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“Known for his libertine lifestyle—including running a sex-cam business—he seemed an odd fit for the moral strictures of Islam. And he was.”

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Ilhan Omar was banging like 3 different guys and laundering campaign funds and committing immigration fraud, while wearing a hijab as a costume, long before Andrew Tate’s apparently opportunistic conversion.

But you probably can’t write an article trashing her because the psychotic religious fundamentalists who actually pose a threat to civilization, Democrats, would have destroyed your life.

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Mike Eyre's avatar

Thank you for this link that itemizes what a rotten scofflaw Ilhan Omar is. 23 traffic citations! And that doesn't even count the last 2 years. This woman is a menace.

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Danimal28's avatar

The Somali population here in MN hates her and for good reason - too much taqqia in her life.

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Terry's avatar

I wish they'd vote for someone else next time.

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Danimal28's avatar

They do, it is just the democrat machine counting ballots instead of actual votes.

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Mike R.'s avatar

I watched Heston being Hur last night.

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Judah ben Hur's avatar

Dude, I'm circumcised. Heston wasn't. I know, because William Wyler confidentially asked me if that would impair Heston's authenticity. I told him, just eliminate the hardcore scenes and nobody will know the difference.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Yeah-You gotta work hard for that job.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

LOL Reuters. That’s like me providing a link to Steve Bannon’s website.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPC_(meme)

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Danimal28's avatar

Bannon isnt that bad, you mean The Atlantic :-D

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Bruce's avatar

The same story plays out again and again in evangelical Christianity.

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Grover's avatar

Funny how Omar hasn't been arrested. I guess you, from your mother's basement, know more than the authorities.

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Terry's avatar

She's a protected class minority. She can break all kinds of laws, such as committing immigration fraud, and get away with it. It also helps that she managed to get elected to Congress. Congress reps can pretty much break any laws they feel like. R's as well as D's.

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Danimal28's avatar

She hasn't been arrested because she IS the narrative in her Somalian MPLS ward; her constituents don't even like her anymore as she is the democrat, demographic 'chic'.

She committed marriage fraud by marrying(stuping) her brother to obtain citizenship and that is well known here in Minny. Taqiyya, the excusable muslim(correct me) way of lying to protect your goals.

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Mike Eyre's avatar

Oh man, you're hilarious. From my home office in the foothills of the Olympic Mountains looking across the Strait of Juan de Fuca at Vancouver Island, I see very clearly how little anyone actually cares about confronting leftist politicians about all the shit they pull. But my comment was not serious; I don't know that Omar was fucking her own brother. That's just a scandalous rumor.

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Mike Eyre's avatar

Dude, you're the best.

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LovingMother's avatar

I strongly agree. And, like, Mandonna probably has more followers and she's pretty out there.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

When you refer to Democrats, if you are referring to those in govt. who support our hidden govt. employees, I might agree with you. But there seems to be some Republicans who stand by and let the un-elected officials make policy and influence the media, esp. social media.

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Danimal28's avatar

Very true, Jim

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Mike R.'s avatar

The report I heard said (as always) someone calling in a fake report about a woman being held against her will brought about the police raid. The woman in question claimed she was in no danger. That's the first I ever heard of Señor Tate. I suspect the prosecution is more about $$$$$$ changing hands and headline politic's than any actual legitimate moral concern. What's Dylan's old IDIOT WIND line: "..someone's got it in for me--they're planting story's in the press--who ever it is I wish they'd cut it out quick--but when they will I can only guess..."

The entire thing is another pay me false flag airball distraction. (Unless you're Andrew Tate.)

If you're interested in what this circus is actually about engage the f'k it gear, stretch your perspective and get your hand's on the Edward F. Edinger commentary on C.G. Jung's AION (short read). Actually feeling ballsy tackle AION itself.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

What's up with the immigration fraud stuff?

Does James O'Keefe have any info?

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Skinny's avatar

Ahhh Kevin beautifully put!

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Danimal28's avatar

Haha! Thanks, because you beat me to it re. Omar... She is a stain on my state.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

She could be having sex with a German Shepard and comprof and the Socialists would love her and support her and criticize anyone who spoke out against her and her dog as a dogyphobe.

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Madjack's avatar

My supposition circa 1992 was that once we leave Christian ethics anything is allowable. On what basis do we have an injunction against bestiality? Personal preference? “Without God all things are permissible”. Doestovesky

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Danimal28's avatar

Touche'!

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Steve's avatar

This is Not your fathers DFL.

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Danimal28's avatar

Exactly

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Did Project Veritas confirm the 3 dudes?

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Mike Eyre's avatar

Would that make you feel better about yourself?

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Comprof2.0's avatar

I feel great about myself.

Just interested in accurate, nonbiased, non ideological echo chamber information.

Don't think that's too much to ask.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Yes they actually filmed them having sex but it was deceptively edited so we don’t know if they really had sex even though there is a video of them having sex.

She paid one of her infidel lovers $400,000 for “campaign consulting”.

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Terry Brown's avatar

I actually believe that is her new husband after he dumped his wife. Sleep with dogs and you get fleas.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Kev, why to you answer this clown? He never gives a straight answer or engages in real debate. He probably believes that Bill Clinton, a misogynist sexual predator "Did not have sex, with that woman, Monica Lewinsky."

He defends the most vile Democrats/Socialist the antisemitic Muslims in the squad and the Socialist Party.

(Yes, I know, the Arabs are also semites.)

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Fascinating, LP. I've asked Kevin Durant repeatedly if the person who recieved the money was her husband or if it was one of, ask KD said, her "infidel lovers."

Not defending anyone. Just looking to be factually accurate. Albeit antithetical to your worldview, it is important.

Lol. I've given straight answers and engaged in debate from Day 1. You just don't like when I do and point out your abject buffoonery, like bringing Bill Clinton and Lewinsky.

Why has he not answered? Do you have any insight re: this issue, LP?

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Terry's avatar

First of all, his name is Kevin Durant?

Second of all, who are you and what have you done with the original comprof?

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Jim Perdue's avatar

Basketball player? Just traded to the Suns?

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Jim...

His comment board name is "KevinDurant?" just like yours is "Jim Perdue"

Stop being stupid.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

Now you know why I don't make a living as a comedian.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Yes, at least on here. I'm sure that is part of his comedic repetoire.

Haven't done a single thing with the original Comprof. Amazing what people can see when they stop being mouth-frothing, Pavlovian, reactionaries.

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Terry's avatar

I, for one, will NEVER stop being a mouth-frothing, Pavlovian, reactionary!

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Comprof is a drool on his chin, glassy eyed, left wing lemming.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Oh, wow. Looks like someone isn't interested in debate....

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Comprof2.0's avatar

That is why you a so beloved on here.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

You must not be seeing all of the unintentional comedy he generates. And also he has created the opening for some of my best zingers.

😂😂

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Maybe you should try and focus on intentional comedy first?

I believe it was her husband who was running the consulting firm?

Yes, adding "....and shit" to comments and fabricating quotes is truly comedic gold. A regular Oscar Wilde.

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Mike Eyre's avatar

Was she married to that one while she was still married to her brother? I can't remember.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

She was married to her brother?

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Terry's avatar

She apparently temporarily married her brother, to more easily get him a visa into the U.S., or so the story goes. Not sure really how accurate the story is.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Believe that was her husband, his consulting firm who recieved the money?

Did Project Veritas verify the voter fraud as well?

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Steve's avatar

Eve hear of The Red/Green Alliance?

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Terry's avatar

You could also draw a comparison with many pop idols of the past 50-60 years with their narcissistic, amoral decadence.

Particularly today, rapper stars often have quite libertine lifestyles (or public personas, anyway). Their songs, or poetry or whatever you want to call it, celebrate raw, violent masculinity and the total male dominance over passive, weak females, who are referred to using the most vulgar, demeaning epithets imaginable.

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KB0679's avatar

The only rapper I'm aware of in recent years to use a supposed newfound religious devotion in concert with a highly visible ideological profile is Kanye West

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Carpe Vinum's avatar

You could also keep going and note how popular rappers have been unchallenged in their egregiously misogynistic lyrics since at least the late 80's, but we didn't see any public uproar until we heard the word "homo".

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KB0679's avatar

When was that? From my recollection, it was Gangsta Rap that emerged in the early 90s and more or less dominated the genre throughout the decade that elicited what is still today the biggest and most sustained outcry from practically all corners. Today a lot of the catchier songs are heavily sexual and overly materialistic at most, but it doesn't come close to being as raw, violent, and explicit as the 90s stuff.

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PH's avatar

It is quite ironic, isn’t it, that the left generally embraces these rappers but yet their music is really completely anti-female.

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KB0679's avatar

I'm pretty sure I saw many on the right readily embrace several rappers who voiced support for or openness to Trump just a few short years ago.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Yeah you have to be a pretty hardcore racist to not understand the difference.

So if a rapper supports tax cuts and you support him then you support tax cuts.

If a rapper is telling men to sell drugs and treat women like whores and you support him, then you have a different agenda.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

I'm not very familiar with Hip Hop and/or rap, but I'm not sure TuPac falls into the category you mention.

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Carpe Vinum's avatar

What category?

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Jim Perdue's avatar

Misogynistic rap or hip hop. For some reason my reply didn't appear under the comment I was replying to.

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Carpe Vinum's avatar

There are/were many artists who don’t fall into that category (like everything else in the generalization world) but he was definitely guilty. Keep Your Head Up just gave everyone memory loss.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Rap culture is the exact same as the trans movement; over time it just creates more Democrats. That’s all they care about.

Although, admittedly, cutting people’s dicks off is an escalation when compared to simply celebrating music that encourages a life of crime and community destruction.

Democrats are scumbags.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Bad social and financial policy and the exploitation of the consequences by the monster's imposing it. There is no Democrat/Republican, left/right, capitalist/marxist only we (they'd like to believe) small Citizen's of the Republic. (criminal, terrorist, white supremacist, homophobic, white nationalist, add your own.)

Example: Jacob Schiff (Congressman Adam Schiff's grandpa) and his Wall Street cohort's (remember Occupy?) funded Lenin and the Bolshevik's. If you believe Solzhenitsyn, the Bolshevik's weren't Russian, and in fact hated the Russian people and proved it by starving and murdering them by the millions. Why? Simple. Access to the Czar's treasury. Now consider the failure of elected American political leadership, the looting of the national treasury by Wall Street thug's, betrayal by our intelligence agencies, the ongoing Canadian/EU collapse of human right's and freedom, and the recent open display of hubris at Davos by criminal finance and draw your own conclusions.( Where are trillions in unaccounted for American tax dollars going?)

We're under attack because we're American's and because we believe in the freedom outlined in our Constitution. No one cares if you're a Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, Black, White, Gay, be anything you want. But be an American.

Further more. Why is there open discrimination and a sexist/racist war on white heterosexual males and why can't we talk about it? Why are young white males being drugged and butchered and denied access to higher education? Who is financing it, and who is getting paid to make it happen? (Again. Your tax dollars at work?)

Tate is being prosecuted simply because he has a sense of personal power and agency, successfully stuffed his pocket's and the press is being told to propagandize it. He, (like Assange, Snowden and Peltier) is just the object lesson of the moment. Most of the psyop is the creation of fear and confusion.

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DeniCam's avatar

"We're under attack because we're American's and because we believe in the freedom outlined in our Constitution. No one cares if you're a Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, Black, White, Gay, be anything you want. But be an American."

I believe you said it better than I have ever heard it. That's exactly right; and what is needed to navigate the deterioration of our culture and those that hate the US. Thank you.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

Will you clarify what you wrote, in simple, easy to understand terms? I'm not sure what you are getting at.

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Mike R.'s avatar

If you don't have a plan and a sense of personal agency and power you become a part of someone else's plan and find yourself manipulated and controlled by the power and aims of other's. The American Constitutional Republic, its Constitution, and the Bill of Right's it contains, is the empowering human vision informing the agency and consent of the FREE CITIZEN to be represented by elected political leadership directly responsible in conduct and action too the CITIZEN. That is the only legitimate political reality in the United States of America. The chaos and disintegration of American cultural/social/economic values American's are experiencing is the direct result of the failure and corruption of elected American political representation and leadership.----Hope this helps.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

Got it. Beyond our representatives, I'm learning more and more how influential the hidden government is. Power and money, and control.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

My sister is a Democrat, and she's not a scumbag.

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Terry's avatar

I'm sure that Kevin Durant? meant "the Left Wing of the Democrats" rather than "All Democrats along with their dogs and horses".

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Jim Perdue's avatar

My sister does have a dog, no horses though.

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Jim Perdue's avatar

Would you like to explain? Existential threat?

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Are you saying Democrats are an existential threat?

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Jim Perdue's avatar

How old ARE you?

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Terry's avatar

I guess I'd rather guys cut their dicks off (once they are over 18) than murder people.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Uh.... who's talking about murder? That's quite a leap.

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Terry's avatar

well I was referring to the rap lyrics that involve snuffing people, and the rap/ghetto culture that seems to encourage and celebrate gangland murder.

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CC's avatar

Contemporary Black culture is very coarse…and yet we’re urged to embrace it and study it and honor it. No thank you.

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bestuvall's avatar

and yet you fall right into the trap of the "B" not the b. black is a color not a race

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R. G. Atmajian's avatar

Just saying that just as contemporary white culture is not really very much like it’s pop stars, contemporary black culture is different from its rap stars. The average person in the street is nothing like these figures, and these figures are a tool to influence and shape the average person by convincing them everyone who’s anyone thinks a certain way. Also, isn’t it a long cited stat that the largest consumers of rap are 14 year old caucasians?

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CC's avatar

Consumers of culture is not the issue. The issue is the profane and pornographic sounds and imagery of rap and hip hop. They say ‘art’ reflects the culture- if so ‘black culture’ is debauched. The saddest thing at the recent Grammy awards was that the banal dance music of Beyoncé outpaced the number of awards received by all time Grammy winner, Hungarian-British conductor Georg Solti. That says everything about how mediocre the American culture has become.

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KB0679's avatar

You are being exceptionally disingenuous portraying hip hop, which is a culture unto itself, as Black culture in its entirety when I'm sure you know full well that Black Americans created, helped to create, or pioneered every major musical genre that emerged in America. And how can consumers of culture not be the issue when the industry necessarily responds to the tastes of consumers to ensure profitability? White youth and young adults are getting the exact sort of content from hip hop artists that they enjoy, and they know every word to every Top 100 hip hop song too. Hip hop is obviously the most popular of the major American genres at the moment which is due, in large part, to its appeal among youth of all races and ethnicities. But if you have little to no firsthand experience with Black American culture in its varying dimensions, or you're simply choosing to see only what you want to see, then of course you'd say something as vacuous as that. But I'm all too certain big names like Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Prince, etc aren't exactly unfamiliar to you but somehow they don't count as definers of Black musical culture.

Odd.

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Pariah's avatar

I'll take Beyonce over Sam Smith any day; not sure that "white pop culture" is any better than "black pop culture." Not sure there is any virtue to be had in putting certain groups down; a wiser course of action is to search for any good you can find and emulate it. Be like the bee, searching out honey, and not like the fly . . .

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nedweenie's avatar

The left is 100x more misogynistic than the right these days. Nothing is more patriarchal than believing fetishistic and delusional men when they say that they're really women, and giving them anti discrimination laws to enjoy their fetishes and delusions wherever they want. Even when those laws put females in danger and at a disadvantage.

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frank tarascio's avatar

Huh? Patriarchal?

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LovingMother's avatar

Well said.

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Pariah's avatar

I think you, like most people, misunderstand the term "patriarchy". People use the term for any system in which men mistreat women, and dump into this large, meaningless box traditional religious societies in which men are deemed to be the head of the family and the women are subservient to the men, as well as modern secular societies in which women bear men's children without requiring the men to help raise and support the children, and in which men can dress as women and invade women's spaces. No, patriarch is not such a large box. Men can abuse women in any system, and women can abuse men in any system (though the abuse can take different forms). Patriarchy, I would argue, is a system in which young men are sexually starved into submission to harness their particular strengths in service to the greater needs of the family, in an attempt to essentially make men "more like women" in the sense of being devoted to their offspring, and the mother(s) of their offspring. Patriarchy can include abuse, and it also affords greater protection to children and women, generally speaking. Look at homicide rates by country; the more "egalitarian" the society, the more likely women are murdered at a similar rate as the men. The more "patriarchal" the country, the less likely the women are to be murdered. Because we cannot paint reality into existence, i.e., legislate how society should be, but can only create with our laws incentives, sometimes the laws we enact to "help" certain groups end up actually hurting them, and vice versa. There are always trade-offs. So while in the past women weren't permitted to work in bars unless they were related to the owner, this was considered by some to be "anti-woman" so they changed the law to make us more "equal," so now women are expected to put up with harassment working in bars. The first was patriarchal, the second is not. Generous maternity leave/benefits lead to fewer employment opportunities for women, etc. There are definitely downsides to patriarchy, and to modern egalitarianism, for women specifically, but they are totally different, and I think it is important to draw a distinction.

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nedweenie's avatar

All good and relevant points. I used "patriarchy" because the left is supposedly fighting against all things "patriarchal". Laughably simplistic, and more than a little ironic, but some people buy it in droves. Ironically it's not Toxic Masculinity that's gotten us into this mess. It's indulgent and starry eyed Toxic Femininity and the bone headed notion that there are no differences at all between the sexes that has. We're all just blank slate Meat Legos who choose their "genders". Be kind! It'll be fine!

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Mike R.'s avatar

Consider the prohibition on knowing who one is. The destruction of national history, cultural myth and social/spiritual connection. The gutting of education, community and industrial base. The looting of the economy. The capture and reduction of your national dialogue to a psyop. Living crisis to crisis no solution's forthcoming. Alway's waiting for the hammer to fall. The ongoing war to replace you and seize your country.--Pretend it isn't happening.

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Terry's avatar

I wonder if you could paragraph that. My aging eyes... particularly bad today, because dilated from optometrist visit.

"the women are subservient to the men" HAH! Any man who is married can tell you that never happens. We wish....

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Mike Eyre's avatar

Ditto.

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Terry's avatar

And the ultimate consequence of such lunacy: a male raping a girl in the girls' restroom then the powers that be covering for him because transgender.

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Grover's avatar

There were about 144k rape cases last year. How many times did this happen? Who gave the accused cover?

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Terry's avatar

Well, I don't know. Someone here has expanded/corrected the tg/bathroom Loudoun story so I'm not actually sure which parts of it are true, versus constructed or interpreted to fit some narrative.

The one thing everyone agrees, is that the boy was allowed to quietly transfer to another school, where he repeated the same behavior (sex with a girl, described as "rape").

There was also some kind of weird situation where the dad of the first(?) girl showed up at a school board meeting to complain about the lack of action against the boy, and they called the police and had him arrested.

The boy got off without any reprimand or intervention, whereas the dad of the victim was arrested. At least, that's how it was interpreted. This outraged a lot of people, and it led to parents running for office to get some of these Loudoun school board officials thrown out. Which they did.

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Smarticat's avatar

"There was also some kind of weird situation where the dad of the first(?) girl showed up at a school board meeting to complain about the lack of action against the boy, and they called the police and had him arrested.

The boy got off without any reprimand or intervention, whereas the dad of the victim was arrested. At least, that's how it was interpreted. This outraged a lot of people, and it led to parents running for office to get some of these Loudoun school board officials thrown out. Which they did."

This is an entirely legit reading of the situation. The father, btw, a father of a daughter who was violently assaulted and in a manner that would enrage practically *any* parent worth their salt, was sitting in a school board meeting where the administrator, or whoever, claimed there were "zero" sexual assualts on campus, which, naturally, enraged the father in question.

Now the school walked it back to claim that statement was that it was limited to "trans identified" assaults, but that seems a bit cherry picking. Is it really more harmful if the assailant was trans or not?

The "real" issue here is that the Loudon County schools allowed a student that had already been expelled from one school for sexual assault and allowed them to transfer seamlessly into another school with what seems to be little caution or watch applied to the student in question as to their subsequent behaviors of engaging in (originally) consensual sex *on school property* with another student, which eventually led to the assault. The assailant student should never have been allowed the amount of freedom for this behavior in the subsequent school in the first place, and prolly should never have been placed in another "regular" school to begin with after the first incident to begin with.

Lots of errors and harm here, but few to none seem to be involving a transgender bathroom policy (that was also not in effect at the time of assault either), so the hot takes and reporting really went wild on a few tangents of info for narrative effect. The actual situation as it stands, though, is still pretty troubling on its own.

BTW - I appreciate your willingness to re-evaluate on my post : )

**Edit** The assailant was subsequently reported and charged based off the second assault, which is the one the girl's father was involved in his own charges with (which should never have happened, btw, the school clearly had to have known who he was and should have applied some better handling to his "outburst" based on - he is also a secondary victim of that assault, IMO, and should have been handled accordingly as having his own trauma to assess). However, it does appear the initial assault was not reported, and as said, the assailant was allowed a quiet transfer to another school in the district.

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Terry's avatar

School officials covering up sexual assaults against girls is a practice that dates back to caveman times.

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Smarticat's avatar

If you're talking about Loudon County, that's not accurate. The assailant was not transgender or "non-binary" or whatever. They were male identified, and their victim was their "girlfriend" or more likely, occasional sex partner, and they occasionally met up in the girls bathroom to fool around - apparently the guy got more aggressive and pushy abou the acts he wanted to do, which ended up in a pretty bad sounding assault and rape in the stall that they had once again met together in.

The questions around "trans" happened because of a few things: One, there were rumors that the assailant sometimes wore skirts (of the goth guy type), but nothing confirmed. They were not entering the bathroom under the guise of being a trans-girl however, or because of the school's policies to allow trans bathroom use that still would not have permitted him using the bathroom to hook up in, or as a lone male skulking in the bathroom waiting to assualt someone who was "allowed" in under the policy. They were entering the bathroom with another girl for non-bathroom purposes, because the girls' bathroom likely has locked stalls and more "privacy" (much in "my days" in high school we used the girls' bathroom to smoke cigarettes in).

The school, however proceeded to complete a series of bad actions around this kid to start with: first, he had assaulted another student in another school in the district. Rather than being expelled or otherwise, he was allowed to transfer to this school - and no one was given the heads up apparently about his past. Secondly, the school treated the parents of the victim poorly - withholding information, the delay in reporting the incident to police, and "policing" the parents response to the situation. Thirdly, once the rumours began that this was the result of the "trans bathroom" policy, the school got super defensive and denied publicy that any assaults had occurred since this policy was enacted - rather than being clear that there was an assault, but that it had nothing to do with the policy. Basically, the school thought it was more important to protect the trans bathroom policy than it was to protect the victim, and to take responsibiliy for how they mishandled the assailant to begin with, which ended up making the trans bathroom policy seem more suspect.

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Gooddogboy's avatar

This seems accurate BUT please if you must use “they” as a gender neutral third person try it singular: “they is sad” or “give them what they wants” etc... yes it sounds dumb but if it catches on it will make sense. “They are” achieves gender neutrality but is confusing.

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LovingMother's avatar

I think the boy's name has been withheld because he was 14. So, I do not know whether he was trying to go by a girl name at school or not. In this day and age of LGBTQ++WTF Alliances I am skeptical that any boys go to school wearing skirts and are not identifying as "trans" which is certainly a state of mind (mental disorder or social contagion). Sadly, I don't think any girls go to school with short hair now without it being understood that it is a signal that they think they "are boys". This is different from even 10 years ago.

Plenty of men who identify as "trans" explain their being into women as that they "are lesbians". So, I don't know. Did you read somewhere that he went by his own name and never a girl one?

It seems to be much more than wild teen sex gone astray as the judge put him on a sex offender list. "Citing the “scary” nature of the boy’s crimes and psychological reports, the judge said this was the first time she had ever required a minor to be put on the registry." https://thenewamerican.com/loudoun-county-transgender-school-rapist-found-guilty/

Even worse than these school bathroom policies are the policies that direct teachers to call kids opposite sex names the kids make up - without the parents even knowing - and then even against the parents's instructions when they find out. This is a serious psychological intervention. Here is a happy story of a school that backed down and reversed course from that policy: "What Happens When Schools Follow the Parents’ Lead?" https://pitt.substack.com/p/what-happens-when-schools-follow

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Smarticat's avatar

"It seems to be much more than wild teen sex gone astray as the judge put him on a sex offender list. "Citing the “scary” nature of the boy’s crimes and psychological reports, the judge said this was the first time she had ever required a minor to be put on the registry.""

Totallly agree to that, sorry didn't intend to minimize the nature of the assault (he was convicted of sodomy, so that gives you a clue as to what the assault actually involved), but so much as to set up the circumstances as to how the assault happened. The victim and assailant were involved in a relationship prior to the assault, and did have prior consensual sexual activity, and in the said bathroom stalls. Which is also not intended to "victim blame" either. Clearly the assailant had an already abusive pattern, and it does lead to questions about how much of their prior contact was fully "consensual" as well, yet, going on the reporting of the court case, seems it was. So like a true predator, it seems he groomed his victim into a space of trust where he then used their "relationship" as the means to violently attack and assault her.

My issue is primarily with the school allowing the assailant who already demonstrated this pattern in their prior school and allowed the transfer with apparently little heads up to the staff to keep a watch on this dude.

My heart breaks for the young girl involved. The type of assault she endured is painful and emotionally damaging, and to have it come from a supposed person she trusted, and then to have her parents prosecuted over having perhaps the most normal and expected reactions of Papa Bear and Mama Bear protecting their young, yah.. the school sucked in its handling of this all around.

And yet - the drive to politicize this event for partisan means ("this is why trans bathroom policies are BAD") is also not good, which is why it's important to wait for the facts before framing events into those convenient narratives (the opposite being that an overly permissive/cautious school administration has somehow faciliated the girls bathrooms as unsafe spaces, on the guise of protecting trans bathroom access, and other policies?)...

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Well yeah naturally the name is withheld due to juvenile issues, but again the follow up reporting does not indicate the individual involved identified as "trans" or was accessing the bathroom due to his gender identity, and that the victim involved had already been involved in a consensual sexual relationship with him, and had prior encounters in the bathroom before this one turned violent, and awful.

Here's some additional reporting: https://reason.com/2021/11/01/conservatives-wrongly-portrayed-the-loudoun-county-sexual-assault-as-a-transgender-bathroom-issue/

This was a terrible assault that the school handled badly but it does not appear to be linked to trans policies or "transgenderism" in general.

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LovingMother's avatar

I recommend this Dr. Paul McHugh article regarding the "transgendered" including the new, young cohort.

https://couragerc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/TransgenderSurgery.pdf

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Thanks for the link. We may never know... But the Reason article does seem extremely biased: "It was a story that appeared to confirm the conservative media's worst fears about how predatory men could theoretically take advantage of accommodations for transgender people in order to harm young girls" This is not an unfounded fear. Loads of trans-id men are intact as men but with fake breasts and long hair. In the adult world lots of tran-id AG men have alarmed and assaulted women in women's spaces. You find that the lesbian websites in particular have been raging about this for years.

The article suggests that the boy was not trans-id because the boy and girl had a relationship and met for consensual sex in the past. School is weird now. There are boy-girl relationships where they think they are both gay men. There are girls who date boys who say they are girls. (read the PITT substack). Boys today do not wear black dresses and skirts to school just to be Goth like it's the 1990s. All the kids know about the LGBTQ++ identities and what these signals mean in their world.

I think you are making the point that he was not a boy who was there hanging out in the bathroom to spring on an unknown girl. And that I agree with. The judge discussed the "nature of the boy’s crimes and psychological reports" - there is some weird manipulative stuff going on with this autogyno - wanting to be a lesbian thing.

The Reason article ends by discussing

"supposed dangers of letting trans students use women's bathrooms" That is taking the matter pretty lightly. And, what is a "trans student"? There are students who id as this thing called trans. You have to have drunk the Gender Ideology Koolaid to believe there are "transgender people". We have a great number of Autogyno men and we have many many young people caught up in social contagion.

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True, I may have jumped the gun about the "skirt type" to a "goth skirt", but the reporting is very ambiguous about how this individual was dressed/identified. But I guess at the core of it, the case itself was not the boilerplate scare story about the risk of allowing trans-women into women's bathrooms, where a creeper could just put on a skirt, lurk and assault or whatever, and unfortunately, that is pretty much how a lot of right wing media reported on it (and continues to portray it as).

I think we may have to agree to disagree on some of your views about trans identity in general, I do generally accept "transgerism" as a legit condition (and agree to be respectful to trans identified/non-binary individuals when it comes to their identity and pronouns), although I will agree that the degree of "ROGD" in mostly younger women is probably not really "trans" but a social contagion that has many roots and causes, and I have much, much empathy towards the families dealing with this phenomenon that are getting such bad support from the medical and educational communities currently that are erring way too far in the favor of "self ID", capitulating to trans activism on the matter, and ramp up to socializing/medicalizing the situation, particularly when there seems to be a pattern of emotional/mental issues associated with the rapid onset of supposed "gender dysphoria". I also agree there should be limitations about the gatekeeping/access to "female only" spaces for various states of "trans", in particular wrt to "transwomen" to women.

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So, for a long time we probably had a tiny number of guys with body dysmorphia quietly using the ladies room. Did we need to have "all gender" restrooms everywhere with pictures of people in a half dress - even single occupancy rooms? I object to the Ideology surrounding "gender". This has been bad for the kids psychologically.

"Have you seen this? "BREAKING: New Documents Reveal Shocking Surge in Trans-Identified Students in Davis, CA Schools

In Davis schools, trans-identified students rise to over 6 percent."

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/breaking-new-documents-reveal-shocking

Then, there really has been an invasion of female spaces by men who are not out to be quiet about it. People like "Rhys McKinnon" come to mind, that guy at the spa in LA, and that Mr. Waxy balls in Canada. I think that our Assistant US Health Secretary Richard/Rachael Levine (First Female Four Star Admiral) is especially awful for fast tracking the young people - as a policy.

Then, there's this woman at UCSF who was part of the Satanic Panic Preschool Scandal back in the day: "Diane Ehrensaft, 'Satanic Panic' Woo Peddler, Now Champions the 'Gender Angels' Among Us The dangerously consequential career of a quack"

https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/diane-ehrensaft-satanic-panic-woo

I have never been particularly conservative or liberal but I think our country has gone off the deep end with Marxist Queer Theory so I'm looking more conservative these days.

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I think I agree with much of what you say. As far as ROGD pretty much any kid who does not fit in in any way whether it's autism or being quirky - whatever - can find themselves caught up in social contagion - then gaslit ("affirmed" at school). I do agree with you that a very very tiny percent of mostly men have a body dysmorphia issue (a disorder of the mind but its a thing) but there is no gatekeeping at all anymore and even they deserve to have someone carefully explore the underlying drive and only "transition" as a last resort. There are way to many regretters of all stripes. And, it is messing with a healthy body to appease a disordered mind. Again, it could be the right option for a tiny few. And, they are not actually women and it's crazy to insist they are or for us to have a Supreme Court justice who cannot say what a woman is.

Then, there a a great number of self id autogynophillic men who never do anything "down below", get fake breasts, say they are "lesbians" and invade female spaces". "Non-binary" seems pure nuts to me. The first guy to get that on his drivers license, Jamie Shupe, has deep regrets about it.

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Terry's avatar

Thanks, that's interesting. What is the source for your information?

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Smarticat's avatar

There's been several subsequent reports, start with these (I have a feeling NY Times and WaPo, which also reported, will be less acceptable sources here ;P ) https://reason.com/2021/11/01/conservatives-wrongly-portrayed-the-loudoun-county-sexual-assault-as-a-transgender-bathroom-issue/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/loudon-county-sexual-assault-bathroom-b1945937.html

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Another consequence - pharma and plastic surgeons making the big bucks giving confused under aged girls and young women testosterone & double mastectomies. Nothing weird or wrong there! Because - Identity!

"Chloe Cole v. Kaiser Permanente"

https://www.dhillonlaw.com/lawsuits/chloe-cole-v-kaiser-permanente/

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Terry's avatar

Gender affirming care, LOL!

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Shirley G's avatar

And male prisoners bring housed in women’s prisons when all they have to do it say they identify as a women. Then we all scratch our heads and wonder how all these women prisoners are having babies.

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Ann22's avatar

Good grief.

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Ann22's avatar

What/where/when was this?

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Terry's avatar

Virginia. Loudoun County. Look it up.

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Carpe Vinum's avatar

NJ also.

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nedweenie's avatar

“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." Matthew 7:6

I am not a Christian. But oddly enough all kinds of Bible quotes pop into my head these days.

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Terry's avatar

And racist.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Anyone who disagrees with the left is a racist. If you don't believe me ask a leftist.

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CC's avatar

And vulgar

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Steve's avatar

"the total male dominance over passive, weak females,"

It appears no one has ever told The Women in my family they were supposed to be weak and passive. Starting with Granny Stein (born 1862, raised 7 by herself after her husband died on the ND prairie). You could say many things about her. Weak & Passive AIN'T one of them. She passed that along to the rest of the women in our family.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

It doesn't surprise me that a misogynist would convert to Islam. Some imams give classes to the faithful on how to beat their wives. The Dems/Socs love Islam. They call this violent, brutal religion, "The religion of peace." and these idiots actually believe it.

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Touche. I thought this essay was a hidden finger writing a political message on the wall (in essence). Saying "I was surprised (and relieved) to find that the profile made no mention of Tate’s religion." and "As far as I was concerned, this was progress. So what if Tate was Muslim? People of all faiths do bad things and have bad ideas, and Muslims were no exception. Finally, we were normal." sounded like, "I don't care what the means are, the end is, after all, the goal I seek. That is woke politics in the kernal of a nutshell. IMHO. Censor, twist, celebrate and consider myself on a higher plane and fully justified. I will understand nothing and explain everything.

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"So what if Tate was Muslim? People of all faiths do bad things and have bad ideas, and Muslims were no exception. "

This is true but in modern times do other religions do bad things on the scale that Islam does? I am thinking of the gulf states who throw homosexuals off buildings chop off hands and heads, have public floggings and of course ISIS. When ISIS was at its zenith, they slaughtered any infidel they could lay their hands on and they murdered them in horrible fashions. They buried them alive, burnt them alive and dragged them behind trucks, raped women and children and then sold them into slavery. They murdered hundreds, thousands? Who knows?

And comprof and his left wing buddies defend these monsters and call Islam the religion of peace.

The author of today's essay conveniently ignores these abominations. Surely Bari edited this essay and would spot that the author is an Islamic apologist.

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bestuvall's avatar

i often wonder when I see women covered. if they were not forced to do this would they? I used to shop at a bug discount designer shop. the dressing rooms was one big one with mirrors all around. I say covered women in there trying on all sorts of clothes and buying them. why?

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Randy F's avatar

Pictures are available from Iran circa 1979 prior to the revolution...not a burkha to be seen and bikinis at the beaches. That says all I need to know about the coverings being a choice.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

You can thank the ever incompetent Jimmy Carter for today's Iran which went from being Westernized to the 8th century brutal theocracy it is today.

God bless the Democrats!

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Randy F's avatar

Weak, internationally naive leadership is never good, especially for America. Canada is suffering through that as we write and it’s not going well.

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Pariah's avatar

Many of them are not forced to cover - some even go against their families' wishes for them to be more "modern." There is a certain comfort in not caring what people think of one's appearance, of hiding one's beauty. Of not letting men-at-large enjoy one's beauty, of controlling who gets to enjoy one's own beauty. And they try on clothes, and buy them, because they like to look good for their husbands at home, and for their girlfriends at get-togethers. Good questions.

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Pacificus's avatar

Yeah, it would be nice to think that there is a middle ground between the toss-the- gays-off- the roof philosophy of Islam and the gays-in-the=pulpit policies of liberal Christianity...sigh...

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Since this guy is from Brookings the real objective was to convince everyone that we need to keep electing Democrats because otherwise Adrian Vermeule, Sohrab Amari, and Patrick Deneen, who I’m still not sure are real people, are going to seize power and roll down your street with tanks and force you to take communion.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Off topic:

I Wish To Live Forever ........

I met a magical fairy yesterday who said she would grant me one wish.

"I wish to live forever" I said.

"Sorry" said the fairy, "That is the only wish that I'm not allowed to grant."

"Fine" I said, "then I want to die the day after Congress is filled with honest, hard-working, bipartisan men and women who act only in the people's best interests!"

“You crafty little bastard," replied the fairy!

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DeniCam's avatar

LOLOL...thanks for the laugh.

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Skinny's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣priceless

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Shane Gericke's avatar

Love this one, Lonesome!

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bestuvall's avatar

so so stealing this. so appropriate after last nights "speech"

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