"And that the former president is criticizing American Jews for being ungrateful, commanding them to show him proper respect—and issuing a veiled threat if they do not."
But this isn't an accurate summary based on what he said. Trump is basically saying "Jews should stop voting for Democrats, it's me that has been helping Israel." And I…
"And that the former president is criticizing American Jews for being ungrateful, commanding them to show him proper respect—and issuing a veiled threat if they do not."
But this isn't an accurate summary based on what he said. Trump is basically saying "Jews should stop voting for Democrats, it's me that has been helping Israel." And I agree with Trump - Democrats have absolute Anti-Semites in elected office.
Truer words were never said. Among Jews in Los Angeles, they believe they must "toe the company line" because their jobs and social relationships are jeopardized if they identify as a Republican, conservative or (God forbid) a Trump supporter.
Spot On.......anti-Semitism is a cancer among the progressive base of the Democratic Party. Look no further than academia where Jewish students are harassed and discriminated against at many of our universities. Omar and her squad members have made numerous ("it's all about the Benjamins") anti-semitic remarks with no push back from Pelosi, Biden or Schumer for fear of alienating their woke base. Unfortunately, both the Labour Party in England and the Democratic Party have shown an anti-Israel and anti-Jewish bias. Moreover, I support Trump's viewpoint that American Jews who support the Democratic Party are either naive or willfully blind to what's occurring their rank and file.
I added in a few more lines to fully clarify my position, T Reid. You can see them above but I'm also noting them here: (His staunchest supporters may insist that Trump’s warning “Before it is too late!” meant “Before it is too late for America” or perhaps “too late for Israel,” the implication being that Biden isn’t as supportive of the Jewish state and so Jews need to support Trump. However you read the opaque missive, the toxic notion of the ungrateful Jew is unambiguous.)
Trump is wrong in assuming that most Jews care about Israel. Unfortunately this seems to be the case lately…and I’m not just talking about criticism. Some “Jewish” groups have shown great hostility. I don’t think it’s that Trump is demanding loyalty! He’s just disappointed. That’s all.
If I'm a Jew who can't walk down the streets of my neighborhood without suffering senseless assault how free am I? Why am I being beaten? And, where is the motivation coming from?
The internalized rage, depression and fear of people suffering the consequences of venal social and economic policy must go someplace. Consider, the well placed political LIE diverting attention from the machinations of greedy, inept second rate politicians. Blaming the victim has always worked out for tyrants. Hitler, Stalin and Mao exploited the tactic. In our back yard, Marxist's (at great personal profit) have distorted race, feminism, religion, gender, family and education to wedge and destabilize our culture and republic. They've surrounded us with hatred, confusion, alienation and isolation. People are at each others throats. The Democratic machine and the White House took the gloves off violence when it conflated criminal assault and rioting with "revolution". It is, manufactured Marxist chaos, pretending altruism, exploited by criminal finance, to cover the looting of the American people. You can have all the crisis you want but no solutions and no future.
My opinion again: Jews are a community. They support family, put a premium on the future of the child and have a direct connection to their history and myth. And most of all, they believe in the reality of God. Like the magnet to iron polarity it makes them a sure target for the empirical sterility and anti-human pathology of criminal political finance. The only thing that "trickles down" from the top of the financial dog fight is violence and war. Trump, Kanye and Biden are the exploited distractions of the controlled MSM/tech "loss of soul" reality we see around us.
As a thought: Jews and Christians both acknowledge the existence of "God". They struggle to maintain a human moral responsibility to their fellow man and a connection to their history as a people. An educated unified human community willing to act in its own best interest has always been a threat to tyrants. Reports by guest writers at this site (in my view) point to an organized assault by venal forces on the core human values elicited in the Commandments and the American Constitution. Both of which are Holy Writ to myself. "God" aside for a moment (if that's possible), the evolved consciousness of the human race long ago recognized the vital importance of human dignity in the survival of people's and civilization's. Forces violating those principals create chaos, division, anomie and collapse. Beyond the lines of demarcation that define human moral reason there are only consequences.
The personal human loss of connection to the infinite dimensionality of our living universe, loss of myth, loss of history and culture hurls a people into the pathological. In short, it's "crazy making". The 20th Century is the text book horror of ideological utopianism, and the crippling psychic split that "othered", murdered and devalued human dignity. All, in the name of an inhuman empiricism, exploited for personal power and profit, by the narcissistic malignancy of tyrants. Across the board, SUBSTACK articles report the "othering" and destruction of worthy lives. The disconnected to human reality blathering of pop culture"influencers" and the compromised machinations of political marionette's makes it clear that it is happening again. It is, an open assault on the "soul". It is evil. It is the absence of.
In many of William Blake's drawing's human evil has no eyes to see. It is mindless and controlled by forces beyond its personal reckoning. Blind destruction. A vacuum trying to fill itself with the thing it fears most. Human love and dignity.
Sing.
There is one living force informing the fact of all existence and dimensionality.
For what it's worth, OP's version is also how I read Trump's words, and I'm NO supporter of his! But I also agree with Bari that there's an echo of an old calumny ("the ungrateful Jew"). He doesn't know how to keep that spite out of his thoughts when it comes to people who don't support him. There's just something nasty ever below the surface in his remarks about non-supporters--they're un-American, foreign, not us--and it's so often that to not notice it, in my view, is to just be obtuse. I've just stopped giving a shit that it comes from narcissism in Trump rather than from supposedly-more-evil place in the human soul.
But that nastiness is also evident in the left - deplorables, desperately clinging to racists and guns, racists, white supremacists, terrorists, and my personal.favorite, attacking democracy. Until evetybody recognizes their role in the division it will continue.
Jan. 6th....filled with all those people (deplorable, racists, Christian nationalists, etc.) The Birther crowd was out in force, far better than what Trump supporters pulled in Charlottesville.
Yeah...tried to stop an election by force. Pretty much textbook definition of attacking democracy.
Do you lecture MAGA about "everybody recognizing" or is it just Democrats?
For this to be correct, you have to be saying that advocating for Trump is toxic. Bari, not everyone here thinks that. In fact, my read is that a pretty small fraction do.
But we can put it to a real test. How about having an anonymous poll. See how people’s feelings and sentiments are running.
Bari, it's not unusual at all for politicians to say that they haven't gotten the credit they deserve. Obama did it when the economy took off a year into Trump's term after languishing for years under Obama. Clinton did it in the late 90s during the tech bubble. The Republicans had taken control of both houses of congress for the first time in 40 years and Gingrich and Dole were driving the agenda and Clinton believed he deserved some credit.
You are trying to manufacture anti-semitism. We have more than enough accusations of fake racism.
Lol...didn't you know about your girl, Bari? All for "Free Speech," "tough conversations" and anti cancel culture as long as certain groups are getting gored...but the only "ism" that exist is Anti-semitism.
BTW, was amazing how the economy turned completely around in one year. Bush left Obama a killer economy and there was like zero improvement under Obama.
Bari, I appreciate Common Sense so much. As a Christian man, who takes the Bible seriously (including the Torah!) I have tremendous appreciation and respect for Jews, and the undeniably Jewish heritage of my own faith.
Looking from the outside, I do think perhaps you are overreacting to Trump’s comments (I’m not a fan of Trump, btw). Objectively, those words do not have to be received as “the toxic notion of the ungrateful Jew.” Without more context, it feels like you are trying to manufacture antisemitism where it isn’t found. Unfortunately, there is plenty of it out there - you don’t need to make this sort of stretch - just use a more unambiguous example. As it stands, that section of your post sounds a bit like TDS.
Please receive this a FRIENDLY feedback - I really do appreciate you and CS, as well as Jews, Judaism, and Israel.
I made my own comments separately, but did want to say specifically here that PARTICULARLY if we disagree, engaging in honest dialogue is useful as long as people stay cool, avoid name-calling, and both LISTEN carefully, and work hard first to inform thrmselves, think clearly, and thrn write carefully.
What I am hearing from her are fear and pain. I am not Jewish, but I am conservative, and people have been HATING on me for many years in unbelievably nasty ways. Its scary and hard to comprehend that the same people happy to hold the door for you, and who live next to you, can so publicly hate you and wish for your removal from society.
It must be much worse being Jewish, and any mother of a newborn has to be concerned about the future.
She WAS at thr NYT, but remember she very publicly repudiated their GroupThink and left. It was a very brave thing to do.
So, again, I disagree with here here and have articulated my reasons why, but am far from ready to judge her or slot her into the category Them, of one sort or another.
Each of us, in our own ways and for our own reasons, is fearful. It is a scary time. There are so many things to go wrong some days its hard not to just wish the damned apocalypse would just start, so we can get it over with. I see this pattern particularly pronounced in the many so willing to abandon their liberties and lives for the subjective safety of submergence in a Collective of one sort or another. Seemingly, this time calls for more courage than most people possess.
I can control my own life, my own words, my own decisions, and I try to do so in a positive, constructive way, and accept that my views are often contrary in some ways to EVERY group I encounter.
I do value what she has done here, and suggest you give all this a second look.
Your comment appears to be in response to my own comment. How you arrived at that word salad from my single sentence is a mystery, though perhaps you thought it a good entre for your own Sustack. Thanks, but I will pass.
One, she is not the birth mother. Perhaps maternal instincts, absent hormonal fluxes associated with delivery, still came forth for her, but I think that part of your argument is pretty much just sexist fluff. To say nothing of cloyingly embarrassing.
If you think the pushback on Bari Weiss' column here is "HATING" or particularly nasty, you might need some reconsideration of the comments here. And your own seeming self-satisfaction as a "moderate".
If you think her quitting the NYT (she really was being ostracized there, so it was more like constructive dismissal) is significant but you haven't considered why she went to work there in the very first place as some sort of comeback to my assertion, you've likely got cognition issues.
And if you think that being "fearful" is some sort of excuse for the poor assessment she made of Trump's words or, worse, inserting Trump into a non-sequitur assessment of Ke, then it is you who really needs to give her piece and the comments - including my own - a "second look".
Bloomberg, WaPo, probably NYT, KJ-P, and many other fellow travelers of the Left and the Democrat Party were fast to press with the "it's anti-semitic" narrative - you know, the way MSNBC, CNN, etc., get their talking points in sync early in the day. Pointing out that Bari Weiss followed suit is a ripe criticism.
How your asserting that someone you respond to engages in hateful and nasty is anything like "humanizing" argument is lost on me.
Why you think comments in my original and responsive comments are "abstractions" is well and truly explained only as a function of cognitive bias.
Why you think my comment, above, single sentence as it was, made "constructive dialogue impossible" says far more about you than anyone else. To the extent is says anything at all.
Seriously, you seem to be riding a lame horse into this fray. A horse named Sanctimony.
For a commenter who blathers in generalities and who has never responded to the specific challenges I've made to your statements, the sight limitations apply to you.
I'd say you're better described as insufferably narcissistic.
Time was I would have done a you to you, but astonishingly to myself, after a good 15-20 years of it I seem to be growing out of it finally. Its long past time, and I admit it honestly.
Amen! I see Bari getting a lot of flack on here - from all sides. One of the best things about Bari is that she has a diverse guests and readership. And if we all behave, we might just learn something about why people hold different views. We may not change our minds, but there is value in understanding where people are coming from.
Exactly!! Honest dialogue solves so many problems. But it requires listening, which requires openness, which requires emotional maturity, something seemingly rare any more.
I just ordered a book written in I think the 1940’s arguing “evil” is nothing more or less than immaturity, which in more modern terms might be what I decided this moment to call an Undifferentiated Personality Disorder.. I have a strong sense it is if anything more relevant today.
It has always been difficult. Perhaps the most important global contribution of Western civilization is to have placed a premium on it, rather than relying on power structures of one derivation or another.
I honestly believe that the only alternative to negotiated compromise via emotionally healthy dialogue is violence. And what Trump understands is that such violence is in fact the explicit underpinning of all left wing anti-Liberal authoritarianism.
All sides need to calm down and understand this. Once violent ideologues get power, the world inherently stops making sense.
And to the point here, the Left in aggregate HATES Israel in many ways and for many reasons.
Bari, For some reason you posts attract right wing MAGA types who are part of the cult of Trump. In fact, they also attacked Barack Obama who provided Israel with Iron Dome, the most effective anti-missile system available to this day. Neither Biden nor Obama was "in bed with Iran," but facts do not matter to members of a cult. Somehow nothing short of nuclear confrontation will please them. Many of us in the Jewish community have spoken out against the "one state solution" which is coming together as a fact on the ground, with 700,000 Jewish settlers in the territories making the establishment of two states, one Jewish and the other Palestinian, almost an impossibility. Somehow for these folks believe that the creation of one state with an Arab majority is goof for the Jews. None of us who care about Israel believes that two states are in the immediate future, or that military occupation for the sake of security is unreasonable. But the move to annex the West Bank is self-destructive. And one more thing: the Evangelical support for Israel is based upon the belief that once all Jews, (Jews by their definition) are baAretz, Jesus will return and bring on the Armageddon. What a happy thought!
What a bigoted post to paint all of us who are conservatives with this unfair statement. I thought leftists like yourself were supposed to be above this type of libel. "For some reason you posts attract right wing MAGA types who are part of the cult of Trump." What a bunch of left wing crap!
I am curious, setting aside that Trump is an asshole and should never hold public office ever again, do you agree or disagree with his statement about American Jews and their lack of support for Israel, evidenced by his comment: “before it’s too late.” ?
Because you see, that is the crux of the discussion here, in my view. All of the Trump attacks and defenses are meaningless when weighed against what he argued, and this is that Democrat American Jews do not stand up for Israel when members of their own party attack Israel.
Name calling, outright falsehoods, and anti-Christian bigotry. This is probably the worst post I've read in these forums.
Iron Dome was created by two Israeli defense companies. Obama didn't "provide" it to Israel.
The fact is that Obama did provide an airplane full of cash to Iran and lifted sanctions. That accelerated their weapons building program and didn't do anything to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
So good that you, a "MAGA" hating, "they are cultists", supposedly Jewish fella points out the evil that is Israel. And has the powers of mind reading to discern the true thinking of those "Evangelicals"! You spend too much time on left-wing websites. Grow up.
I find the posts on Bari’s common sense saddening, yours included. My wife and I have cousins, three generations of sabras living in Israel. I have never referred either here or elsewhere to Israel as “evil.” The true thinking of Evangelicals” re Israel is clear and stated in their theology; it is not from love, save a theological definition of it. I am no leftist, but rather sick if extremists on both sides including those on the right. I am a 76 year old Jewish Viet Nam veteran who volunteered to help with security during the 1967 demonstration supporting Israel during the six day war; my wife and I lived in Israel and we love it. We have traveled in Ukraine and support her brave president in resisting modern day fascism. Both the woke left and the wacko MAGA right should stop ripping our country apart and take a deep breath. We are all living in the same country. I read Bari Weiss because I found in her a kindred spirit. I will read her posts and others on this site, but I will longer waste my time reading the letters.
I meant to add a modifier to the word "sanctimony". It is "smug".
Whenever in these or other internet comments a resort to the trope of "I did this" or "I did that" is employed, I roll my eyes. Things like
"I served in Vietnam".
"I volunteered at .... "
"I lived in Israel"
"I lieve in Ukraine"
etc.
Those claims - whether true or false - are just appeals to authority to buttress a position. Generally folks resort to this when their reasoning falls short of convincing.
Half the Democratic Party is having an affair with Palestine. It was Democrats who are doing nothing as Jews are being targeting for violence in NYC. It’s the democrats who went to extraordinary lengths to make sure they Jews couldn’t meet for Temple, and couldn’t have weddings and funerals during the first year of the pandemic.
It was Trump who moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem. It was Trump who pushed the Abraham Accords through.
And once again, Bari literally wrote a puff piece of Zelensky who commands literally Nazi’s.
Spare me your “part of a cult” ad hominem, as if that has any effect on me anymore.
"the former president is criticizing American Jews for being ungrateful, commanding them to show him proper respect—and issuing a veiled threat if they do not".
Maybe I’m just a dense Gentile but what exactly is the threat, Bari? As a self-avowed Jewish “victim”, you’re entitled to you opinion, but it seems to me, and I would guess most objective Jews, that Trump was referring to the existential threat posed to Israel by Biden’s re-embrace of the Iran nuclear farce (JCPOA) he and Obama tried to shove down our collective throats. Even we Gentiles are not oblivious to the potential unraveling of the historic Abraham Accords Trump negotiated with Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain as a result.
Of course, I could be wrong. Perhaps the threat you refer to is of a much more personal variety. Exposing the hypocrisy of Jews like you who claim to be under threat from the mean orange man while Blacks and Latinos are literally being slaughtered in cities all across America because of policies implemented by democrats you obviously support is certainly more visceral. Maybe Kanye deserves some grace for appreciating the contrast.
If you are an American Conservative who has been paying attention you have long since learned to lower your expectations. We have learned to live with the strange reality that ours is a culture in which wealthy, sanctimonious progressives bemoan their “victimhood” while slandering those with opposing views or daring to point out the real victims whose blood now fills the streets.
As I've written before, you're behind the times on Ice Cube, who quickly made amends, as evidenced by this headline, "Ice Cube to headline ZOA gala months after anti-Semitic tweets." He has become become a good friend of Mort Klein.
I also would throw in - not that you're not great on the subject already - that the week before had the Berkeley Law School anti-Zionist edict.
And I would also say that the pushback to the vents of these past weeks has been pretty broad this time.
Bari I have to lean towards what T Reid says. I have often wondered why the Jewish people are putting up with those who treat them like they are in a toxic relationship. It is like the same story. My spouse only beats me because it was my fault, or they truly do love me. No, they are really ass wipes. This goes the same for other minority groups who put up with the same old shit from the Liberals.
Warren and Sanders routinely want to put blame on the Jewish people from greedy banks (code words), and to boycott Israel. AOC and the toxic squad would gladly through Israel to Iran and Hezbollah and have Israel collapse. Jewish people are attacked in New York on the streets. Why the hate speech which says the Jewish people are really the rulers and get rich off the poor workers. Wonder where we have heard that kind of speech before. If you think that AOC and the Squad cannot generate the support for dumping Isarel, then I do not know what to say other than no one thought the short funny looking guy with a weird mustache could control a country either.
The Jewish people need to support those who will help them and offer the support they need and maybe actually help the Middle East find peace. Remember, even Henry K was against supplying weapons during the conflict where Isarel was surprised by the surrounding countries. Not until Isarel threatened to nuke the opposing countries capitals did the US change its stance. If Henry K, a good Irish boy (sarcasm) can take such a position, how much harder is it for Communists like AOC, Sanders, Warren, and others to do the same?
Trump for all of his faults (which are many) at least did something for Israel and the people. No wonder he is confused and upset as to why the Jewish people chose to go back to that toxic relationship with the Democrats and especially a demented old guy who was friends with Robert Byrd a true KKK believer. Tell me anything the Dems have done to help secure Israel's future?
I make no apologies for mean language, but sometimes the truth does hurt and has to be said bluntly.
This is a minefield into which I tread with trepidation. Bari, we love you but this would have been far more powerful if you had kept Trump out of it. Pew reported that before the 2020 presidential election, nearly three-quarters of Jewish adults disapproved of the job Trump was doing as president, while just 27% rated him positively – far below the 65% who approved of President Barack Obama’s job performance in 2013. Despite Trump's unprecedented support of Israel - the Jewish state - by moving the embassy, supplying military aid and fomenting the peace deals with Arab states. So it's a fair political point despite what you think of the man who made it.
Kanye's statements are something entirely different. He may be troubled but he is also routinely feted and lionized in certain quarters. And the beast that he was feeding is awakening in a very frightening pace; not least among those institutions of "higher learning" that should know better. Kanye's points weren't political but rather of they type that led to pogroms and worse. The danger in them needs to be taught, especially to the young who don't remember why we say "never again."
I modified what I posted above, in particular for You, Sir Bruce.
I normally try to read most-a the comments on these articles. I'll skip it this time, because they're most 100% predictable. You in the MAGA crowd simply go ballistic and berserk when the least bit of negativity comes up about Your HERO, the Donald.
The problem is: You're, basically, no better than the Woke acolytes when it comes to being delusional. Sorry if that hurts Your feelings, but it's true. Your delusions are certainly *different* than, and pretty much the opposite of, the delusions of the Woke. But delusions are delusions.
Simple litmus test:
Why didn't Trump just tell Jewish people to dump the Dems and vote for him? Why call them ungrateful?
Answer: As one poster wrote, all he wants is loyalty and devotion. Funny how that's *exactly* what the MAGA crowd gives him, whether he deserves it or not.
How many times have a read how Trump is an arsehole, written by somebody who voted for him. Who doesn't like him, *personally,* but voted for him. Weeeell, You liked him enough to vote for him, right? A guy who tried to overthrow the elected President. That's the sad, but indisputable fact of the matter.
And let's be honest, okay? You'll vote for him again, right? The guy that, not only threatened, but attempted, to overthrow the Constitutionally-elected government. Funny how many-a You claim to support the Constitution. Hypocrisy being one-a the oldest delusions ever, right?
Now, we went back and forth about whether what Trump did was *legal* or not. The guy that came up with the plan, John Eastman, tried to disavow his actions after the plan fell through. He's a constitutional lawyer, so that tells me a lot.
So I think Bari makes a pretty good point. When it's the choice between the Dems and Trump, there isn't muchuva choice between the lesser of two evils. They both feed in the same gutter.
As far as Kanye, I agree with both You and M. Bari. The problem, as I see it, is that Blacks are ascendant these days and can do no wrong. Even when they do wrong, it's not wrong. CAN'T be said to be wrong. That'd be RACIST.
Right? Well, if so, it's gonna take a lotta these kinds-a "racists" to straighten this mess out. All the above IMO, 'course.
Dear jt, I don’t need to re-enter into our friendly debate again, but respectfully,
I just want to affirm that I believe the OPPOSITE is true, that your feelings against Trump have YOU as the blinded one, in spite of all you write (and you *have* written your position well!), but much to all our danger. Thanks and God bless
We are an immovable rock facing an unstoppable force. Trump is a force that needs to be stopped.
Here's the thing. ONE-a us can see that when Trump was President, he did some good things, and he did some bad things. Like any President. You see that? Or not?
But he did one REALLY BAD THING when he tried to overthrow the Constitutionally elected government. This is a FACT. It's INDISPUTABLY a fact.
Or do You deny this is a fact?
Or do You give Trump a pass on trying to ignore a democratic election?
I don't recall You ever facing these (in my mind, INDISPUTABLE) FACTS.
I'm willing to go part way: The election wasn't *fair.* There wasn't enough coverage in the media about Biden's apparent lapses. But the media, liberal and Fox? I don't expect them to be fair. Do You?
There were lapses in procedures followed. Some was justified by COVID being rampant. Some probably weren't. I need to study it more.
But will You go part way? The idea that the election was *stolen* is a fantasy made up by Trump. Most likely it's just because he's a sore loser. That's the personality he's displayed anyway.
We disagree NUMBER ONE that “the force to be stopped” is Trump.
We disagree that the level of GOOD President Trump did was just on the scale of “any other president” (Much less this one!!! God help us!!!).
There is no need to go any further.
No, it’s not a “fact.” Just another misrepresentation of Trump’s intentions and actions so redolent in his entire presidency.
I cannot convince you of the truth of Jan 6 any more than I could convince you earlier of anything we have spoken of. There are better, more informed sources and true accounts for this. But you won’t listen to them either? There is nothing I can do here.
Just please reread Orwell, just as an exercise, without citing “Trump” as the villain. But as the institutionalized villain. God save us all.
Well jt, you have you facts a bit skewed. You say "You liked him enough to vote for him, right? A guy who tried to overthrow the elected President." You forget that the election was in November 2020; January 6th was in 2021. After the election. And no, Trump didn't cover himself in glory but neither did those who screeched it was "an insurrection."
Would I vote for Trump again? In a primary vs. DeSantis. No way. In a general against some leftist Dem who has no business running even a lemonade stand - (think Harris, Buttigieg, Beto et al) yeah probably. Why? Because we'd be in a whole lot better place now if America hadn't elected a senile imbecile. And Biden has threatened civil liberties way more than Trump. In fact, Trump never arrested even one political opponent. Some Orange Dictator.
I didn't get the facts skewed. I didn't write very well. I think the fact that You voted for this charlatan makes it difficult for You to see him objectively. Which is also a fact.
I'm glad You won't vote for a Dem for President. Also happy You won't vote for Trump in the primary, if DeSantis runs. But it's not a question of people covering themselves in glory calling what Trump did an attempted insurrection. It's a question of the facts of the matter and that Trump *did* attempt it.
I can't see how anyone could vote for Trump, after seeing him try that. But, first, You would hafta see Trump objectively enough to know that he did, right? Then it's a question of how can You overlook something like that?
Look jt, Trump should not be President again. For many reasons. He'll be too old. He's too divisive. His embrace of Eastman's goofy plan raises questions about this judgment. We just need new blood. Trump is old news and I wish he had he grace to slip away.
You make the same mistake that many do. They are unable to separate their political posturing from the importance of standing up for what’s right for Israel. Bruce is 100% correct. I hate Trump as well and hope he never runs again. At the same time, I make my decisions for Israel irrespective of the political consequences.
I'm not making any attempt to stand up for Jews, one way or the other. You'll vote according to Your own political posturing.
If You vote for Trump in '24, You're voting for someone who attempted to overthrow the government. You may see that as a wise move for Jews to make. I think it's a bad move for *anyone* to make. To me, people are people. And people that will vote for Trump, knowing what he did, or willfully ignoring the facts of the matter, are making a big mistake.
You are saying that Bruce agrees with what Trump said because he is a Trump supporter. That’s wrong. Bruce agrees with what Trump said because Trump was correct in so far as Israel is concerned.
No, You're the one that is wrong. I'm glad for the moves Trump made as far as Israel goes.
I'm saying that both You and Bruce can't see Trump for the moron he is. He shouldn'a called Jews INGRATES, if he's trying to get them to vote for him, right?
But, more to the point, I saying that You two have a real blind spot when it comes to Trump and the Constitution. Those two things are opposed to each other.
Note jt that the use of the term INGRATES was not in Trump's tweet. It was in your post. And numerous news stories but not in the tweet, itself. I think when criticizing people for the words they use, the actual words matter - not the characterization of them. Trump says many dumb or regrettable things, but the ones for which he is most memorable - "all Mexicans are rapists," people supporting the KKK are "good people," etc. are things he never said. Transcripts and videotapes are evidence. Hearsay is garbage.
Weeeel, Bruce... I thought we were gonna drop it. I hope You note my apology above.
Please read what I write *carefully.* I *already* noted I was wrong about the "ingrates" thing. I quoted what M. Bari wrote, which would lead One to think what I did about Trump's tweet. As You know, I don't follow social media myself.
I feel sorry for almost anyone who follows Twitter. It ruins One's ability to read longer articles or comments. Oh, One can read them. Just not comprehend them. Dunno if that explains what Lynne wrote about me being a troll, or not.
jt, what more do I need to say other than Trump is an ass and should not run for re-election again ?
I am Jewish and pissed off at the 70% of American Jews who put their party ahead of being a Jew. So I have to agree with what Trump said, I say it all the time. And yes, what I say pisses off my Jewish American friends. But I will not stop saying it.
I can understand the draw, because Trump did good things for Israel. And I can *certainly* understand pointing out that the Dems are useless fools.
The thing is, would You *vote* for Trump *AGAIN??* And I think I know the answer to that.
It's one thing to vote for a moron. That seems to be a requirement for the office. It's another not to be able to see that he *is* a moron.
But the main thing is that whatever Trump did for Israel is *vastly* overwhelmed by what he did *against* America. Which, mainly but not exclusively, was him trying to overthrow the government. Leastways if You value the Constitution and the rule of law. That's all I'm saying.
If Trump gain the REP presidential nomination, I don't know what I will do. I can't vote for the Communist Party. and Trump scares me. I believe he has gone completely off the rails.
Would I vote for, a party hell bent on enslaving us or a mad man? I just hope the mad man doesn't win the nomination.
First of all jt, Trump is not a moron. He may be a bombastic asshole. But, unlike Biden, who is patently cognitively impaired Trump is an unimpaired asshole Second, nowhere in his tweet did he call American Jews 'ingrates.' That's an inference drawn, not his words. Furthermore, if contesting an election is tantamount to "overthrowing the government," then Democrats are routinely guilty of that. Trump was making a political point. Not different from the point that Hispanics are fleeing the Democrat Party because it is antithetical to their values of church and family. West, on the other hand, was summoning some very dark forces that have led to unspeakable horrors in the past.
jt you make a mistake in thinking I'm a Trump acolyte or view him as a HERO. If I were, I would want him to run again. I have stated repeatedly here that he is too old and too divisive. If I were, I wouldn't agree with others here that he's kind of an asshole. Does that sound like hero-worship? Sure I voted for him over Biden. What sane person would vote for a senile imbecile, not least the insane policies he mumbled. It's kind of insulting to be called a servile, starry eyed zombie Trumpster when all I did is point out that Trump was making a fair political point while West was summoning a very dark beast. Maybe I'm not the one who leaps to conclusions? Just think about it.
My point was more general than only being directed at You, Sir Bruce.
But if You're gonna vote for Trump in '24, then I think most-a my points stand.
And You're being ridiculous using words like "a servile, starry eyed Zombie Trumpster." But I noticed You didn't answer the question I posed in the litmus test, did You? Trump made a stupid mistake, to call the Jewish people "ungrateful." He had the option to make his point, without slurring a whole group-a people, right?
What if he'd said that about You and Yours? "You're whole 'whatever-group' is a bunch of ungrateful 'whatevers'." Is that really the way to get people to vote for You?
So I'll ask You and anyone who reads this: Why is it simply *impossible* to see that Trump did something pretty foolish. (Going by what M. Weiss posted. Dunno the exact context.) Given there are so many *better* ways of saying that he would like to get their votes.
Nowhere in his tweet did Trump use the word "ingrate." If it's ok to observe that Hispanics are deserting the Democrats because they are antithetical to the values of family and faith and the many Hispanics embrace, then why is it out of bounds to question the continued support by American Jews of Democrats who are antithetical to the best interests of Israel? Or worse, openly anti-Semitic. (the Squad?). Saying Trump was being both misquoted and mistreated doesn't imply unqualified support for him.
Weeeel, I previously gave You the one about Trump being misquoted. I was just going by what M. Weiss wrote, but she didn't put it in quotes. The thing about the Hispanics doesn't even pertain to this "conversation." You certainly never saw *me* say You (or Trump) couldn't question American Jews voting for Dems.
And, yeah, I'll grant that You haven't given "unqualified support" for him. But, AFAIK, You'd still vote for this blankety-blank, so there is that.
If there was any need to prove how bad things are for Jews now in America, the highest-liked comment on this article on Common Sense (very ironic!) is not one commenting on the exploding anti-semitism in the US, on West’s unchallenged vitriolic statements, but one vigorously defending Trump’s attitude towards the ungrateful Jews!
Unfortunately, there are 50million (or maybe 30 excluding the bots) who DO follow his every word, lyric, interview and lap it up. If just a tiny fraction are influenced against Jews or heaven forbid use it as the motivation they were looking for to torment violence against visible Jews walking to synagogue, the impact could be horrific.
I totally agree with you. This isn’t some kind of joke that should be brushed under the table. Kanye has 22 million followers, Jewish population in total is 13.5 million. That’s a lot of people listening to his rants. I believe the anti semitism exhibiting itself all over the world is just the beginning of something far more nefarious . Stop explaining or apologizing to the people who hate us! Stop giving Holocaust museum tours to people who hate us. We are not quivering Jews anymore .
As someone who only started following Ye on SM after his most recent grift, I'd like to hope that there are many like me who have started following for the trainwreck and not a ignorant pop culture fans. But I honestly doubt that given how popularized anti-Semitism has become again. I've had to unfollow several right wing accounts that were providing excellent commentary on the state of American affairs only to show that they too were anti-semites. I have always considered myself an ardent ally to the Jewish community, liberal, conservative, or otherwise. I can assure you that if the time comes, I will be standing shoulder to shoulder with you in the breach. I hope there are more like me who feel the same.
If there is need to prove the intellectual bankruptcy of the Left, it's seen in this absurd effort to portray warnings about the Left's anti-Semitism as themselves anti-Semitic.
Trump and his son in law Jared Kushner did more for Jews worldwide than any democrat past or present. When people show you who they are, believe them the first time. Left leaning Jews in the US still don’t understand the Antisemitism around them. They will continue to ignore, minimize and laugh about it until it comes for them, and it will come for them. History has shown us time and again. I am religiously liberal but when my people are threatened, I will defend and stand up. Some of us will never go like lambs to the slaughter ever again and we won’t be Jews with trembling knees. We know it starts with words (but never ends there.)
Yes, some did comply without much protest at the beginning not imagining what horror could be in store for them and some fought like lions and died fighting back. In no way do I mean to imply that Jews did not fight back. I mean to make the point that we should not ever be surprised at what could be done to us nor lulled into a complacency where we don’t understand where this type of thing can and does lead.
I used to wonder how the Holocaust happened. How could people let it happen. But I feel like I am watching the same pre-Holocaust things play our before my eyes. Don't speak against the narrative. Don't arm yourself. Embrace string central government.
I see it too. I am disgusted that all of my Democrat friends are going along it. I just don't know what to say or do anymore. I share articles from Common Sense and there's never a response. How much of that is FB burying it or people not caring, I can't say. I also notice younger generations watching Youtube rather than reading articles. I'm afraid the ones who should be reading are not doing so.
Jews did not fight back, not until the Warsaw Ghetto revolt. It seems no one really believed the danger was so acute. Certainly, German Jews were so integrated in German society that they could not imagine the unimagineable. And what could they do? With your children and wife at your back, what could you do? These were not commandos. They were businessmen, accountants, ordinary people.
Please vote for republicans in the midterms - as an independent, a Jew and as a citizen of the rapidly deteriorating state of the world, I implore you. The Biden/Obama legacy is one of chaos, power vacuum and self-immolation. It would’ve taken a dystopian imagination to have anticipated how far and quickly we have fallen (& in tandem with the values of our 401Ks.) We literally cannot afford any more of this.
I am going to guess one of the reasons you don’t want Trump because we will back to a place where Democrats are attacking him non -stop. I say “bring it on”! I will never vote Democratic again. THEY are the racists.
Yes! I have Black friends who said the same thing— “I will never vote Democrat again. Forty years! I am sorry and ashamed!”
“Bring it on!!” Yes to you. :) High-five.
Also, I say the same thing as you!: “this ain’t Grandma’s Democrats.” If only I could convince my 90-year-old grandmother and so many others in my native blue state, who are entirely conservative yet believe everything CNN tells them. That ALONE would swing an election. If people just would believe the truth. God bless.
Actually, that's not it. I can't vote for any politician that undermines democracy as a whole. I liked a lot of his middle east policy, and I can't stand the woke left, but destroying the bedrock of our society is a price I won't pay.
So how do you feel about a well-heeled political candidate's campaign paying for a fake dossier, supplying it to the FBI which then (knowing it is fake) uses it to justify FISA warrants to spy, on er I mean investigate, yeah that's it investigate, the opposition candidate? Said FBI then places, er I mean leaks, that dossier to the press. Said press runs with it without verification. Said FBI has the "source" of the fake information on its payroll. It also offers another "source" a million bucks to verify the information but he can't. Thus begins the myth of Russian collusion. To my knowledge the offending political candidate who procured the false dossier nor the FBI agents involved have been held accountable.
How do you feel about a sitting Vice President who has a son being paid $85,000 a month by a foreign energy company when said son has no legitimate qualifications for the position? What about when the Vice President father is heard on tape saying that only if a prosecutor investigating said energy company is fired will the country where the energy company is domiciled receive the foreign aid it is earmarked to receive? Which worked. Said prosecutor was indeed fired and said son continued to receive the payola. (Fast forward to the present when the former VP as President authorized billions of dollars in money and military equipment to that same country.
Spare me the protests about Putin's aggression. Not our circus, not our monkeys absent the involvement of three Democrat President's. There is no way on God's little green earth that Ukraine could withstand the Russian invasion without the help of the US.) Spare me the lamentations about whataboutism. If you do not care about these things then you have a double standard. The rule of law cannot exist that way. The people I have asked about have done far more to destroy the bedrock of society than a pissed off man who tried to figure out a legal way to stop a shady election. He was talking to lawyers, not generals. And it was a shady election contrived by the faux elites that I despise with a vitriol that defies description.
The Steele Dossier is an embarrassment to the FBI, Hillary is sleazy, and if the acts were criminal, the actors should be prosecuted.
The Biden-Burisma also looks sleazy. However, I don't think there's a connection to the U.S.'s decision to arm the Ukrainians. And I support arming the Ukrainians.
I don't have a double-standard. Rather, Trump's criminal acts (find me votes) to overturn a legal election and his continuing attack on the democratic process trump (pun intended) my dislike for other candidates. Trump has many other flaws, too, but his attack on democracy alone disqualifies him for me.
Trump tried to find a way around a single election. Hillary Clinton's campaign participated in active fraud which did not work in terms of her election but which was the basis of attacks in the press and congessional "investigations" which continue to this day. The FBI was, and is picking winners and losers. The press is non-existent.
This has completely undermined confidence in the rule of law for half of the electorate. This is a far greater threat to democracy than anything Trump did or did not do, including saying "find me votes" or bad-mouthing Mike Pence. Now the powers that be are trying to discredit the Secret Service for not supporting the literal party line.
As for Ukraine, we are at the brink of WWIII as a result of three Democrat administrations actions in a nation in which we have no national security interests. A nation known for corruption for decades now. A nation from which the pockets of our current President were lined. While he casually discusses nuclear Armageddon with his fan club. People who voted for him because they hated Trump are complicit in the border fiasco, the economic fiasco, international instabity. They sowed but we are all reaping.
For what it is worth I do not want to see Trump run in 2024. I think he served very well and should be lauded for shedding light on the corruption in federal government. But I think he is a lightning rod at this point.
Not to mention Iran. Not to mention the cheating for Hillary in the primary and literally installing a corrupt dementia patient in his basement. Biden has set back democracy by making it acceptable to hide in your basement, not debate (the now favorite move of most dem candidates for congress this cycle..), not be held accountable for decisions and on the few occasions he speaks to the press - outright lies. The office of the President has been demeaned far more by Biden than Trump. The Obiden presidency has set new lows for accountability and transparency (no records of who visits him in Delaware???!)
I agree - I didn’t hear any veiled threat above the threat that more Israel-hating squad members are rallying their kind to pull even more support of Israel and the OBidens willing to make insane deals with Iran...
Biden (AKA "Malarky Man") is a far greater danger to American and global security. Biden is weak, incompetent, senile and (after his humiliating Afghanistan withdrawal) Russia, China and Iran are aggressively pursuing their militaristic goals.
"China knows better than transgress with Taiwan".........just another Democrat defender of Biden - Harris (AKA :Dumb & Dumber). Talking about getting educated......didn't Kamala deliver a forceful speech at the DMZ hailing our "strong alliance with the Republic of North Korea".
Donald Trump was President of the USA for four years. During that time, we started zero new wars, Russia invaded zero neighbors (unlike in the Bush, Obama and Biden admins), illegal immigration was suppressed, wage growth exceeded inflation, income taxes both personal and corporate were reduced, the Abraham Accords made progress in the Middle East, ISIS was eliminated and the US murder rate decreased for 3 years of his four year term. This "clear and present danger" you speak of...where is it, aside from Twitter?
Yes, please list the Biden admin accomplishments if you don't mind.
However, your easy dismissal of the successful Trump admin based on COVID, which has continued to be a mess throughout the Biden admin and also in many other nations, seems like TDS to me.
The Interstate closest to you just might get paved. And on that same Interstate there might be charging stations for electric cars. And the electronic chips in those cars just might be built in the USA. And the electricity producing those chips just might be coming in through an expanded electrical grid. And actually some (but not most) Republicans actually voted for it. Oh, and I forgot, lowered drug prices in Medicare for some medicines (not voted for by Republicans..)
BTW, Trump's vaccine push was the best thing he ever did..
"And that the former president is criticizing American Jews for being ungrateful, commanding them to show him proper respect—and issuing a veiled threat if they do not."
But this isn't an accurate summary based on what he said. Trump is basically saying "Jews should stop voting for Democrats, it's me that has been helping Israel." And I agree with Trump - Democrats have absolute Anti-Semites in elected office.
100% correct.
Trumps says a lot of things that make sense in a way that might not. In this case he was spot on.
To be succinct, for many of my fellow American Jews today : Leftism Trumps Judaism.
Truer words were never said. Among Jews in Los Angeles, they believe they must "toe the company line" because their jobs and social relationships are jeopardized if they identify as a Republican, conservative or (God forbid) a Trump supporter.
Yes, for many American Jews, leftism is a religion, more powerful than Judaism.
Yes. This is very true. But there is more to it. See my note further down about Un-Jews.
Spot On.......anti-Semitism is a cancer among the progressive base of the Democratic Party. Look no further than academia where Jewish students are harassed and discriminated against at many of our universities. Omar and her squad members have made numerous ("it's all about the Benjamins") anti-semitic remarks with no push back from Pelosi, Biden or Schumer for fear of alienating their woke base. Unfortunately, both the Labour Party in England and the Democratic Party have shown an anti-Israel and anti-Jewish bias. Moreover, I support Trump's viewpoint that American Jews who support the Democratic Party are either naive or willfully blind to what's occurring their rank and file.
I added in a few more lines to fully clarify my position, T Reid. You can see them above but I'm also noting them here: (His staunchest supporters may insist that Trump’s warning “Before it is too late!” meant “Before it is too late for America” or perhaps “too late for Israel,” the implication being that Biden isn’t as supportive of the Jewish state and so Jews need to support Trump. However you read the opaque missive, the toxic notion of the ungrateful Jew is unambiguous.)
Trump is wrong in assuming that most Jews care about Israel. Unfortunately this seems to be the case lately…and I’m not just talking about criticism. Some “Jewish” groups have shown great hostility. I don’t think it’s that Trump is demanding loyalty! He’s just disappointed. That’s all.
If I'm a Jew who can't walk down the streets of my neighborhood without suffering senseless assault how free am I? Why am I being beaten? And, where is the motivation coming from?
The internalized rage, depression and fear of people suffering the consequences of venal social and economic policy must go someplace. Consider, the well placed political LIE diverting attention from the machinations of greedy, inept second rate politicians. Blaming the victim has always worked out for tyrants. Hitler, Stalin and Mao exploited the tactic. In our back yard, Marxist's (at great personal profit) have distorted race, feminism, religion, gender, family and education to wedge and destabilize our culture and republic. They've surrounded us with hatred, confusion, alienation and isolation. People are at each others throats. The Democratic machine and the White House took the gloves off violence when it conflated criminal assault and rioting with "revolution". It is, manufactured Marxist chaos, pretending altruism, exploited by criminal finance, to cover the looting of the American people. You can have all the crisis you want but no solutions and no future.
My opinion again: Jews are a community. They support family, put a premium on the future of the child and have a direct connection to their history and myth. And most of all, they believe in the reality of God. Like the magnet to iron polarity it makes them a sure target for the empirical sterility and anti-human pathology of criminal political finance. The only thing that "trickles down" from the top of the financial dog fight is violence and war. Trump, Kanye and Biden are the exploited distractions of the controlled MSM/tech "loss of soul" reality we see around us.
As a thought: Jews and Christians both acknowledge the existence of "God". They struggle to maintain a human moral responsibility to their fellow man and a connection to their history as a people. An educated unified human community willing to act in its own best interest has always been a threat to tyrants. Reports by guest writers at this site (in my view) point to an organized assault by venal forces on the core human values elicited in the Commandments and the American Constitution. Both of which are Holy Writ to myself. "God" aside for a moment (if that's possible), the evolved consciousness of the human race long ago recognized the vital importance of human dignity in the survival of people's and civilization's. Forces violating those principals create chaos, division, anomie and collapse. Beyond the lines of demarcation that define human moral reason there are only consequences.
The personal human loss of connection to the infinite dimensionality of our living universe, loss of myth, loss of history and culture hurls a people into the pathological. In short, it's "crazy making". The 20th Century is the text book horror of ideological utopianism, and the crippling psychic split that "othered", murdered and devalued human dignity. All, in the name of an inhuman empiricism, exploited for personal power and profit, by the narcissistic malignancy of tyrants. Across the board, SUBSTACK articles report the "othering" and destruction of worthy lives. The disconnected to human reality blathering of pop culture"influencers" and the compromised machinations of political marionette's makes it clear that it is happening again. It is, an open assault on the "soul". It is evil. It is the absence of.
In many of William Blake's drawing's human evil has no eyes to see. It is mindless and controlled by forces beyond its personal reckoning. Blind destruction. A vacuum trying to fill itself with the thing it fears most. Human love and dignity.
Sing.
There is one living force informing the fact of all existence and dimensionality.
"In my Father's mansion there are many rooms."
For what it's worth, OP's version is also how I read Trump's words, and I'm NO supporter of his! But I also agree with Bari that there's an echo of an old calumny ("the ungrateful Jew"). He doesn't know how to keep that spite out of his thoughts when it comes to people who don't support him. There's just something nasty ever below the surface in his remarks about non-supporters--they're un-American, foreign, not us--and it's so often that to not notice it, in my view, is to just be obtuse. I've just stopped giving a shit that it comes from narcissism in Trump rather than from supposedly-more-evil place in the human soul.
Nailed it. His father damaged him.
But that nastiness is also evident in the left - deplorables, desperately clinging to racists and guns, racists, white supremacists, terrorists, and my personal.favorite, attacking democracy. Until evetybody recognizes their role in the division it will continue.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/story/2016/11/david-duke-trump-victory-2016-election-231072%3f_amp=true
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/05/488802494/former-kkk-leader-david-duke-says-of-course-trump-voters-are-his-voters
Jan. 6th....filled with all those people (deplorable, racists, Christian nationalists, etc.) The Birther crowd was out in force, far better than what Trump supporters pulled in Charlottesville.
Yeah...tried to stop an election by force. Pretty much textbook definition of attacking democracy.
Do you lecture MAGA about "everybody recognizing" or is it just Democrats?
For this to be correct, you have to be saying that advocating for Trump is toxic. Bari, not everyone here thinks that. In fact, my read is that a pretty small fraction do.
But we can put it to a real test. How about having an anonymous poll. See how people’s feelings and sentiments are running.
What say you?
Bari, it's not unusual at all for politicians to say that they haven't gotten the credit they deserve. Obama did it when the economy took off a year into Trump's term after languishing for years under Obama. Clinton did it in the late 90s during the tech bubble. The Republicans had taken control of both houses of congress for the first time in 40 years and Gingrich and Dole were driving the agenda and Clinton believed he deserved some credit.
You are trying to manufacture anti-semitism. We have more than enough accusations of fake racism.
Lol...didn't you know about your girl, Bari? All for "Free Speech," "tough conversations" and anti cancel culture as long as certain groups are getting gored...but the only "ism" that exist is Anti-semitism.
BTW, was amazing how the economy turned completely around in one year. Bush left Obama a killer economy and there was like zero improvement under Obama.
Why are you engaging in "cancel culture," Bari? You're all for "Free Speech" and "tough conversations" re: others.
What's different here?
Bari, I appreciate Common Sense so much. As a Christian man, who takes the Bible seriously (including the Torah!) I have tremendous appreciation and respect for Jews, and the undeniably Jewish heritage of my own faith.
Looking from the outside, I do think perhaps you are overreacting to Trump’s comments (I’m not a fan of Trump, btw). Objectively, those words do not have to be received as “the toxic notion of the ungrateful Jew.” Without more context, it feels like you are trying to manufacture antisemitism where it isn’t found. Unfortunately, there is plenty of it out there - you don’t need to make this sort of stretch - just use a more unambiguous example. As it stands, that section of your post sounds a bit like TDS.
Please receive this a FRIENDLY feedback - I really do appreciate you and CS, as well as Jews, Judaism, and Israel.
❤️
A gentlemanly and clear response. Well said.
Bari
To use your own words -- you went on " vacation from history" (forgive me if it is actually Dara Horn's words). Come back please asap!
I made my own comments separately, but did want to say specifically here that PARTICULARLY if we disagree, engaging in honest dialogue is useful as long as people stay cool, avoid name-calling, and both LISTEN carefully, and work hard first to inform thrmselves, think clearly, and thrn write carefully.
Exactly. Let's ignore the trolls, if we can. (I don't always manage it).
Bari Weiss simply regurgitated what she read at WaPo, probably NYT, and what she heard from KJ-P. I can’t give her much credit for the column.
What I am hearing from her are fear and pain. I am not Jewish, but I am conservative, and people have been HATING on me for many years in unbelievably nasty ways. Its scary and hard to comprehend that the same people happy to hold the door for you, and who live next to you, can so publicly hate you and wish for your removal from society.
It must be much worse being Jewish, and any mother of a newborn has to be concerned about the future.
She WAS at thr NYT, but remember she very publicly repudiated their GroupThink and left. It was a very brave thing to do.
So, again, I disagree with here here and have articulated my reasons why, but am far from ready to judge her or slot her into the category Them, of one sort or another.
Each of us, in our own ways and for our own reasons, is fearful. It is a scary time. There are so many things to go wrong some days its hard not to just wish the damned apocalypse would just start, so we can get it over with. I see this pattern particularly pronounced in the many so willing to abandon their liberties and lives for the subjective safety of submergence in a Collective of one sort or another. Seemingly, this time calls for more courage than most people possess.
I can control my own life, my own words, my own decisions, and I try to do so in a positive, constructive way, and accept that my views are often contrary in some ways to EVERY group I encounter.
I do value what she has done here, and suggest you give all this a second look.
Your comment appears to be in response to my own comment. How you arrived at that word salad from my single sentence is a mystery, though perhaps you thought it a good entre for your own Sustack. Thanks, but I will pass.
One, she is not the birth mother. Perhaps maternal instincts, absent hormonal fluxes associated with delivery, still came forth for her, but I think that part of your argument is pretty much just sexist fluff. To say nothing of cloyingly embarrassing.
If you think the pushback on Bari Weiss' column here is "HATING" or particularly nasty, you might need some reconsideration of the comments here. And your own seeming self-satisfaction as a "moderate".
If you think her quitting the NYT (she really was being ostracized there, so it was more like constructive dismissal) is significant but you haven't considered why she went to work there in the very first place as some sort of comeback to my assertion, you've likely got cognition issues.
And if you think that being "fearful" is some sort of excuse for the poor assessment she made of Trump's words or, worse, inserting Trump into a non-sequitur assessment of Ke, then it is you who really needs to give her piece and the comments - including my own - a "second look".
Bloomberg, WaPo, probably NYT, KJ-P, and many other fellow travelers of the Left and the Democrat Party were fast to press with the "it's anti-semitic" narrative - you know, the way MSNBC, CNN, etc., get their talking points in sync early in the day. Pointing out that Bari Weiss followed suit is a ripe criticism.
I was trying to humanize the narrative, but if you want to turn everyone into abstractions and judge them, have at it.
I would simply suggest that making constructive dialogue impossible is a bad strategy from any perspective I can see.
How your asserting that someone you respond to engages in hateful and nasty is anything like "humanizing" argument is lost on me.
Why you think comments in my original and responsive comments are "abstractions" is well and truly explained only as a function of cognitive bias.
Why you think my comment, above, single sentence as it was, made "constructive dialogue impossible" says far more about you than anyone else. To the extent is says anything at all.
Seriously, you seem to be riding a lame horse into this fray. A horse named Sanctimony.
Or perhaps self awareness and emotional intelligence.
I would assert that the blind do not see what they dont see. Feel free to disagree.
For a commenter who blathers in generalities and who has never responded to the specific challenges I've made to your statements, the sight limitations apply to you.
I'd say you're better described as insufferably narcissistic.
Time was I would have done a you to you, but astonishingly to myself, after a good 15-20 years of it I seem to be growing out of it finally. Its long past time, and I admit it honestly.
The stage is yours, and yours alone.
Amen! I see Bari getting a lot of flack on here - from all sides. One of the best things about Bari is that she has a diverse guests and readership. And if we all behave, we might just learn something about why people hold different views. We may not change our minds, but there is value in understanding where people are coming from.
Exactly!! Honest dialogue solves so many problems. But it requires listening, which requires openness, which requires emotional maturity, something seemingly rare any more.
I just ordered a book written in I think the 1940’s arguing “evil” is nothing more or less than immaturity, which in more modern terms might be what I decided this moment to call an Undifferentiated Personality Disorder.. I have a strong sense it is if anything more relevant today.
Honest dialogue is a lost art. The world has turned into one long episode of Jerry Springer
It has always been difficult. Perhaps the most important global contribution of Western civilization is to have placed a premium on it, rather than relying on power structures of one derivation or another.
I honestly believe that the only alternative to negotiated compromise via emotionally healthy dialogue is violence. And what Trump understands is that such violence is in fact the explicit underpinning of all left wing anti-Liberal authoritarianism.
All sides need to calm down and understand this. Once violent ideologues get power, the world inherently stops making sense.
And to the point here, the Left in aggregate HATES Israel in many ways and for many reasons.
Bari, For some reason you posts attract right wing MAGA types who are part of the cult of Trump. In fact, they also attacked Barack Obama who provided Israel with Iron Dome, the most effective anti-missile system available to this day. Neither Biden nor Obama was "in bed with Iran," but facts do not matter to members of a cult. Somehow nothing short of nuclear confrontation will please them. Many of us in the Jewish community have spoken out against the "one state solution" which is coming together as a fact on the ground, with 700,000 Jewish settlers in the territories making the establishment of two states, one Jewish and the other Palestinian, almost an impossibility. Somehow for these folks believe that the creation of one state with an Arab majority is goof for the Jews. None of us who care about Israel believes that two states are in the immediate future, or that military occupation for the sake of security is unreasonable. But the move to annex the West Bank is self-destructive. And one more thing: the Evangelical support for Israel is based upon the belief that once all Jews, (Jews by their definition) are baAretz, Jesus will return and bring on the Armageddon. What a happy thought!
What a bigoted post to paint all of us who are conservatives with this unfair statement. I thought leftists like yourself were supposed to be above this type of libel. "For some reason you posts attract right wing MAGA types who are part of the cult of Trump." What a bunch of left wing crap!
"I thought leftists like yourself were supposed to be above this type of libel."
Are you kidding? Smears and falsehoods are the leftists stock and trade. Remember what they did to high school student Nick Sandman.
I am curious, setting aside that Trump is an asshole and should never hold public office ever again, do you agree or disagree with his statement about American Jews and their lack of support for Israel, evidenced by his comment: “before it’s too late.” ?
Because you see, that is the crux of the discussion here, in my view. All of the Trump attacks and defenses are meaningless when weighed against what he argued, and this is that Democrat American Jews do not stand up for Israel when members of their own party attack Israel.
Name calling, outright falsehoods, and anti-Christian bigotry. This is probably the worst post I've read in these forums.
Iron Dome was created by two Israeli defense companies. Obama didn't "provide" it to Israel.
The fact is that Obama did provide an airplane full of cash to Iran and lifted sanctions. That accelerated their weapons building program and didn't do anything to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
So good that you, a "MAGA" hating, "they are cultists", supposedly Jewish fella points out the evil that is Israel. And has the powers of mind reading to discern the true thinking of those "Evangelicals"! You spend too much time on left-wing websites. Grow up.
I find the posts on Bari’s common sense saddening, yours included. My wife and I have cousins, three generations of sabras living in Israel. I have never referred either here or elsewhere to Israel as “evil.” The true thinking of Evangelicals” re Israel is clear and stated in their theology; it is not from love, save a theological definition of it. I am no leftist, but rather sick if extremists on both sides including those on the right. I am a 76 year old Jewish Viet Nam veteran who volunteered to help with security during the 1967 demonstration supporting Israel during the six day war; my wife and I lived in Israel and we love it. We have traveled in Ukraine and support her brave president in resisting modern day fascism. Both the woke left and the wacko MAGA right should stop ripping our country apart and take a deep breath. We are all living in the same country. I read Bari Weiss because I found in her a kindred spirit. I will read her posts and others on this site, but I will longer waste my time reading the letters.
You sure sound like a leftist. You know, if it quacks like a duck...
"but I will longer waste my time reading the letters"
And I doubt anyone is going to miss your sanctimony.
I meant to add a modifier to the word "sanctimony". It is "smug".
Whenever in these or other internet comments a resort to the trope of "I did this" or "I did that" is employed, I roll my eyes. Things like
"I served in Vietnam".
"I volunteered at .... "
"I lived in Israel"
"I lieve in Ukraine"
etc.
Those claims - whether true or false - are just appeals to authority to buttress a position. Generally folks resort to this when their reasoning falls short of convincing.
Half the Democratic Party is having an affair with Palestine. It was Democrats who are doing nothing as Jews are being targeting for violence in NYC. It’s the democrats who went to extraordinary lengths to make sure they Jews couldn’t meet for Temple, and couldn’t have weddings and funerals during the first year of the pandemic.
It was Trump who moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem. It was Trump who pushed the Abraham Accords through.
And once again, Bari literally wrote a puff piece of Zelensky who commands literally Nazi’s.
Spare me your “part of a cult” ad hominem, as if that has any effect on me anymore.
"the former president is criticizing American Jews for being ungrateful, commanding them to show him proper respect—and issuing a veiled threat if they do not".
Maybe I’m just a dense Gentile but what exactly is the threat, Bari? As a self-avowed Jewish “victim”, you’re entitled to you opinion, but it seems to me, and I would guess most objective Jews, that Trump was referring to the existential threat posed to Israel by Biden’s re-embrace of the Iran nuclear farce (JCPOA) he and Obama tried to shove down our collective throats. Even we Gentiles are not oblivious to the potential unraveling of the historic Abraham Accords Trump negotiated with Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain as a result.
Of course, I could be wrong. Perhaps the threat you refer to is of a much more personal variety. Exposing the hypocrisy of Jews like you who claim to be under threat from the mean orange man while Blacks and Latinos are literally being slaughtered in cities all across America because of policies implemented by democrats you obviously support is certainly more visceral. Maybe Kanye deserves some grace for appreciating the contrast.
If you are an American Conservative who has been paying attention you have long since learned to lower your expectations. We have learned to live with the strange reality that ours is a culture in which wealthy, sanctimonious progressives bemoan their “victimhood” while slandering those with opposing views or daring to point out the real victims whose blood now fills the streets.
YES—
“Blacks and Latinos …being slaughtered…because of policies implemented by Democrats…”
“If you are an American conservative…” Yes. May I add, “while wealthy sanctimonious progressives“ WHO OWN THE MEDIA AND CONTROL THE NEWS…
Trump promotes himself and the great good he’d done because otherwise, who would?
Not bad, Tim, not bad. A bit over the top and personal, but really fairly good, if not fairly made, points.
As I've written before, you're behind the times on Ice Cube, who quickly made amends, as evidenced by this headline, "Ice Cube to headline ZOA gala months after anti-Semitic tweets." He has become become a good friend of Mort Klein.
I also would throw in - not that you're not great on the subject already - that the week before had the Berkeley Law School anti-Zionist edict.
And I would also say that the pushback to the vents of these past weeks has been pretty broad this time.
Well, Bari Weiss, when you take your cues from Karine Jean-Pierre, we know you've officially jumped the shark with the Common Sense Substack!
"'Donald Trump's comments were antisemitic, as you all know, and insulting both to Jews and our Israeli allies.'
"White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre."
A bridge too far, Bari Weiss. A bridge too far.
Bari I have to lean towards what T Reid says. I have often wondered why the Jewish people are putting up with those who treat them like they are in a toxic relationship. It is like the same story. My spouse only beats me because it was my fault, or they truly do love me. No, they are really ass wipes. This goes the same for other minority groups who put up with the same old shit from the Liberals.
Warren and Sanders routinely want to put blame on the Jewish people from greedy banks (code words), and to boycott Israel. AOC and the toxic squad would gladly through Israel to Iran and Hezbollah and have Israel collapse. Jewish people are attacked in New York on the streets. Why the hate speech which says the Jewish people are really the rulers and get rich off the poor workers. Wonder where we have heard that kind of speech before. If you think that AOC and the Squad cannot generate the support for dumping Isarel, then I do not know what to say other than no one thought the short funny looking guy with a weird mustache could control a country either.
The Jewish people need to support those who will help them and offer the support they need and maybe actually help the Middle East find peace. Remember, even Henry K was against supplying weapons during the conflict where Isarel was surprised by the surrounding countries. Not until Isarel threatened to nuke the opposing countries capitals did the US change its stance. If Henry K, a good Irish boy (sarcasm) can take such a position, how much harder is it for Communists like AOC, Sanders, Warren, and others to do the same?
Trump for all of his faults (which are many) at least did something for Israel and the people. No wonder he is confused and upset as to why the Jewish people chose to go back to that toxic relationship with the Democrats and especially a demented old guy who was friends with Robert Byrd a true KKK believer. Tell me anything the Dems have done to help secure Israel's future?
I make no apologies for mean language, but sometimes the truth does hurt and has to be said bluntly.
Democrats are constantly bringing up George Soros, too.
What a great essay!
Bari, out of the woodwork, to engage in "cancel culture" and go after people exercising their "Free Speech" and having "tough conversations"
I wonder why it's different this time?
This is a minefield into which I tread with trepidation. Bari, we love you but this would have been far more powerful if you had kept Trump out of it. Pew reported that before the 2020 presidential election, nearly three-quarters of Jewish adults disapproved of the job Trump was doing as president, while just 27% rated him positively – far below the 65% who approved of President Barack Obama’s job performance in 2013. Despite Trump's unprecedented support of Israel - the Jewish state - by moving the embassy, supplying military aid and fomenting the peace deals with Arab states. So it's a fair political point despite what you think of the man who made it.
Kanye's statements are something entirely different. He may be troubled but he is also routinely feted and lionized in certain quarters. And the beast that he was feeding is awakening in a very frightening pace; not least among those institutions of "higher learning" that should know better. Kanye's points weren't political but rather of they type that led to pogroms and worse. The danger in them needs to be taught, especially to the young who don't remember why we say "never again."
Excellent response
Another great essay!
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I modified what I posted above, in particular for You, Sir Bruce.
I normally try to read most-a the comments on these articles. I'll skip it this time, because they're most 100% predictable. You in the MAGA crowd simply go ballistic and berserk when the least bit of negativity comes up about Your HERO, the Donald.
The problem is: You're, basically, no better than the Woke acolytes when it comes to being delusional. Sorry if that hurts Your feelings, but it's true. Your delusions are certainly *different* than, and pretty much the opposite of, the delusions of the Woke. But delusions are delusions.
Simple litmus test:
Why didn't Trump just tell Jewish people to dump the Dems and vote for him? Why call them ungrateful?
Answer: As one poster wrote, all he wants is loyalty and devotion. Funny how that's *exactly* what the MAGA crowd gives him, whether he deserves it or not.
How many times have a read how Trump is an arsehole, written by somebody who voted for him. Who doesn't like him, *personally,* but voted for him. Weeeell, You liked him enough to vote for him, right? A guy who tried to overthrow the elected President. That's the sad, but indisputable fact of the matter.
And let's be honest, okay? You'll vote for him again, right? The guy that, not only threatened, but attempted, to overthrow the Constitutionally-elected government. Funny how many-a You claim to support the Constitution. Hypocrisy being one-a the oldest delusions ever, right?
Now, we went back and forth about whether what Trump did was *legal* or not. The guy that came up with the plan, John Eastman, tried to disavow his actions after the plan fell through. He's a constitutional lawyer, so that tells me a lot.
So I think Bari makes a pretty good point. When it's the choice between the Dems and Trump, there isn't muchuva choice between the lesser of two evils. They both feed in the same gutter.
As far as Kanye, I agree with both You and M. Bari. The problem, as I see it, is that Blacks are ascendant these days and can do no wrong. Even when they do wrong, it's not wrong. CAN'T be said to be wrong. That'd be RACIST.
Right? Well, if so, it's gonna take a lotta these kinds-a "racists" to straighten this mess out. All the above IMO, 'course.
Dear jt, I don’t need to re-enter into our friendly debate again, but respectfully,
I just want to affirm that I believe the OPPOSITE is true, that your feelings against Trump have YOU as the blinded one, in spite of all you write (and you *have* written your position well!), but much to all our danger. Thanks and God bless
Thank You Ma'am. G*d bless You as well.
We are an immovable rock facing an unstoppable force. Trump is a force that needs to be stopped.
Here's the thing. ONE-a us can see that when Trump was President, he did some good things, and he did some bad things. Like any President. You see that? Or not?
But he did one REALLY BAD THING when he tried to overthrow the Constitutionally elected government. This is a FACT. It's INDISPUTABLY a fact.
Or do You deny this is a fact?
Or do You give Trump a pass on trying to ignore a democratic election?
I don't recall You ever facing these (in my mind, INDISPUTABLE) FACTS.
I'm willing to go part way: The election wasn't *fair.* There wasn't enough coverage in the media about Biden's apparent lapses. But the media, liberal and Fox? I don't expect them to be fair. Do You?
There were lapses in procedures followed. Some was justified by COVID being rampant. Some probably weren't. I need to study it more.
But will You go part way? The idea that the election was *stolen* is a fantasy made up by Trump. Most likely it's just because he's a sore loser. That's the personality he's displayed anyway.
I think I see both sides. You "...Friends?"
We disagree NUMBER ONE that “the force to be stopped” is Trump.
We disagree that the level of GOOD President Trump did was just on the scale of “any other president” (Much less this one!!! God help us!!!).
There is no need to go any further.
No, it’s not a “fact.” Just another misrepresentation of Trump’s intentions and actions so redolent in his entire presidency.
I cannot convince you of the truth of Jan 6 any more than I could convince you earlier of anything we have spoken of. There are better, more informed sources and true accounts for this. But you won’t listen to them either? There is nothing I can do here.
Just please reread Orwell, just as an exercise, without citing “Trump” as the villain. But as the institutionalized villain. God save us all.
Baruch HaShem Brian “mother Theresa” arrived! ☝️☝️☝️☝️
Well jt, you have you facts a bit skewed. You say "You liked him enough to vote for him, right? A guy who tried to overthrow the elected President." You forget that the election was in November 2020; January 6th was in 2021. After the election. And no, Trump didn't cover himself in glory but neither did those who screeched it was "an insurrection."
Would I vote for Trump again? In a primary vs. DeSantis. No way. In a general against some leftist Dem who has no business running even a lemonade stand - (think Harris, Buttigieg, Beto et al) yeah probably. Why? Because we'd be in a whole lot better place now if America hadn't elected a senile imbecile. And Biden has threatened civil liberties way more than Trump. In fact, Trump never arrested even one political opponent. Some Orange Dictator.
I didn't get the facts skewed. I didn't write very well. I think the fact that You voted for this charlatan makes it difficult for You to see him objectively. Which is also a fact.
I'm glad You won't vote for a Dem for President. Also happy You won't vote for Trump in the primary, if DeSantis runs. But it's not a question of people covering themselves in glory calling what Trump did an attempted insurrection. It's a question of the facts of the matter and that Trump *did* attempt it.
I can't see how anyone could vote for Trump, after seeing him try that. But, first, You would hafta see Trump objectively enough to know that he did, right? Then it's a question of how can You overlook something like that?
Look jt, Trump should not be President again. For many reasons. He'll be too old. He's too divisive. His embrace of Eastman's goofy plan raises questions about this judgment. We just need new blood. Trump is old news and I wish he had he grace to slip away.
Yeah, I wish he would, too. But I don't think he *can* walk away from it. I'd like to be proven wrong, but...
You make the same mistake that many do. They are unable to separate their political posturing from the importance of standing up for what’s right for Israel. Bruce is 100% correct. I hate Trump as well and hope he never runs again. At the same time, I make my decisions for Israel irrespective of the political consequences.
I'm not making any attempt to stand up for Jews, one way or the other. You'll vote according to Your own political posturing.
If You vote for Trump in '24, You're voting for someone who attempted to overthrow the government. You may see that as a wise move for Jews to make. I think it's a bad move for *anyone* to make. To me, people are people. And people that will vote for Trump, knowing what he did, or willfully ignoring the facts of the matter, are making a big mistake.
For whatever reason.
| If You vote for Trump in '24, You're voting for someone who attempted to overthrow the government. |
That's it in a nutshell.
Yeah. Trouble is, first You gotta see there *is* a nut.
Which refers to what Trump *did* and the man *himself,* right?
You are saying that Bruce agrees with what Trump said because he is a Trump supporter. That’s wrong. Bruce agrees with what Trump said because Trump was correct in so far as Israel is concerned.
No, You're the one that is wrong. I'm glad for the moves Trump made as far as Israel goes.
I'm saying that both You and Bruce can't see Trump for the moron he is. He shouldn'a called Jews INGRATES, if he's trying to get them to vote for him, right?
But, more to the point, I saying that You two have a real blind spot when it comes to Trump and the Constitution. Those two things are opposed to each other.
Note jt that the use of the term INGRATES was not in Trump's tweet. It was in your post. And numerous news stories but not in the tweet, itself. I think when criticizing people for the words they use, the actual words matter - not the characterization of them. Trump says many dumb or regrettable things, but the ones for which he is most memorable - "all Mexicans are rapists," people supporting the KKK are "good people," etc. are things he never said. Transcripts and videotapes are evidence. Hearsay is garbage.
Weeeel, Bruce... I thought we were gonna drop it. I hope You note my apology above.
Please read what I write *carefully.* I *already* noted I was wrong about the "ingrates" thing. I quoted what M. Bari wrote, which would lead One to think what I did about Trump's tweet. As You know, I don't follow social media myself.
I feel sorry for almost anyone who follows Twitter. It ruins One's ability to read longer articles or comments. Oh, One can read them. Just not comprehend them. Dunno if that explains what Lynne wrote about me being a troll, or not.
jt, what more do I need to say other than Trump is an ass and should not run for re-election again ?
I am Jewish and pissed off at the 70% of American Jews who put their party ahead of being a Jew. So I have to agree with what Trump said, I say it all the time. And yes, what I say pisses off my Jewish American friends. But I will not stop saying it.
I can understand the draw, because Trump did good things for Israel. And I can *certainly* understand pointing out that the Dems are useless fools.
The thing is, would You *vote* for Trump *AGAIN??* And I think I know the answer to that.
It's one thing to vote for a moron. That seems to be a requirement for the office. It's another not to be able to see that he *is* a moron.
But the main thing is that whatever Trump did for Israel is *vastly* overwhelmed by what he did *against* America. Which, mainly but not exclusively, was him trying to overthrow the government. Leastways if You value the Constitution and the rule of law. That's all I'm saying.
If Trump gain the REP presidential nomination, I don't know what I will do. I can't vote for the Communist Party. and Trump scares me. I believe he has gone completely off the rails.
Would I vote for, a party hell bent on enslaving us or a mad man? I just hope the mad man doesn't win the nomination.
First of all jt, Trump is not a moron. He may be a bombastic asshole. But, unlike Biden, who is patently cognitively impaired Trump is an unimpaired asshole Second, nowhere in his tweet did he call American Jews 'ingrates.' That's an inference drawn, not his words. Furthermore, if contesting an election is tantamount to "overthrowing the government," then Democrats are routinely guilty of that. Trump was making a political point. Not different from the point that Hispanics are fleeing the Democrat Party because it is antithetical to their values of church and family. West, on the other hand, was summoning some very dark forces that have led to unspeakable horrors in the past.
I get it.
jt you make a mistake in thinking I'm a Trump acolyte or view him as a HERO. If I were, I would want him to run again. I have stated repeatedly here that he is too old and too divisive. If I were, I wouldn't agree with others here that he's kind of an asshole. Does that sound like hero-worship? Sure I voted for him over Biden. What sane person would vote for a senile imbecile, not least the insane policies he mumbled. It's kind of insulting to be called a servile, starry eyed zombie Trumpster when all I did is point out that Trump was making a fair political point while West was summoning a very dark beast. Maybe I'm not the one who leaps to conclusions? Just think about it.
My point was more general than only being directed at You, Sir Bruce.
But if You're gonna vote for Trump in '24, then I think most-a my points stand.
And You're being ridiculous using words like "a servile, starry eyed Zombie Trumpster." But I noticed You didn't answer the question I posed in the litmus test, did You? Trump made a stupid mistake, to call the Jewish people "ungrateful." He had the option to make his point, without slurring a whole group-a people, right?
What if he'd said that about You and Yours? "You're whole 'whatever-group' is a bunch of ungrateful 'whatevers'." Is that really the way to get people to vote for You?
So I'll ask You and anyone who reads this: Why is it simply *impossible* to see that Trump did something pretty foolish. (Going by what M. Weiss posted. Dunno the exact context.) Given there are so many *better* ways of saying that he would like to get their votes.
Nowhere in his tweet did Trump use the word "ingrate." If it's ok to observe that Hispanics are deserting the Democrats because they are antithetical to the values of family and faith and the many Hispanics embrace, then why is it out of bounds to question the continued support by American Jews of Democrats who are antithetical to the best interests of Israel? Or worse, openly anti-Semitic. (the Squad?). Saying Trump was being both misquoted and mistreated doesn't imply unqualified support for him.
Weeeel, I previously gave You the one about Trump being misquoted. I was just going by what M. Weiss wrote, but she didn't put it in quotes. The thing about the Hispanics doesn't even pertain to this "conversation." You certainly never saw *me* say You (or Trump) couldn't question American Jews voting for Dems.
And, yeah, I'll grant that You haven't given "unqualified support" for him. But, AFAIK, You'd still vote for this blankety-blank, so there is that.
Good observation. Twisting President Trump’s words is common. But this is pure invention. Unfortunately, it’s common as well.
If there was any need to prove how bad things are for Jews now in America, the highest-liked comment on this article on Common Sense (very ironic!) is not one commenting on the exploding anti-semitism in the US, on West’s unchallenged vitriolic statements, but one vigorously defending Trump’s attitude towards the ungrateful Jews!
I for one give little credence to celebrities. It is just more blah, blah, blah and what really struck me was his bitterness about his ex-wife.
Unfortunately, there are 50million (or maybe 30 excluding the bots) who DO follow his every word, lyric, interview and lap it up. If just a tiny fraction are influenced against Jews or heaven forbid use it as the motivation they were looking for to torment violence against visible Jews walking to synagogue, the impact could be horrific.
I totally agree with you. This isn’t some kind of joke that should be brushed under the table. Kanye has 22 million followers, Jewish population in total is 13.5 million. That’s a lot of people listening to his rants. I believe the anti semitism exhibiting itself all over the world is just the beginning of something far more nefarious . Stop explaining or apologizing to the people who hate us! Stop giving Holocaust museum tours to people who hate us. We are not quivering Jews anymore .
We need to fight back in a different way. Begin by not voting for the Democrats. Vote Republican.
Don't fight back, just stand firm!
Got it! ❣️
As someone who only started following Ye on SM after his most recent grift, I'd like to hope that there are many like me who have started following for the trainwreck and not a ignorant pop culture fans. But I honestly doubt that given how popularized anti-Semitism has become again. I've had to unfollow several right wing accounts that were providing excellent commentary on the state of American affairs only to show that they too were anti-semites. I have always considered myself an ardent ally to the Jewish community, liberal, conservative, or otherwise. I can assure you that if the time comes, I will be standing shoulder to shoulder with you in the breach. I hope there are more like me who feel the same.
Thank you we call you in Jewish terminology “a mench”
That would be a "mensch".
Thank you! I hope so, too!!!
If there is need to prove the intellectual bankruptcy of the Left, it's seen in this absurd effort to portray warnings about the Left's anti-Semitism as themselves anti-Semitic.
Trump and his son in law Jared Kushner did more for Jews worldwide than any democrat past or present. When people show you who they are, believe them the first time. Left leaning Jews in the US still don’t understand the Antisemitism around them. They will continue to ignore, minimize and laugh about it until it comes for them, and it will come for them. History has shown us time and again. I am religiously liberal but when my people are threatened, I will defend and stand up. Some of us will never go like lambs to the slaughter ever again and we won’t be Jews with trembling knees. We know it starts with words (but never ends there.)
For us the phrase "never again" has a real meaning and Israel is where it means the most.
Correct 👏👏.
Correction: people didn’t go “ like lambs” to their deaths. They were held at gunpoint, raped, tormented, pillaged.
Yes, some did comply without much protest at the beginning not imagining what horror could be in store for them and some fought like lions and died fighting back. In no way do I mean to imply that Jews did not fight back. I mean to make the point that we should not ever be surprised at what could be done to us nor lulled into a complacency where we don’t understand where this type of thing can and does lead.
I used to wonder how the Holocaust happened. How could people let it happen. But I feel like I am watching the same pre-Holocaust things play our before my eyes. Don't speak against the narrative. Don't arm yourself. Embrace string central government.
I see it too. I am disgusted that all of my Democrat friends are going along it. I just don't know what to say or do anymore. I share articles from Common Sense and there's never a response. How much of that is FB burying it or people not caring, I can't say. I also notice younger generations watching Youtube rather than reading articles. I'm afraid the ones who should be reading are not doing so.
Jews did not fight back, not until the Warsaw Ghetto revolt. It seems no one really believed the danger was so acute. Certainly, German Jews were so integrated in German society that they could not imagine the unimagineable. And what could they do? With your children and wife at your back, what could you do? These were not commandos. They were businessmen, accountants, ordinary people.
Here is our mistake…NOW.
It’s happening again…and your neighbors won’t help you.
Many will. They are the ones who advocate for the 2nd Amendment.
Most of whom voted for Trump…and would again if necessary…just sayin!!
Let’s hope so. 🙏🏻
Please vote for republicans in the midterms - as an independent, a Jew and as a citizen of the rapidly deteriorating state of the world, I implore you. The Biden/Obama legacy is one of chaos, power vacuum and self-immolation. It would’ve taken a dystopian imagination to have anticipated how far and quickly we have fallen (& in tandem with the values of our 401Ks.) We literally cannot afford any more of this.
I pray the republican nominee isn't Trump.
I am going to guess one of the reasons you don’t want Trump because we will back to a place where Democrats are attacking him non -stop. I say “bring it on”! I will never vote Democratic again. THEY are the racists.
Yes! I have Black friends who said the same thing— “I will never vote Democrat again. Forty years! I am sorry and ashamed!”
“Bring it on!!” Yes to you. :) High-five.
Also, I say the same thing as you!: “this ain’t Grandma’s Democrats.” If only I could convince my 90-year-old grandmother and so many others in my native blue state, who are entirely conservative yet believe everything CNN tells them. That ALONE would swing an election. If people just would believe the truth. God bless.
Actually, that's not it. I can't vote for any politician that undermines democracy as a whole. I liked a lot of his middle east policy, and I can't stand the woke left, but destroying the bedrock of our society is a price I won't pay.
A non-vote, anymore, is a vote for the Democrats, and, I will say it, even if you think it is hyperbolic, Communism.
VOTE.
So how do you feel about a well-heeled political candidate's campaign paying for a fake dossier, supplying it to the FBI which then (knowing it is fake) uses it to justify FISA warrants to spy, on er I mean investigate, yeah that's it investigate, the opposition candidate? Said FBI then places, er I mean leaks, that dossier to the press. Said press runs with it without verification. Said FBI has the "source" of the fake information on its payroll. It also offers another "source" a million bucks to verify the information but he can't. Thus begins the myth of Russian collusion. To my knowledge the offending political candidate who procured the false dossier nor the FBI agents involved have been held accountable.
How do you feel about a sitting Vice President who has a son being paid $85,000 a month by a foreign energy company when said son has no legitimate qualifications for the position? What about when the Vice President father is heard on tape saying that only if a prosecutor investigating said energy company is fired will the country where the energy company is domiciled receive the foreign aid it is earmarked to receive? Which worked. Said prosecutor was indeed fired and said son continued to receive the payola. (Fast forward to the present when the former VP as President authorized billions of dollars in money and military equipment to that same country.
Spare me the protests about Putin's aggression. Not our circus, not our monkeys absent the involvement of three Democrat President's. There is no way on God's little green earth that Ukraine could withstand the Russian invasion without the help of the US.) Spare me the lamentations about whataboutism. If you do not care about these things then you have a double standard. The rule of law cannot exist that way. The people I have asked about have done far more to destroy the bedrock of society than a pissed off man who tried to figure out a legal way to stop a shady election. He was talking to lawyers, not generals. And it was a shady election contrived by the faux elites that I despise with a vitriol that defies description.
Truth
The Steele Dossier is an embarrassment to the FBI, Hillary is sleazy, and if the acts were criminal, the actors should be prosecuted.
The Biden-Burisma also looks sleazy. However, I don't think there's a connection to the U.S.'s decision to arm the Ukrainians. And I support arming the Ukrainians.
I don't have a double-standard. Rather, Trump's criminal acts (find me votes) to overturn a legal election and his continuing attack on the democratic process trump (pun intended) my dislike for other candidates. Trump has many other flaws, too, but his attack on democracy alone disqualifies him for me.
Trump tried to find a way around a single election. Hillary Clinton's campaign participated in active fraud which did not work in terms of her election but which was the basis of attacks in the press and congessional "investigations" which continue to this day. The FBI was, and is picking winners and losers. The press is non-existent.
This has completely undermined confidence in the rule of law for half of the electorate. This is a far greater threat to democracy than anything Trump did or did not do, including saying "find me votes" or bad-mouthing Mike Pence. Now the powers that be are trying to discredit the Secret Service for not supporting the literal party line.
As for Ukraine, we are at the brink of WWIII as a result of three Democrat administrations actions in a nation in which we have no national security interests. A nation known for corruption for decades now. A nation from which the pockets of our current President were lined. While he casually discusses nuclear Armageddon with his fan club. People who voted for him because they hated Trump are complicit in the border fiasco, the economic fiasco, international instabity. They sowed but we are all reaping.
For what it is worth I do not want to see Trump run in 2024. I think he served very well and should be lauded for shedding light on the corruption in federal government. But I think he is a lightning rod at this point.
Not to mention Iran. Not to mention the cheating for Hillary in the primary and literally installing a corrupt dementia patient in his basement. Biden has set back democracy by making it acceptable to hide in your basement, not debate (the now favorite move of most dem candidates for congress this cycle..), not be held accountable for decisions and on the few occasions he speaks to the press - outright lies. The office of the President has been demeaned far more by Biden than Trump. The Obiden presidency has set new lows for accountability and transparency (no records of who visits him in Delaware???!)
We disagree on this point. My hope for 2024 is that we have better choices than Biden and Trump, but I'm not holding my breath. Have a good day!
I agree - I didn’t hear any veiled threat above the threat that more Israel-hating squad members are rallying their kind to pull even more support of Israel and the OBidens willing to make insane deals with Iran...
Biden (AKA "Malarky Man") is a far greater danger to American and global security. Biden is weak, incompetent, senile and (after his humiliating Afghanistan withdrawal) Russia, China and Iran are aggressively pursuing their militaristic goals.
"China knows better than transgress with Taiwan".........just another Democrat defender of Biden - Harris (AKA :Dumb & Dumber). Talking about getting educated......didn't Kamala deliver a forceful speech at the DMZ hailing our "strong alliance with the Republic of North Korea".
What are you going on about Robert? We are discussing Jew hatred
Donald Trump was President of the USA for four years. During that time, we started zero new wars, Russia invaded zero neighbors (unlike in the Bush, Obama and Biden admins), illegal immigration was suppressed, wage growth exceeded inflation, income taxes both personal and corporate were reduced, the Abraham Accords made progress in the Middle East, ISIS was eliminated and the US murder rate decreased for 3 years of his four year term. This "clear and present danger" you speak of...where is it, aside from Twitter?
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Yes, please list the Biden admin accomplishments if you don't mind.
However, your easy dismissal of the successful Trump admin based on COVID, which has continued to be a mess throughout the Biden admin and also in many other nations, seems like TDS to me.
In answer to your question, T:
The Interstate closest to you just might get paved. And on that same Interstate there might be charging stations for electric cars. And the electronic chips in those cars just might be built in the USA. And the electricity producing those chips just might be coming in through an expanded electrical grid. And actually some (but not most) Republicans actually voted for it. Oh, and I forgot, lowered drug prices in Medicare for some medicines (not voted for by Republicans..)
BTW, Trump's vaccine push was the best thing he ever did..
Kudos on that.
Great response, top notch. Thanks and all the best.