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Sue's avatar

Fantastic podcast-everything about it including music is great. I find myself looking everyday to see if a new episode dropped. In this episode I found Natalie and Noah both captivating and intelligent. Noah being just 17 is extremely intelligent. I wonder if this intelligence drives his anxiety and over thinking. I have a 17 year old son and he and his peers seemed to become monosyllabic grunters at puberty. I can’t imagine any of them speaking this thoughtfully and with such insight. Noah is probably on the high IQ side and because of this might always feel like an outsider. In Natalie’s case all the battles she is fighting seem virtual. In the real world trans people are a protected class and cannot be discriminated against. A conservative court ruled on this. Having to work out the complexities in regards to shelters, prisons, locker rooms and sports is the reality of the situation. The idea that if you discuss these complexities you’re a veiled bigot is illogical thinking. This goes back to the post by Haidt last week. There is a lot of disordered thinking going on that could be helped with CBT. Natalie mentioned how offensive it is to say this increase in trans kids is driven by the internet but I think this disordered way of thinking is. Living in physical reality and having to conform your mind to live with the limitations of reality is an anecdote to anxiety and depression. It’s agency-I can’t control reality but I can control my reaction to it. Natalie and Noah are young. They probably have no idea that in the second half of their life their entire relationship with their body will change and it functioning without pain or disease will become dominant. It’s considered conversion therapy if you don’t affirm but wouldn’t it be helpful if at first you taught a child not to treat their feelings as the gospel and tools to fight disordered thinking. They may still want surgery but what a gift you will have given them if you teach them how to get out of the disordered thinking that is making them so anxious, depressed and traumatized.

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Current Resident's avatar

Good insights. But the reason Noah is so articulate compared to most 17-year old boys is that Noah is female.

Still, I was interested in hearing from someone who went through the process. Let's see what Noah thinks in five, 10, or 25 years.

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Jeff Cunningham's avatar

Exactly. I was going to add that "the jury is still out" but realized the jury hasnt been formed yet. They havent set a venue even yet.

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Marie's avatar

What's the charge?

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Jeff Cunningham's avatar

I was responding to Current Resident's ultimate sentence: "Still, I was interested in hearing from someone who went through the process. Let's see what Noah thinks in five, 10, or 25 years." Noah and people like him will be the jury. Charges are still being formulated, I think.

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Jeff Cunningham's avatar

Excellent comment.

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