Once I was an alarmist about diseases spreading from the tropics. When a man from Africa came to see his girlfriend in Texas and was discovered to have Ebola, I was sure--based on the transmission and fatality rates seen in Africa--that we had a major and highly serious pandemic looming over us.
Once I was an alarmist about diseases spreading from the tropics. When a man from Africa came to see his girlfriend in Texas and was discovered to have Ebola, I was sure--based on the transmission and fatality rates seen in Africa--that we had a major and highly serious pandemic looming over us.
It turned out (fortunately) that I was wrong. Neither transmission nor fatality of the disease was as serious in the West as it was in Africa.
So I am not as willing to become alarmed as I used to be. My reaction to this article--which definitely seeks to be alarming--is consequently very skeptical.
Nor am I convinced that McNeil is yelling at the correct audience. As he himself points out, those most at risk are gay men, particularly those who have sexual contact with strangers. And ALSO as he himself points out, that population is as unwilling to follow health-protective cautions now as they were when the AIDS epidemic began. I'm not convinced that any amount of lectures or warnings will change their minds. I don't see how lecturing the Common Sense audience will have any effect.
Ah, yes, it only took three or four years for the kind and understanding Pres. Ronald Reagan to mention the word AIDS, true courage; I guess he didn’t think they were his constituents!
It sure is. But it was generally isolated at the time. To be sure the crisis escalated and became an extremely serious public health issue by the late '80s but 1985 was not late to the party.
I was alarmed when my daughter came home with a letter saying one of her classmates (2nd grade iirc) had been exposed to one of the ebola cases here in DFW. But that virus kills most people it infects. Monkey pox kills, so far, no one in the US. The first seems more reasonable to cause alarm than the second.
Children and pregnant women are the risk groups for monkeypox. Those are the groups most likely to die once they have an infection. Weighing risks, such as how transmissible a disease is, what groups have the most severe outcomes, long term health problems, etc, is the most important thing. A cautious approach and personal research is much better than alarm in any case. But, yes. I would hit google and the library if I received a letter like you did.
My daughter was a nurse at Baylor University Hospital in Dallas when that Ebola patient came in. He was, I think, at Presbyterian close by. She knew a nurse who got infected but her case was mild. It's a scary virus, as are all the hemorrhagic viruses. There have been warnings recently about Marburg being on the loose, another hemorrhagic virus.
Hemorrhagic viruses are exactly what Dr. Li Meng Yan, a virologist who escaped from China, urgently warned would be the next bio attack due to the joint research between US and China of which she knew firsthand from Wuhan.
As COVID was waning or the new variants were not as lethal there were reports of a hemorrhagic virus beginning to circulate. I suspected this was going to be the new source of fear porn. It may still be but looks like Monkeypox virus is the current one.
It’s only a matter of time until it crosses over to non-gay members of society. There are, among the gay community, bi-sexuals that bonk women. And there are women that bonk strangers and are married or have children. We need to get a handle on this so when it hits the non-gay community, we don’t have thousands of cases hit all at once and overwhelm the system.
We don’t know how transmissible it is. We don’t know the risk to children and pregnant women. Since we don’t know much about it, it is best to forewarn people.
I disagree. Recent history has given us all a very expensive lesson in passing out "scary info" to a population that is largely poorly educated, scientifically illiterate, innumerate, and highly vulnerable to manipulation by a corrupt, untrustworthy media (see current article). NOTHING about Monkeypox justifies taking the extreme risks you are proposing
Yes, I agree--they were very often the most easily deceived and confused, primarily because their acculturation and value system blinded them to their own ignorance and gullibility. They are also the group most HIGHLY invested in believing anything fed to them by the MSM.
I agree, Naomi. Their clumsy coordination on these stories is laughably obvious. My subjective observations are that they are already finding it harder going--at least I hope so. My personal strategy is just to keep calling attention to the MSM's perfidy whenever I can. What would be enormously helpful would be YOUNG influencers really getting interested in calling attention to all this deception, and reclaiming sanity for the world they are inheriting
The primary warning necessary at this point--if it would be heeded--is to stop having sex with random strangers, to stop having sex if you have sores on your body, to stop having sex with people who have sores on their bodies.
How do you work around a known problem of independent people ignoring a warning given in their own best interest? A human is a human regardless of sex, not a snake or a bird. No one is asking anyone to change species - they're just being asked to abstain for a bit to protect themselves and possibly others.
I understand what you are saying, but young people like to bonk. It’s in their nature.
A work around would be educating them on the dangers but also making vaccines and tests available to them before they go to the party. Perhaps having health care providers right there at their parties, like the scheduled one this article talked about, to set up appointments to be tested after the party or to maybe health care providers could be on site to do quick exams for the pustules before they can enter the party. There are any number of ways to make their unsafe behavior a little safer for others.
This may be a way to scare parents into vaccinating their children against monkeypox. It seems many parents are resisting having their young children and babies vaccinated against COVID.
The timing is amazingly convenient.
You are correct about it crossing into the general population. However, I don't think the crossover will become an epidemic into the general population because it should follow the same course HIV took and we know it didn't decimate the general population as the NIH originally projected.
This isn’t transmitted by sex, though, or blood or semen. HIV was actually limited by the difficulty of transmission. Monkeypox can be transmitted by something as simple as using a towel that someone wiped their infected hands on or laying on a bedspread that a hotel didn’t wash after one guest left. Those aren’t sex acts. They are just common acts that no one thinks about. Children aren’t immune from hugging a relative that has it or sitting in a relative’s lap and reading a story. Close contact helps it spread.
It’s entirely different. Parents, when the smallpox vaccine came out, made sure their children got the vaccine. Mostly. This doesn’t have anything to do with the Covid vaccine. Parents should research both. They will see that Covid was never a risk for most children, so the vaccine was unnecessary, but that monkeypox is a risk so a vaccine would be good. Even though, at this point, I don’t see the CDC pushing to get children vaccinated against monkeypox.
Not yet but it's coming. Wait...they will find one child who gets it, (remember Ryan White during the AIDS episode)?, and then the media will hype parents into a state of terror.
Well. I got the smallpox vaccine. It protects me from monkeypox and I didn’t die from it. Some vaccines are good. Some aren’t necessary. If the parent doesn’t care enough to research them or the potential risks cf infection for their children, what can I say.
Ebola is Scurvy and Monkey pox is a adverse reaction to the covid vaccine that is now being mislabeled as something else to be concerned about. Vaccines cause adverse reactions immediately or 10, 20, 30 years later.
All this information is available to the public, (The Poison Needle by Eleanora McBean and Vaccine Epidemic by various authors, to name a few) but it's not a fun or entertaining topic so people continue to be woefully mislead. Until people start thinking critically about this topic most will continue to be harmed.
We are in an abusive relationship with our medical establishment, governments, and the psychopaths (philanthropaths) that continue to push this BS on the human population.
No sarcasm. Many naturopathic doctors have spoken about this. I am trying to find some other references to share other than long videos. Here is one article talking about how Ebola is a scurvy like illness. Very similar symptoms in both diseases. Instead of a vaccine for Ebola, perhaps vitamin c would help since it helps with scurvy.
Connections are being made between ebola and scurvy. Vitamin C deficiency, also known as scurvy, is characteristic of hemorrhaging, and immune dysfunction. Unexplained hemorrhaging, bleeding or bruising is a symptom of ebola.
Read the link I shared above. Ebola in the early stages can be treated like scurvy and never get to the unexplained hemorrhaging. If there is one thing we learned from Covid, which we may not have been privy to before, is they will suppress treatments to promote a vaccine as the save all and they will let people die as a result. The vaccine is the objective and anything that gets in that way will be maligned. So allowing people to suffer with Ebola to the point of unexplained hemorrhaging and bleeding saying that there is nothing they can do but vaccinate is a LIE! Treat it like scurvy and never get to that point. Additionally, some would argue the contagious point. I will see what else I can find on that note. Again, I am listening to videos on the topic and they are long. I will post what I find with time stamps.
Yes Lori the preferred treatment is the one that makes the most money. Injury or death is part of the business. Damages paid out by pharma are nothing compared to the billions they make. The next moneymaker will be monkeypox.
I do agree with your last sentence. However with scurvy the slightest touch will cause bruising. Internal bleeding will cause your skin to look splotchy.
Skeptical indeed. Gay men are the target once again. The Marxists claim to embrace them but, as AZT demonstrated, they actually want them dead. And more vaccines for them-perfect! Why not throw in some remdesivir for treatment while they are at it? Bari’s choices for medical pieces show you can take someone out of NYT but you can’t fully take NYT out of that someone!
Yes, that NYT angle always seems to find a way to crop up in any article, doesn't it?
However, it is important to be aware of what is out there. It's curious and curiouser to discover Monkeypox was being discussed a few years ago by the usual suspects. I watched a video or two on it.
The video should make it clear to anyone their game plan, yet too many are under the zombie spell of Gates and Xi and Klaus. Gates pontificating about his concern for minorities - unless you happen to be one of his lab rats in Africa. Gates and China are the ones buying up our land as well - how long before people realize that their tentacles intend to choke every aspect of your life. Thanks for sharing❤️
Perhaps those outliers in society need feel validated as now they want us all dead. The deception, harms, and intent to divide and conquer are very personal and very real.
It's circulating among sex workers. Many more people than we may be aware avail themselves of sex workers (prostitutes). We also have a tragic human trafficking operation going on across the nation thanks to the Biden administration and the importation of millions of illegals. Many of those women and children are being forced into prostitution.
A man goes to a prostitute, picks up the disease, then takes it home to his wife/girlfriend/lover.
This disease may end up circulating primarily the way HIV did and not affect the majority of Americans. It is still troubling.
At first heterosexuals were all relieved we weren’t at risk for AIDS, until…..
I don’t like to dwell in alarmism either, but I do remember AIDS vividly. And the stories of how it inevitably jumped to heterosexuals. Whether this is actually likely with monkey pox won’t matter if the story gets out it can.
But heterosexuals weren’t really at risk, not like gay men. It’s especially difficult for a man to get hiv from a woman. The threat was really overblown.
Being a “reader” I have to put a plug in for “and the band played on” an exhaustive, well researched book on the AIDS epidemic. The press tried to characterize it as an indictment of the Reagan administration (big surprise!! Some things never change!!). But it was really an indictment of almost everyone/and every group involved.
If you go back and read some of the articles from the 80s discussing HIV, you'll see Tony getting skewered by the Gay folks, but back then, they didn't have the voice they do today, so nobody paid attention to the comments criticizing the grandstanding narcissist back then.
It astonishes me that the LGB community won't loudly recall who did what back then. I guess supporting the Dem agenda is more important than reminding everyone how harmful Fauci was to their community at that time. He shouldn't get a pass.
I recall the predictions for HIV/AIDS in the 1980's. NIH and CDC were predicting it would spread through the population the way Herpes had with millions infected.
We know they were wrong because HIV is primarily spread through blood and semen. It was particularly infectious for homosexual men because of their practice of anal sex.
HIV was confined to gay men in the U.S. because that was the population where it was introduced, not because it infects only that population. In Africa it has been a terrible plague for both sexes, and heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. For a while it looked like it might largely depopulate the continent.
From the outset this article impressed me as being wreck-less fear mongering. We have been subjected to so much drivel of this sort I don’t see the point in lending any credibility to it by taking it seriously. The media have only themselves to blame. Picking it apart piece by boring piece is simply a waste of time.
"Useless" information still informs. First it must be identified as useless. I suppose we should be grateful to those supplying useless information for being willing to stand up and be so identified. Discussion in a free society should be revered.
Once I was an alarmist about diseases spreading from the tropics. When a man from Africa came to see his girlfriend in Texas and was discovered to have Ebola, I was sure--based on the transmission and fatality rates seen in Africa--that we had a major and highly serious pandemic looming over us.
It turned out (fortunately) that I was wrong. Neither transmission nor fatality of the disease was as serious in the West as it was in Africa.
So I am not as willing to become alarmed as I used to be. My reaction to this article--which definitely seeks to be alarming--is consequently very skeptical.
Nor am I convinced that McNeil is yelling at the correct audience. As he himself points out, those most at risk are gay men, particularly those who have sexual contact with strangers. And ALSO as he himself points out, that population is as unwilling to follow health-protective cautions now as they were when the AIDS epidemic began. I'm not convinced that any amount of lectures or warnings will change their minds. I don't see how lecturing the Common Sense audience will have any effect.
Ah, yes, it only took three or four years for the kind and understanding Pres. Ronald Reagan to mention the word AIDS, true courage; I guess he didn’t think they were his constituents!
The disease hadn't even been named until several years into his Presidency.
In September 1982 the CDC identified AIDS, in September 1985 Reagan uttered the word AIDS, chronologically isn’t that three years?
It sure is. But it was generally isolated at the time. To be sure the crisis escalated and became an extremely serious public health issue by the late '80s but 1985 was not late to the party.
: a way of describing, interpreting, or explaining something (such as bad behavior) that makes it seem proper, more attractive, etc.
I was alarmed when my daughter came home with a letter saying one of her classmates (2nd grade iirc) had been exposed to one of the ebola cases here in DFW. But that virus kills most people it infects. Monkey pox kills, so far, no one in the US. The first seems more reasonable to cause alarm than the second.
Children and pregnant women are the risk groups for monkeypox. Those are the groups most likely to die once they have an infection. Weighing risks, such as how transmissible a disease is, what groups have the most severe outcomes, long term health problems, etc, is the most important thing. A cautious approach and personal research is much better than alarm in any case. But, yes. I would hit google and the library if I received a letter like you did.
My daughter was a nurse at Baylor University Hospital in Dallas when that Ebola patient came in. He was, I think, at Presbyterian close by. She knew a nurse who got infected but her case was mild. It's a scary virus, as are all the hemorrhagic viruses. There have been warnings recently about Marburg being on the loose, another hemorrhagic virus.
Hemorrhagic viruses are exactly what Dr. Li Meng Yan, a virologist who escaped from China, urgently warned would be the next bio attack due to the joint research between US and China of which she knew firsthand from Wuhan.
Whatever happened to her? She was a big deal then quickly there was nothing.
She is still in hiding but not certain specifically what else.
Hope she's ok.
As COVID was waning or the new variants were not as lethal there were reports of a hemorrhagic virus beginning to circulate. I suspected this was going to be the new source of fear porn. It may still be but looks like Monkeypox virus is the current one.
It’s only a matter of time until it crosses over to non-gay members of society. There are, among the gay community, bi-sexuals that bonk women. And there are women that bonk strangers and are married or have children. We need to get a handle on this so when it hits the non-gay community, we don’t have thousands of cases hit all at once and overwhelm the system.
We don’t know how transmissible it is. We don’t know the risk to children and pregnant women. Since we don’t know much about it, it is best to forewarn people.
I disagree. Recent history has given us all a very expensive lesson in passing out "scary info" to a population that is largely poorly educated, scientifically illiterate, innumerate, and highly vulnerable to manipulation by a corrupt, untrustworthy media (see current article). NOTHING about Monkeypox justifies taking the extreme risks you are proposing
It seemed to me the highly educated were duped as well Gordon.
Yes, I agree--they were very often the most easily deceived and confused, primarily because their acculturation and value system blinded them to their own ignorance and gullibility. They are also the group most HIGHLY invested in believing anything fed to them by the MSM.
I'd think looking at the photos of people with the sores should enough to scare anyone away from it.
The MSM is going to latch onto Monkeypox and gin up the fear and panic. Count on it. I expect escalation leading into the 2022 elections.
Mail in ballots only because you might get monkeypox going to your local school gymnasium or church.
I agree, Naomi. Their clumsy coordination on these stories is laughably obvious. My subjective observations are that they are already finding it harder going--at least I hope so. My personal strategy is just to keep calling attention to the MSM's perfidy whenever I can. What would be enormously helpful would be YOUNG influencers really getting interested in calling attention to all this deception, and reclaiming sanity for the world they are inheriting
We have to speak the truth to lies.
The primary warning necessary at this point--if it would be heeded--is to stop having sex with random strangers, to stop having sex if you have sores on your body, to stop having sex with people who have sores on their bodies.
Sure. But that’s not how humans act. You can’t make a snake be a bird so you work around the known problems.
How do you work around a known problem of independent people ignoring a warning given in their own best interest? A human is a human regardless of sex, not a snake or a bird. No one is asking anyone to change species - they're just being asked to abstain for a bit to protect themselves and possibly others.
I understand what you are saying, but young people like to bonk. It’s in their nature.
A work around would be educating them on the dangers but also making vaccines and tests available to them before they go to the party. Perhaps having health care providers right there at their parties, like the scheduled one this article talked about, to set up appointments to be tested after the party or to maybe health care providers could be on site to do quick exams for the pustules before they can enter the party. There are any number of ways to make their unsafe behavior a little safer for others.
This may be a way to scare parents into vaccinating their children against monkeypox. It seems many parents are resisting having their young children and babies vaccinated against COVID.
The timing is amazingly convenient.
You are correct about it crossing into the general population. However, I don't think the crossover will become an epidemic into the general population because it should follow the same course HIV took and we know it didn't decimate the general population as the NIH originally projected.
This isn’t transmitted by sex, though, or blood or semen. HIV was actually limited by the difficulty of transmission. Monkeypox can be transmitted by something as simple as using a towel that someone wiped their infected hands on or laying on a bedspread that a hotel didn’t wash after one guest left. Those aren’t sex acts. They are just common acts that no one thinks about. Children aren’t immune from hugging a relative that has it or sitting in a relative’s lap and reading a story. Close contact helps it spread.
It’s entirely different. Parents, when the smallpox vaccine came out, made sure their children got the vaccine. Mostly. This doesn’t have anything to do with the Covid vaccine. Parents should research both. They will see that Covid was never a risk for most children, so the vaccine was unnecessary, but that monkeypox is a risk so a vaccine would be good. Even though, at this point, I don’t see the CDC pushing to get children vaccinated against monkeypox.
Not yet but it's coming. Wait...they will find one child who gets it, (remember Ryan White during the AIDS episode)?, and then the media will hype parents into a state of terror.
Well. I got the smallpox vaccine. It protects me from monkeypox and I didn’t die from it. Some vaccines are good. Some aren’t necessary. If the parent doesn’t care enough to research them or the potential risks cf infection for their children, what can I say.
I imagine we all have gay friends and family.
Ebola is Scurvy and Monkey pox is a adverse reaction to the covid vaccine that is now being mislabeled as something else to be concerned about. Vaccines cause adverse reactions immediately or 10, 20, 30 years later.
All this information is available to the public, (The Poison Needle by Eleanora McBean and Vaccine Epidemic by various authors, to name a few) but it's not a fun or entertaining topic so people continue to be woefully mislead. Until people start thinking critically about this topic most will continue to be harmed.
We are in an abusive relationship with our medical establishment, governments, and the psychopaths (philanthropaths) that continue to push this BS on the human population.
Ebola is scurvy?? Am I missing some sarcasm there?
No sarcasm. Many naturopathic doctors have spoken about this. I am trying to find some other references to share other than long videos. Here is one article talking about how Ebola is a scurvy like illness. Very similar symptoms in both diseases. Instead of a vaccine for Ebola, perhaps vitamin c would help since it helps with scurvy.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/10/dr-david-brownstein/ebola-a-scurvy-like-illness/
Connections are being made between ebola and scurvy. Vitamin C deficiency, also known as scurvy, is characteristic of hemorrhaging, and immune dysfunction. Unexplained hemorrhaging, bleeding or bruising is a symptom of ebola.
"Unexplained hemorrhaging, bleeding or bruising is a symptom of ebola."
But not of scurvy. And Ebola can be very contagious whether anyone has a Vit C deficiency or not. To conflate the two is a bit disingenuous.
Read the link I shared above. Ebola in the early stages can be treated like scurvy and never get to the unexplained hemorrhaging. If there is one thing we learned from Covid, which we may not have been privy to before, is they will suppress treatments to promote a vaccine as the save all and they will let people die as a result. The vaccine is the objective and anything that gets in that way will be maligned. So allowing people to suffer with Ebola to the point of unexplained hemorrhaging and bleeding saying that there is nothing they can do but vaccinate is a LIE! Treat it like scurvy and never get to that point. Additionally, some would argue the contagious point. I will see what else I can find on that note. Again, I am listening to videos on the topic and they are long. I will post what I find with time stamps.
Yes Lori the preferred treatment is the one that makes the most money. Injury or death is part of the business. Damages paid out by pharma are nothing compared to the billions they make. The next moneymaker will be monkeypox.
I do agree with your last sentence. However with scurvy the slightest touch will cause bruising. Internal bleeding will cause your skin to look splotchy.
Skeptical indeed. Gay men are the target once again. The Marxists claim to embrace them but, as AZT demonstrated, they actually want them dead. And more vaccines for them-perfect! Why not throw in some remdesivir for treatment while they are at it? Bari’s choices for medical pieces show you can take someone out of NYT but you can’t fully take NYT out of that someone!
That last sentence is a stone classic--bull's eye!
Yes, that NYT angle always seems to find a way to crop up in any article, doesn't it?
However, it is important to be aware of what is out there. It's curious and curiouser to discover Monkeypox was being discussed a few years ago by the usual suspects. I watched a video or two on it.
Here are two. There are more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDjQ8ivwbCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6cD-VWhQY
The video should make it clear to anyone their game plan, yet too many are under the zombie spell of Gates and Xi and Klaus. Gates pontificating about his concern for minorities - unless you happen to be one of his lab rats in Africa. Gates and China are the ones buying up our land as well - how long before people realize that their tentacles intend to choke every aspect of your life. Thanks for sharing❤️
Sure, I'm not against discussion of Monkey Pox or much of anything else just completely over being victimized by fear mongers.
Me too. This was so over the top. I really can’t believe Bari published it.
Bari is still closely associated with NYT culture, just not an employee of the paper itself
Perhaps those outliers in society need feel validated as now they want us all dead. The deception, harms, and intent to divide and conquer are very personal and very real.
It's circulating among sex workers. Many more people than we may be aware avail themselves of sex workers (prostitutes). We also have a tragic human trafficking operation going on across the nation thanks to the Biden administration and the importation of millions of illegals. Many of those women and children are being forced into prostitution.
A man goes to a prostitute, picks up the disease, then takes it home to his wife/girlfriend/lover.
This disease may end up circulating primarily the way HIV did and not affect the majority of Americans. It is still troubling.
At first heterosexuals were all relieved we weren’t at risk for AIDS, until…..
I don’t like to dwell in alarmism either, but I do remember AIDS vividly. And the stories of how it inevitably jumped to heterosexuals. Whether this is actually likely with monkey pox won’t matter if the story gets out it can.
But heterosexuals weren’t really at risk, not like gay men. It’s especially difficult for a man to get hiv from a woman. The threat was really overblown.
HIV was in Africa a long time before it came to the US via Haiti. As with covid there are different sub-types and can affect people differently.
Being a “reader” I have to put a plug in for “and the band played on” an exhaustive, well researched book on the AIDS epidemic. The press tried to characterize it as an indictment of the Reagan administration (big surprise!! Some things never change!!). But it was really an indictment of almost everyone/and every group involved.
Agreed. That was by the late Randy Shilts. I, too, thought of the book as I read this article.
Randy was ten times the journalist this mediocrity is...
And at the top of the list?
Tony Fauchi.
If you go back and read some of the articles from the 80s discussing HIV, you'll see Tony getting skewered by the Gay folks, but back then, they didn't have the voice they do today, so nobody paid attention to the comments criticizing the grandstanding narcissist back then.
It astonishes me that the LGB community won't loudly recall who did what back then. I guess supporting the Dem agenda is more important than reminding everyone how harmful Fauci was to their community at that time. He shouldn't get a pass.
I recall the predictions for HIV/AIDS in the 1980's. NIH and CDC were predicting it would spread through the population the way Herpes had with millions infected.
We know they were wrong because HIV is primarily spread through blood and semen. It was particularly infectious for homosexual men because of their practice of anal sex.
HIV was confined to gay men in the U.S. because that was the population where it was introduced, not because it infects only that population. In Africa it has been a terrible plague for both sexes, and heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. For a while it looked like it might largely depopulate the continent.
It did not help that, in Africa, the superstition was rife that having sex with a virgin would cure you of AIDS.
From the outset this article impressed me as being wreck-less fear mongering. We have been subjected to so much drivel of this sort I don’t see the point in lending any credibility to it by taking it seriously. The media have only themselves to blame. Picking it apart piece by boring piece is simply a waste of time.
Interesting words reckless and wreckless. Sound the same, mean the opposite :)
It's always better to know and have information.
Yes, which is why I still engage in reading any of this useless information. Better to understand how stupidity exists and sustains itself than not.
It wasn't all "useless." I have been reading all the articles about Monkeypox that come across my purview. I learn something from all of them.
"Useless" information still informs. First it must be identified as useless. I suppose we should be grateful to those supplying useless information for being willing to stand up and be so identified. Discussion in a free society should be revered.