The rush to judgement seems to be a key part of college campuses today. Meyer should have been seen as innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, like the actual criminal court system. Instead we have these Title IX courts that loosen the standards for proof of wrongdoing. Stanford is scared to have another Brock Turner, but…
The rush to judgement seems to be a key part of college campuses today. Meyer should have been seen as innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, like the actual criminal court system. Instead we have these Title IX courts that loosen the standards for proof of wrongdoing. Stanford is scared to have another Brock Turner, but that doesn't mean we should just abandon due process. In fact, there was just a recent case where a Stanford student was charged with making false rape allegations against a fellow student: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/stanford-university-employee-charged-making-2-false-sexual-assault-all-rcna75264
That is a very disturbing news report. The fact that the student organization makes a statement that 40% of "women identified" students will suffer a sexual assault is outrageous. The administration has obviously created a climate of pure fear, where panic is normalized and students are terrorized.
I heard that 40% figure recently, as well. I think it was Jordon Peterson's podcast, during which he made the great point that if the percentage was that high, no one would apply to that school out of fear of either being raped (females) or being accused of rape (males).
I think a lot of the types who gravitate to schools like Stanford LIKE the idea that a huge percentage will suffer sexual assault. It makes them feel oppressed, and therefore worthy of . . . something. Also, sexual assault is probable a very broad term for them, and may mean getting an unwanted kiss, or a cat-call, or a pinch on the bum, or morning-after regret for a consensual romp. Not really a big deal. I'd rather deal with any of those than an emailed accusation from an administrator . . .
I think a lot of the types who gravitate to schools like Stanford LIKE the idea that a huge percentage will suffer sexual assault. It makes them feel oppressed, and therefore worthy of . . . something. Also, sexual assault is probable a very broad term for them, and may mean getting an unwanted kiss, or a cat-call, or a pinch on the bum, or morning-after regret for a consensual romp. Not really a big deal. I'd rather deal with any of those than an emailed accusation from an administrator . . .
I stick with evidence and good science. As someone that has done social science research, I know that the studies that get the most attention generally aren't well done. There also is a lot of mixing of various issues; rape, coercion, stalking, media assault, or incapacitation, etc. There is a department of justice meta-study that suggests the total of all the above is 11.2%. It also says the smallest part of that is violent sexual assault (rape) and the largest part is incapacitation. Not clear exactly how incapacitation is operationalized, but in some studies if the women has drunk an alcoholic beverage or taken drugs, then they are considered incapacitated. The actual data is not publicly posted or is behind a paywall. We know the FBI statistics for that age group is .6% for the sexual assault category. Any study that is far above that number is suspect or so widening the category to make it useless. When activist put out a figure like the usual 20% or in this case 40% no one really believes them as they shouldn't. That blunts their message at best. All that does is create fear and hysteria among some. It also points the finger at males on campus and tries to paint them as dangerous and aggressive. You wonder why males are not showing up on campus when that is how they are portrayed???
Very mysterious. I don't trust these studies either, but if sexual assault is defined to include any unwanted touching of a sexual nature, I find it hard to believe that it is as low as even 40%. When I think of all the times I've been groped, pinched, jumped on and pinned down . . . and I've never even been drunk or drugged up outside of surgery! It seems more likely that 90 percent of women have experienced sexual assault. At least 90 percent.
"You wonder why males are not showing up on campus when that is how they are portrayed???"
Bingo...we have A Winner.
Here is the problem. We (people on the Right & The Awake Left) have The Facts. They (the Progressive Left...which Is The Left today) have The Narrative.
I would definitely send my daughter to a school with a 40% sexual assault rate, but I'd rather send her to a school with a much higher rate of sexual assault, now that I've looked into the definition and considered my own life experiences. We're talking gropes, unwanted kisses, pinches, even unwanted hugs, etc. I tried to count the number of times I've experienced "sexual assault" but I'm not a numbers woman and I lost count. I can say that of all the high stress situations I've faced, only three involved sexual assault. Bullying by other women is a much greater problem, IMO. What kind of environment would it be for so few women to be assaulted? The young fellows must be terrified to do anything! Or there are police everywhere! But my daughter knows not to get drunk, and how to yell "No!" very assertively, and how to sock a man in the head and kick him in the balls if she needs to. And I doubt she'd be terribly perturbed by a guy grabbing her ass. I worry much more about my son facing false accusations than my daughter getting groped. It's awfully sweet of you guys to worry about your daughters, though. Lucky girls. But you can't really protect them, so I'd recommend focusing on making them strong.
"Bullying by other women is a much greater problem, IMO."
Most of the woke cult appears to me to be primarily about privileged white women bullying other white women and men. I think that it will increasingly become that way. The polls, however, show that the percentage of young people who support woke ideology and abusive behaviors increases with each generation.
This sort of thing has happened so many times in the last couple of years, when I read a story like this, I Assume it's a Hoax. Because very often it is.
The rush to judgement seems to be a key part of college campuses today. Meyer should have been seen as innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, like the actual criminal court system. Instead we have these Title IX courts that loosen the standards for proof of wrongdoing. Stanford is scared to have another Brock Turner, but that doesn't mean we should just abandon due process. In fact, there was just a recent case where a Stanford student was charged with making false rape allegations against a fellow student: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/stanford-university-employee-charged-making-2-false-sexual-assault-all-rcna75264
It's important insight that the Ivy League leaders don't believe in constitutional rights in their own domain.
That is a very disturbing news report. The fact that the student organization makes a statement that 40% of "women identified" students will suffer a sexual assault is outrageous. The administration has obviously created a climate of pure fear, where panic is normalized and students are terrorized.
I heard that 40% figure recently, as well. I think it was Jordon Peterson's podcast, during which he made the great point that if the percentage was that high, no one would apply to that school out of fear of either being raped (females) or being accused of rape (males).
I think a lot of the types who gravitate to schools like Stanford LIKE the idea that a huge percentage will suffer sexual assault. It makes them feel oppressed, and therefore worthy of . . . something. Also, sexual assault is probable a very broad term for them, and may mean getting an unwanted kiss, or a cat-call, or a pinch on the bum, or morning-after regret for a consensual romp. Not really a big deal. I'd rather deal with any of those than an emailed accusation from an administrator . . .
I think a lot of the types who gravitate to schools like Stanford LIKE the idea that a huge percentage will suffer sexual assault. It makes them feel oppressed, and therefore worthy of . . . something. Also, sexual assault is probable a very broad term for them, and may mean getting an unwanted kiss, or a cat-call, or a pinch on the bum, or morning-after regret for a consensual romp. Not really a big deal. I'd rather deal with any of those than an emailed accusation from an administrator . . .
I stick with evidence and good science. As someone that has done social science research, I know that the studies that get the most attention generally aren't well done. There also is a lot of mixing of various issues; rape, coercion, stalking, media assault, or incapacitation, etc. There is a department of justice meta-study that suggests the total of all the above is 11.2%. It also says the smallest part of that is violent sexual assault (rape) and the largest part is incapacitation. Not clear exactly how incapacitation is operationalized, but in some studies if the women has drunk an alcoholic beverage or taken drugs, then they are considered incapacitated. The actual data is not publicly posted or is behind a paywall. We know the FBI statistics for that age group is .6% for the sexual assault category. Any study that is far above that number is suspect or so widening the category to make it useless. When activist put out a figure like the usual 20% or in this case 40% no one really believes them as they shouldn't. That blunts their message at best. All that does is create fear and hysteria among some. It also points the finger at males on campus and tries to paint them as dangerous and aggressive. You wonder why males are not showing up on campus when that is how they are portrayed???
Very mysterious. I don't trust these studies either, but if sexual assault is defined to include any unwanted touching of a sexual nature, I find it hard to believe that it is as low as even 40%. When I think of all the times I've been groped, pinched, jumped on and pinned down . . . and I've never even been drunk or drugged up outside of surgery! It seems more likely that 90 percent of women have experienced sexual assault. At least 90 percent.
"You wonder why males are not showing up on campus when that is how they are portrayed???"
Bingo...we have A Winner.
Here is the problem. We (people on the Right & The Awake Left) have The Facts. They (the Progressive Left...which Is The Left today) have The Narrative.
"It makes them feel oppressed, and therefore worthy of . . . something."
I'm thinking.....Kick In The Ass?
I have a small question. Would you send your daughter to a place where she gad a 40% chance of being sexual assaulted? Because I damn sure wouldn't.
I've seen statistics like this for some time. They were blown out of the water.
Of course not as no parent would. That just demonstrates that no one believes these stats as they shouldn't.
I would definitely send my daughter to a school with a 40% sexual assault rate, but I'd rather send her to a school with a much higher rate of sexual assault, now that I've looked into the definition and considered my own life experiences. We're talking gropes, unwanted kisses, pinches, even unwanted hugs, etc. I tried to count the number of times I've experienced "sexual assault" but I'm not a numbers woman and I lost count. I can say that of all the high stress situations I've faced, only three involved sexual assault. Bullying by other women is a much greater problem, IMO. What kind of environment would it be for so few women to be assaulted? The young fellows must be terrified to do anything! Or there are police everywhere! But my daughter knows not to get drunk, and how to yell "No!" very assertively, and how to sock a man in the head and kick him in the balls if she needs to. And I doubt she'd be terribly perturbed by a guy grabbing her ass. I worry much more about my son facing false accusations than my daughter getting groped. It's awfully sweet of you guys to worry about your daughters, though. Lucky girls. But you can't really protect them, so I'd recommend focusing on making them strong.
"Bullying by other women is a much greater problem, IMO."
Most of the woke cult appears to me to be primarily about privileged white women bullying other white women and men. I think that it will increasingly become that way. The polls, however, show that the percentage of young people who support woke ideology and abusive behaviors increases with each generation.
LOL..........very good................love the attitude!
I always wonder what type of world these folks live in where young people act appropriately at all times and no young men or women push the envelopes,
This sort of thing has happened so many times in the last couple of years, when I read a story like this, I Assume it's a Hoax. Because very often it is.