Society will eventually compensate for a dysfunctional criminal justice system. That would include arming itself to self defend against acts perpetrated against them. It will be de-civilizing. People will make the choice that it is better to deter or survive an attack and possibly go to jail, than to be killed themselves. A return to the…
Society will eventually compensate for a dysfunctional criminal justice system. That would include arming itself to self defend against acts perpetrated against them. It will be de-civilizing. People will make the choice that it is better to deter or survive an attack and possibly go to jail, than to be killed themselves. A return to the Wild West. That is not progressive but regressive. Utterly stupid.
Aren't you describing what's happening right here in the US? With our four hundred million firearms? No one trusting the police to protect them? Mass shootings? Canada has actual real gun control. No province up there allows concealed or open carry, or semi automatic weapons, or assault rifles. You need a permit just to transport your weapon to a firing range. Guns are for hunting, basically.
There’s the old justice system, this new progressive dysfunctional one, and many commenters point to vigilante justice as a future one. Genuinely curious about where the thinkers are who are actually proposing viable alternatives, in a “transcend and include” kind of way....if you know please share so that those of us in the middle have something tangibly hopeful to sink our teeth into.
My solution is a comprehensive rewrite and simplification of criminal codes to criminalize conduct which is universally harmful. No more possession of drug crimes; to the extent drugs need to be criminalized it should be on the manufacture, distribution and delivery end. That in and of itself would rectify much of the disproportionate criminalization of the black population. Give those people previously convicted pardons. We needed acts defined as crimes which result in death or bodily injury, the assaultive offenses such as homicide, kidnapping, sexual assault, assault and deadly conduct; I would include driving under the influence here and require injury or death in order to prosecute. We need acts defined as crimes which take or damage the property of others, such as theft, robbery, burglary, vandalism. We need to define as crimes acts which are against public morals and decency, including human trafficking, prostitution and more so the enabling thereof, manufacture/distribution of pornography, etc.. We should define as crimes acts which are a threat to public order like soliciting riots, making false reports, public/official corruption. We need to define as crimes financial acts such as fraud, forgery, embezzling. I am sure I have missed a category or two but you get my drift. No more esoteric crime like hate crime, whatever the hell that is, or failure to pay child support or interference with child custody (you laid down with him or her and made a child, you deal with it), or driving while intoxicated where there is no death or bodily injury resulting therefrom (the abuse generated in the form of probable cause for a stop in the name of DWIDUI enforcement boggles my mind and this is something else that has worked has worked against black people, cops use a swerve as an excuse for a stop just so they can check the driver out). For criminal.justice to work fairly and efficiently. What is defined as criminal must be easily understood and we are wa-a-a-ay down the road from.that. And the penalty should be swift and certain. We should do away with indeterminate sentencing and parole. Sentences should be shorter but served n full. Capital punishment (death or life without parole) should be an option but the occasions therefor need to be clearly defined. Probation should be available for first time offenders but only one time. People lament the judges, prosecutors and defense lawyers but I don't think many people understand what a big business the criminal justice industry is. Forensic everything from chemists to psychiatrists, to social workers. That's what that Canadian race report is. Somebody or many somebodies are getting rich off that and it is not the judges or prosecutors. And probably not the defense lawyer. You have ankle monitors some of which track alcohol use which cost hundreds of dollars a month. You have ignition interlock devices. You have many, many, many treatment, counseling, and rehabilitation programs that can be court-ordered. You have fewer resources available for or dedicated to mentally ill people though and this is somewhere meaningful change could be and should had. The system is collapsing under its own weight. Dockets for judges, prosecutors, and even some defense lawyers preclude in-depth analysis of the facts of any given case. Judges in my observation have pretty much given up being a force for what is right but rather have been reduced to hearing the argument/evidence presented by each side and making a ruling before moving on to the next case.
Which was at least a situation with threats. The cases of recent shootings indicate people who are frightened when others knock on the door or drive up the driveway. I think it indicates how unsafe people feel.
That's a good point. We are transitioning from a high-trust society to a low-trust one. In the modern world, no low-trust society ever achieves success long term. Living in a low-trust society is too inefficient.
This is what happened in the case of the marine on the subway. He serves to protect our country, comes home, and tries to protect many on a subway. His life is likely doomed. Gotta make sure the criminals are protected first.
It is so interesting that there is no psycho-babble about a vet having "triggers". Vets from recent conflicts often do have PTSD from events that are truly very traumatic.
Society will eventually compensate for a dysfunctional criminal justice system. That would include arming itself to self defend against acts perpetrated against them. It will be de-civilizing. People will make the choice that it is better to deter or survive an attack and possibly go to jail, than to be killed themselves. A return to the Wild West. That is not progressive but regressive. Utterly stupid.
Aren't you describing what's happening right here in the US? With our four hundred million firearms? No one trusting the police to protect them? Mass shootings? Canada has actual real gun control. No province up there allows concealed or open carry, or semi automatic weapons, or assault rifles. You need a permit just to transport your weapon to a firing range. Guns are for hunting, basically.
The Wild West? That's us..
If it wasn’t stupid, how would you know it’s progressive.
There’s the old justice system, this new progressive dysfunctional one, and many commenters point to vigilante justice as a future one. Genuinely curious about where the thinkers are who are actually proposing viable alternatives, in a “transcend and include” kind of way....if you know please share so that those of us in the middle have something tangibly hopeful to sink our teeth into.
My solution is a comprehensive rewrite and simplification of criminal codes to criminalize conduct which is universally harmful. No more possession of drug crimes; to the extent drugs need to be criminalized it should be on the manufacture, distribution and delivery end. That in and of itself would rectify much of the disproportionate criminalization of the black population. Give those people previously convicted pardons. We needed acts defined as crimes which result in death or bodily injury, the assaultive offenses such as homicide, kidnapping, sexual assault, assault and deadly conduct; I would include driving under the influence here and require injury or death in order to prosecute. We need acts defined as crimes which take or damage the property of others, such as theft, robbery, burglary, vandalism. We need to define as crimes acts which are against public morals and decency, including human trafficking, prostitution and more so the enabling thereof, manufacture/distribution of pornography, etc.. We should define as crimes acts which are a threat to public order like soliciting riots, making false reports, public/official corruption. We need to define as crimes financial acts such as fraud, forgery, embezzling. I am sure I have missed a category or two but you get my drift. No more esoteric crime like hate crime, whatever the hell that is, or failure to pay child support or interference with child custody (you laid down with him or her and made a child, you deal with it), or driving while intoxicated where there is no death or bodily injury resulting therefrom (the abuse generated in the form of probable cause for a stop in the name of DWIDUI enforcement boggles my mind and this is something else that has worked has worked against black people, cops use a swerve as an excuse for a stop just so they can check the driver out). For criminal.justice to work fairly and efficiently. What is defined as criminal must be easily understood and we are wa-a-a-ay down the road from.that. And the penalty should be swift and certain. We should do away with indeterminate sentencing and parole. Sentences should be shorter but served n full. Capital punishment (death or life without parole) should be an option but the occasions therefor need to be clearly defined. Probation should be available for first time offenders but only one time. People lament the judges, prosecutors and defense lawyers but I don't think many people understand what a big business the criminal justice industry is. Forensic everything from chemists to psychiatrists, to social workers. That's what that Canadian race report is. Somebody or many somebodies are getting rich off that and it is not the judges or prosecutors. And probably not the defense lawyer. You have ankle monitors some of which track alcohol use which cost hundreds of dollars a month. You have ignition interlock devices. You have many, many, many treatment, counseling, and rehabilitation programs that can be court-ordered. You have fewer resources available for or dedicated to mentally ill people though and this is somewhere meaningful change could be and should had. The system is collapsing under its own weight. Dockets for judges, prosecutors, and even some defense lawyers preclude in-depth analysis of the facts of any given case. Judges in my observation have pretty much given up being a force for what is right but rather have been reduced to hearing the argument/evidence presented by each side and making a ruling before moving on to the next case.
Which was at least a situation with threats. The cases of recent shootings indicate people who are frightened when others knock on the door or drive up the driveway. I think it indicates how unsafe people feel.
That's a good point. We are transitioning from a high-trust society to a low-trust one. In the modern world, no low-trust society ever achieves success long term. Living in a low-trust society is too inefficient.
Drifting closer every day to vigilante justice. Start with the progressive judges who enable the insanity.
This is what happened in the case of the marine on the subway. He serves to protect our country, comes home, and tries to protect many on a subway. His life is likely doomed. Gotta make sure the criminals are protected first.
It is so interesting that there is no psycho-babble about a vet having "triggers". Vets from recent conflicts often do have PTSD from events that are truly very traumatic.
Yep. The shit show like the Jordan Neely mess is unfolding now in NYC as we speak.
It's already happening. See the recent subway incident with the marine and Neely