it is possible, but that isn't the norm. Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism tend to be a bit like a hand and glove. Different, but they do work together.
If you looked at the polling around recent Palestinian election (which ultimately didn't happen), 3 groups led. Each advocating for the murder of Jews. One incorporates it into its charter,…
it is possible, but that isn't the norm. Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism tend to be a bit like a hand and glove. Different, but they do work together.
If you looked at the polling around recent Palestinian election (which ultimately didn't happen), 3 groups led. Each advocating for the murder of Jews. One incorporates it into its charter, one pays people to do it and calls the murderers holy and the 3rd is in prison for his role in murdering 5 people. You rarely hear criticism of these policies by those critical of Israel.
As for religion, people are absolutely free to criticize it. There's lot in the Torah worthy of criticism. Much like there is lots in the US Constitution worthy of criticism. My own view of religion includes this: God gave you a brain, and expects you to use it. That said, criticism is different than hate or incitement.
How are you determining the norm? For example, you think among Democrats who are critical of zionism, it is the norm for them to be anti-semetic? I find that highly unlikely.
What does Palestinian politics have to do with whether Israel's policies toward ethnic Palistinians is racist and unjust?
For example, I can find the dominant political factions in Palistine worse than the dominant political factions of Israel, but still consider the dominant political factions of Israel racist. I can still think the US shouldn't be subsidizing a relatively wealthy theocratic ethnno state and also think that their enemies are worse. These are not mutually exclusive positions, thus there is no reason to assume that because a person condemns zionism that they also support dominant Palestinian political factions. Some people do, but that is just guilt by association.
When someone condemns Zionism, how do you determine whether that person is anti Semitic or just anti Zionism? That they don't condemn the dominant political factions in Palistine in the same breath? Do you think a person is racist against white people when they condemn white nationalism without condemning Louis Farakhan in the same breath?
Given the prejudices people have about people who condemn zionism, a person who does condemn zionism may be prudent to point out at the same time they also condemn the dominant political factions of Palistine, lest they are deemed an anti semite by some people. But, to avoid that prejudice may be as futile as a white person condemning blm and also condemning white nationalism. They will still often be called racist by people who support blm.
And there is also the fact that what is often deemed “anti semetic” by people who wish to express condemnation of the behavior and views of dominant Palestinian factions is actually animosity that is entirely directed at people who identify as religious Jews, and not people who are “racially” Jewish. If a person born into Judaism were to convert to Islam, the Muslims who have a hatred toward Jews may not have hatred toward that person. Hatred directed at Jews because of their religion is not racism, just as hatred directed at Muslims is not racism, just as hatred directed at atheists is not racism.
Hatred toward people because of their ideology while often immoral, is not *always* immoral, while hatred toward people because of their race is always immoral. Hatred toward Nazis because of their ideology is a favorite pastime these days, but hatred toward Nazis because of their race is immoral. People do not typically assume a hatred toward Nazis is sufficient evidence of hatred toward Germans though. It is quite common though to assume a contempt toward Zionism is sufficient evidence of hatred toward ethnic Jews — regardless of those Jews’ ideology. That is a type of hypocrisy.
Such conflation between animosity toward ideology and animosity toward race is quite common among proponents of some ideologies who want to shield their ideology from criticism though. That is both intellectually and morally bankrupt.
BLM and people who support BLM for example, do it regularly. People think because their ideology has included the word “black” in it, any criticism of it is therefore racist against black people. Its stupid.
If someone thinks the character of Jehovah in the Torah is evil and only worthy of condemnation and not worship -- do you consider that criticism, or hate?
it is possible, but that isn't the norm. Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism tend to be a bit like a hand and glove. Different, but they do work together.
If you looked at the polling around recent Palestinian election (which ultimately didn't happen), 3 groups led. Each advocating for the murder of Jews. One incorporates it into its charter, one pays people to do it and calls the murderers holy and the 3rd is in prison for his role in murdering 5 people. You rarely hear criticism of these policies by those critical of Israel.
As for religion, people are absolutely free to criticize it. There's lot in the Torah worthy of criticism. Much like there is lots in the US Constitution worthy of criticism. My own view of religion includes this: God gave you a brain, and expects you to use it. That said, criticism is different than hate or incitement.
How are you determining the norm? For example, you think among Democrats who are critical of zionism, it is the norm for them to be anti-semetic? I find that highly unlikely.
What does Palestinian politics have to do with whether Israel's policies toward ethnic Palistinians is racist and unjust?
For example, I can find the dominant political factions in Palistine worse than the dominant political factions of Israel, but still consider the dominant political factions of Israel racist. I can still think the US shouldn't be subsidizing a relatively wealthy theocratic ethnno state and also think that their enemies are worse. These are not mutually exclusive positions, thus there is no reason to assume that because a person condemns zionism that they also support dominant Palestinian political factions. Some people do, but that is just guilt by association.
When someone condemns Zionism, how do you determine whether that person is anti Semitic or just anti Zionism? That they don't condemn the dominant political factions in Palistine in the same breath? Do you think a person is racist against white people when they condemn white nationalism without condemning Louis Farakhan in the same breath?
Given the prejudices people have about people who condemn zionism, a person who does condemn zionism may be prudent to point out at the same time they also condemn the dominant political factions of Palistine, lest they are deemed an anti semite by some people. But, to avoid that prejudice may be as futile as a white person condemning blm and also condemning white nationalism. They will still often be called racist by people who support blm.
And there is also the fact that what is often deemed “anti semetic” by people who wish to express condemnation of the behavior and views of dominant Palestinian factions is actually animosity that is entirely directed at people who identify as religious Jews, and not people who are “racially” Jewish. If a person born into Judaism were to convert to Islam, the Muslims who have a hatred toward Jews may not have hatred toward that person. Hatred directed at Jews because of their religion is not racism, just as hatred directed at Muslims is not racism, just as hatred directed at atheists is not racism.
Hatred toward people because of their ideology while often immoral, is not *always* immoral, while hatred toward people because of their race is always immoral. Hatred toward Nazis because of their ideology is a favorite pastime these days, but hatred toward Nazis because of their race is immoral. People do not typically assume a hatred toward Nazis is sufficient evidence of hatred toward Germans though. It is quite common though to assume a contempt toward Zionism is sufficient evidence of hatred toward ethnic Jews — regardless of those Jews’ ideology. That is a type of hypocrisy.
Such conflation between animosity toward ideology and animosity toward race is quite common among proponents of some ideologies who want to shield their ideology from criticism though. That is both intellectually and morally bankrupt.
BLM and people who support BLM for example, do it regularly. People think because their ideology has included the word “black” in it, any criticism of it is therefore racist against black people. Its stupid.
If someone thinks the character of Jehovah in the Torah is evil and only worthy of condemnation and not worship -- do you consider that criticism, or hate?