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Elizabeth Shemesh's avatar

I see many condemnations of Israel’s “cruel” treatment of Palestinians, but I want to hear real solutions. What can Israel do differently without compromising security? And why in the world should they stop building settlements in the hope of some theoretical peace deal that the Palestinians clearly do not want?

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Terry Brown's avatar

You nailed it and its simple. But deeper is the sick thinking that somehow Jews are not real people and killing them is justified. Some seriously sick thinking in the world.

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Albert Loveland's avatar

That is such a great point, and I would add that Israel gave back the Gaza Strip in a land for peace plan. The Gazans could govern themselves. And what happened? See what happened last Saturday. The people like Rice or Packer don't have to live with the consequences of their actions—the Israelis do. We should not run to past failures like Rice or listen to effete narcissists like Packer. Israel should follow the path that will work for them and not worry about the pain it will cause the enemy. Deep down, everyone in Gaza cheered and wanted Isreal dead. That needs to change before any peace, and sadly, you must break people of the habit rather than giving them peace offerings.

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Elizabeth Shemesh's avatar

It wasn’t even deep down. The celebrations were out in the open for everyone to see.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

Hi Elizabeth! So I approach events (and ultimately history) from a conspiratorial perspective. I’d argue that we only get the “good” side of history and without looking at the conspiratorial nature, we’re only getting half the picture.

I say that to say that you make a great point in we “see celebrations.”

My point is this: who’s “showing” us these images? “Why” are they showing us these images? Is the point here to invoke an emotion in me, the viewer, so I support their mission?

Without this analysis, we simply follow along the narrative without logically looking at the situation.

I’m hoping this is making sense and here are a few articles for references to tie everything:

1. Why we need to be careful what we see on tv:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-to-tell-whats-real-in-the-land

2. How billionaires really shape industries (including war):

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/donating-to-a-good-cause-how-billionaires

Let me know if there are any questions!

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Elizabeth Shemesh's avatar

They are showing them to us. Just as any other group of people at a celebration, they pull out their phones and records themselves celebrating and upload it onto social media.

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Albert Loveland's avatar

And a question that jumped into my mind: if you give aid and comfort to a mortal enemy, are you really innocent civilians?

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Robert Moore's avatar

"And why in the world should they stop building settlements in the hope of some theoretical peace deal that the Palestinians clearly do not want?"

That is it, in a nutshell!

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