This has quickly become one of my favorite podcast series. The interview with Natalie was another great episode. I think Natalie is an intelligent, caring, and articulate person, but her argument ultimately left me unconvinced. The final nail in the coffin for me was when she called on J. K. Rowling to leave her position of feeling hurt …
This has quickly become one of my favorite podcast series. The interview with Natalie was another great episode. I think Natalie is an intelligent, caring, and articulate person, but her argument ultimately left me unconvinced. The final nail in the coffin for me was when she called on J. K. Rowling to leave her position of feeling hurt and victimization to try and consider the other side’s opinion. What’s truly astounding about this is it is exactly what the trans activist side refuses to do! I’ve listened to and considered their arguments, and Rowling has made it clear she’s done far more listening to the “other side” than any of the people cancelling her could claim to have done. They make the same vague statements toward victimization and justifications for silencing others every time. Stop with the talk of “responsibility that comes with your platform” (aka agree with us or be silent) and “we’re just fighting for the right to participate in society”. No, you’re wrong. Full stop. You are not being stopped from meaningfully participating in society in any way and are trying to impose your self-identity on everyone, with real-world consequences.
Megan is an excellent host and her compassion, patience, and understanding are truly commendable. Giving Natalie this platform to express the trans’ perspective was enlightening and an important step to giving the full picture on this complicated issue. I’ve expressed my doubt about the Free Press’ ability to reach an audience beyond conservatives and disaffected liberals, to reach the far left activists who most need to have a mirror held up in front of them. I think this podcast, and this episode in particular, could be the most effective attempt to do so thus far.
Thank you! I felt the same way while listening to that interview. Megan thanked her over and over and over again for deigning to speak with her, all the while Natalie was allowed to avoid all the hard questions and promote untruths.
Ugh yes! So many untruths! How trans people think the government is against them, and that they’re being persecuted at every turn and that they share zero basic rights is bonkers crazy. Which should not be surprising at all. What a fucked up upside down world view being forced on the masses.
My biggest issue with Natalie’s latest statement is that it makes it clear that it is an imperative of hers to delegitimatize the other side of the debate to the point that having a debate with such opposition is seen as problematic in itself. This need to discredit without debating comes from her absolute and quasi-religious certainty that she is part of the right side of history. Such belief, in turn, blinds her to how her zealotry is perceived by the silent majority (i.e., the portion of the population that is more than willing to be quite tolerant of trans individuals but that draws a line when beliefs and ideas are being imposed). In that regard, her brand of trans activism is quite counterproductive; her arguments on trans topics are not convincing anyone aside from the small portion of the population whose general political views already closely align with hers.
That's why platforming her position can be productive, IMO. Natalie's statement doesn't blind us, it exposes the cult. She digs her own grave by illustrating that the only way she can justify her beliefs is by regurgitating myths that keep "kindly" people (head-in-the-sand libs) from looking too deeply at the matter. By saying that trans people are persecuted everywhere or that the government is against trans rights, or that detransitioners are a tiny percentage of the population, she loses ground. Because those are false claims. Of course one would have to seek out the true information... which is difficult when your head is in the sand lol, but I know there are some people (my husband for one) who are more likely to listen to a pod like this since it gives the other side a chance to speak. So many people are sick of the tribalist road rage that the internet has become, and yearn for nuance and calm conversations that aren't just trying to sew outrage. This delivers, and FWIW validates our position even more.
I can't wait to hear JK's response on the next episode. And I hope they bust the myth that keeps so many well-meaning parents toting their children to gender clinics: that there's a 40% suicide risk if these kids aren't affirmed. Can someone show me the dead bodies from all those "un-affirmed" kids prior to 2015? What a crock.
A pro-gender affirming care therapist took the stand in the state legislature of Nebraska to claim that it was myth that parents were being coerced into agreeing to these treatments (though threats of potential suicide by doctors/experts). All this while protesters are outside holding signs and screaming about how limiting gender affirming care for minors constitutes trans genocide. Those advocating for gender affirming are for minors do not notice the incongruence and the fact that many are now able to see through their manipulative tactics.
You are correct. Three separate systematic reviews have concluded that when in comes to puberty blockers and hormones for minors there is a lack of evidence and a lack of consensus with regards to:
-the reason behind the spike in demand for this treatments
-the benefits of these interventions
-the risk factors involved
-the type of patient who may benefit from these treatments versus those who will not
I'm from Nebraska and State Senator Megan Hunt, a bisexual legislature who is blocking this legislation, today said her 12 year old child is transitioning. Apparently Medicaid won't pay for the transition, which costs $7,000 a month. It would be interesting to see what percentage of kids transitioning come from progressive parents.
I agree with you with regards to Natalie. I have watched several of her YouTube videos and she is quite well-read, eloquent and insightful. Whether you agree with her politics or not, she makes plenty of thought-provoking points. With regards of her opinion about JKR, however, I do believe there is plenty of projection; while Natalie seems to think it important that JKR can see pass her trauma, Natalie herself needs to account for how her trans identity is clouding her judgement on this issue.
As it pertains to puberty blockers and hormones for minors, the countries that are looking at this topic using a higher empirical standard have concluded that the evidence for these is lacking. Precisely because this topic is so contentious and polemic, we need to be able to rely on what the data is saying and in this case, the data (or lack of data, rather) seems to validate many of JKR’s concerns. While I feel sympathetic towards Natalie, and found the moment she cried to be quite touching—actually—I also think she needs to contend with the findings of these systematic reviews. It helps no one when one side of a debate insists that they are on the side of science, while this is not corroborated by their actions.
I thought Natalie was generally very good, and reasonably intelligent. However, she often did damage to her cause by accusing JKR of things by cloaking it all in “subtext”. For every reasoned, salient opinion she expressed, she would quickly retreat into her own take on “silence is violence” or “my feelings don’t care about your facts”.
Sweden, Finland and the UK have all conducted systematic reviews of the scientific literature for the use of puberty blockers and HRT on minors. Their conclusions in many ways overlap: the evidence for these interventions is lacking. Sweden concluded that the risks outweigh the benefits, while Finland called these interventions experimental. These countries have all backtracked on the use on blockers and hormones on minors based on the findings of these reviews. Meanwhile, American institutions that promote these interventions have failed to conduct similar systematic reviews.
Yes to all of this. And when Natalie said that the percentage of detransitioners is “really low” it was clear that she wasn’t truly listening to the other side. That’s when she lost me.
I kept coming back to the same place. Who is stopping trans people from doing anything? I certainly haven’t seen any evidence of that.
I have seen evidence of trans and their “allies” demanding I deny baseline facts in favor of “identity,” which I will not do. That’s a hard point for me and mine.
Leave kids alone and leave me and mine out of it. That’s all I ask.
I agree; why do they demand so much attention? Trans is a lifestyle choice, not a "basic human right" or some such innate trait that requires legal protections. The legal system should not be used to promote lifestyle choices, in other words.
I don't mind people living whatever lifestyle they want as long as they don't harm others. But their creepy attraction to children is not acceptable. Several such people have been oddly attracted to my own child and we've had a few discussions about it so that she'll be prepared.
The synagogue, which has a gay director of children's education, recently hired a young man who calls themself "Bonnie"; their bio mentions how much they loves dealing with young children.
Giving these creatures a legal umbrella to sue and even imprison the rest of us when we criticize them is just another sign of our civilization's decline.
I think the ever increasing demand for attention is part of the mental illness/psychopathology. And, I agree that normalizing pedophelia is a thing.
The radical left is looking for more ways to keep creeps out of trouble, and I don't know why CA thinks it needs to control everyone else. Also. I do not see why this is getting put together with a completely different issue. Democratic State Sen. Nancy Skinner, author of SB 345, represents Oakland, CA where Chloe Cole and now Layla Jane have brought lawsuits against Kaiser.
"California Bill Seeks To Provide Abortions, Trans Treatment In States Where It’s Banned With New Bill Protecting Doctors"
I’m just going to drop this here. Medicaid is covering these cross sex hormones and elective sex reassignment surgeries. It runs into a million dollars per individual, plus lifelong medical care to maintain the illusion. Most insurance companies cover this as well. So if you’re wondering where your tax dollars are going or why insurance premiums are increasing, this might contribute to the trend. When you consider the exponential increase in the number of people identifying as trans it’s significant. So there is harm in those increased costs and frankly devastating harm to the mentally ill people being used for profit by big pharma as well as the families trying to cope with a culture that allows no dissent from the madness.
Why do they demand so much attention? Because they are not getting positive feedback about themselves in other ways. Kids should feel good about themselves because they are good at a sport or piano. They should be scouts and part of a positive group. But these things aren’t valued anymore. What tiktok says is valued. And being trans is the new goth. Except black nail polish comes off with a little acetone. Pursuing trans is mutilating and permanent. Our kids’ minds are seriously f-‘d with. It has got to be called out and stopped.
I agree with you. But, the TransCult has to be exposed and stopped. How did a rare body dysmophia become a promoted civil rights cause based on magical thinking centered around being "born into a body"? The problem right now with sending your kids to join scouts or some other positive group is that they all bow to Gender Ideology now. Parents on PITT try sending their kid to one group and another, moving towns, changing schools - only to find it's still there.
Also missing is church/synagogue services and youth groups, moral education, sportsmanship on the playing field, adults setting a good example, respect for the classics of literature, music, and art.
Children should be allowed to live an innocent life until they are old enough to discern right from wrong on their own. Adults should not be indoctrinating them with weird sexual fantasies. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, of course.
Tell the synagogue that they're in dangerous territory. In the Episcopal church (a highly "tolerant" denomination), when I volunteered to teach Sunday School, I along with all other teachers was required to take a
2-hour hard-hitting class about sexual abuse of minors, which frequently happens at church. This is required at all Episcopal churches nationwide. They interviewed multiple offenders who told their stories on camera as part of their therapy. Mind-blowing. They discussed how they choose their victims & that was a consistent approach. They were all over the map, SS teachers, coaches, Boy Scout leaders, etc etc. They're pedophiles. I mean, Drag Queen Story Hour, HELLO GROOMERS!!! People need to open their eyes & quit being "tolerant" while children are being sexually groomed/abused or mutilated by surgeries done by sociopaths. I feel the end of this is near------more people speaking out.
Much less a "phobe." I'm not irrationally afraid of grannies, I simply don't want to be around people who engage in behaviors I find disturbing. It's the same reason I don't want to be around bipolars during a manic phase, or an alcoholic on a raging binge.
I'm afraid that it's going to take some pretty big lawsuits by the parents of sexually abused children, before these liberal organizations crack down on their bizarre hiring practices.
Even then, they will likely just cloak the abuse in "tolerance" and "inclusion". The synagogue (I don't refer to it anymore as "my" synagogue) has a gay pride thing every year, with celebratory rainbow flags and "LGBT safe space" signs everywhere. You'd think you were at a Man-Boy Love convention rather than a house of God.
“The synagogue, which has a gay director of children's education, recently hired a young man who calls themself "Bonnie"; their bio mentions how much they loves dealing with young children.”
First, I refuse to mutilate my native language with a third person plural to refer to a second person singular.
Second, I wouldn’t allow anyone proudly promoting that profile anywhere near my kids just as I never let unmedicated schizophrenics, alcoholics and many others--including relatives--near my kids. It’s a matter of safety for my kids.
Hi Steven. Where should parents go to escape an all pervasive ideology? I think that GI needs to be exposed, some medical licenses need to be revoked, people like First Female Four Star Admiral Richard Levine need to be removed from office, these foul teachers unions need to be disbanded or starved for funds... - LM
See the cudgel they use--“trans rights are human rights”. Who says they are deprived of the human rights we all share equally? But what they want is altered reality. They want us all to participate in their denial of biology. That’s not a human right. That’s madness. And I refuse. You want to dress up like the opposite sex? Fine, go ahead. But don’t tell me I have to play along and say, oh yes, you ARE the opposite sex.
I'm going to take this to the ridiculous. What happens when a group of nut cases says "We identify as cockroaches."? They dress up as cockroaches and eat crap off the floor and live in walls.
Will the gay/trans community and their Democrat friends hold rallies and march in the streets supporting the cockroach movement? Will they demand the end of home use pesticides?
This sounds crazy but I think these trans rallies are just as crazy. They are inventing a cause, making something out of nothing. I think the bulk of our population doesn't give a damn. You can dress up like a giraffe and claim you are a giraffe. Who gives a shit? I won't push heterosexual ideas on a trans giraffe so just don't push you goofy trans/gay ideas on me.
My wife and I have some very dear gay friends. Not once have they pushed their sexuality on us or tried to hit on us and the same applies to how we treat them.
That’s what this is all about, right? There are no more objective truths. When we lose trust in truths, we can be made to believe anything. Step 1 towards totalitarianism.
I think the left are full of drama queens who make something out of nothing. they beat their chests, cry, sob and get angry, violent and snarky. They hold rallies and their Dem/Soc pals jump on the band wagon and say, "Look at me. I'm so compassionate and caring". I think they are mentally unbalanced, prone to anger and try to force their psychosis on the rest of us.
I have said before, they are divorced from reality.
"Fear not! The banks that are failing are not woke! OK, they’re woke, but they’re not broke! OK, they’re broke, but they are not without allies who realize that they must support this house of cards freak show. OK, the contagion will take the little people down, but so what?
@JordanSchachtel Mar 16
The head of global markets at Credit Suisse is a mentally ill "gender fluid" man who sometimes believes he wakes up as a woman."
Some of us said similar things about gay marriage and gay parenting and gay rights and altered reality and leaving kids out of it, etc. Warnings about slippery slopes were not heeded.
Of course T is the next agenda item after L, B, and G. This train doesn't stop when so-called "well-meaning liberals" or self-styled "reasonable" people want it to.
Correct. Which is why it was important for T to come first. The age of medical consent is critical. Logically, if a child can consent to "transition" (which involves permanently life-altering drugs, surgery, etc.) then certainly he or she can consent to sex.
Or, his/her parents can consent on his/her behalf. Think that wouldn't happen? Look at what's happening now.
Yes, changing the age of consent/adulthood seems key.
I had an exhausting back and forth this week with someone on reddit about whether or not children have ever had gender-conforming surgery. Of course the goal posts kept moving.
"It's literally never happened."
I showed 3 examples who are currently in the news (two are suing Kaiser health for removing their breasts at 13 and 15). And, you know, Jazz who has an ENTIRE multi-season show documenting her many surgeries as a minor.
"oh great you found 3 extreme edge cases."
So I showed them a pub med study exploring outcomes for hundreds of patients from 12-17 having mastectomies.
"those aren't children. Those are adolescents."
So I showed them that all but 2 UN member nations define "child" as under 18, as do all US gov agencies I looked at (dozens, from Social Security to Census Bureau and on) and hundreds of thousands of news article hits in legacy media referring to "children under 18."
At the point I realized I was arguing with a crazy person they were saying that by listing "US Customs and Border Patrol" among my long list of agencies using the world "child" for that age group, I had revealed myself as a right wing bigot who wants to keep children in cages. And that teens weren't children because the media sexualized Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus.
Here's the thing, by going against international law defining "child" as under 18, you are endangering the human rights of would-be child brides, child soldiers, children sentenced the death, etc.
They're kids. Do not throw hundreds of millions of them under the bus so that you can fiddle with consent law.
Wow. That is amazing. Of course anyone under 18 is a child. Your discussion revealed that people who argue that adolescents and teens are not children (a crazy idea that flies in the face of all international law as well as what used to be known as medicine, and common sense) are much closer to accepting them as able to consent than even perhaps we feared.
The benefit though is that people who are looking for a balanced conversation that platforms both sides will find it here. The interviews with Natalie and Noah make the argument against gender ideology even more solid and convincing and could turn more people toward the truth of this heinous cult.
Thank you for your comment. The medical.expense related to transitioning is often brought up. If you are comfortable doing so, will you expound on your son's experience with costs?
Natalie Wynn is prominent trans YouTuber better known as ContraPoints. She is also featured briefly in one of the earlier episodes where they discuss social media and tumblr.
The fifth installment of the podcast is called "Natalie and Noah." The entire episode is the host interviewing a trans girl, Natalie (first half), and a trans teenage boy, Noah (second half), about the movement, their experience being trans, and about Rowling's comments and the opinion of her in general. That's what the commenters are referring to.
That is my hope too. If they do not get together in person, I do hope JKR gets to respond to their main concerns and arguments, not only for JKR’s sake, but also for the sake of Natalie and Noah.
This has quickly become one of my favorite podcast series. The interview with Natalie was another great episode. I think Natalie is an intelligent, caring, and articulate person, but her argument ultimately left me unconvinced. The final nail in the coffin for me was when she called on J. K. Rowling to leave her position of feeling hurt and victimization to try and consider the other side’s opinion. What’s truly astounding about this is it is exactly what the trans activist side refuses to do! I’ve listened to and considered their arguments, and Rowling has made it clear she’s done far more listening to the “other side” than any of the people cancelling her could claim to have done. They make the same vague statements toward victimization and justifications for silencing others every time. Stop with the talk of “responsibility that comes with your platform” (aka agree with us or be silent) and “we’re just fighting for the right to participate in society”. No, you’re wrong. Full stop. You are not being stopped from meaningfully participating in society in any way and are trying to impose your self-identity on everyone, with real-world consequences.
Megan is an excellent host and her compassion, patience, and understanding are truly commendable. Giving Natalie this platform to express the trans’ perspective was enlightening and an important step to giving the full picture on this complicated issue. I’ve expressed my doubt about the Free Press’ ability to reach an audience beyond conservatives and disaffected liberals, to reach the far left activists who most need to have a mirror held up in front of them. I think this podcast, and this episode in particular, could be the most effective attempt to do so thus far.
Thank you! I felt the same way while listening to that interview. Megan thanked her over and over and over again for deigning to speak with her, all the while Natalie was allowed to avoid all the hard questions and promote untruths.
Ugh yes! So many untruths! How trans people think the government is against them, and that they’re being persecuted at every turn and that they share zero basic rights is bonkers crazy. Which should not be surprising at all. What a fucked up upside down world view being forced on the masses.
"Trans YouTuber says she ‘feels used’ after guesting on JK Rowling podcast: ‘A lapse in judgement’" https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/02/21/jk-rowling-podcast-trans-youtuber-natalie-wynn-contrapoints/
My biggest issue with Natalie’s latest statement is that it makes it clear that it is an imperative of hers to delegitimatize the other side of the debate to the point that having a debate with such opposition is seen as problematic in itself. This need to discredit without debating comes from her absolute and quasi-religious certainty that she is part of the right side of history. Such belief, in turn, blinds her to how her zealotry is perceived by the silent majority (i.e., the portion of the population that is more than willing to be quite tolerant of trans individuals but that draws a line when beliefs and ideas are being imposed). In that regard, her brand of trans activism is quite counterproductive; her arguments on trans topics are not convincing anyone aside from the small portion of the population whose general political views already closely align with hers.
That's why platforming her position can be productive, IMO. Natalie's statement doesn't blind us, it exposes the cult. She digs her own grave by illustrating that the only way she can justify her beliefs is by regurgitating myths that keep "kindly" people (head-in-the-sand libs) from looking too deeply at the matter. By saying that trans people are persecuted everywhere or that the government is against trans rights, or that detransitioners are a tiny percentage of the population, she loses ground. Because those are false claims. Of course one would have to seek out the true information... which is difficult when your head is in the sand lol, but I know there are some people (my husband for one) who are more likely to listen to a pod like this since it gives the other side a chance to speak. So many people are sick of the tribalist road rage that the internet has become, and yearn for nuance and calm conversations that aren't just trying to sew outrage. This delivers, and FWIW validates our position even more.
I can't wait to hear JK's response on the next episode. And I hope they bust the myth that keeps so many well-meaning parents toting their children to gender clinics: that there's a 40% suicide risk if these kids aren't affirmed. Can someone show me the dead bodies from all those "un-affirmed" kids prior to 2015? What a crock.
https://4thwavenow.com/2015/08/03/the-41-trans-suicide-rate-a-tale-of-flawed-data-and-lazy-journalists/
A pro-gender affirming care therapist took the stand in the state legislature of Nebraska to claim that it was myth that parents were being coerced into agreeing to these treatments (though threats of potential suicide by doctors/experts). All this while protesters are outside holding signs and screaming about how limiting gender affirming care for minors constitutes trans genocide. Those advocating for gender affirming are for minors do not notice the incongruence and the fact that many are now able to see through their manipulative tactics.
You are correct. Three separate systematic reviews have concluded that when in comes to puberty blockers and hormones for minors there is a lack of evidence and a lack of consensus with regards to:
-the reason behind the spike in demand for this treatments
-the benefits of these interventions
-the risk factors involved
-the type of patient who may benefit from these treatments versus those who will not
I'm from Nebraska and State Senator Megan Hunt, a bisexual legislature who is blocking this legislation, today said her 12 year old child is transitioning. Apparently Medicaid won't pay for the transition, which costs $7,000 a month. It would be interesting to see what percentage of kids transitioning come from progressive parents.
“Megan does not seem to grasp that trans people are fighting for our lives, our right to exist in society.” -Natalie Wynn
🙄🙄🙄 cry me a river.
I agree with you with regards to Natalie. I have watched several of her YouTube videos and she is quite well-read, eloquent and insightful. Whether you agree with her politics or not, she makes plenty of thought-provoking points. With regards of her opinion about JKR, however, I do believe there is plenty of projection; while Natalie seems to think it important that JKR can see pass her trauma, Natalie herself needs to account for how her trans identity is clouding her judgement on this issue.
As it pertains to puberty blockers and hormones for minors, the countries that are looking at this topic using a higher empirical standard have concluded that the evidence for these is lacking. Precisely because this topic is so contentious and polemic, we need to be able to rely on what the data is saying and in this case, the data (or lack of data, rather) seems to validate many of JKR’s concerns. While I feel sympathetic towards Natalie, and found the moment she cried to be quite touching—actually—I also think she needs to contend with the findings of these systematic reviews. It helps no one when one side of a debate insists that they are on the side of science, while this is not corroborated by their actions.
I thought Natalie was generally very good, and reasonably intelligent. However, she often did damage to her cause by accusing JKR of things by cloaking it all in “subtext”. For every reasoned, salient opinion she expressed, she would quickly retreat into her own take on “silence is violence” or “my feelings don’t care about your facts”.
Sweden, Finland and the UK have all conducted systematic reviews of the scientific literature for the use of puberty blockers and HRT on minors. Their conclusions in many ways overlap: the evidence for these interventions is lacking. Sweden concluded that the risks outweigh the benefits, while Finland called these interventions experimental. These countries have all backtracked on the use on blockers and hormones on minors based on the findings of these reviews. Meanwhile, American institutions that promote these interventions have failed to conduct similar systematic reviews.
Yes to all of this. And when Natalie said that the percentage of detransitioners is “really low” it was clear that she wasn’t truly listening to the other side. That’s when she lost me.
I kept coming back to the same place. Who is stopping trans people from doing anything? I certainly haven’t seen any evidence of that.
I have seen evidence of trans and their “allies” demanding I deny baseline facts in favor of “identity,” which I will not do. That’s a hard point for me and mine.
Leave kids alone and leave me and mine out of it. That’s all I ask.
I agree; why do they demand so much attention? Trans is a lifestyle choice, not a "basic human right" or some such innate trait that requires legal protections. The legal system should not be used to promote lifestyle choices, in other words.
I don't mind people living whatever lifestyle they want as long as they don't harm others. But their creepy attraction to children is not acceptable. Several such people have been oddly attracted to my own child and we've had a few discussions about it so that she'll be prepared.
The synagogue, which has a gay director of children's education, recently hired a young man who calls themself "Bonnie"; their bio mentions how much they loves dealing with young children.
Giving these creatures a legal umbrella to sue and even imprison the rest of us when we criticize them is just another sign of our civilization's decline.
I think the ever increasing demand for attention is part of the mental illness/psychopathology. And, I agree that normalizing pedophelia is a thing.
The radical left is looking for more ways to keep creeps out of trouble, and I don't know why CA thinks it needs to control everyone else. Also. I do not see why this is getting put together with a completely different issue. Democratic State Sen. Nancy Skinner, author of SB 345, represents Oakland, CA where Chloe Cole and now Layla Jane have brought lawsuits against Kaiser.
"California Bill Seeks To Provide Abortions, Trans Treatment In States Where It’s Banned With New Bill Protecting Doctors"
https://www.dailywire.com/news/california-bill-seeks-to-provide-abortions-trans-treatment-in-states-where-its-banned-with-new-bill-protecting-doctors
I’m just going to drop this here. Medicaid is covering these cross sex hormones and elective sex reassignment surgeries. It runs into a million dollars per individual, plus lifelong medical care to maintain the illusion. Most insurance companies cover this as well. So if you’re wondering where your tax dollars are going or why insurance premiums are increasing, this might contribute to the trend. When you consider the exponential increase in the number of people identifying as trans it’s significant. So there is harm in those increased costs and frankly devastating harm to the mentally ill people being used for profit by big pharma as well as the families trying to cope with a culture that allows no dissent from the madness.
Take away the federal $$$ and watch how the whole Trans crap will implode.
Obamacare mandated that coverage.
https://www.healthcare.gov/transgender-health-care/
No doubt!! I bet all of it would disappear once the funds dried up. Thanks for yet another glorious Obama idea.
be prepared for what?? seems as though you have fallen victim to the "they" language too
Please refer to me as "Ze" rather than "you".
Why do they demand so much attention? Because they are not getting positive feedback about themselves in other ways. Kids should feel good about themselves because they are good at a sport or piano. They should be scouts and part of a positive group. But these things aren’t valued anymore. What tiktok says is valued. And being trans is the new goth. Except black nail polish comes off with a little acetone. Pursuing trans is mutilating and permanent. Our kids’ minds are seriously f-‘d with. It has got to be called out and stopped.
I agree with you. But, the TransCult has to be exposed and stopped. How did a rare body dysmophia become a promoted civil rights cause based on magical thinking centered around being "born into a body"? The problem right now with sending your kids to join scouts or some other positive group is that they all bow to Gender Ideology now. Parents on PITT try sending their kid to one group and another, moving towns, changing schools - only to find it's still there.
Also missing is church/synagogue services and youth groups, moral education, sportsmanship on the playing field, adults setting a good example, respect for the classics of literature, music, and art.
Children should be allowed to live an innocent life until they are old enough to discern right from wrong on their own. Adults should not be indoctrinating them with weird sexual fantasies. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, of course.
Time to find another school!
She's 18 and out of there, but I feel bad for the younger ones, and the clueless parents who allowed this to happen.
Tell the synagogue that they're in dangerous territory. In the Episcopal church (a highly "tolerant" denomination), when I volunteered to teach Sunday School, I along with all other teachers was required to take a
2-hour hard-hitting class about sexual abuse of minors, which frequently happens at church. This is required at all Episcopal churches nationwide. They interviewed multiple offenders who told their stories on camera as part of their therapy. Mind-blowing. They discussed how they choose their victims & that was a consistent approach. They were all over the map, SS teachers, coaches, Boy Scout leaders, etc etc. They're pedophiles. I mean, Drag Queen Story Hour, HELLO GROOMERS!!! People need to open their eyes & quit being "tolerant" while children are being sexually groomed/abused or mutilated by surgeries done by sociopaths. I feel the end of this is near------more people speaking out.
It is logical. People who are attracted to kids gravitate to where the kids are. It does not make one who sees that an -ist.
Much less a "phobe." I'm not irrationally afraid of grannies, I simply don't want to be around people who engage in behaviors I find disturbing. It's the same reason I don't want to be around bipolars during a manic phase, or an alcoholic on a raging binge.
It's distaste, not fear.
I'm afraid that it's going to take some pretty big lawsuits by the parents of sexually abused children, before these liberal organizations crack down on their bizarre hiring practices.
Even then, they will likely just cloak the abuse in "tolerance" and "inclusion". The synagogue (I don't refer to it anymore as "my" synagogue) has a gay pride thing every year, with celebratory rainbow flags and "LGBT safe space" signs everywhere. You'd think you were at a Man-Boy Love convention rather than a house of God.
“The synagogue, which has a gay director of children's education, recently hired a young man who calls themself "Bonnie"; their bio mentions how much they loves dealing with young children.”
First, I refuse to mutilate my native language with a third person plural to refer to a second person singular.
Second, I wouldn’t allow anyone proudly promoting that profile anywhere near my kids just as I never let unmedicated schizophrenics, alcoholics and many others--including relatives--near my kids. It’s a matter of safety for my kids.
Get the rope.
If only all parents shared your very reasonable stance.
Hi Steven. Where should parents go to escape an all pervasive ideology? I think that GI needs to be exposed, some medical licenses need to be revoked, people like First Female Four Star Admiral Richard Levine need to be removed from office, these foul teachers unions need to be disbanded or starved for funds... - LM
See the cudgel they use--“trans rights are human rights”. Who says they are deprived of the human rights we all share equally? But what they want is altered reality. They want us all to participate in their denial of biology. That’s not a human right. That’s madness. And I refuse. You want to dress up like the opposite sex? Fine, go ahead. But don’t tell me I have to play along and say, oh yes, you ARE the opposite sex.
I totally agree. And, when you point out things like this TRAs make vague comments about "nuance".
To go along with altered reality and the bullying of JKR:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/richard-dawkins-declares-there-are-only-two-sexes-as-matter-of-science-that-s-all-there-is-to-it/ar-AA18TXkh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b2ab1f394173498391d4eb6201c94f37&ei=47
I'm going to take this to the ridiculous. What happens when a group of nut cases says "We identify as cockroaches."? They dress up as cockroaches and eat crap off the floor and live in walls.
Will the gay/trans community and their Democrat friends hold rallies and march in the streets supporting the cockroach movement? Will they demand the end of home use pesticides?
This sounds crazy but I think these trans rallies are just as crazy. They are inventing a cause, making something out of nothing. I think the bulk of our population doesn't give a damn. You can dress up like a giraffe and claim you are a giraffe. Who gives a shit? I won't push heterosexual ideas on a trans giraffe so just don't push you goofy trans/gay ideas on me.
My wife and I have some very dear gay friends. Not once have they pushed their sexuality on us or tried to hit on us and the same applies to how we treat them.
I think there are children at school now who think they are cats and the teachers get litter boxes.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Furries are a thing.
Kafka’s absurdity becomes reality.
That’s what this is all about, right? There are no more objective truths. When we lose trust in truths, we can be made to believe anything. Step 1 towards totalitarianism.
I refuse to participate.
I think the left are full of drama queens who make something out of nothing. they beat their chests, cry, sob and get angry, violent and snarky. They hold rallies and their Dem/Soc pals jump on the band wagon and say, "Look at me. I'm so compassionate and caring". I think they are mentally unbalanced, prone to anger and try to force their psychosis on the rest of us.
I have said before, they are divorced from reality.
Have you seen this one?
https://twitter.com/Tropicow/status/1636475730946056195
"Fear not! The banks that are failing are not woke! OK, they’re woke, but they’re not broke! OK, they’re broke, but they are not without allies who realize that they must support this house of cards freak show. OK, the contagion will take the little people down, but so what?
@JordanSchachtel Mar 16
The head of global markets at Credit Suisse is a mentally ill "gender fluid" man who sometimes believes he wakes up as a woman."
It's like pre-French Revolution times.
Some of us said similar things about gay marriage and gay parenting and gay rights and altered reality and leaving kids out of it, etc. Warnings about slippery slopes were not heeded.
Of course T is the next agenda item after L, B, and G. This train doesn't stop when so-called "well-meaning liberals" or self-styled "reasonable" people want it to.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
Bingo, pay the girl.
The next letter is going to be 'P'edophiles.
Correct. Which is why it was important for T to come first. The age of medical consent is critical. Logically, if a child can consent to "transition" (which involves permanently life-altering drugs, surgery, etc.) then certainly he or she can consent to sex.
Or, his/her parents can consent on his/her behalf. Think that wouldn't happen? Look at what's happening now.
Yes, changing the age of consent/adulthood seems key.
I had an exhausting back and forth this week with someone on reddit about whether or not children have ever had gender-conforming surgery. Of course the goal posts kept moving.
"It's literally never happened."
I showed 3 examples who are currently in the news (two are suing Kaiser health for removing their breasts at 13 and 15). And, you know, Jazz who has an ENTIRE multi-season show documenting her many surgeries as a minor.
"oh great you found 3 extreme edge cases."
So I showed them a pub med study exploring outcomes for hundreds of patients from 12-17 having mastectomies.
"those aren't children. Those are adolescents."
So I showed them that all but 2 UN member nations define "child" as under 18, as do all US gov agencies I looked at (dozens, from Social Security to Census Bureau and on) and hundreds of thousands of news article hits in legacy media referring to "children under 18."
At the point I realized I was arguing with a crazy person they were saying that by listing "US Customs and Border Patrol" among my long list of agencies using the world "child" for that age group, I had revealed myself as a right wing bigot who wants to keep children in cages. And that teens weren't children because the media sexualized Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus.
Here's the thing, by going against international law defining "child" as under 18, you are endangering the human rights of would-be child brides, child soldiers, children sentenced the death, etc.
They're kids. Do not throw hundreds of millions of them under the bus so that you can fiddle with consent law.
Wow. That is amazing. Of course anyone under 18 is a child. Your discussion revealed that people who argue that adolescents and teens are not children (a crazy idea that flies in the face of all international law as well as what used to be known as medicine, and common sense) are much closer to accepting them as able to consent than even perhaps we feared.
"But what they want is altered reality." You nailed it!
And they want laws to reflect their altered reality. We now have a Supreme Court Justice who does not know what a woman is and that really scares me.
Affirmative action hire.
More like altered reality action hire.
I don't know if any Dem/Soc know what a woman is except for Bill Clinton, of course.
haha
I also appreciated Megan’s thoughts on how discussions with those who disagreed with her early life changed her perspective.
The internet used to be a place for those kinds of probing, in depth conversations. Alas, no more it appears.
The benefit though is that people who are looking for a balanced conversation that platforms both sides will find it here. The interviews with Natalie and Noah make the argument against gender ideology even more solid and convincing and could turn more people toward the truth of this heinous cult.
Thank you for your comment. The medical.expense related to transitioning is often brought up. If you are comfortable doing so, will you expound on your son's experience with costs?
I listened to several minutes of the podcast and quit. Who is Natalie?
Natalie Wynn is prominent trans YouTuber better known as ContraPoints. She is also featured briefly in one of the earlier episodes where they discuss social media and tumblr.
The fifth installment of the podcast is called "Natalie and Noah." The entire episode is the host interviewing a trans girl, Natalie (first half), and a trans teenage boy, Noah (second half), about the movement, their experience being trans, and about Rowling's comments and the opinion of her in general. That's what the commenters are referring to.
thanks
That is my hope too. If they do not get together in person, I do hope JKR gets to respond to their main concerns and arguments, not only for JKR’s sake, but also for the sake of Natalie and Noah.