Well, it took a while to get to, but it finally appeared: the required "equivalence disclosure" in every single one of these articles, whereas we are told solemnly that, yes, the Left has made mistakes, but the Right has made just as many. This apparently absolves these writers from putting the heat where it really belongs: the toxic, …
Well, it took a while to get to, but it finally appeared: the required "equivalence disclosure" in every single one of these articles, whereas we are told solemnly that, yes, the Left has made mistakes, but the Right has made just as many. This apparently absolves these writers from putting the heat where it really belongs: the toxic, grotesque, embrace of the Woke agenda that has infected every one of our institutions. No, the Right is NOT equally responsible for this societal collapse--it is almost exclusively a result of suicidal Progressive politics.
All this helpless hand-wringing is just fiddling while Rome burns. The emerging alarm by Leftist moderates had better lead to a change in voting patterns, plans, alliances, etc--or else.
The Right is just as complicit as the Left in making the mess we have although the form of their complicity is different. They didn’t advance Critical Race Theory or Marxism in our universities but in many places it happened with them in full control of governorships and state houses, they had the power to stop it, but refused to do anything. They just didn’t care. They still don’t care except to use these as wedge issues to shore up their dismal prospects in the 2022 elections.
I agree with you insomuch as the political right followed the same ineffective scripts (empty talk of "moral high ground" and not actually caring about the issues their constituents desperately cry out for) and has a sufficient number of cynical careerists as to not be interested in addressing real threats to the integrity of our culture.
I don't know that I'd call their 2022 prospects "dismal" by a long shot. There is a mounting backlash that seems obvious to me across much of the country that will surely make its way to the voting booth.
If you're talking about the wokeness crap only, then of course the far Left is responsible for that. No one is arguing to the contrary.
The article was not only about the ridiculous la-la-la-la-la Left response to Biden's massive failure with ending Afghanistan, but also our failure with Afghanistan in general. And to say that falls on the Left's shoulders is also ridiculous. Bush started the Afghan war, not anyone else. And it's always been the Right who is more hawkish in international affairs, not the Left.
Yes, it was stupid and arrogant of us to try and remake Afghanistan in our likeness. But that is an American arrogance, not a Left or Right one. Obama could have tried to end it sooner, true. But so could have Trump, or even Bush. Do you honestly think it would have mattered who sat in the Oval Office? Rebuilding a country from the ground up is big business, and tax-payer funded. If you think that's only a 'Left' problem, you are delusional.
If anything, when it comes to foreign regime changes and 'world' building', the Right has a far more illustrious résumé than the Left.
Female equality is what the state department advocated. It was Hillary Clinton's state department and the belief in DEI that pushed the war in Afghanistan further. Trump did put the motion to get out of Afghanistan despite the people around him. I don't support Trump but do believe the State Department and CIA created the mess.
You seem to like calling people delusional, or some variation on it. It makes me lose interest in engaging you to any meaningful degree.
I was not against the war itself. I was and am against the manner of its execution and ending. Nothing in my comment stated otherwise; I was agreeing with another poster that the comment that "well, the Right is bad on this also because someone somewhere doesn't want asylum for Afghani interpreters" is bullshit.
You simply jumped in on my response to someone else to call me delusional.
Please, continue explaining how bad the Right is. Maybe this time it'll sink in and I'll reconsider everything.
That's because while the article states 'wokeness' (for lack of a better word) as one of the problems with America (which it is), the author also talked about a lot of other factors regarding that issue. As well as quite a lot about Afghanistan in general, which is a complex issue.
But you threw out everything else and boiled it all down to wokeness, as if that is the only problem that matters. That's delusional.
I work at a University and I can tell you that this woke crap is scaring the shit out of me. It's like a religious cult, and it's extremely alarming how younger folks are embracing this.
But to say that is the only major problem with everything in America is disturbing to say the least. It's like you're yelling at your dog for chewing up all the sofa cushions, and completely ignoring the other 3 dogs tearing up the rest of the house.
For the second time, I think you're talking about someone else- perhaps the person I responded to.
I am not "boiling down" anything to wokeness. It is the least salient topic of the article and mainly seems to be part of a general grumbling. You seem bothered that Gordon Freeman is generally describing the toxic influence of "suicidal Progressive politics" as semantically identical to "woke." I think this is more of a problem with semantics than anything else.
I think the radical, progressive Left, at this present time- wokeness and otherwise- present a greater source of societal, economic, and existential danger to the continued health and survival of the Union than anything being done at the present time by the Right.
If you disagree with me- and I'm sure you strongly disagree with the previous statement- that's fine. But please stop repeating accusations that I'm being myopic. I'm not.
I get the sense that you identify as being on the Left and are reacting to a perceived attack in the general statement that "more of the problems are being caused by the radical Left than the Right and insincere whataboutism is tiresome."
You're right I was responding to Gordan Freeman. The similarity in names confused me, I apologize.
But then why did you say, "You simply jumped in on my response to someone else to call me delusional" if I hadn't even responded to you yet? I responded to Gordon, but you said I responded to you somehow.
To answer you question though, I consider myself a Progressive akin to FDR or even Sanders. This 'other' extreme Left that thinks everything and everyone is part of some binary power dynamic and therefore the world needs to burn, is indeed alarming. They are essentially anarchists disguised as paragons of virtue.
Are they the most pressing issue at this exact moment? Okay, there's merit to that. But the article itself is about the last 20 years of war in Afghanistan, and all the politics wrapped around that. Seeing as Obama was largely hand-tied for most of his Presidency (I'm not fond of him and his decisions either if that matters, his drone strikes alone are horrible), most of the 'Afghanistan question' then largely falls on conservatives. Republican's are the ones who really owned this war, not Democrats.
...with of obvious exception of Biden's insane debacle right now. But I don't consider Biden to be akin to that woke Left mob. He's an old party Dem who is trying to act a little more progressive in order to stay relevant, and too old of course. But he's not some Marxist figure-head or anything like that, that's just silly.
At any rate, my reply was to Gordan F., and then you replied to me for some reason, and I replied back without checking the name well enough, and here we are. :-/
Yeah, we're the only idiots still doing that anymore. The Left doesn't even bother to pretend, having understood that preening "integrity" is only somethin you have time to do when you're losing.
Well, it took a while to get to, but it finally appeared: the required "equivalence disclosure" in every single one of these articles, whereas we are told solemnly that, yes, the Left has made mistakes, but the Right has made just as many. This apparently absolves these writers from putting the heat where it really belongs: the toxic, grotesque, embrace of the Woke agenda that has infected every one of our institutions. No, the Right is NOT equally responsible for this societal collapse--it is almost exclusively a result of suicidal Progressive politics.
All this helpless hand-wringing is just fiddling while Rome burns. The emerging alarm by Leftist moderates had better lead to a change in voting patterns, plans, alliances, etc--or else.
The Right is just as complicit as the Left in making the mess we have although the form of their complicity is different. They didn’t advance Critical Race Theory or Marxism in our universities but in many places it happened with them in full control of governorships and state houses, they had the power to stop it, but refused to do anything. They just didn’t care. They still don’t care except to use these as wedge issues to shore up their dismal prospects in the 2022 elections.
The right is polite now because the right uses tolerance. The Woke uses repressive tolerance. Yhe only way to combat this is with NO tolernce.
I agree with you insomuch as the political right followed the same ineffective scripts (empty talk of "moral high ground" and not actually caring about the issues their constituents desperately cry out for) and has a sufficient number of cynical careerists as to not be interested in addressing real threats to the integrity of our culture.
I don't know that I'd call their 2022 prospects "dismal" by a long shot. There is a mounting backlash that seems obvious to me across much of the country that will surely make its way to the voting booth.
If you're talking about the wokeness crap only, then of course the far Left is responsible for that. No one is arguing to the contrary.
The article was not only about the ridiculous la-la-la-la-la Left response to Biden's massive failure with ending Afghanistan, but also our failure with Afghanistan in general. And to say that falls on the Left's shoulders is also ridiculous. Bush started the Afghan war, not anyone else. And it's always been the Right who is more hawkish in international affairs, not the Left.
Yes, it was stupid and arrogant of us to try and remake Afghanistan in our likeness. But that is an American arrogance, not a Left or Right one. Obama could have tried to end it sooner, true. But so could have Trump, or even Bush. Do you honestly think it would have mattered who sat in the Oval Office? Rebuilding a country from the ground up is big business, and tax-payer funded. If you think that's only a 'Left' problem, you are delusional.
If anything, when it comes to foreign regime changes and 'world' building', the Right has a far more illustrious résumé than the Left.
Female equality is what the state department advocated. It was Hillary Clinton's state department and the belief in DEI that pushed the war in Afghanistan further. Trump did put the motion to get out of Afghanistan despite the people around him. I don't support Trump but do believe the State Department and CIA created the mess.
You seem to like calling people delusional, or some variation on it. It makes me lose interest in engaging you to any meaningful degree.
I was not against the war itself. I was and am against the manner of its execution and ending. Nothing in my comment stated otherwise; I was agreeing with another poster that the comment that "well, the Right is bad on this also because someone somewhere doesn't want asylum for Afghani interpreters" is bullshit.
You simply jumped in on my response to someone else to call me delusional.
Please, continue explaining how bad the Right is. Maybe this time it'll sink in and I'll reconsider everything.
That's because while the article states 'wokeness' (for lack of a better word) as one of the problems with America (which it is), the author also talked about a lot of other factors regarding that issue. As well as quite a lot about Afghanistan in general, which is a complex issue.
But you threw out everything else and boiled it all down to wokeness, as if that is the only problem that matters. That's delusional.
I work at a University and I can tell you that this woke crap is scaring the shit out of me. It's like a religious cult, and it's extremely alarming how younger folks are embracing this.
But to say that is the only major problem with everything in America is disturbing to say the least. It's like you're yelling at your dog for chewing up all the sofa cushions, and completely ignoring the other 3 dogs tearing up the rest of the house.
For the second time, I think you're talking about someone else- perhaps the person I responded to.
I am not "boiling down" anything to wokeness. It is the least salient topic of the article and mainly seems to be part of a general grumbling. You seem bothered that Gordon Freeman is generally describing the toxic influence of "suicidal Progressive politics" as semantically identical to "woke." I think this is more of a problem with semantics than anything else.
I think the radical, progressive Left, at this present time- wokeness and otherwise- present a greater source of societal, economic, and existential danger to the continued health and survival of the Union than anything being done at the present time by the Right.
If you disagree with me- and I'm sure you strongly disagree with the previous statement- that's fine. But please stop repeating accusations that I'm being myopic. I'm not.
I get the sense that you identify as being on the Left and are reacting to a perceived attack in the general statement that "more of the problems are being caused by the radical Left than the Right and insincere whataboutism is tiresome."
You're right I was responding to Gordan Freeman. The similarity in names confused me, I apologize.
But then why did you say, "You simply jumped in on my response to someone else to call me delusional" if I hadn't even responded to you yet? I responded to Gordon, but you said I responded to you somehow.
To answer you question though, I consider myself a Progressive akin to FDR or even Sanders. This 'other' extreme Left that thinks everything and everyone is part of some binary power dynamic and therefore the world needs to burn, is indeed alarming. They are essentially anarchists disguised as paragons of virtue.
Are they the most pressing issue at this exact moment? Okay, there's merit to that. But the article itself is about the last 20 years of war in Afghanistan, and all the politics wrapped around that. Seeing as Obama was largely hand-tied for most of his Presidency (I'm not fond of him and his decisions either if that matters, his drone strikes alone are horrible), most of the 'Afghanistan question' then largely falls on conservatives. Republican's are the ones who really owned this war, not Democrats.
...with of obvious exception of Biden's insane debacle right now. But I don't consider Biden to be akin to that woke Left mob. He's an old party Dem who is trying to act a little more progressive in order to stay relevant, and too old of course. But he's not some Marxist figure-head or anything like that, that's just silly.
At any rate, my reply was to Gordan F., and then you replied to me for some reason, and I replied back without checking the name well enough, and here we are. :-/
Yeah, we're the only idiots still doing that anymore. The Left doesn't even bother to pretend, having understood that preening "integrity" is only somethin you have time to do when you're losing.
How could anything go wrong when you are so sincere with purpose?