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Evans W's avatar

If there's any justice in the world, Anthony Fauci will go down in history as a modern day Josef Mengele. His history for pushing AZT during the AIDS crisis that killed untold thousands, and now his involvement with COVID (both creation & treatment) is horribly unbelievable. I'm sure many in Nazi Germany saw Mengele as a hero to their nation, just as the COVID cultist view Fauci. God help us all if this guy isn't exposed more widely. RFK Jr.'s book "The Real Anthony Fauci" is a good place to start if you've not done any homework on Fauci's past and his cozy relationships with the Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex. Thank you David Zweig & TFP for having the courage to publish this story. No question you will feel some heat over it.

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Natalia L.'s avatar

There was a pseudo scientist Trofim Lysenko in the USSR who destroyed number of highly qualified biologists and genetics. His methods had caused famine first in Russia 1930s, then in China in the 1950s. While Fauci was dominating the scene. I constantly though of his resemblance to Lysenko.

Check out his pictures. These two men even look the same. 😨

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko

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Scott D's avatar

When AZT came to market, it was all there was. Kind of like chemotherapy--makes some people worse, helps others. Don't forget AIDS was a fatal disease at the time so if there was something that gave you a 50/50 chance it was still better than the alternative. Many people who originally took AZT managed to hang on until better drugs came along and are still around today.

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Dano  Nerka's avatar

DOJ? DOJ?? Where are you ? Is serially lying to Congress and all the other potential violations described here sufficieint for indictments?

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Evans W's avatar

DOJ is DOA.

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Alan Gore's avatar

Although this article is about the lab leak origin hypothesis, I absolutely KNEW it would bring out the anti vax cultists.

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Evans W's avatar

Facebook called.....apparently they are missing you over there.

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Chris Coffman's avatar

Fauci is the direct heir of the CIA’s first operation after being founded in 1947. Operation Paperclip rounded up the infamous Nazi and Japanese biowarfare scientists--who would have been hanged if the official US Government had taken them into custody--had set them up in a new US Army biowarfare laboratory at Fort Dietrich. Ironically, Mengele was a pseudo-scientist and would have been worthless at Fort Dietrich.

The American intelligence community is the overall sponsor and funder of gain of function research and mRNA “vaccine” development channeling through Fauci, NIH etc.

You know the old conundrum about the chicken and the egg? Which came first, the COVID virus or the mRNA “vaccines”? The answer: the NSA / CIA developed them both simultaneously. The mRNA "vaccines" were developed at Fauci's NIH. The purpose of the "Fast and Furious" process was to parcel out the NIH-developed mRNA "vaccines" to the Pharma companies--Pfizer, etc--so the public companies could attach their brands to the "vaccines" to be used for the NIH-funded COVID virus.

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Linda Runs's avatar

It's even worse than that. You are addressing the issues with the shots - there are thousands of doctors and scientists who used early treatment to much success who were detroyed, fired, censored and could not continue to save people. These cheap and effective remedies were made scarce or were bared from hospitals and other healthcare facitlities. The truth is coming out that COVID 19, once out of the bag, could have been stopped. The response - no early treatments, the jab, lockdowns etc killed more people than the disease.

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Chris Coffman's avatar

You're right--and that shows the role of CIA. The media has been infiltrated by CIA for decades. I was hired at Time, Inc. in 1982 an ex-CIA officer then working at Time Life. In the last couple of decades the control of CIA over the media has become almost total as their traditional business model collapsed and they (and their journalists) became desperate for funding.

The totally coordinated propaganda messaging--actually beginning in the criminal subversion of the Trump Administration--and ramping up to deafening, global levels during COVID, is the signature of the intelligence community's control over the permanent US Government and huge client corporations in the media, Pharma, healthcare, the university system, what's left of the scientific research community, and the so-called "Defense Contractor" industries.

CIA's ability to exalt (Tony Fauci and his myriads of supporters, Rachel Maddow, etc.) and destroy (the many independent doctors, scientists and medical personnel) is being exercised in plain sight.

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Joe Horton's avatar

Yes to the Mengele comparison, but even more closely to Goebbels, master of deception and deflection. In my mind, he was the most demonic member of the reich. Calling him evil is like calling a dwarf short.

I’d say that Fauci and Collins ultimately affected more lives than even Goebbels did. If they had gotten away with it, the world would look very different now, and you-know-who would be king. Fortunately, they didn’t quite pull it off.

There is a silver lining here: forewarned is forearmed. We know who to trust—and who to ignore—next time. As sure as God made little green apples, there will be a next time.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Well said.

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Brian Katz's avatar

RFK Jr.‘s book was excellent.

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Dave's avatar

Fauci is a horrible person, but the comparison to Dr. Mengele is inappropriate.

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Evans W's avatar

We’ll see Dave. I wouldn’t make that declaration quite yet. We’re still very early in the post Covid timeline. Just sayin.....

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Interesting that you mention Mengele. If the holocaust is the crime if the 20th Century, then how is the pandemic not the crime of the 21st? Millions dead, millions of lives ruined and businesses destroyed. Society upended. The difference? We had Nurenburg and the trials of the Japanese war criminals. But now, neither China nor those who enabled and covered up for the fiends in Beijing are being held to account. I think we know why.

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Brammymiami's avatar

RFK Jr not JFK Jr?

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Evans W's avatar

Corrected......Thx for the catch and have a great day!

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Anthony's avatar

Fuaci was also critical in pushing long term lockdowns, which had no supporting scientific evidence for efficacy and have now been demonstrated to have had little to no benefits at a cost of trillion of dollars and enormous health damages.

He also called the mRNA shots "safe and effective" despite death being a proven side effect, and despite their failure to create lasting immunity.

"Follow the science" means "obey your federal authorities even when they are corrupt, lying, harming hundreds of millions and benefitting personally from it."

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Timothy Kaluhiokalani's avatar

"Fuaci was also critical in pushing long term lockdowns"

What I find amazing is that so many people blindly followed Fauci's edicts, especially the lockdowns. The Covid at-risk cohorts were identified early on and could have been isolated as with previous pandemics, yet most government officials chose the authoritarian approach espoused by China, the most virulent of authoritarian regimes. There were those trying to point out the folly of lockdowns and the terrible price that would result but as some of us witnessed in real time, the aspersions, censorship and even threat of termination for not complying were immediate.

Fauci no doubt deserves much of the blame for the damage wrought by his arrogant edicts, but the hottest places in Hell will be reserved for the politicians and bureaucrats that carried them out. Either they were ignorant fools or more likely, vile opportunists that used them to further empower themselves

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CY's avatar

It’s simple: For those on “the left” whose brains have been warped by partisan politics and tribalism — far too many — Trump is the ultimate villain, so anyone who opposes him must be a hero. Ergo, the worship of Fauci, which is, of course, as absurd and cringeworthy as idolizing Trump.

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Rodo549's avatar

The left is addicted to panic porn. It goes far beyond CoVid but they reveled in the disease.

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L.K. Collins's avatar

Comparing the Covid-19 pandemic in the USA to the illness' impact on Chinese society leads to few if any, useful lessons...

Take an average American, you know, that guy or gal from middle America that works in light industry or consumer-facing sales, and plunk him down in the middle of Manhattan in rush hour.

He will experience millions of people going about their business of going home to their three-bedroom semi-detached on a quarter of an acre of land in one of the outlying communities of suburbia. It will appear as an organized chaos that is barely able to handle the flow. His life, indeed his aim in life, is the quiet isolation of the attainment of middle-class standards.

Now take our dude or dudette and plunk them down in Peking during rush hour. They will experience a similarly organized chaos, moving tens of millions of people going home to a meager plot of land or fourth-floor walk-up with washing lines strung between the buildings, and a vibrant mass of people going about their lives with determination if not gusto.

A pandemic in China certainly would require a different response than in the United States. A comparison for study might well be appropriate, but pinning a value judgment on either is neither logical nor scientific.

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Linda Runs's avatar

I am more disturbed by how many people were willing to treat people who had questions about the shots as evil and idiots. My workplace forced us to take the shot to come back to work. We had a big presentation and at the Q&A, many of my co-workers aske how could they convince their friends and family to take the shot, as if they were idiots.

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T247's avatar

The US government knew that they couldn’t mandate US citizens had to take the shot. I am more disturbed by the companies that did the US governments bidding and forced people to get the shot. We still don’t know what kind of pressure was put on them to do this.

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Big Noise's avatar

Save a spot for incurious journalists.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

If there's any "justice," Fauci will be hanged. Publicly and with great fanfare. And all his worshippers and admirers will be called to account for their treachery.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

“If there's any justice in the world, Anthony Fauci will go down in history as a modern day Josef Mengele”

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LOL justice. Did you just get here? Are you the alien they found 9 minutes after the last piece of negative Biden news?

When Democrats redo Mt. Rushmore it will be Fauci, that one transvestite admiral guy, and Peter Strzok.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

There are four on Mt. Rushmore.

You left off George Floyd?

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Good one.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

Oh yeah, or Jacob Blake (D) maybe.

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Unsaint Finbar's avatar

No, given that the Chinese would be paying for it, I think they would want Generalissimo Mao up there.

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Rodo549's avatar

My favorite quote from Mao -- "There is chaos under the heavens, the situation is excellent." I think he would look at the west right now and be quite pleased.

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Sierras23's avatar

Horrifyingly true

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Bruce Miller's avatar

People wearing T shirts with a picture of a fiend with the blood of 60 million on his hands. How sick is that? Right up there with Fauci worship. And still many commenting here can't see the depravity of that malevolent midget.

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Sierras23's avatar

There is a long-time restaurant in Venice, CA called, unbelievably, Mao's Kitchen, complete with his CC logo. How stupid can people be? How lacking in any moral awareness??

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

They wear that shirt when their Che Guevera is in the wash.

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MDM 2.0's avatar

knowing some of them folks with Che Guevera shirts....they ain't never heard cleanliness is next to godliness

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NCMaureen's avatar

I am reading a biography of Mao, by Jung Chang. Definition of a sociopath. He used torture to cow his own people into fear and submission. I have to put the book down for a while. So disturbing. Yet people consider him a great man.

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Sierras23's avatar

Hi Maureen, I read another excellent one about China and Mao's horrors: "Wild Swans:Three Daughters of China". It is a memoir by Jung Chang about her life in CC during the 60's and 70's, and her mother's and grandmother's lives there throughout the 20th century. A first-person account of the atrocities committed by Mao. I recommend it often because most Americans have no idea of the reality of the Chinese Communist Revolution.

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NCMaureen's avatar

Yes, read it. Jaw dropping.

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Ellen Gemma's avatar

Which people?? I have a guess but wonder who you’re suggesting.

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jen segal's avatar

I’m also reading this biography and am amazed at the level of intense involvement Russia had in China. Excellent read. I previously read Three Swans (same author) for a look at Mao from the people’s side. What an evil, sadistic man.

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Sierras23's avatar

Yes! Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China. I recommend it often.

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bestuvall's avatar

yup three swans was terrific and frightening but no matter how much people who have broken away and escaped tyranny. others who are free just don't buy it

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jen segal's avatar

Failure of imagination or willful blindness?

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Madjack's avatar

Don’t forget torturing Beagle puppies. Sick man

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Nuance&context's avatar

There needs to be more focus on his cruel lab experiments that are also ongoing.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

1000% agree with this post! I'm glad you mentioned the Josef Mengele reference. What majority of American's fail to realize is that Hitler used the same propaganda techniques that are being used on us this day:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-art-of-theoretical-science

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Mengele escaped on a rat line from Europe to South America. Fauci escaped in a rat line from the public to private sector. Shame on Georgetown for hiring him and giving him more blood money on top of his 400k/year government pension. Shame on the CDC and NIAID for hiring replacements that are intersectional versions of Fauci who are just as deep in the “science” cult.

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Mike R.'s avatar

A fellow Substack subscriber is recommending a new Substack N.S. Lyons/THE UPHEAVAL report on the shared interest merger of the Chinese and American financial aristocracy. So am I.

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bestuvall's avatar

shame on any student that would walk minot a classroom where he was present

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Pemulis_DMZ's avatar

It's darkly ironic that the Left has fallen so in love with using the term "history will judge" because the thing they fail to understand is that real historical perspective has no bias or prejudice that blinds one to their own fallibitily. Once humanity is far enough removed from our present time, I believe the collective insanity and the corruption, vanity, and incompetency of our current leaders will be fully recognized, if anything in an almost humorour way. People will wonder how the hell a nation of over 300 million could tolerate such naked corruption in the same way we wonder about self-deciept rampant in the Soviet Union.

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Scuba Cat's avatar

I'm married to an historian and the phrase "the right side of history" makes him want to chew glass.

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LovingMother's avatar

Yes, and the same goes for the Trans Religion's "care" and "affirmation" of children, teens and young adults promoted at the highest levels of our government including HHS director first female Admiral Levine & promulgated through our schools. This in the face of exposes that studies showing so called "affirmative care" are faulty/based on low quality evidence and promoted by activists. And, in the face of Europe and the UK doing a 180 on the subject. Levine and the administration will not be able to say that they "did not know".

The future will say, wait, we were mutilating children in the name of a postmodern cult idea that you are "born" into a "correct" or "incorrect" body? We literally taught that to kids in schools k - 12? Gender Identity was coined by the depraved Dr. John Money who experimented on and abused a pair of twin boys who each committed suicide as adults. I highly recomment Dr. Grossman's new book "Lost in Trans Nation". And, since Mengele has come up: https://pitt.substack.com/p/echoes-of-eugenics-what-the-doctors

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Kate Cahill's avatar

thank you for sharing that wonderful (and chilling) article on the relationship w/ the eugenics movement and the current gender affirming "care". It puts things into perspective! Follow the money!

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LovingMother's avatar

You are welcome. Thank you for reading it, Kate. We never seem to remember what has gone before.

Yes, follow the money:

"U.S. Sex Reassignment Surgery Market Size, Share & Trends Analysis Report By Gender Transition (Male To Female, Female To Male), And Segment Forecasts, 2022 - 2030"

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market

Then as now, we have over trust in "experts". Industrialization and modern medicine/doctors enabled the Holocaust. Currently we have an atrocity with "trans" enabled by modern medicine/pharma/synthetic sex hormones in search of a market + politics. Just because we can experiment in this way does not mean we should - on healthy humans. We are not just talking about a handful of middle aged men - but the kids indoctrinated at school.

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Kate Cahill's avatar

I know! We ignore history, and I fear the the "kids" who are under 40 or 50 really have zero clue about history. It's so hard to convey any info to them!

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Lynne Morris's avatar

I fear the goal, PDMZ, is to control history. If successful there will be no authentic history.

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Marie Finamore's avatar

I surely hope so. those of us who've seen it since the beginning would love to be vindicated within our lifetimes. too bad we can't restore life to all those who were physically or mentally damaged, or outright lost their lives, to these self-serving morons.. the damage they have wrought is incalculable.

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The Shadowbanned's avatar

You have a very hopeful vision for the future. And, heck, we all need a bit of hope now and then. But history is written by the winners, and - especially in academia - progressivism is the winner.

Look at how China is rewriting not only is history (Tienanmen Square being the obvious example), but the history of the world (for example, the Chinese bible now has Jesus stoning the adulterer to death). Or, closer to home, look at how the stories of the founding fathers of America have been rewritten in the last 15-25 years.

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Just an observer's avatar

So well said. Unfortunately, that self-deceit seems to return to 150 million of Russian citizens. If only history always moved forward! But no; it’s movement is more complex- it moves in loops or along a spiral. Here is a funny example from the Russian history. Volgograd was named Stalingrad in 1925 to honor the dictator. It was renamed Volgograd in 1961 as a part of de-Stalinization process. In 2023, they polled the residents if they would like to rename it back to Stalingrad. More than half said no, but mostly because it was expensive. Only 7 % said so because of the negative attitude towards Stalin. BTW, Putin was willing to rename it if the residents voted for it. History is a tricky thing and is being re-written every time new forces come to power IMO.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Fauci said, "We generally always trust the grantee to do what they say.”

What naive asshole! Why in the world would we fund anything in China. China is a economic giant whose economy is overtaking ours. If the Chinese want something funded, let them fund it themselves.

"We generally always trust the grantee to do what they say.” The only thing we can trust the Chinese to do is to try and destroy the US. They are set on world domination. Fauci and his Democrat/Socialist pals have to know this. A Chinese biolab has been discovered in California:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-illegal-chinese-bio-lab-in-california-is-worse-than-you-think/ar-AA1eNHAV

Giving them money to help the Chinese to destroy us is treason and should be treated as such! Is it safe to say the Dem/Soc Party is the party of treason?

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Sally Sue's avatar

I agree. This is mind-blowing. Why on earth would we use taxpayer money to fund terrorist Bioweapons to destroy the US? Because that’s basically what this is.

This is akin to giving “an Iranian research team” money to fund nuclear weapons research.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Good analogy.

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GY&CW's avatar

It's naive to think that he is a "naive" asshole.

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Hulverhead's avatar

whatever he is , he has to look in the mirror every day and see that garden troll face looking back that is punishment enough . He knows what he has done and not just with covid but aids as well

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Cynthia Albert's avatar

I kind of wonder if Fauci was funding the Wuhan Lab to do gain of function research because it could be done there with little oversight. Fauci is a direct descendant of the Nazi scientists in the concentration camps. He should be treated the same way they were treated.

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SW's avatar

On the Netflix series Explained, season two, episode 4 is The Next Pandemic starring Peter Dazak, Bill Gates and other assorted shills. It's release date was November 7, 2019 -- almost 4 months BEFORE a pandemic was declared in the US. It would have had to taken at least 6 to 8 months prior to that to actually make the segment.

Peter Dazak of EcoHealth Alliance amazingly prophesied that a pandemic would start in a Chinese wet market! It's been taken down ("expired") even though the other episodes remain. I wish this was still available so everyone could see it.

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Jeremy Bounce Rumblethud's avatar

That a serious disease would arise from a Chinese wet market was predicted long before covid in several books on zoonoses. Those hellish places are perfect petri dishes, thousands of malnourished, terribly stressed animals of many species from all over Asia piled on top of each other, raining down shit and piss containing thousands of pathogens on species never normally exposed to them. While I tend toward lab leak due to the extraordinary coincidence that covid was first detected so close to one of the few labs working on it, epidemiologists and disease ecologists were primed to expect spillover to occur in a Chinese wildlife market.

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Alan Gore's avatar

And the reason why China is winning is it supports science, and swiftly applies the technologies that science makes possible. Now that anti-science sentiment has spread to both our parties, our own future will be treating our diseases with RFK's herbs and tinctures.

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Hulverhead's avatar

useful idiot at the time once no longer needed he is fed to the wolves

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Fauci is hardly naive. He is a malevolent, self-aggrandizing traitor.

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L.K. Collins's avatar

Two and a half million people (or more) would heartily agree with you.

Unfortunately, they are no longer living and are no longer able to comment.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

You are right. I used the wrong word.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Well, we can't all be perfect......lol

This entire thread has me enraged. People are either covering for Fauci or calling him stupid. Nonsense. This is a clear case of corruption, malfeasance and likely outright treason. Fauci has made millions. Proving, as Harington observed - "if treason doth prosper, none dare call it treason."

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Pat Robinson's avatar

Yes

See above

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Michael Frankel's avatar

Bruce, spot on regarding people using the stupidity defense. Never ever underestimate anyone who works in Washington. And never accept things at face value. And when someone makes clear what they intend or want to do, believe them.

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Gretchen Grace's avatar

I, too am enraged and confounded as to how more people aren’t. I’m sharing this article everywhere I can

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Kevin M.'s avatar

Totally agree.. similar to the "experts" who wrote the letter regarding the Hunter Biden laptop being Russian disinformation, Fauci KNOWINGLY steered people away from the lab leak theory (and "steered" would be an understatement... more like ostracized those who even suggested the lab leak was possible) and worse than the Biden laptop experts, profited IMMENSELY from these lies (reminder: and as the left likes to remind us, has killed OVER ONE MILLION AMERICANS to date) .... he should spend the years he has left in a jail cell.... fraud? YEP.... and I guess he can't be charged with murder, but he was complicit in unleashing COVID to the world through his funding of WIV. So can we at least get 1 million counts of manslaughter?

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Finally...someone gets it. This isn't just some titillating drama and exposure of Fauci's lies. It is about malfeasance in office, lying to Congress, deceiving an entire nation, profiting from illicit activities and perhaps even treason And let's not forget that the entire media swooned for this wretch and hung on his every word.

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L.K. Collins's avatar

I can't see a treason charge as being sustainable, nor would corruption fit the facts as known today.

Two-and-a-half million counts of willful negligence and involuntary manslaughter ought to be an appropriate charge.

However, we have as our Attorney General a man who has no honor and who will refuse to do the obvious and the necessary.

I sincerely hope that Merrick Garland proves me wrong, but I'll file this under "Ain't Gonna Happen" until HE proves me wrong.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Treason is giving aid and comfort to our enemies. China is our enemy. Let's at least do a thorough investigation for treason and corruption. And let the chips fall......Of Fauci, Collins, Daszak,- the entire corrupt gang.

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L.K. Collins's avatar

The law holds that to be treasonous, the act must be against our enemies and that the act be witnessed by two individuals.

The latter element would be easier to prove, but the act being "seen" by two individuals does present some evidentiary problems.

The first element of a treasonous act must connection to a legitimate declaration that a foreign actor is an enemy. Translation? Congress has to make a declaration of war.

I would certainly be fine with charging the lot with treason, but with the lack of formal recognition of an "enemy", a charge of treason isn't going anywhere.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

We weren't technically "at war" with the USSR but the Rosenbergs were correctly and justifiably executed for betraying their country to our enemies. Requiring an actual war would gut the meaning of "enemies" and render the definition of treason nugatory and only extant in wartime. Which as you may recall, Congress has refused to declare since WW II. John Marshall was wrong, again, No surprise there.

Further, the Constitution doesn't require that the crime be witnessed but requires the testimony of two witnesses. Those witnesses could simply verify that money was steered to the Wuhan lab. And that Fauci lied about it. If colluding with the Chinese to develop a virus that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, destroyed the lives and businesses of hundreds of thousands more and looted our treasure isn't treason, then what would you call it?

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L.K. Collins's avatar

Winston Churchill, the living embodiment of the Allies, had declared Russia an enemy of the West in 1946 with his Iron Curtain speech. They were caught in the "Red Scare" mood raging through America at the time.

The Rosenberg case was a black eye for the American system of justice. They were railroaded with shoddy testimony at trial and politically biased appeal rulings.

Had the prosecution taken its time, something that the national mood would not allow, and built its case methodically--the case was there to be made--their presentation would not have been so emblematic of a rush to judgment.

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Timothy G McKenna's avatar

Always gotta go straight to Woodward and Bernstein’s advice from Deep Throat: “Follow the money”.

I don’t want to believe that Fauci is a bad guy, but I keep harping back on the question of how do public servants amass great wealth in so many cases?

Short of insisting that they take an oath of poverty along with the office and live monastic lives in cells, I don’t know how to eliminate the power of money from governing - but it would help if there was a law about transparency or placing individual officeholders’ wealth in a publicly run blind trust while in office. It would be nice if people in government only did as well as their communities and the country did (but where’s the fun in that?).

Back to my corn flakes, folks…

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Thoughtful Reader's avatar

There’s a hell of a distance between a vow of poverty and the unchecked power to enrich oneself and others with hundreds of millions of (our) dollars.

It’s not perfect by any means, but there is a significant body of regulation and restriction on *private* profiteering - insider trading is actually sometimes prosecuted, etc. Not to mention that companies have incentives to remove people who are defrauding them.

None of that is true at the public slop trough. It’s” nobody’s money “ - a sentiment that just led to the stunning down-rating of the entire country’s credit grade. There’s no oversight - quite the reverse - they’re all lapping at the giant cup of OUR money. Using our money to enrich themselves and crush anyone who dares dissent.

Meanwhile, the left, desperate to be included in the cool kids club, carry water for these monsters. Pathetic and weak, but determined to use whatever power they have to destroy anything they encounter. They don’t have the intelligence or the grit to actually build anything (plus, their “betters” wouldn’t allow it.)

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Timothy G McKenna's avatar

YUP! And then there's the accountability dead zone - once these guys get elected (or appointed) to office, how do we know if they're any good at the job? I mean, the cliche (now) is that Congress is regularly at an approval rating of 17% or something, but reelection rates of incumbents is around 99%.

How does Anthony Fauci or any public sector folks survive in a "meat grinder" for 40 years and amass such power?

Answer (I think) - it's NOT a meat grinder - people just get on the public dole, figure out how to get by and, after getting seniority by blending into the woodwork, figure out how to get control of the funding of their department and use that to their advantage. Not everyone (I'm related to some very serious, great public servants), but more than enough to ruin things.

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L.K. Collins's avatar

Fauci was a ranking member of the Civil Service and protected by provisions within the Civil Service Code that makes removal for any reason virtually impossible.

More time in the barrel gave Fauci more protection and greater remuneration.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

It would help more if the end of a rope was the price of their corruption and treachery.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Of course he is a bad guy. A very bad guy. He played God, not

Science, God, with the lives of billions of humans. The origin of the virus is just the tip of the iceberg too. Consider the ridicule of therapeutic treatments as opposed to thevaccine, vaccine, vaccine 24/7 mantra. For something that is not a vaccine. It is at best a shot. We have been played. Deliberately played. The odious little gnome and his ilk are Trump's greatest failure.

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T247's avatar

Fauci led the ridicule of therapeutic treatments to suppress any use or study of Ivermectin, etc. to force the government into the untenable position that allowed Pfizer/Moderna to get the emergency use approval for the Covid shots. According to law, the emergency use approval could not have happened if there was a viable alternative available. One more shitty and evil thing that Fauci helped do.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

I am aware. But I would not use the word necessary. The idiot class will take that to mean it was justified. ;)

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T247's avatar

Agree - just made an edit

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Bruce Miller's avatar

He wasn't Trump's creation. Trump inherited him along with Collins, Birx and the rest of the gang of idiots and thieves. And he was touted by the establishment as a genius in the field of epidemiology I don't blame Trump for him. I blame Trump for not going after the ChiComs hard enough. But he was a voice in the wilderness there, too.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

You are of course correct. That was Trump's management style a. nd for the most part was highly successful. But he got played along with the rest of us. But the rest of us were not in charge. He was. Valuable lessons.

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LonesomePolecat's avatar

Corn Flakes, how boring, unless you are using tequila instead of milk.

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Celia M Paddock's avatar

Personally, I prefer bacon and toast.

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Michael Frankel's avatar

The " history will judge" notion now means the progressive historians will judge and those who do not nod and go along will be deemed nonhistorians...or worse. What are the odds these days that in 20 years there will be many ,or any, PHDs issued to what we have traditionally thought of as real historians who do not try to rewrite the events of the past for political or ideological purposes. Fauci was doing just that in the realm of science

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CY's avatar

History is “problematic.”

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Pacificus's avatar

Christopher, if I may: It is not History that is "problematic"--it is the Historians who write it, at least this current crop.

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Mike R.'s avatar

The willingness to bald face lie, (about anything and everything), as part of what seems to be some sort of D.C./K Street/MSM "herd management" theory, and then keep on distorting the reality no matter what actual evidence presents itself, while at the same time sweeping the nightmare consequences of their ineptitude under the carpet, no accountability forthcoming, defines the DNC/CCP/EU Davos juggernaut. That's pathology not politics.

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Pacificus's avatar

Michael, the dearth of real historians that you envisage is already here. The vast majority of "historians" practicing today are little more than shills for one particular ideological tendency or another. I'm sure Fauci will have a legion of such shills covering his tracks in the years and decades to come.

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doug deeper's avatar

Pacificus, there is only ONE ideology virtually all historians follow, woke ideology, thus we have woke history. The number of anti-woke historians could not cause a ripple of resistance. Insinuating that there is a powerful counter ideology is silly on its face. Two minutes in academia would validate this.

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Pacificus's avatar

doug, while I did not say or even insinuate that there ia "powerful counter ideology" to the Woke Mind Virus/History Edition at work in academia (that's your term), there is most definitely at least "a ripple" of opposition to the new dominant ideology. Witness the public objection in 2019 of Gordon Wood, James McPherson, Victoria Bynum and James Oakes- prominent historians all--to the absurdities of The 1619 Project. And my sense is that many other history scholars privately agree but are afraid to say so publicly. So there is at least some opposition to what is happening to the profession.

Will this "ripple" turn into a wave large enough to change the current dystopian status quo? Hard to say, but it certainly is not "silly" to think that this might come to pass, in time.

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doug deeper's avatar

I apologize for my clumsy comment. I would love for there to be a real resistance with some power to offset the woke ideology that has swept academia and all our institutions. You are right it is not "silly" to think this might happen at some point in the future. My objection to your comment was one I have with many who underestimate the "woke" problem. You certainly implied that there is more than one ideology in play, and that is simply not the case among historians and academics in general. One only has to read in TFP about all the academics who have attempted to stand up to wokism, and lost their careers. If wokism is ever to be defeated, the battle to dethrone it must not be diluted by thinking there is more than one ideology causing the problems we have today. The MAGA movement has near zero power at the institutional level of our societies.

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Matthew Corson-Finnerty's avatar

Next TFP debate: Lab Leak

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KTonCapeCod's avatar

Really? I vote 2020 election fraud!

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L.K. Collins's avatar

Certainly, there is a growing amount of irregularities coming to light, any one of which could have changed the outcome of the election. The disturbing part is that the "irregularities" have favored one party more heavily, beyond what random outcomes would suggest.

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mainestream's avatar

“History will judge“ is a very cynical remark from the Left that is meant to imply that certain people possess the intelligence to make judgments for our society while their opponents do not. You can see it in pernicious ways, like the splitting of White voters into college and non-college educated. We do not do that for Black voters, as an example. The elite class, and we need to say this, is seeking to discredit any segments of society that stand in the way of top down control. It permeates a great deal of policy.

As Solzhenitsyn wrote, and we need to be aware of it, each human being can be good or evil. Believing that only your enemies are evil is an act of self deception.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Yeah...also it's always the "White working class" that everyone obsesses over every election cycle. Never hear about the "Black working class, nonwhite working class, etc."

Why should the "white working class" get all the attention?

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Timothy Kaluhiokalani's avatar

The better question to ask is, why progressives ignore what the nonwhite working class is saying.

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/the-democrats-nonwhite-working-class-1dc

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Comprof2.0's avatar

No. That's not the better question. Because the nonwhite working class doesn't, in large numbers, vote "progressive" anyway.

So your "progressives" boogeyman/Satanic Panic is nonsensical.

When backing a candidate, African-Americans, for example have to be exceptionally pragmatic.

1. Who do I want to vote for?

2. Now...is this also someone the white folks will vote for?

Which is why Bernie Sanders was stopped cold in South Carolina in 2020.

Obama deported more people than any other POTUS and was drone striking terrorists/enemies all over the world left and right....but he was a "black nationalists radical" because he made the mistake of saying, "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon" and saying cops who arrested a senior citizen at/in his own home "acted stupidly."

Btw, Loved your "speak, scream, tear down" quote, Timothy! Now, does that apply to everyone or "do some restrictions apply?" ;)

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Timothy Kaluhiokalani's avatar

"Never hear about the "Black working class, nonwhite working class, etc."

Obviously you forgot what your question was. The link disproves your assertion.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Lol. No, your little article from a janky blog disproves nothing.

All the talking heads/pundits on major TV news outlets, major newspapers, etc. constantly discuss, breakdown "college vs. non-college educated whites" and "working class whites" ad naseum during the election cycle.

Does your quote apply to everyone, Timothy?

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Timothy Kaluhiokalani's avatar

For decades black support for democrats was a given. Maybe that's why only "janky blogs" focus on them. How does it feel to be a foregone conclusion?

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Oh....moving the goal post, Timothy?

Yes, "white working class" ad naseum from every major news outlet (TV, print, etc.) every election cycle, even. big deal on the fake-news network Fox News.

Not forgone at all. GOP/MAGA is very active in attacking/erasing history. We seem to be on their mind. A LOT.

Sorry, just not interested in a political party full of Timothy Kaluhiokalanis with active hostility. So one option, for all those decades has proven to be clearly better.

Why won't you answer my question about your quote, Timothy? I'd really like to use it sometime.

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L.K. Collins's avatar

Why? Because they can be addressed as a block of voters significant enough to make a difference in elections.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Nah. It's because the same way there was no distinction between M/F for black Americans (i.e. Sojurner Truth, "Ain't I Woman?"), for the majority of U.S. history, there's also really no appreciation/acknowledgement of class distinctions within the Afrrican-American community. They're all unemployed, no familes and nursing gunshot wounds, etc.

"White working class" are also a block of voters significant enough to make a difference in an election, btw.

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L.K. Collins's avatar

Your first statement, sir, is bullshit.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Lol. Well, guess Sojurner Truth was wrong when adressing the suffrage movement/ 1st wave feminism in America and the complete lack of inclusion of black women by Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, etc.

But please feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.

There's a reason black children were not conisdered "out of bounds" for attack during the Civil Rights Movement, the electric-chair execution of 14 yr old. George Stinney, etc. LK :)

No men, no women, no adults, no young, no old, no children...

"Niggers."

So, sorry. My first statement is 100% accurate.

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Bill Cribben's avatar

Your point about black voters is excellent. No matter how you look at the distinction is bare naked racist.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

Yeah, right?

Every election class, obsession with "the white working class voter " - never hear anything about "non-white working class voters."

The media is completely focused on just that one group.

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Jeremy Bounce Rumblethud's avatar

The white working class is the largest demographic in the US and has largely switched allegiance from the Dems to the Repubs in recent decades. It gets a lot of attention because it is so important in determining national elections.

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Comprof2.0's avatar

No, sorry, Jeremy...

There are many on here who telling me that the "black/nonwhite working class" are being discussed just as much....and furthermore, the reason there is no discussion about the different class leves among nonwhite/black voters, is because "the blacks" are the ones who are determining national elections.

So....take it up with them, Jeremy.

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Pemulis_DMZ's avatar

Well said. It's also just plain old bullying, meant to apply social pressure to get people on the right side of the firing squad before it's too late

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