Why call out Canada for being idiotic? You need look no further than New York City, where vigils are held for violent black lunatics who die when restrained by passengers whom our resident jackals shriek must be "prosecuted." Our progressive friends have given us race based law. Race based medicine. What's next? Either we have a color bl…
Why call out Canada for being idiotic? You need look no further than New York City, where vigils are held for violent black lunatics who die when restrained by passengers whom our resident jackals shriek must be "prosecuted." Our progressive friends have given us race based law. Race based medicine. What's next? Either we have a color blind society or we devolve to tribalism. And, as been shown the world over, that tribalism ALWAYS devolves to violence and genocide. Isn't it patently clear by now that progressives are insane? And insane in a particularly destructive and dangerous way. Sadly, if they aren't brought to heel soon by reason and persuasion, the only solution that will remain is a very violent counter-reaction. Why? Because human nature is immutable, no matter what our progressives idiotically claim.
In I Know why the Caged Bird Sings, Maya Angelou considers that her occupation of a house forcibly vacated by Japanese is fair, because of African American suffering. Executive order 9066 removing the Japanese from their homes, lands, and businesses was one of the most racist acts of the American government in the 20th century (edited for accuracy). Angelou never saw it as hideously racist and unfair just an opportunity for her to get great housing at a low price. It was eye opening to recognize who she really was!
Her ability to justify racism when it benefitted her was an insight into the victimhood pathology which is not to call out all racial injustices and seek justice for all, but to only seek gain for oneself without regard for others. It is better to strive for justice being blind rather than create a system based on victimhood that gives an advantage to some without consideration of others.
I like your point but saying that the internment of Japanese Americans "was one of the most racist acts of the 20th century" is a bit overwrought and ignores the historical context. As bad and wrong as the relocations were, they pale next to the genocide of 6 million Jews, 20 million Chinese civilians, several million Armenians, several million Ukrainians, Rwandan Tutsis and Kosovar Muslims. Moreover, after the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, there was understandable panic and the rumors out of Hawaii about 5th columnists didn't help matters. Was it our country's "finest hour?" Hardly but let's keep it in context.
What does 'racist' mean in this context, though? It wasn't JUST to incarcerate the Japanese during WWII, but it wasn't a case of oh, we hate the Japanese, let's put them in camps. It was an overreaction to a political situation, but to call it 'one of the most racist acts' is also a bridge too far.
Actually, if you really study the history, it was a hysterical overreaction to a political situation, which in fact was fueled by racism against the Japanese. There are ample historical records to show that. Let's not over correct the other way either.
Generally, US progressive cities are more insane than Canada. The problem is that criminal law is mostly a Federal jurisdiction - meaning a liberal government ruins things for most of Canada - while a federal government in the States can't do that.
Reason and persuasion won't do it. Power will. Political and cultural power. It will take a generation at least to build that out.
My only hope is that things get SO BAD that it breaks the Democratic coalition of rich, white progressives and the urban poor. There simply aren't enough rich, white progressives (and their allies) to sustain this..
These people never came out to protest when elderly people and Asians were physically attacked resulting in severe injuries by the mentally ill in the subways.
Yeah....maybe America and the rest of human civilization should have embraced that whole "color blind" thing from the get go? What a missed opportunity.
No, it is not, when you were discussing the "racists" ;) lol in America specifically, Steven.
Lol. No, no, no, Steven. You're not goinge to snivel and strawman your way out of this.
There has never been a single instance of colorblindness in justice? That's not the proposition though, is it? ;) But I'll play along. Of course there has been, Steven. Happens quite often in ethnically homogeneous cultures or where everyone involved is the same race, I'm sure.
So....just to clarify before we go any further. You think there is no legitimate data to show that justice in America has not been/is not colorblind? And that people have not all been/are not treated the same regardless of race, class, gender, etc.?
You can always find specific examples where Justice has failed and this is true for blacks, whites, men, women and any other sub group you want to create. This is true across time and across cultures and across ethnicities. It is not uniquely a United States thing. But there is scant evidence to say societal systemic bias currently exists in the US at anywhere near the levels racists like you imagine it is.
The primary data point for systemic issues is the fact disparities exist and the one and only explanation is society and it must be systemic bias. This mindless explanation robs entire communities of agency and belittles their existence. It removes responsibility for actions of members of their community and pushes the blame to outside groups.
Group collectivists love this idea because they can always point to a group to demonize instead of telling individuals they need to do better.
Never said it was unique to the U.S. So, blah....blah...
Never discussed anything being "systemic" although it was until 1965. And it completely disappeared from the social, political and economic fabric of America in 1966.
Wow. Removing responsibilty for actions? Pushes blame to outside groups? Points to a group to demonize? Wow, THANK GOD white conservatives have never done anything like that! That sounds like that could be "identity politics!!"
Yep all those "specific examples" mean that justice is not colorblind. Not class blind, not gender blind, etc. Just like I ALREADY said. So, congrats on writing a whole bunch of pointless drivel.
Anyway the impossibility and lack of colorblindness is something that anyone walking around with half a brain should intuitively know. But you? Nah...had to be smarmily and belligerently ignorant about it.
Well, not sure why you continually call me a racist, especially since I haven't said anything racist, but if that's all you have...oh, wait...is this the "you think black people are too dumb to succeed and can't accomplish anything because they're helpless little children because of racsim?"
Lol. No, Steve. So save your pathetic, tired "soft bigotry of low expectations" BS.
Just saying that if they find themselves in a courtroom, etc. They will be judged differently. My father tried to explain that to me many times that although I had white friends, I would be treated differently.
I didn't believe him, until I had to experience it first-hand. Been clear-eyed ever since.
Anyway, glad we agree. Thanks for providing the data. So, I did't have to make up any ;)
Two reasons. First, he's a human and deserves a modicum of respect and engagement, no matter how disoriented he is. Second, some benighted souls here still think he makes cogent points - points that lamentably we hear repeated by our witless media and most of the Democrat party - and it's important to dispel them with facts.
Actually, not "a lib." Do make distinctions, but you have to have any sense of empathy first to begin with. So, maybe you should focus on that first. Baby steps.
Why call out Canada for being idiotic? You need look no further than New York City, where vigils are held for violent black lunatics who die when restrained by passengers whom our resident jackals shriek must be "prosecuted." Our progressive friends have given us race based law. Race based medicine. What's next? Either we have a color blind society or we devolve to tribalism. And, as been shown the world over, that tribalism ALWAYS devolves to violence and genocide. Isn't it patently clear by now that progressives are insane? And insane in a particularly destructive and dangerous way. Sadly, if they aren't brought to heel soon by reason and persuasion, the only solution that will remain is a very violent counter-reaction. Why? Because human nature is immutable, no matter what our progressives idiotically claim.
In I Know why the Caged Bird Sings, Maya Angelou considers that her occupation of a house forcibly vacated by Japanese is fair, because of African American suffering. Executive order 9066 removing the Japanese from their homes, lands, and businesses was one of the most racist acts of the American government in the 20th century (edited for accuracy). Angelou never saw it as hideously racist and unfair just an opportunity for her to get great housing at a low price. It was eye opening to recognize who she really was!
Her ability to justify racism when it benefitted her was an insight into the victimhood pathology which is not to call out all racial injustices and seek justice for all, but to only seek gain for oneself without regard for others. It is better to strive for justice being blind rather than create a system based on victimhood that gives an advantage to some without consideration of others.
I like your point but saying that the internment of Japanese Americans "was one of the most racist acts of the 20th century" is a bit overwrought and ignores the historical context. As bad and wrong as the relocations were, they pale next to the genocide of 6 million Jews, 20 million Chinese civilians, several million Armenians, several million Ukrainians, Rwandan Tutsis and Kosovar Muslims. Moreover, after the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, there was understandable panic and the rumors out of Hawaii about 5th columnists didn't help matters. Was it our country's "finest hour?" Hardly but let's keep it in context.
What does 'racist' mean in this context, though? It wasn't JUST to incarcerate the Japanese during WWII, but it wasn't a case of oh, we hate the Japanese, let's put them in camps. It was an overreaction to a political situation, but to call it 'one of the most racist acts' is also a bridge too far.
Actually, if you really study the history, it was a hysterical overreaction to a political situation, which in fact was fueled by racism against the Japanese. There are ample historical records to show that. Let's not over correct the other way either.
Thank you for the correction, it was one of the most racist acts by the US government in the 20th century.
Authorization to restraint does not mean authorization to kill
What are you babbling about now? Mr. Penny was not a police officer.
You can call Canada out whilst acknowledging the same insane thinking in progressive US cities. It all needs to be called out
Generally, US progressive cities are more insane than Canada. The problem is that criminal law is mostly a Federal jurisdiction - meaning a liberal government ruins things for most of Canada - while a federal government in the States can't do that.
Solid point. Yup Trudeau and his tribe have really done a number on this country.
Reason and persuasion won't do it. Power will. Political and cultural power. It will take a generation at least to build that out.
My only hope is that things get SO BAD that it breaks the Democratic coalition of rich, white progressives and the urban poor. There simply aren't enough rich, white progressives (and their allies) to sustain this..
These people never came out to protest when elderly people and Asians were physically attacked resulting in severe injuries by the mentally ill in the subways.
They actually try to blame that on "white supremacy," even when the perpetrators are not white (and they are usually not).
Doesn't suit their narrative. They are sheep looking for self-esteem. Progressivism is an easy route to that.
Lol. Still on that "color blind" mythology/fantasy.
Gee....why hasn't anybody thought of that before?
Many people have but then racists thought it was a bad idea and started calling it a “myth” or a “fantasy”.
Lol.
Oh, so it's "racist" to note that:
1. Something has never existed.
2. And will never exist.
Lol. Ok ;)
Yeah....maybe America and the rest of human civilization should have embraced that whole "color blind" thing from the get go? What a missed opportunity.
Plus, what are we all going to do at stop lights?
America and the rest of human civilization??? Isn’t that stupidly redundant?
So what make believe data do you have they has never been color blindness in justice?
No, it is not, when you were discussing the "racists" ;) lol in America specifically, Steven.
Lol. No, no, no, Steven. You're not goinge to snivel and strawman your way out of this.
There has never been a single instance of colorblindness in justice? That's not the proposition though, is it? ;) But I'll play along. Of course there has been, Steven. Happens quite often in ethnically homogeneous cultures or where everyone involved is the same race, I'm sure.
So....just to clarify before we go any further. You think there is no legitimate data to show that justice in America has not been/is not colorblind? And that people have not all been/are not treated the same regardless of race, class, gender, etc.?
Is that the make believe data you're looking for?
You can always find specific examples where Justice has failed and this is true for blacks, whites, men, women and any other sub group you want to create. This is true across time and across cultures and across ethnicities. It is not uniquely a United States thing. But there is scant evidence to say societal systemic bias currently exists in the US at anywhere near the levels racists like you imagine it is.
The primary data point for systemic issues is the fact disparities exist and the one and only explanation is society and it must be systemic bias. This mindless explanation robs entire communities of agency and belittles their existence. It removes responsibility for actions of members of their community and pushes the blame to outside groups.
Group collectivists love this idea because they can always point to a group to demonize instead of telling individuals they need to do better.
Never said it was unique to the U.S. So, blah....blah...
Never discussed anything being "systemic" although it was until 1965. And it completely disappeared from the social, political and economic fabric of America in 1966.
Wow. Removing responsibilty for actions? Pushes blame to outside groups? Points to a group to demonize? Wow, THANK GOD white conservatives have never done anything like that! That sounds like that could be "identity politics!!"
Yep all those "specific examples" mean that justice is not colorblind. Not class blind, not gender blind, etc. Just like I ALREADY said. So, congrats on writing a whole bunch of pointless drivel.
Anyway the impossibility and lack of colorblindness is something that anyone walking around with half a brain should intuitively know. But you? Nah...had to be smarmily and belligerently ignorant about it.
Well, not sure why you continually call me a racist, especially since I haven't said anything racist, but if that's all you have...oh, wait...is this the "you think black people are too dumb to succeed and can't accomplish anything because they're helpless little children because of racsim?"
Lol. No, Steve. So save your pathetic, tired "soft bigotry of low expectations" BS.
Just saying that if they find themselves in a courtroom, etc. They will be judged differently. My father tried to explain that to me many times that although I had white friends, I would be treated differently.
I didn't believe him, until I had to experience it first-hand. Been clear-eyed ever since.
Anyway, glad we agree. Thanks for providing the data. So, I did't have to make up any ;)
Please tell us how you were victimized today.
You're an object of ridicule here because you're......ridiculous.
why do you give him an opening? he enjoys sparring more than making sense.
Two reasons. First, he's a human and deserves a modicum of respect and engagement, no matter how disoriented he is. Second, some benighted souls here still think he makes cogent points - points that lamentably we hear repeated by our witless media and most of the Democrat party - and it's important to dispel them with facts.
Lol. Never said I was victimized, but interesting that's always your assumption. Not very "color blind" of you, Bruce. ;)
Just said your fantasy is ridiculous. Always has been, always will be. It is impossible.
Lol. Yes, I will try to manage the ridicule from people I regularly own.
"Never said I was victimized...."
Well, there you have it folks. Comprof denies his own world view.
You heard it here first. Systemic racism is a fraud.
My worldview is reality and
not some mythological existence :)
Who said anything about systemic racism? You're not being very "color blind," Bruce ;)
Wanna keep going?
Sure. And you just revealed that your "worldview" is not based on any personal history of victimization. So........
Talk about reliance on myths.
Yep. Because that's how some humans work, Bruce. It's called "empathy." Might want to try it sometime. ;)
Oh, don't worry. I have plenty of personal experience/history with it.
Oh, so unless a person directly expetiences something, it's a myth? Hmm...that's interesting.
But they don't all deserve your "empathy". And that's the problem with you libs. You don't make that distinction.
Actually, not "a lib." Do make distinctions, but you have to have any sense of empathy first to begin with. So, maybe you should focus on that first. Baby steps.
Sorry, no empathy for maggots.