to sanctuary cities.
Just don't spend mine because I'd prefer to fund the campaign of the presidential candidate I choose the old fashioned way.
but it ain't state tax dollars paying for it....it's left over "funds" from the elebenty bajillion COVID dollars that were sent to the states. So DeSantis is using the money that Biden so generously "gave" to Florida to send the poor migrants to the wholesome liberal elitists in MV.
The money being spent to transport illegals was already set aside for Florida to use (voted on by both Reps & Dems) out of the $12 billion Fl. received in COVID relief funds. Since Fl. did such a fabulous job caring for its citizens during COVID (hence why so many Dems vacationed there) the money is available for the expense of moving illegals to Democrat run SANCTUARY STATES & CITIES - who profess to welcome them!
Ironically, the Dems. voted for Biden & his border policies (or lack of), yet now they are screaming that they had no warning!
Well guess what … border towns have NO warning of the hundreds who cross under cover of darkness! States that Biden flew plane loads into, under cover of
darkness, had warning of either! Yet, NO outrage until Red Border States said ENOUGH!
I live on the border, cross into Mexico daily taking a good paying job away from a Mexican National. Only warning we get is when the crowds under the International Bridge start getting bigger.
As a Florida resident, I have no problem whatsoever with my tax dollars being used to relocate those here illegally to the places that pretend to welcome them. I have no issue with the way my Governor rubs the lefts stupidity back in their faces. If more state leaders would grow a set, we might stand a chance of again seeing an America that we recognize. Forget Trump, DeSantis 2024
Trolling, yes. But also testing whether what they say is what they mean, and demonstrating that this is far from the case.
And I have trouble seeing the cruelty - a mere 50 in MV should surely be better cared for than tens of thousands at the border in Texas. More immigrants will eventually move further north on their own steam in any case, and this little push will hopefully get these states preparing for the influx.
No one seemed to be up-in-arms and wringing their hands when human traffickers left 52 (I believe) migrants to die in a truck in Bexar County. But 50 migrants taken to one of the nicest places in the US who literally said they wanted all people to be welcome there? No one seems to care that children are being trafficked for sex and servitude. Or that Fentanyl is pouring over the border and killing thousands of citizens. We have serious problems at the border that the media has ignored. And while I'm not a huge fan of Trump, his border policies were so far superior to what we have now.
The problem is that few have any steam. The federal government has been transporting them to 5 cities recently - Alexandria, Louisiana and 4 in Texas of which San Antonio is one. After 20 months of this Texas is picked dry and it is my understanding they are literally on the streets in San Antonio. The MV whining about "no resources" was galling. This is all on Joe Biden. All of it - the migrant deaths, the overwhelmed CBP, the financial drain on Texas (I suspect that is the goal), the trafficking of humans and drugs, and the fentanyl deaths.
El Paso is a town of about 700k. Now imagine similar numbers of "displaced travelers" in a town about 5% that size. Think about the impact to infrastructure, etc.
A few weeks back the local IHOP ran out of pancakes due to large volume provided to CBP to feed detainees. An IHOP without pancakes.
They do as long as the cameras are rolling....and then move them out to a miltiaty installation (MV), or a Republican suburb (Burr Ridge in the case of Chicago)
Horseshit. Not absurd at all. This isn’t to punk Dems, but the Dems media buds. The media simply have ignored the border in defense of their servants, the Dem Party.
idk that "wrong" is being assigned here but yes. Everyone knows Dems are morons and liars. Can you imagine taking them seriously? that would be absurd.
Ever seen the movie "Speed"? Today's Dem party is that bus. It's been hijacked by progressives, and forced to go along for the ride, but this isn't our father's Dem party. The party of the working class, blue collar American has become the party of wealthy elitists. I didn't leave the Dem party. They left me.
My Mom and her father were both Democrats to their core. Both have passed but I can guarantee that neither would be Dems today with the craziness they now represent.
They’re humans, not pawns on a chessboard. Giving them a bus ticket to a city where they have family is one thing… obviously they don’t have family in Martha’s Vinyard. DeSantis just tanked any chance of a presidential bid that he had. Tulsi Gabbard in 2024!
According to progressive thinking, they shouldn’t need to have family on Martha’s Vineyard. The whole progressive idea is that the community should band together to provide for the migrants’ welfare.
Community responsibility is key to the progressive concept of the rights of all to housing, healthcare, education, etc, etc.
Sending migrants to Martha’s Vineyard was simply putting progressive ideas into action, albeit in a high-profile way.
So it's better in our local community when the shelters are overwhelmed to just turn them loose on the street? Cuz that's what is happening now.
I live in a town of about 35k, we get that many and more every month of "temporarily displaced travelers" Takes resources away from local needs (the majority of the population here already lives below the poverty line).
In addition, there is a whole lot more dogs barking in the middle of the night than there used to be...sooner or later some resident is going to shoot a migrant in their backyard in the middle of the night....and that person will be castigated in the MSM for being a racist gun lover - instead of being someone trying to protect their home and family.
He “absurdly claimed” that he was sending the migrants to blue states that would welcome them. He was being ironic, probably sarcastic.
The claim is absurd because he was obviously pranking the press and tweaking the nose of liberals by sending a statistically irrelevant number of illegal migrants to Martha’s Vineyard, which will not accept them. Meanwhile, TX is sending them to the vice president’s house. All of this is a great way to point out the hypocrisy of elite liberals arguing for a destructive policy that barely affects them.
Like NotARobot, I’m a little disappointed in the hair-trigger of Common Sense’s readers, as they humorlessly misinterpret one line in an excellent article. Personally, I thought the whole article was great, and I laughed a number of times reading it. To me, Kat is funny, and she did a great job on this.
I might have read her “absurd” phrasing as generously as you have if she hadn’t followed it up by “reluctantly” conceding that Desantis had a point. If she was shooting for ironic humor I’d say she missed her mark. Kinda shot herself in the foot judging by the reaction.
In addition to seeming to be the preferred policy of first Obama and now Biden instead of actually establishing a secure border, the *Democrat* mayor of El Paso has been doing the same thing
"The Democrat-run city of El Paso has recently started bussing migrants into New York City, but has so far not seen the sort of attacks from liberal mayors and others that have faced Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott.
The border city, which has been at the front line of the massive migrant crisis that has raged since early 2021, has so far bused over 2,500 migrants to New York City since the end of August -- as well as about 150 migrants to Chicago."
"We're a nation-state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that ... as a practical matter, is unsustainable." - Obama, September 2021
I am not an Obama fan (far from it). However, he was right to stay out of Syria. I won't say a good word for any of the factions in Syria. However, that is exactly the point. Staying out was a wise choice. Obama also describes Libya as "the greatest mistake (thank you Hillary) of my administration". That is also correct.
The stupid part was drawing a "red line", and then ignoring when Russia crossed it. It made Obama look weak and compliant (not for the first time). Biden's people have been smart to not draw a "red line" in Ukraine. Leave Putin guessing.
I agree. Drawing a 'red line' and then backing off, made Obama look weak. When this happened, I made exactly the same points. Staying out of Syria was wise. Not enforcing a 'red line' was an error. Bush (41) said 'a line in the sand has been drawn'. Most people laughed. They weren't laughing after Saddam got his but kicked.
Personally I think the employment of this type of argument, coupled with the Bexar County (Texas) sheriff's " investigation" is a boon to those who recognize the border crisis for what it is. All kinds of individuals and groups have been transporting the border-crossers a over the nation for 20 months now. So everybody can do it but Abbott and DeSantis?
When I heard the "threat" of investigations I thought bring it on! Yes lets investigate every bus and plane of migrants moved around over the last couple years. Fine idea.
Kind of like how it was never racist for Bernie Sanders to vehemently oppose illegal immigration and advocate for very stringent legal immigration for almost his entire political career. It only became when Trump started saying it, and it's only racist now if a Republican enacts such policy.
American labor unions have historically and consistently been hardline opponents of immigration (and especially illegal immigration after federal laws were passed in the late 19th-early 20th centuries). Their argument was that these new arrivals would inevitably depress the wages of American workers. It was an economic argument not a racist one per se, though it was based on a rather static view of the potential for growth of the economic pie.
So Bernie Sanders was following in a hallowed labor union tradition of opposition. In effect, it is one view in competition with others on how to deal with those who wish to make their lives and futures on our shores. We really need to make some decisions soon.
On to another topic. The riots in Iran. The glassy eyed left love Islam. They, through blind ignorance, call it the religion of peace. It has never been the religion of peace. Read a history of Islam and you will find out the armies of Islam brutally slaughtered infidels by the hundreds of thousands and have always treated woman like crap yet the ignoramuses on the left, the feminist party, loves them. Like the Swedes if you tell the truth that Islam is a religion of thugs, they will call you a racist and an Islamophobe.
God bless the Democrats! How can anyone with half a brain vote for them?
It's all about hatred of Israel. If not for the fact that it is Islamic countries who are determined to wipe Israel off the map, the Left would be less fond of Islam. But the shared antisemitism of Leftists and Muslims is enough of an excuse to let the religious zealots of Islam have a pass.
You are right. The left is and always has been antisemitic. Joe Kennedy, father of JFK, hated, hated the Jews. some of that hatred had to rub off on his boys who are divine saints in the eyes of the left wing nut cases.
I would add there is anti-western element. The people protesting wave American flags as resistance and that is not acceptable to our anti-racist betters.
I live in Texas. The US government has been sending illegals, I mean undocumented Democrats, by the hundreds to San Antonio and other cities and towns in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico for over a year. I have never seen or heard a leftist whine and beat their chest that this was human trafficking or inhumane.
This puts a strain of the taxpayers of the border states. The Blue states and cities have been sanctuary states and cites for years. I would think they would welcome these undocumented Dems with open arms.
Are they the bunch of compassionate, humanitarians they claim to be or are they the hypocrites we all know they are?
The Constitution assigned immigration policy, including the transportation and handling of illegals, exclusively to the federal government. The feds can transport and drop off illegals in any state they wish because they have that legal right. State governments cannot touch or transport illegals, because they don't have any legal authority over immigration policy.
Yes, it's maddening for border states to be stuck with the tsunami because the feds won't revamp our broken immigration laws, but that's how it goes, legally. Biden can move illegals wherever he wants; DeSantis and Abbott cannot.
The problem with this argument is two-fold. 1) The governors are not doing anything touching on immigration. Transportation is not a part of a path to citizenship. Nor have the governors granted or denied the illegals citizenship. It is a non-issue. 2) Immigration is at the sole discretion of Congress not the executive (Article I, Section 8, Clause 4). So, Biden, like the governors is simply moving the illegals around. He is not granting or denying them citizenship. This was at the core of Obama’s (correct) comment that he didn’t have the authority to grant the dreamers citizenship (until he changed his mind at least).
It's so weird, us playing nice. But okay with me . . .
I agree, immigration laws and policy are set by Congress. But the executive is charged with enforcing them. That means only the federal government can legally move illegals around.
It's not immigration policy per se that's being violated by gubernatorial stunts in Florida and Texas. Federal law prohibits the unauthorized transport of illegals, and only federal employees are so authorized. Governors who ship illegals around the country for political theater risk violating that law. While the law is aimed at human traffickers, it can apply to governors and other non-federal actors:
"Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law." https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses
I doubt the Justice Department will press charges, due to the political ramifications. But it could, and would win if a judge was observing the law fairly.
Obama did not have the authority to grand citizenship. Neither did Trump and neither does Biden---that is the job of Congress. But neither do governors have the right to defraud people they believe here illegally into flying to the East Coast for "jobs" and "work permits" that do not exist.
'Defraud' - you mean after they signed a document explicitly stating that they agreed to be flown to Martha's Vineyard of their own free will? Your interpretation of the facts is laughable. You state that "Governors who ship illegals around the country for political theater risk violating that law". Well counselor, have you considered how the Chief Mouth Breather in the White House can be impeached and removed from office for “treason, bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors" - you know - like opening our Southern border to the world by knowingly and willingly failing to execute Federal immigration law.
Well, once they are in the country are they considered illegals? Don't they have freedom to get on busses and planes just like anyone else? Have they been coerced?
And it is not the Feds who won't revamp the immigration laws, it is the Democrats who refuse to address the problem, follow the law, and continue to use the these people as pawns in their human trafficking and smuggling game.
Kat, the author of this piece, exposes her fucking despicalbe bias here, disgustingly ignoring everything prior to them getting on a bus or plane. But then, what else should I expect from these pieces of debris stuck between the treads of my shoes? When the normalization of illegaliity and horror becomes the norm, you just blame the next conveneint CNN story on the other guy.
"what else should I expect from these pieces of debris stuck between the treads of my shoes?"
Aw, don't be so hard on yourself, Sumtimgwong, you're not debris.
"Once they are in the country, are they considered illegals?"
It depends. Asylum seekers who pass Border Patrol screening are in the United States legally. They get to stay here until their hearings on asylum. Those who bypass border control are here illegally and are, in fact, illegals. Illegals have the right to transport themselves as they wish, even though that exposes them to arrest if caught. But only the federal government can transport illegals for immigration policy needs. States and their governors CANNOT, which is what made DeSantis's and Abbott's transports felonies.
"And it is not the Feds who won't revamp the immigration laws, it is the Democrats who refuse to address the problem"
"The feds" are both Democrats and Republicans, because "the feds" means the federal government, not any particular party. Neither party has made any serious effort to fix our broken immigration system, and until they decide to do it, we will continue to be flooded with attempts to illegally cross our borders.
Please cite the code that only allows the USG to transport illegals.
And Feds usually mean FBI, and in a broader sense, any bureaucrat, not elected politicians.
So, Shane, go back to your hiding spot under the bridge in whatever country outside the US you are in and learn a little bit more about the cultural norms before you make an ass of yourself commenting.
I was born and raised in Chicago and currently live in Arizona, which makes the only ass in this conversation . . . you. But that's what being the detritus in your shoe treads gets you.
I live in Texas as well, in one of those border communities being impacted. Not only is the federal gubmint busing to other cities in Texas, but also down to Harlingen, Tx for flights to other parts of the country (dadgum human traffickers)
It gets really bad here when the local accommodations are overflowing, and the CBP releases migrants directly onto the streets here....if they promise to check in later.
I was flying up and down the east coast last summer and saw several migrants on every flight I was on. I'm not against immigration. I'm against the lying and hyporocrisy. Of course the Republican governors had to resort to this. A year and half of begging for help only resulted in being ignored or called racist.
It all happens because the Democrats view these immigrants as a captive voting bloc. I want to see the GOP make a serious effort to win this audience -- the opportunity window is open. Once the immigrants start voting Republican, you can bet the Democrats will be all for controlling the border.
Exactly! The reality is that most of these Latin Americans migrants have more in common with Republicans than they do with Leftists. They are religious, family-oriented, hard-working, and disgusted by Woke-ism. It is depressing that so many Republicans cannot see the opportunity right in front of them.
Personally, I would be more than willing to have a far more Hispanic populace--and even to learn Spanish--if it meant that we could get the Woke minions out of our government.
I recently put 4 kids through college ( where is my bailout?) and the only thing I required of them to be able to pursue whatever they wanted and have no debt was for them to learn Spanish. I paid for school/ summer abroad too for immersion. One of them chose to also go to China and is fluent in Mandarin. Languages are a gift (along with music, two things I didn't get growing up).
I just wish young people could look in the mirror and see a person and not a Party! They make it known they are a liberal or leftist even when they sound purple or slightly red!
Yep, well said. I blame the MSM, who stokes the fires of this divide, and attempts to pit us against each other over any small difference, whether skin color, sexual preference, economic position or political beliefs.
No Lillia thought this one way worse especially with astronaut suit and the Vaseline 🤣. Just want to ask if any of you saw the murder that took place in Park Slopes this past week when the one man would not thank the other for holding the door open a fight ensured and the victim was stabbed twice. Was wondering where The Panthers were???
Yip, this human was free to read or not read, even more so it could have posted it’s own opinion I would have been equally free to read or not to read, think it’s a newcomer probably get use to all of us humans😀😀
Yip when I last looked we were still a democracy and as Bari has always said this is a forum for my or your opinion you didn’t have to read it there was nobody holding a gun to your head.
"In a press conference, DeSantis rather absurdly claimed that he’s just trying to address the border crisis by offering immigrants free transport to the kind of blue-state enclaves that claim to welcome them. "
In all seriousness, what is absurd about this, beyond liberal hypocrisy?
It’s absurd because it’s not working towards a legitimate solution. It’s like homelessness where people in one neighborhood complain and then the police sweep the homeless to another neighborhood, which then complains and the cycle continues with no solution. Any solution needs more than politicians shilling for votes. We need a three pronged approach: 1. faster asylum hearings 2. Stronger enforcement. 3. Penalties against employers who hire people not authorized to work here. Maybe something for those brought here as children. The problem is Ds will never go for 1 and 2 and Rs will never go for 3.
Who are the Rs not going for 3?
It was part of the amnesty signed years ago by Reagan and Republicans removed it. All I hear people like De Santis saying is "Democrats are doing nothing about immigration" but I don't hear any solutions or what they would do about it. At least Trump said he'd build a wall which was absurdly impossible but was better than just endlessly whining about Democrats.
That was 1986... who would oppose it today?
Pemulis, I must admit, I have to agree. Seriously.
I have a measurement tool - it's called the McConnell Hypocrisy Meter.
If I measure this brilliant move pulled by DeSantis to expose the sanctuary nonsense of all those wealthy latte libs (who probably have never set foot in Texas to see the carnage of the letting loose of all those asylum seekers there), and compare it to McConnell's Garland reasoning vs his Barrett about face - I would call it a tie!
9 on 10 for each. Dems (as well as the MSM) having to come face to face with what they don't want to see on the Rio Grande. And the GOP, who in their quest for power, would do just about anything.
Let's hear it for hypocrisy, a non idealogical ingredient spiking the Kool aid being drunk by both parties.
yes, i wish she would have explained her reasoning behind this gratuitous remark.
Any journalist that is or at least hopes to be in any way associated with mainstream media absolutely HAS to make a profession of leftist faith before making a common sense remark. So in order to state how absurd is the hysterical reaction in Martha’s Vineyard to 50 illegals, this week’s host HAD to say something really nasty about DeSantis, to “balance” things. It might not buy her anything at all, but it’s a Pavlovian reaction. Any current or wanabee journalist understand “balance” not as stating facts, but throwing some mud in both directions. Last week’s host did exactly the same. These young journalists are so brainwashed they don’t really understand the real meaning of “center” or “common sense” anymore.
Sad but true.
And they would NEVER come to the border and witness the flood of illegals overwhelming border towns!
Most of us can see through to his actual motivation. He is not trying to help those people. It's obvious grandstanding to make a political point about progressive hypocrisy. However, terrible motivation does not make him incorrect. The Martha's are NIMBY about much more than just immigrants.
How else are we to get the attention needed to address the thousands of illegals flooding into our border states, that have overwhelmed us?
Funny how “grandstanding” only applies to DeSantis & Abbot, but Biden, Harris, KJP and the MSM get a total pass for their “grandstanding & motivation” I. Denying we have a border crisis!
I don't give them a pass. I wonder if Kat does?
“… DeSantis rathersbsurdlyclaimed …” DEAD giveaway which way Kat leans! Bet Kat has never come to the Texas border, but probably has friends who are Progressive Liberals. Please!!!
This was the most boring column that i ever read here and I hope that it isn't a sign that this is going to be what it has turned into - first last week's and now this . - I am interested in the goings on in Iran and hope for the best for the ladies but this isn't what I want on a Friday round-up - it is more of a complete news article. I look for the absurdities of the week's news so I can start the day laughing - there was nothing laughable today except for the MV transport which proves that deSantis has a sense of ironic humor - enough so to almost get my vote. -
"only jumping on the border crisis story when it was politically expedient, a point I will reluctantly concede."
Nice to hear that the author is willing to "reluctantly concede" the extremely obvious moral high ground. Whether it's Bari Weiss or any of her guest authors, this whole substack still really wishes it could be on Team Evil.
Agreed. You don't exactly have to be an inveterate political operative to ascertain that the point of this wasn't to show that the rich white liberals of New England would mistreat these illegal immigrants, but that forcing them to deal with a mere 50 illegal immigrants would provoke a huge mobilization (they called in the National Guard, for God's sake), with the implied contrast of the Biden administration refusing to help border communities dealing with 8,000 a day. It is absolutely a stunt, but it’s one that has successfully highlighted that there's an ongoing crisis that the Biden administration has exacerbated, and that the preening sanctimonious moralizers don't care about illegal immigration or the consequences until it slightly affects them.
https://euphoricrecall.substack.com/p/the-marthas-vineyard-imbroglio
I think that 50 illegals amounts to about an average of ten to fifteen minutes of apprehensions. Not counting the get aways and ones not seen.
Remember this exchange about whether it was a "crisis"? There are other clips in different outfits but I'll just put this one from March 2021 here.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-press-secretary-slips-calls-border-migrant/story?id=76540202
I would have used "sarcastically" instead of absurdly - although each can apply here. DeSantis was intentionally baiting the believers in sanctuary cities and calling out their hypocrisy. Brilliant!
I guess if that was the meaning it just went over my head.
He didn’t. It went to NJ. Get it yet?
the best part was when he sent an empty plane to Delaware.
Not when you realize he’s using taxpayer money to prank his political rivals like he’s a damn frat boy.
And if the majority of Floridians agree with what he did? Then they approve of the use of their tax money.
exactly. Let the Floridians express their dis/approval at the next election.
I have a hunch it was written with the intention to spur comments, conversation. Although I know better than to attempt mind reading. If so it was successful.
I mean...it's an absurd claim because that's not what he's doing. Sending 50 people to Martha's Vineyard isn't a serious attempt to fix the problems at the border, it's trolling political opponents.
It's fine if you agree with the trolling, but be clear-eyed about what he's doing. There's no point in pretending this is something it isn't.
I'm fine with what DeSantis did. But OK, the point has been made. Time to move on to the next steps -- propose legislation that will actually address the problem, and then force the Democrats to either respond to it, or admit that they're not interested in addressing the issue.
Unfortunately, with the Democrats in control of the Media, Congress can easily get away with not taking any Republican proposals seriously.
It looks to me as an attempt to make the problem visible. None of the MSM have been reporting on the border crisis except Fox. Yet, when Republicans were in charge Dems could go down there and shed crocodile tears at the fences.
It's not trolling. It was a masterful way of highlighting a border crisis that the media goes out of its way to ignore.
The reaction of this progressive enclave and their media handmaidens has proven that requests for resources and assistance at the border by Republican governors are rational responses from leaders charged with maintaining order within their jurisdictions.
I actually thought the more amusing stunt was Abbott sending three busloads (now) to Kamala's residence (Naval Observatory) after her comment on the Sunday shows that the border is secure.
Didn't get nearly as much coverage as MV, maybe as the MSM sees DeSantis as more of a threat in 2024 than Abbott.
I think you are right about DeSantis being a threat. But I also doubt that sending them to the VPs resident even registered on their radar - they have people to take care of that. Or I guess we have people to take care of that.
You nailed it! Thsnks
The reactions do a better job than any other tactic of exposing that the people with “All Are Welcome” yard signs are really imposing onto others the consequences of their pious virtue signaling.
Well you are in the right place for trolling, sadly, but in this case trolling is in the eye of the reader. I think DeSantis, and Abbott are 1) bringing media attention to a crisis of the first order and 2) demonstrating beautifully the hypocrisy of both the media and "In this neighborhood . . ." crowd.
And its kinda delicious.
Daniel
DeSantis didn’t troll anyone. He brilliantly exposed the stupidity and hypocrisy of Leftists. You have exposed your bias and dishonesty.
Terence.
Learn to disagree without being disagreeable.
It’s not trolling. It is drawing attention to the border crisis (a real and serious thing), which the MSM refuses to cover honestly. There is nothing good about this for the migrants nor our country. We need to control our border and have serious reforms to our immigration laws. I’m not saying keep everyone out, but have some kind of organized way to have people come here and work and bring them here safely. Right now the cartels and coyotes are making a fortune and many people are dying, or being raped and robbed as they make their way to the border. If it takes sending a few people to MV to draw attention to what us actually happening, it us well worth it. Oh yeah, the MSM didn’t mention any of that...just how bad DeSantis is.🙄
I think it is trolling....but the more humorous, good kind of trolling.
Exposes those Mayors as hypocrites, and also the MSM talking heads as well.
I can't help thinking that if the Republicans did a 180 and decided to *welcome* all migrants who were screened as likely to be productive citizens (the traffickers, drug runners, and Islamic terrorists should be screened out), and seek a fast path to citizenship for the productive ones, I think the Democrats would be falling over themselves to close the border.
The reality is that Hispanic voters are turning increasingly against the Democrats. Their cultural values align more with the Republicans. If Republicans were doing everything possible to HELP migrants become citizens, they would be a voting bloc to reckon with.
Touche. Very true. Dems are losing Hispanics big time, but, in smaller numbers also black and Asian voters. Dems need to figure out their positions and reckon with the fringe left before it's too late.
GOP WELCOME ALL LEGAL IMMIGRANTS! We just remember the ones that have to wait in line to come through the "lawful" way!
We've reached a point where "illegal" vs "legal" is meaningless. The people flowing over the border do not have the time or money to use the "legal" method. We need a screening method--like that used at Ellis Island--to distinguish the future good Americans from criminals, gang members, drug-runners, and Islamic terrorists.
GOP should just do what the Democrats have been doing for over 100 years. "here's an apartment, here's a job. Vote for this guy/gal."
Couldn't disagree more. These Governors should send ALL (Illegal immigrants) to one sanctuary city after another until the Dems pull their heads out of their asses. If they play it right, this strategy will work. If they didn't want them, why did they declare themselves sanctuary cities?... because it was a political stunt to virtue signal on Red States.
If there were a concerted effort to move immigrants to sanctuary cities, that would be a serious attempt to fic the problems at the border.
Sending 50 people to Martha's Vineyard is not that.
https://hwfo.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-should-just-go-for-it
Daniel these governors have been begging for help for almost 2 years. Many of the commenters on here have been asking for anyone besides Fox to go down there and look around. It took this for anyone to notice. Also Greg Abbott has repeatedly invited Mayor Adams and Bowser to the border for a tour so they can have some more informed talking points for the press conferences but they prefer NOT to bring their cameras to the border. Why is that?
There is nothing that anyone outside the federal government can do to fix the border problem. And it is painfully obvious that as long as Democrats control the federal government, nothing will be done to fix the problem.
The entire point of sending these migrants to Democrat-run locations that claim to be sanctuaries is to display the hypocrisy of Democrats, who--quite predictably--screamed bloody murder when forced to deal with the same unexpected, unsanctioned arrival of border-crossers that towns along the border deal with every day.
Our ONLY hope of solving the border crisis is to vote the Democrats out of office. I don't have a huge amount of faith that the Republicans will actually manage to solve it, but at least Trump's approach staunched the flow, whereas Biden has more or less encouraged people to come over the border.
I'm voting for gators to be relocated from Florida and released into the Rio Grande.
Or is that kidnapping or trafficking?
I sure hope that don't offend PETA
The next problem is optics, and with MSM in the pocket of the left, they are putting up a good fight to dispel their hypocrisy…and the vote will still be along party lines.
The best hope will be in the courts. Unfortunately, the best argument will be ‘but Biden shipped them out first’.
Not “more or less”. Biden has undone everything Trump was trying to do! In a video (I believe was shown during one of his rare outings from the basement) Biden stated that a country of 340 million citizens could certainly take in a couple million more. And, of course, his small audience clapped & agreed!
So if this was his plan, then WHY say our border is closed & secure??!!!
Virtue signaling aside, no issues with the great states of Florida and Texas spending their taxpayers hard earned money shipping migrants to sanctuary cities.
Just don't spend mine because I'd prefer to fund the campaign of the presidential candidate I choose the old fashioned way.
but it ain't state tax dollars paying for it....it's left over "funds" from the elebenty bajillion COVID dollars that were sent to the states. So DeSantis is using the money that Biden so generously "gave" to Florida to send the poor migrants to the wholesome liberal elitists in MV.
The money being spent to transport illegals was already set aside for Florida to use (voted on by both Reps & Dems) out of the $12 billion Fl. received in COVID relief funds. Since Fl. did such a fabulous job caring for its citizens during COVID (hence why so many Dems vacationed there) the money is available for the expense of moving illegals to Democrat run SANCTUARY STATES & CITIES - who profess to welcome them!
Ironically, the Dems. voted for Biden & his border policies (or lack of), yet now they are screaming that they had no warning!
Well guess what … border towns have NO warning of the hundreds who cross under cover of darkness! States that Biden flew plane loads into, under cover of
darkness, had warning of either! Yet, NO outrage until Red Border States said ENOUGH!
Had NO warning
I live on the border, cross into Mexico daily taking a good paying job away from a Mexican National. Only warning we get is when the crowds under the International Bridge start getting bigger.
Linus they ARE protecting their states. They've been pleading for help for almost 2 years. They had to do SOMETHING to get some relief.
As a Florida resident, I have no problem whatsoever with my tax dollars being used to relocate those here illegally to the places that pretend to welcome them. I have no issue with the way my Governor rubs the lefts stupidity back in their faces. If more state leaders would grow a set, we might stand a chance of again seeing an America that we recognize. Forget Trump, DeSantis 2024
I bet these governors could start gofundmes for busses and border state residents would volunteer a lot of money
This is about getting Democrats to stop ignoring the border crisis... Which is taking a hell of a lot of your tax payer dollars.
One plane flight seems cheaper than housing and feeding 50 migrants... or am I misunderstanding your point?
Trolling, yes. But also testing whether what they say is what they mean, and demonstrating that this is far from the case.
And I have trouble seeing the cruelty - a mere 50 in MV should surely be better cared for than tens of thousands at the border in Texas. More immigrants will eventually move further north on their own steam in any case, and this little push will hopefully get these states preparing for the influx.
No one seemed to be up-in-arms and wringing their hands when human traffickers left 52 (I believe) migrants to die in a truck in Bexar County. But 50 migrants taken to one of the nicest places in the US who literally said they wanted all people to be welcome there? No one seems to care that children are being trafficked for sex and servitude. Or that Fentanyl is pouring over the border and killing thousands of citizens. We have serious problems at the border that the media has ignored. And while I'm not a huge fan of Trump, his border policies were so far superior to what we have now.
The problem is that few have any steam. The federal government has been transporting them to 5 cities recently - Alexandria, Louisiana and 4 in Texas of which San Antonio is one. After 20 months of this Texas is picked dry and it is my understanding they are literally on the streets in San Antonio. The MV whining about "no resources" was galling. This is all on Joe Biden. All of it - the migrant deaths, the overwhelmed CBP, the financial drain on Texas (I suspect that is the goal), the trafficking of humans and drugs, and the fentanyl deaths.
It obviously can't be an issue, the gubmint reduced the CBP budget by about $254M for the upcoming fiscal year. (for enforcement and removal)
Though the gubmint did bump up the budget by $40M for "improving detainee phone access"
El Paso is in dire straights with thousands of migrants on the streets there.
El Paso is a town of about 700k. Now imagine similar numbers of "displaced travelers" in a town about 5% that size. Think about the impact to infrastructure, etc.
A few weeks back the local IHOP ran out of pancakes due to large volume provided to CBP to feed detainees. An IHOP without pancakes.
The writer makes a point that I made in previous comments - whole bunch of "In This House We Believe..." signs got took down in a hurry last week.
I saw that.
Sanctuary cities should welcome illegal immigrants.
They do as long as the cameras are rolling....and then move them out to a miltiaty installation (MV), or a Republican suburb (Burr Ridge in the case of Chicago)
It's absurd because he taking the the virtue signaling of the left seriously.
Horseshit. Not absurd at all. This isn’t to punk Dems, but the Dems media buds. The media simply have ignored the border in defense of their servants, the Dem Party.
Exactly!
So is the argument then that DeSantis is in the wrong due to the left just obviously not actually meaning what they say?
idk that "wrong" is being assigned here but yes. Everyone knows Dems are morons and liars. Can you imagine taking them seriously? that would be absurd.
Ever seen the movie "Speed"? Today's Dem party is that bus. It's been hijacked by progressives, and forced to go along for the ride, but this isn't our father's Dem party. The party of the working class, blue collar American has become the party of wealthy elitists. I didn't leave the Dem party. They left me.
My Mom and her father were both Democrats to their core. Both have passed but I can guarantee that neither would be Dems today with the craziness they now represent.
They've been flirting with Marxism as long as I can remember
The author is pretty clearly an unfunny clown. His attempts at humor are sophomoric and his attempts at pinions the right are flat
I think she’s funny. Y’all sure get butt hurt when someone says anything negative about a Republican… yer as tribal and simple as the left.
They’re humans, not pawns on a chessboard. Giving them a bus ticket to a city where they have family is one thing… obviously they don’t have family in Martha’s Vinyard. DeSantis just tanked any chance of a presidential bid that he had. Tulsi Gabbard in 2024!
According to progressive thinking, they shouldn’t need to have family on Martha’s Vineyard. The whole progressive idea is that the community should band together to provide for the migrants’ welfare.
Community responsibility is key to the progressive concept of the rights of all to housing, healthcare, education, etc, etc.
Sending migrants to Martha’s Vineyard was simply putting progressive ideas into action, albeit in a high-profile way.
"It takes a village"
- Crazy old battleaxe
So it's better in our local community when the shelters are overwhelmed to just turn them loose on the street? Cuz that's what is happening now.
I live in a town of about 35k, we get that many and more every month of "temporarily displaced travelers" Takes resources away from local needs (the majority of the population here already lives below the poverty line).
In addition, there is a whole lot more dogs barking in the middle of the night than there used to be...sooner or later some resident is going to shoot a migrant in their backyard in the middle of the night....and that person will be castigated in the MSM for being a racist gun lover - instead of being someone trying to protect their home and family.
It is a miracle that hasn't already happened. The victim will be vilified.
If by "victim" you mean homeowner/shooter I agree
Mind arguing on the actual topic? What exactly is absurd about what DeSantis did?
He “absurdly claimed” that he was sending the migrants to blue states that would welcome them. He was being ironic, probably sarcastic.
The claim is absurd because he was obviously pranking the press and tweaking the nose of liberals by sending a statistically irrelevant number of illegal migrants to Martha’s Vineyard, which will not accept them. Meanwhile, TX is sending them to the vice president’s house. All of this is a great way to point out the hypocrisy of elite liberals arguing for a destructive policy that barely affects them.
Like NotARobot, I’m a little disappointed in the hair-trigger of Common Sense’s readers, as they humorlessly misinterpret one line in an excellent article. Personally, I thought the whole article was great, and I laughed a number of times reading it. To me, Kat is funny, and she did a great job on this.
I might have read her “absurd” phrasing as generously as you have if she hadn’t followed it up by “reluctantly” conceding that Desantis had a point. If she was shooting for ironic humor I’d say she missed her mark. Kinda shot herself in the foot judging by the reaction.
Me too Rich.
“Her” not”his”. I think. These days one can’t be sure.
prolly safer just to use "them/theirs
I am a semi redneck, I talked in them pronouns all my life
🤣🤣you right, probably safer in future it’s them/theirs
Maybe a preferred noun?
It's probably clearly listed on her Twitter profile
Do the work
LOL
In addition to seeming to be the preferred policy of first Obama and now Biden instead of actually establishing a secure border, the *Democrat* mayor of El Paso has been doing the same thing
"The Democrat-run city of El Paso has recently started bussing migrants into New York City, but has so far not seen the sort of attacks from liberal mayors and others that have faced Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott.
The border city, which has been at the front line of the massive migrant crisis that has raged since early 2021, has so far bused over 2,500 migrants to New York City since the end of August -- as well as about 150 migrants to Chicago."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrat-run-el-paso-escapes-liberal-mayors-ire-busing-migrants
"We're a nation-state. We have borders. The idea that we can just have open borders is something that ... as a practical matter, is unsustainable." - Obama, September 2021
So Obama, at one point in time, wasn’t wrong about absolutely everything.
I am not an Obama fan (far from it). However, he was right to stay out of Syria. I won't say a good word for any of the factions in Syria. However, that is exactly the point. Staying out was a wise choice. Obama also describes Libya as "the greatest mistake (thank you Hillary) of my administration". That is also correct.
The stupid part was drawing a "red line", and then ignoring when Russia crossed it. It made Obama look weak and compliant (not for the first time). Biden's people have been smart to not draw a "red line" in Ukraine. Leave Putin guessing.
I agree. Drawing a 'red line' and then backing off, made Obama look weak. When this happened, I made exactly the same points. Staying out of Syria was wise. Not enforcing a 'red line' was an error. Bush (41) said 'a line in the sand has been drawn'. Most people laughed. They weren't laughing after Saddam got his but kicked.
He did say that but he said a lot of things that were expedient. He later recanted and opened the borders.
You don't think he lied, do you?
Oh, I know that he lied. And, he’s worse than ever now.
Personally I think the employment of this type of argument, coupled with the Bexar County (Texas) sheriff's " investigation" is a boon to those who recognize the border crisis for what it is. All kinds of individuals and groups have been transporting the border-crossers a over the nation for 20 months now. So everybody can do it but Abbott and DeSantis?
When I heard the "threat" of investigations I thought bring it on! Yes lets investigate every bus and plane of migrants moved around over the last couple years. Fine idea.
Kind of like how it was never racist for Bernie Sanders to vehemently oppose illegal immigration and advocate for very stringent legal immigration for almost his entire political career. It only became when Trump started saying it, and it's only racist now if a Republican enacts such policy.
American labor unions have historically and consistently been hardline opponents of immigration (and especially illegal immigration after federal laws were passed in the late 19th-early 20th centuries). Their argument was that these new arrivals would inevitably depress the wages of American workers. It was an economic argument not a racist one per se, though it was based on a rather static view of the potential for growth of the economic pie.
So Bernie Sanders was following in a hallowed labor union tradition of opposition. In effect, it is one view in competition with others on how to deal with those who wish to make their lives and futures on our shores. We really need to make some decisions soon.
Very very soon like November maybe
On to another topic. The riots in Iran. The glassy eyed left love Islam. They, through blind ignorance, call it the religion of peace. It has never been the religion of peace. Read a history of Islam and you will find out the armies of Islam brutally slaughtered infidels by the hundreds of thousands and have always treated woman like crap yet the ignoramuses on the left, the feminist party, loves them. Like the Swedes if you tell the truth that Islam is a religion of thugs, they will call you a racist and an Islamophobe.
God bless the Democrats! How can anyone with half a brain vote for them?
It's all about hatred of Israel. If not for the fact that it is Islamic countries who are determined to wipe Israel off the map, the Left would be less fond of Islam. But the shared antisemitism of Leftists and Muslims is enough of an excuse to let the religious zealots of Islam have a pass.
You are right. The left is and always has been antisemitic. Joe Kennedy, father of JFK, hated, hated the Jews. some of that hatred had to rub off on his boys who are divine saints in the eyes of the left wing nut cases.
I would add there is anti-western element. The people protesting wave American flags as resistance and that is not acceptable to our anti-racist betters.
I live in Texas. The US government has been sending illegals, I mean undocumented Democrats, by the hundreds to San Antonio and other cities and towns in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico for over a year. I have never seen or heard a leftist whine and beat their chest that this was human trafficking or inhumane.
This puts a strain of the taxpayers of the border states. The Blue states and cities have been sanctuary states and cites for years. I would think they would welcome these undocumented Dems with open arms.
Are they the bunch of compassionate, humanitarians they claim to be or are they the hypocrites we all know they are?
The Constitution assigned immigration policy, including the transportation and handling of illegals, exclusively to the federal government. The feds can transport and drop off illegals in any state they wish because they have that legal right. State governments cannot touch or transport illegals, because they don't have any legal authority over immigration policy.
Yes, it's maddening for border states to be stuck with the tsunami because the feds won't revamp our broken immigration laws, but that's how it goes, legally. Biden can move illegals wherever he wants; DeSantis and Abbott cannot.
The problem with this argument is two-fold. 1) The governors are not doing anything touching on immigration. Transportation is not a part of a path to citizenship. Nor have the governors granted or denied the illegals citizenship. It is a non-issue. 2) Immigration is at the sole discretion of Congress not the executive (Article I, Section 8, Clause 4). So, Biden, like the governors is simply moving the illegals around. He is not granting or denying them citizenship. This was at the core of Obama’s (correct) comment that he didn’t have the authority to grant the dreamers citizenship (until he changed his mind at least).
It's so weird, us playing nice. But okay with me . . .
I agree, immigration laws and policy are set by Congress. But the executive is charged with enforcing them. That means only the federal government can legally move illegals around.
It's not immigration policy per se that's being violated by gubernatorial stunts in Florida and Texas. Federal law prohibits the unauthorized transport of illegals, and only federal employees are so authorized. Governors who ship illegals around the country for political theater risk violating that law. While the law is aimed at human traffickers, it can apply to governors and other non-federal actors:
"Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law." https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses
I doubt the Justice Department will press charges, due to the political ramifications. But it could, and would win if a judge was observing the law fairly.
Obama did not have the authority to grand citizenship. Neither did Trump and neither does Biden---that is the job of Congress. But neither do governors have the right to defraud people they believe here illegally into flying to the East Coast for "jobs" and "work permits" that do not exist.
'Defraud' - you mean after they signed a document explicitly stating that they agreed to be flown to Martha's Vineyard of their own free will? Your interpretation of the facts is laughable. You state that "Governors who ship illegals around the country for political theater risk violating that law". Well counselor, have you considered how the Chief Mouth Breather in the White House can be impeached and removed from office for “treason, bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors" - you know - like opening our Southern border to the world by knowingly and willingly failing to execute Federal immigration law.
Well, once they are in the country are they considered illegals? Don't they have freedom to get on busses and planes just like anyone else? Have they been coerced?
And it is not the Feds who won't revamp the immigration laws, it is the Democrats who refuse to address the problem, follow the law, and continue to use the these people as pawns in their human trafficking and smuggling game.
Kat, the author of this piece, exposes her fucking despicalbe bias here, disgustingly ignoring everything prior to them getting on a bus or plane. But then, what else should I expect from these pieces of debris stuck between the treads of my shoes? When the normalization of illegaliity and horror becomes the norm, you just blame the next conveneint CNN story on the other guy.
"what else should I expect from these pieces of debris stuck between the treads of my shoes?"
Aw, don't be so hard on yourself, Sumtimgwong, you're not debris.
"Once they are in the country, are they considered illegals?"
It depends. Asylum seekers who pass Border Patrol screening are in the United States legally. They get to stay here until their hearings on asylum. Those who bypass border control are here illegally and are, in fact, illegals. Illegals have the right to transport themselves as they wish, even though that exposes them to arrest if caught. But only the federal government can transport illegals for immigration policy needs. States and their governors CANNOT, which is what made DeSantis's and Abbott's transports felonies.
"And it is not the Feds who won't revamp the immigration laws, it is the Democrats who refuse to address the problem"
"The feds" are both Democrats and Republicans, because "the feds" means the federal government, not any particular party. Neither party has made any serious effort to fix our broken immigration system, and until they decide to do it, we will continue to be flooded with attempts to illegally cross our borders.
Hard on myself? Lol.
Please cite the code that only allows the USG to transport illegals.
And Feds usually mean FBI, and in a broader sense, any bureaucrat, not elected politicians.
So, Shane, go back to your hiding spot under the bridge in whatever country outside the US you are in and learn a little bit more about the cultural norms before you make an ass of yourself commenting.
I was born and raised in Chicago and currently live in Arizona, which makes the only ass in this conversation . . . you. But that's what being the detritus in your shoe treads gets you.
This is a helpful comment. (But my device will not let me “like” it.) Thank you!
You're very welcome, SallyWally. Have a great weekend.
They have been getting to bussed to the Florida panhandle area for sure for over a year. Crickets.
I live in Texas as well, in one of those border communities being impacted. Not only is the federal gubmint busing to other cities in Texas, but also down to Harlingen, Tx for flights to other parts of the country (dadgum human traffickers)
It gets really bad here when the local accommodations are overflowing, and the CBP releases migrants directly onto the streets here....if they promise to check in later.
I rest my case.
I was flying up and down the east coast last summer and saw several migrants on every flight I was on. I'm not against immigration. I'm against the lying and hyporocrisy. Of course the Republican governors had to resort to this. A year and half of begging for help only resulted in being ignored or called racist.
It all happens because the Democrats view these immigrants as a captive voting bloc. I want to see the GOP make a serious effort to win this audience -- the opportunity window is open. Once the immigrants start voting Republican, you can bet the Democrats will be all for controlling the border.
Exactly! The reality is that most of these Latin Americans migrants have more in common with Republicans than they do with Leftists. They are religious, family-oriented, hard-working, and disgusted by Woke-ism. It is depressing that so many Republicans cannot see the opportunity right in front of them.
Personally, I would be more than willing to have a far more Hispanic populace--and even to learn Spanish--if it meant that we could get the Woke minions out of our government.
I recently put 4 kids through college ( where is my bailout?) and the only thing I required of them to be able to pursue whatever they wanted and have no debt was for them to learn Spanish. I paid for school/ summer abroad too for immersion. One of them chose to also go to China and is fluent in Mandarin. Languages are a gift (along with music, two things I didn't get growing up).
The last comment!
I just wish young people could look in the mirror and see a person and not a Party! They make it known they are a liberal or leftist even when they sound purple or slightly red!
Yep, well said. I blame the MSM, who stokes the fires of this divide, and attempts to pit us against each other over any small difference, whether skin color, sexual preference, economic position or political beliefs.
Started reading this TGIF but it wasn’t for me, actually to be honest thought it was one of the worst so far!
Disagree. Great work by Kat. But I defend your viewpoint because free speech remains one of our greatest gifts.
Uh, no, that was last week. That one was bad, bad, bad.
No Lillia thought this one way worse especially with astronaut suit and the Vaseline 🤣. Just want to ask if any of you saw the murder that took place in Park Slopes this past week when the one man would not thank the other for holding the door open a fight ensured and the victim was stabbed twice. Was wondering where The Panthers were???
I hadn't seen that.
Good for you Skinny. This is supposed to be a free speech forum.
Thank you Lonesome!
Once you got past the stupid MV DeSantis bashing, it was pretty good.
The Russia denial is still pretty brutal
But you had to share your opinion?
uh...that's what the comments section is for, no?
Yip, this human was free to read or not read, even more so it could have posted it’s own opinion I would have been equally free to read or not to read, think it’s a newcomer probably get use to all of us humans😀😀
Yip when I last looked we were still a democracy and as Bari has always said this is a forum for my or your opinion you didn’t have to read it there was nobody holding a gun to your head.