Tara, congratulations on waking up, but I think it's a little disingenuous to blame this on radicalism that emerged from ivy league schools.
This tyranny we're all experiencing started with progressives, specifically progressive journalists and influencers.
Basically, when anyone questioned the progressive worldview, or pushed back against the "diversity" crammed down our throats, we were labeled bigots. That bullying was very effective, and the snowball that followed was the inevitable end result.
Where do you think those progressive journalists and influencers went to school? Even if they didn't attend Ivy League, they attended schools that emulated Ivy League.
"This tyranny we're all experiencing started with progressives, specifically progressive journalists and influencers."
The thing is, where do you think they all went to school and got their journalism degrees? Batya Ungar-Sargon talks about that, about how one begot the other.
I think they do that because revolutions work really well as a disguise. This is why you have so many "feminists" who only love feminism when it gives them a chance to knock over someone who's thinner and prettier than they are, and why so many Republican family-values politicians get caught trying to cadge sex out of guys in men's rooms. A movement is a great place to hide if you're exactly the opposite of what it says it's about. It's an ideological version of regulatory capture.
Dave, I’ll weigh in a little differently. While I agree with some criticism of the journalists who walk away from their prior LEFT side bastions, I’m not inclined to punish my new allies. They are coming over - maybe not en-mass yet but enough for Bari to acknowledge with a “welcome to the new mainstream”.
Besides that, I see the real seed of most of this as the Universities, and they’re taking very little blame or corrective actions. The media “elites” drank too much of the Kool-Aid, even if it was with honest intent.
I would ask some of them to truly talk to us and find out why we saw this all so much sooner than they. I’ll be happy to check out Tara’s substack and I have a hunch that I’ll be moved to subscribe, though I agree that I’m not gonna be able to subscribe to much more. That might get solved if some start to congeal into big enough group(s) to convince me to cancel my WSJ and just come here.
I don't want to punish anyone, and I despise groveling apologies, but it would be nice if people who went too far would at least own it.
Everyone with even the most basic intellectual curiosity understands the dangers of extremism, even if it's well-intentioned.
Also, campus radicalism is decades old, so I don't think there's a direct link, necessarily. I think there is a direct link to the erosion of ethics in journalistic standards, though.
I agree. The assertion that this all came out of nowhere over a period of about 18 months is absurd. Most of these stunning and brave "new MSM" warriors (for example, I would exclude Greenwald from my critique) only started bolting when the bell started ringing for them and the grass looked greener on the other side. Prior to that, they were more than happy to nurture, support, celebrate and suckle the beast that sustained them, until it inevitably turned on them.
Tara, congratulations on waking up, but I think it's a little disingenuous to blame this on radicalism that emerged from ivy league schools.
This tyranny we're all experiencing started with progressives, specifically progressive journalists and influencers.
Basically, when anyone questioned the progressive worldview, or pushed back against the "diversity" crammed down our throats, we were labeled bigots. That bullying was very effective, and the snowball that followed was the inevitable end result.
Where do you think those progressive journalists and influencers went to school? Even if they didn't attend Ivy League, they attended schools that emulated Ivy League.
"This tyranny we're all experiencing started with progressives, specifically progressive journalists and influencers."
The thing is, where do you think they all went to school and got their journalism degrees? Batya Ungar-Sargon talks about that, about how one begot the other.
Could be. There is a symbiotic relationship going on, but college didn't turn me into a radical.
Somewhat related, I just read a pertinent quote:
"Revolutions tend to turn on their makers, and now it was the Jacobins' turn to face the terror they unleashed.
I think they do that because revolutions work really well as a disguise. This is why you have so many "feminists" who only love feminism when it gives them a chance to knock over someone who's thinner and prettier than they are, and why so many Republican family-values politicians get caught trying to cadge sex out of guys in men's rooms. A movement is a great place to hide if you're exactly the opposite of what it says it's about. It's an ideological version of regulatory capture.
Dave, I’ll weigh in a little differently. While I agree with some criticism of the journalists who walk away from their prior LEFT side bastions, I’m not inclined to punish my new allies. They are coming over - maybe not en-mass yet but enough for Bari to acknowledge with a “welcome to the new mainstream”.
Besides that, I see the real seed of most of this as the Universities, and they’re taking very little blame or corrective actions. The media “elites” drank too much of the Kool-Aid, even if it was with honest intent.
I would ask some of them to truly talk to us and find out why we saw this all so much sooner than they. I’ll be happy to check out Tara’s substack and I have a hunch that I’ll be moved to subscribe, though I agree that I’m not gonna be able to subscribe to much more. That might get solved if some start to congeal into big enough group(s) to convince me to cancel my WSJ and just come here.
Well said.
I don't want to punish anyone, and I despise groveling apologies, but it would be nice if people who went too far would at least own it.
Everyone with even the most basic intellectual curiosity understands the dangers of extremism, even if it's well-intentioned.
Also, campus radicalism is decades old, so I don't think there's a direct link, necessarily. I think there is a direct link to the erosion of ethics in journalistic standards, though.
I agree. The assertion that this all came out of nowhere over a period of about 18 months is absurd. Most of these stunning and brave "new MSM" warriors (for example, I would exclude Greenwald from my critique) only started bolting when the bell started ringing for them and the grass looked greener on the other side. Prior to that, they were more than happy to nurture, support, celebrate and suckle the beast that sustained them, until it inevitably turned on them.
I used to think it was great when the sharks inevitably turned on each other, but now I just want this dystopian nightmare to end.
And why would you exclude Greenwald?
He never changed horses.
He (w/ Taibbi) has been sticking his neck out on related matters, esp. RussiaGate, for at least 5 years.