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Evans W's avatar

It's amazing to me that anyone who supports Israel as a sovereign nation state can still vote for any democrat period.

Rashida Tlaib - "As long as our country provides billions in unconditional funding to support the apartheid government, this cycle of violence will continue."

The Biden administration continues to fund and protect Iran to the tune of billions of dollars. Two weeks ago the administration green lighted $16 billion in frozen assets to the Iranian regime that has financed and supported Hamas for for years.

I've simply lost count on number of ways the Biden administration can f*ck things up.....I'm fully confident they won't let us down here either.

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MIZZY's avatar

AGREED

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QX's avatar

You know what's astounding to me beyond Democrats? It's liberal and Democratic Jews. I've been checking my Facebook feed this weekend. All the liberal Jews I know who openly plastered BLM fists on their profiles, spoke out in support of Trevon Martin and George Floyd and blacks, and the LGBTQAlphabet soup, and then Ukraine, they are completely silent. When their own people are attacked, they stay silent. I really don't understand this.

Meanwhile, all the people they supported didn't say a thing in support of Israel yesterday.

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Kate's avatar

I gave up Facebook years ago and it's one of the best things you can do for your mental health

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Les Vitailles's avatar

Unfortunately, these left-wing Jews are unwilling to put their beliefs in action by moving to southern Israel and enjoying an enlightened, progressive conversation when their Hamas neighbors join them.

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Lars Porsena's avatar

They think it is buying them some kind of immunity as goodthinkers

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Sheluyang Peng's avatar

I’ve seen secular leftist Jews actively support Palestine. There are organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace that are made up of brats that hate their parents and want to support what all the other leftist youth are supporting.

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Phil from Arizona's avatar

Apparently Rashida Tlaib forgot about the BILLIONS in cash that Obama and Bin-Biden have given to Iran. How Biden can keep a straight face while "condemning" the Hamas attacks is just mind-blowing

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MayaMia's avatar

Biden has dementia; he forgets what he says as soon as he says it. It's Blinken who still can't lose his stupid eyes when he lies. What about all the weapons left in Afghanistan? There's a good chance the Taliban sold much of them to Hamas.

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Current Resident's avatar

I'm so glad Bari brought in editors from Tablet, whose writers have been much more forthright in drawing a direct link between Obama's (and now Biden's) policies and Hamas's slaughter of Israelis.

They also make a strong, albeit controversial, argument in favor of severing U.S. aid to Israel on the grounds that it would be better for Israel to act according to its own interests.

This carnage is what Democratic voters chose. If they see it as a mistake, they should fix it. If they don't, they should just admit that they don't care when Jews die, even if they themselves are Jewish.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

This should surprise no one:

A group of 31 Harvard organizations, including the Ivy League institution's affiliate of Amnesty International, has placed the blame on Israel for Hamas' brutal, surprise attack that has killed hundreds of Israelis. The Harvard organizations have declared that the murders, rapes, kidnappings, and other atrocities committed by Hamas against innocent people are in no way the fault of Hamas, but are rather entirely the fault of Israel.

The organizations released a letter to the public as a Joint Statement by Harvard Palestine Solidarity Groups:

"We, the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence ... the apartheid regime is the onlyone to blame".

The groups have also taken credit for getting the Harvard Crimson, the school's student newspaper, to support BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) of Israel.

These delusional groups include the school's African American Resistance Organization, Amnesty International, 'Harvard Act on a Dream,' groups of Muslim and South Asian students from the Kennedy and Chan schools, the Harvard Islamic Society and Harvard Jews for Liberation.

https://www.jns.org/dozens-of-harvard-student-groups-blame-israel-for-being-attacked/

https://www.foxnews.com/media/harvard-student-organizations-claim-israel-entirely-responsible-gaza-attacks

https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/jns/dozens-of-harvard-student-groups-blame-israel-for-being-attacked/article_03082d08-cdbe-55f4-af05-654a6677b37a.html

Condemnation of Israel has reached a point at which I'd be shocked if these racist bigoted hate groups didn't respond to Israel protecting itself in such a predictably disgusting fashion.

With assholes like this coming out of our universities, we are doomed.

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Kate's avatar

Isn't it fascinating how all these BLM-loving social justice warriors were preaching to us a few years ago about the blacks' "400 years of oppression" and how we should "understand" where the reactionary violence was coming from. Meanwhile they are totally silent about the Jews' centuries of oppression and persecution when it comes to the Jews' own response and self-defense. Craven hypocrites. Selective outrage in the extreme.

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Bquinn's avatar

Unfortunately, they will not be relocating to Gaza or Lebanon after graduation. They will be a poison on the country and infiltrate our schools, our local communities, and national, state, and local governments. The ONLY positive is they will have no offspring. Totally useless scum.

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Current Resident's avatar

I saw this. Thanks for posting.

I don't know which is worse, if these students are ignorant of the facts or if they are aware that they are supporting pogroms and just view that as fair game.

This, from the same crowd that calls words violence. They should hold their next event in Gaza or Iran.

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A Kauffmann's avatar

We spent over a $ trillion (current dollars) in US aid to Europe in WWII. Germany never attacked us. We spent over 365,000 lives in Europe defending them against Germany, which again, never attacked us.

So of course we should give Israel whatever it needs to get rid of their lunatic, animalistic neighbors. They never asked us for troops, unlike Europe. Money -- we have plenty of it.

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frank tarascio's avatar

Very well put.

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Current Resident's avatar

I'm still undecided on the aid issue. I didn't expect the pro-Israel arguments in favor of ending it to be as persuasive as they were. The best defense of continued aid actually came from Ted Cruz.

However, most people don't understand that U.S. aid to Israel is like Kohl's cash; it can only be spent at U.S. defense contractors. So it's basically another subsidy.

But from a policy and diplomatic standpoint, I agree, we should be providing unambiguous support to Israel right now.

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BillS's avatar

When I am undecided on an issue, I just wait to see what the MSM says and believe the opposite. Once you know who the bad actors are, it's much easier to find the truth.

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A Kauffmann's avatar

For the reasons you correctly explain, aid to Israel is really a subsidy (and a good one) for our defense industry. Until Saturday I thought that the Ukraine war would be used by Israel to study how to deal with swarms of rockets and drones. That will now have to be postponed but aggressively pursued by the US and Israel and others -- enemies have learned from Russia and Hamas that swarms of air attacks cannot be stopped with current technology. Another group studying it will be Iran and Hezbollah.

In war, our worst days are ahead of all of us. Aid to Israel -- which is aid to the US defense -- is a great investment, not aid.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

I agree. I am ashamed to say the US uses aid as a cudgel at this point.

But then there is that when Israel stands alone thing.

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A Kauffmann's avatar

Israel is -- literally -- the only ally we have ever had that fights its own battles.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

True. Very true. A noble ally. A true ally. The US must stop seeing itself as the world's savior. That is what is beyond our pay grade. I look around and see how much harm is caused bu our attempts to play god.

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Mark's avatar

I share your sentiment, except you got your facts wrong. Of course Germany attacked the US, their U-boats attacked American shipping and were responsible for thousands of American deaths. And then there is a the small matter of Hitler actually declaring war on the US.

Again, I share the overall sentiment of your comment, however, getting your facts wrong tends to blunt the message.

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A Kauffmann's avatar

Well, it gets a bit more detailed. The attacks on our shipping and the U-boats were largely after we entered the war. And yes, Germany declared war on us. So? My point is, they didn't invade and yet we slaughtered their citizens for a larger cause that didn't personally threaten us -- ever.

Arabs have been threatening, killing and dismembering the bodies of Jews for over 100 years. If all they did was declare war, that would be a yawn. It's when they start them that Israel should do what any good Western nation would do -- slaughter the enemy.

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Les Vitailles's avatar

"The attacks on our shipping and the U-boats were largely after we entered the war."

You're clueless: Germany was sinking US ships, including USN destroyers, 9 months before we entered the war. Any other nation would have called it an act of war but Roosevelt was concerned about the reaction of the isolationist movement.

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/museums/nmusn/explore/photography/wwii/wwii-atlantic/battle-of-the-atlantic/pre-us-entry-into-wwii.html

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234's avatar

Dude, you're delusional.

Hitler threatened all mankind in every free republic around the world.

The attacks on our ships aiding England happened before Hitler declared war on us.

Japan never invaded us, yet thousands of soldiers and civilians were killed at Pearl Harbor....perhaps you heard.

Any analogy to WWII is weaker than an empty barrel of oil and a religion with no God......which is what this has always been about.

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Thoughtful Reader's avatar

Radical Islam is more of a global “threat to (peaceful) mankind in every free republic around the world“ than Hitler ever was.

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234's avatar

What's your point? They're a threat!

What difference does it make if you're gassed, lined up against a wall and executed, or beheaded?

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A Kauffmann's avatar

You seem pretty upset over a person who interprets history different than you. Relax. Be glad you don't live in an Israeli kibbutz.

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234's avatar

It's much more than interpretation, my friend.

Dealing in facts is quite relaxing and far from upsetting.

Give it a try sometime.

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