I cannot wait for the avalanche of lawsuits which will follow. Also the stripping of medical licences from doctors who fully supported the butchering of children's bodies just to appease a mob of transgender extremists. Well done to this woman and all other staff who stood up for what they knew was right and truthful. Hopefully the craze…
I cannot wait for the avalanche of lawsuits which will follow. Also the stripping of medical licences from doctors who fully supported the butchering of children's bodies just to appease a mob of transgender extremists. Well done to this woman and all other staff who stood up for what they knew was right and truthful. Hopefully the crazed, extremist trans lobbies in Western Europe and North America will soon have the same fate as the Tavistock clinic.
I just googled de santis and picked an article from the WSJ, about suspending the prosecutor due to his stance on the state’s abortion ban and gender affirming cases.
Only in the 5th paragraph did I read that FL “bans abortion” after 15 weeks.
How is that banning abortion? Sorry I know this is about the gender part but that is BS reporting.
Probably nothing with really change in UK until there is a national law passed. But with post brexit, Ukraine, inflation, I assume it’s not the top issue.
Right, the guy is a George Soros backed Attorney General who doesn't want to uphold laws he doesn't like. But, his job is to uphold the laws. After the Supreme Court ruling states are free to draw the line where they like regarding abortion. FL set it at 15 weeks. It is crazy that the WSJ is woke on these issues, even calling child mutilation "gender affirming surgery" which is outlawed in FL after they did a study and found no evidence of it helping kids (what a shocker). But, what is the good of any law if it is not enforced? Plus, our society would recoil from a thing such as "female circumcision".
I am in the US. That sounds about right about the UK. I think here we are getting close to seeing some major lawsuits. I am also really encouraged by DeSantis. I hope he will be our next president.
Bravo for DeSantis. He's taking the issue right where it belongs: directly to the so-called experts -- the doctors -- who took a vow to do no harm. I hope he succeeds and that the rest of the country follows suit. It won't happen overnight, but we have to start somewhere.
By the way, the current Texas model, in which parents as well as doctors are held liable when their kids transition, is shockingly ignorant. The parents are victims too, and they need the State's support, not blame. What an appallingly dumb policy.
Sometimes the parents are victims of people telling them that they need to put their kid on puberty blockers or their kid will commit suicide. Those parents need support to resist the trans ideology.
But sometimes we're looking at Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy--parents who see trans kids as a way to get oppression points, as a way to virtue signal their devotion to Woke ideology. THOSE parents absolutely ought to go to jail.
I'm aware of the distinction between these two types of parents. Most parents are in the first category, i.e., well-meaning victims of the suicide threat blackmail strategy, while the other type exploit their children for their own narcissistic reasons.
I agree with you that the latter type is guilty as hell, but from a legal standpoint, how to make that distinction in a court of law? It would require a kind of prying into people's lives that would be very difficult. How do you prove intent in such cases? I'm not even sure how such a law would be written. All parents will present themselves as sympathetic, and if we're going to prosecute only the "bad" ones, the "good" ones are also going to be subject to a kind of scrutiny that would probably be experienced as invasive and even cruel.
It strikes me as untenable, but obviously I'm not a legal scholar.
I think teachers and doctors and sometimes even the children themselves might be able to testify as to the difference. I'm not sure it's that hard, in most cases, to distinguish between hesitant parents going along with what what the child demands and gung-ho parents pushing hard to get their child medicalized.
I think the ones who ought to be in legal trouble are the people making decisions for school systems to promote GI and any doctors proscribing these off label cancer drugs for children. Even if a parent is deranged and we feel angry with them, they cannot get those drugs on their own. If someone went to a doctor with some other crazy idea that they'd read demanding prescription medications that maybe they think will do something or other, the doctor still has to agree and give the Rx. I am sure it is very common for a person to go in and demand a drug and the doctor says "No". I think anyone giving out Testosterone to confused girls and young women ought to also be in trouble. In this and only this issue medicine has decided that a 15-16 year old girl is a mature decision maker.
The teachers are the worst - next doctors and counselors.
I am aware from what I read that there are parents who are convinced that puberty blockers are a good idea - or they have this Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. But what I see all around me as the mother of teen/young adult kids - is that girls with no prior history declare trans identity - often in high school after being taught all about Gender Identity under the kindness & understanding DEI umbrella and usually with either online grooming or grooming from a student leader or other kid going on simultaneously. Next, the girl tentatively experiments with "pronouns" at school which the staff are eager to "support". Then, the girl gets a new name. By the time the parents get wind of anything they are playing catch up and reeling. Some parents are demented enough to be convinced about GI. Most often the mother is convinced and the father is not (the child will do a lot of insisting and has all the key things to say and mothers find their children hard to resisit). Fathers are normally less moved by "feelings" of the moment but then they can get blindsided and often a divorce ensues. Even where both parents are not crazy plenty of girls just slow walk it until they can legally start taking hormones on their own through Planned Destruction (Planned Parenthood) and maybe they have their breasts removed on college insurance. Surprise! Then, regret sets in within about 5 years. None of this is ethical. These girls cannot truly give informed consent. And, they just scribbled a signature at the bottom of a form, anyway. Even if the girls "just" take the cutely termed "T" that is immediately permanently destructive.
Sooooo - what I am saying is that the teachers are some of the very worst actors in this bad play. I do not think they truly understand what they are doing. "Oh, she/he can experiment freely in high school where it is "safe" and then change back later..." But, once the mind is taken in with this very serious psychological intervention where all these adults are taking a delusion seriously - the major part of the damage is done prior to anything physical which appear as the next natural steps.
Many parents on PITT are afraid to even speak publicly for fear of CPS knocking on the door or for fear of losing connection to the kid who they hope to influence for the better.
Don't hold your breathe. Too many very powerful people got sucked into this cult. They'll delete their tweets and cover their asses faster than a bunch of generals fleeing Afghanistan did. And they'll have every major media institution in the Western world helping them do it.
There may be a big class action settlement, insurance will pay it, and all will be forgotten.
There will be no revoked medical licenses.
There will be no doctors bankrupted in lawsuits.
There will be no medical activists imprisoned for their failure to their patients.
Secondly, as pleased as I am that it will be harder for teenagers to permanently alter their bodies in England before they've even developed those bodies, closing one clinic (even one as big as Tavistock) doesn't solve the "what is a woman" problem at all. Self identification and the erradication of sexual biology is part of a very long train of liberalism promoting maximal individual autonomy". It's not going away just because the British NHS finally pulled its head out of its ass for a few minutes.
To be clear, this nurse is amazingly courageous and deserves immense respect. No one should take my comments as impugning her at all. I'm just not optimistic in the long term trajectory.
Brian, you see through to the reality most cannot face. To those who think this is a non-partisan issue, simply examine who is demanding children be allowed to follow their immature demands and transition. This comes from one side of the aisle, the left woke leaders. Yes, many cowardly conservative leaders do not speak up, but the reasons are obvious, they will be trashed by the overwhelming power of the woke media and institutions. In the US, only brave conservatives like DeSantis go to battle. I know of zero conservatives, leaders or lay, including conservative gays and lesbians, who back the woke's gender dystopic movement.
Too many conservatives care what major media (who hate them) write about them.
Too many liberals are too scared of major media treating them like conservatives.
Too many successful people of both sides are scared of losing their status and wealth.
Since this lunacy came from the left though, and they watched it grow for decades in the universities they control, I'm with you: the bulk of the blame lies with the silent liberals.
Yes, that is the worst part because once the teen's mind is won over - that they believe in Gender Ideology/Queer Theory and that unbelievers like parents are bad/jerks/"pearl clutchers" (who are concerned about them) then they are primed for hormones, etc.& are easy targets for predatory types. Many teachers think this stuff is great and about "acceptance" but even the ones who do not will go along with it or are forced to teach it because of instruction from the unions both at the state (often), national, and from the National Association of Independent Schools. They in turn, get it from government.
I cannot wait for the avalanche of lawsuits which will follow. Also the stripping of medical licences from doctors who fully supported the butchering of children's bodies just to appease a mob of transgender extremists. Well done to this woman and all other staff who stood up for what they knew was right and truthful. Hopefully the crazed, extremist trans lobbies in Western Europe and North America will soon have the same fate as the Tavistock clinic.
Maybe beginning in FL:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/kevindowneyjr/2022/08/03/woke-wednesday-desantis-wants-to-sue-doctors-who-butcher-trans-kids-for-profit-n1617996
I just googled de santis and picked an article from the WSJ, about suspending the prosecutor due to his stance on the state’s abortion ban and gender affirming cases.
Only in the 5th paragraph did I read that FL “bans abortion” after 15 weeks.
How is that banning abortion? Sorry I know this is about the gender part but that is BS reporting.
Probably nothing with really change in UK until there is a national law passed. But with post brexit, Ukraine, inflation, I assume it’s not the top issue.
Right, the guy is a George Soros backed Attorney General who doesn't want to uphold laws he doesn't like. But, his job is to uphold the laws. After the Supreme Court ruling states are free to draw the line where they like regarding abortion. FL set it at 15 weeks. It is crazy that the WSJ is woke on these issues, even calling child mutilation "gender affirming surgery" which is outlawed in FL after they did a study and found no evidence of it helping kids (what a shocker). But, what is the good of any law if it is not enforced? Plus, our society would recoil from a thing such as "female circumcision".
I am in the US. That sounds about right about the UK. I think here we are getting close to seeing some major lawsuits. I am also really encouraged by DeSantis. I hope he will be our next president.
Bravo for DeSantis. He's taking the issue right where it belongs: directly to the so-called experts -- the doctors -- who took a vow to do no harm. I hope he succeeds and that the rest of the country follows suit. It won't happen overnight, but we have to start somewhere.
By the way, the current Texas model, in which parents as well as doctors are held liable when their kids transition, is shockingly ignorant. The parents are victims too, and they need the State's support, not blame. What an appallingly dumb policy.
Sometimes the parents are victims of people telling them that they need to put their kid on puberty blockers or their kid will commit suicide. Those parents need support to resist the trans ideology.
But sometimes we're looking at Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy--parents who see trans kids as a way to get oppression points, as a way to virtue signal their devotion to Woke ideology. THOSE parents absolutely ought to go to jail.
I'm aware of the distinction between these two types of parents. Most parents are in the first category, i.e., well-meaning victims of the suicide threat blackmail strategy, while the other type exploit their children for their own narcissistic reasons.
I agree with you that the latter type is guilty as hell, but from a legal standpoint, how to make that distinction in a court of law? It would require a kind of prying into people's lives that would be very difficult. How do you prove intent in such cases? I'm not even sure how such a law would be written. All parents will present themselves as sympathetic, and if we're going to prosecute only the "bad" ones, the "good" ones are also going to be subject to a kind of scrutiny that would probably be experienced as invasive and even cruel.
It strikes me as untenable, but obviously I'm not a legal scholar.
I think teachers and doctors and sometimes even the children themselves might be able to testify as to the difference. I'm not sure it's that hard, in most cases, to distinguish between hesitant parents going along with what what the child demands and gung-ho parents pushing hard to get their child medicalized.
I think the ones who ought to be in legal trouble are the people making decisions for school systems to promote GI and any doctors proscribing these off label cancer drugs for children. Even if a parent is deranged and we feel angry with them, they cannot get those drugs on their own. If someone went to a doctor with some other crazy idea that they'd read demanding prescription medications that maybe they think will do something or other, the doctor still has to agree and give the Rx. I am sure it is very common for a person to go in and demand a drug and the doctor says "No". I think anyone giving out Testosterone to confused girls and young women ought to also be in trouble. In this and only this issue medicine has decided that a 15-16 year old girl is a mature decision maker.
The teachers are the worst - next doctors and counselors.
I am aware from what I read that there are parents who are convinced that puberty blockers are a good idea - or they have this Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. But what I see all around me as the mother of teen/young adult kids - is that girls with no prior history declare trans identity - often in high school after being taught all about Gender Identity under the kindness & understanding DEI umbrella and usually with either online grooming or grooming from a student leader or other kid going on simultaneously. Next, the girl tentatively experiments with "pronouns" at school which the staff are eager to "support". Then, the girl gets a new name. By the time the parents get wind of anything they are playing catch up and reeling. Some parents are demented enough to be convinced about GI. Most often the mother is convinced and the father is not (the child will do a lot of insisting and has all the key things to say and mothers find their children hard to resisit). Fathers are normally less moved by "feelings" of the moment but then they can get blindsided and often a divorce ensues. Even where both parents are not crazy plenty of girls just slow walk it until they can legally start taking hormones on their own through Planned Destruction (Planned Parenthood) and maybe they have their breasts removed on college insurance. Surprise! Then, regret sets in within about 5 years. None of this is ethical. These girls cannot truly give informed consent. And, they just scribbled a signature at the bottom of a form, anyway. Even if the girls "just" take the cutely termed "T" that is immediately permanently destructive.
Sooooo - what I am saying is that the teachers are some of the very worst actors in this bad play. I do not think they truly understand what they are doing. "Oh, she/he can experiment freely in high school where it is "safe" and then change back later..." But, once the mind is taken in with this very serious psychological intervention where all these adults are taking a delusion seriously - the major part of the damage is done prior to anything physical which appear as the next natural steps.
Many parents on PITT are afraid to even speak publicly for fear of CPS knocking on the door or for fear of losing connection to the kid who they hope to influence for the better.
Yes, but TX is still ahead of places like CA, OR, WA... all of Canada...
Bravo for DeSantis! Lets have more of that. :-)
That's true.
Don't hold your breathe. Too many very powerful people got sucked into this cult. They'll delete their tweets and cover their asses faster than a bunch of generals fleeing Afghanistan did. And they'll have every major media institution in the Western world helping them do it.
There may be a big class action settlement, insurance will pay it, and all will be forgotten.
There will be no revoked medical licenses.
There will be no doctors bankrupted in lawsuits.
There will be no medical activists imprisoned for their failure to their patients.
Secondly, as pleased as I am that it will be harder for teenagers to permanently alter their bodies in England before they've even developed those bodies, closing one clinic (even one as big as Tavistock) doesn't solve the "what is a woman" problem at all. Self identification and the erradication of sexual biology is part of a very long train of liberalism promoting maximal individual autonomy". It's not going away just because the British NHS finally pulled its head out of its ass for a few minutes.
To be clear, this nurse is amazingly courageous and deserves immense respect. No one should take my comments as impugning her at all. I'm just not optimistic in the long term trajectory.
"They'll delete their tweets and cover their asses faster than a bunch of generals fleeing Afghanistan did."
That may be sufficient, Sir Brian. If it happened, it would stop the damage in its tracks.
Granted, this is but one *step* on the road that goes away from the abyss.
Brian, you see through to the reality most cannot face. To those who think this is a non-partisan issue, simply examine who is demanding children be allowed to follow their immature demands and transition. This comes from one side of the aisle, the left woke leaders. Yes, many cowardly conservative leaders do not speak up, but the reasons are obvious, they will be trashed by the overwhelming power of the woke media and institutions. In the US, only brave conservatives like DeSantis go to battle. I know of zero conservatives, leaders or lay, including conservative gays and lesbians, who back the woke's gender dystopic movement.
Too many conservatives care what major media (who hate them) write about them.
Too many liberals are too scared of major media treating them like conservatives.
Too many successful people of both sides are scared of losing their status and wealth.
Since this lunacy came from the left though, and they watched it grow for decades in the universities they control, I'm with you: the bulk of the blame lies with the silent liberals.
Doctors who butcher kids' bodies should be arrested and sent to prison. They are psychotic members of the trans cult.
yes
What about the teachers which groomed them into believing this warped reality of feelings over anything else?
Yes, that is the worst part because once the teen's mind is won over - that they believe in Gender Ideology/Queer Theory and that unbelievers like parents are bad/jerks/"pearl clutchers" (who are concerned about them) then they are primed for hormones, etc.& are easy targets for predatory types. Many teachers think this stuff is great and about "acceptance" but even the ones who do not will go along with it or are forced to teach it because of instruction from the unions both at the state (often), national, and from the National Association of Independent Schools. They in turn, get it from government.
Chairman Mao used the same technique to create his red guard.
Exactly right. Many parents on the PITT substack have made the same observation.