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Linda in MI's avatar

I thought Nikki Haley’s response to the abortion topic was excellent, something republicans have needed to say for decades! It’s so simple, but instead republicans would rather lose an election because of this one topic than compromise. But I’m still a Vivek fan.

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The Shadowbanned's avatar

Haley was the runner-up for sure. She came off as the most personable and electable candidate; some cross between populism and practicality without the oiliness of DeSantis (even though I'm a huge fan of DeSantis on policy).

However, her unabashed support for Ukraine is the one platform I can't get behind. American money - and lives - should not be spent on a creepy totalitarian state on the other side of the world.

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SC's avatar

How is DeSantis oily? He seems normal to me. Pretty down to earth.

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Brian Katz's avatar

I agree, her message on this topic was perfect.

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DMang's avatar

She also said India and China needed to bow to our preachy foreign policy-that deducts points for countries that aren’t on the woke bandwagon-to reverse the climate crisis. “Be like America” isn’t selling well around the globe anymore.

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Daniel Meehan's avatar

Agreed. Her best moment.

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Dakinisimo's avatar

Yeah, being practical is not popular at this moment in history. A singularly stupid moment. Andrew Klavan of The Daily Wire said something along the lines that, while the Republican base thinks that voting for anything short of full abortion bans is evil, what is actually evil is voting in such a way that more abortions happen because you virtue-signaled instead of winning.

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Nancy Proctor's avatar

Voting for mothers to murder their children (at any stage of development) in order to boost a party’s odds of winning a political contest is most certainly evil. Better to lose the nation than your soul.

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The Shadowbanned's avatar

Disagree from a Utilitarian perspective. I'd rather save 100,000 children than 0 children. I'd rather save every child murdered in the 2nd or 3rd trimester (and mourn those aborted in the first trimester) than allow unrestricted abortion up until birth because the platform is politically untenable. If it's about saving lives, saving those lives is a far greater purpose than making a statement.

Ultimately, it's about saving as many lives as is possible, not about pretending the impossible is possible.

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Michelle Lobdell's avatar

Hearts are won a personal, not national, level. Stopping people from supporting abortion takes changing hearts. Politics will never accomplish that.

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Dakinisimo's avatar

Amen. My mind was changed. I used to kind of think abortion was none of my business. Then, 2 things happened: I saw this awful feminist comedian do a “comedy” routine actually CELEBRATING abortion. I literally almost threw up. I couldn’t believe the inhumanity. Next, a friend of mine told me that he wants to commit suicide when he’s “too old to enjoy life anymore”. I suddenly saw that our entire culture has become a death cult. We just can’t change that by ramming down laws that we don’t even have the power to pass. Just as actual civil rights for non-whites took 100 years to accomplish and was incremental, abolishing abortion will be the same, if we are to succeed. When you don’t have the biggest “army”, you have to use strategy and tactics to win.

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Bob Park's avatar

A 6, 12 or 15-week abortion ban is better than the Democrat view that abortion should be allowed up to the time of birth. Holding out for a complete ban will result in the Dems' position winning the day. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

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Dakinisimo's avatar

Unfortunately in the realm of politics we don’t get to vote for Jesus. Only for imperfect humans in an imperfect world. It’s always about voting for the least evil thing. True good is never on the ballot.

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Mickel Knight's avatar

... and you can go to Heaven after what is hopefully a long happy life knowing you prevented zero babies from being aborted.

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Nancy Proctor's avatar

I certainly hope for Heaven and appreciate your good wishes. Nonetheless, if it’s ok for mothers to kill their children at any point then those little lives are worth nothing. Aborted children are just as dead at six-weeks prior to birth as they are at six-months prior to birth -- or indeed if they are killed after delivery. Think of it: mothers in this country demanding the continued “right” to kill their children while political parties negotiate over when those children can be killed. We’re a nation of the damned and deserving of any fate that befalls us.

May God bless and strengthen you.

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SC's avatar

I disagree. If the baby appears healthy and can live outside the womb, it can be adopted to a family who wants the child. No need to kill it.

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PSW's avatar

Agree there.

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