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RMac's avatar

When people feel compelled to come together in desperate search of connection to their higher self and to the Divine in prayer, song and gratitude, miraculous things always happen. It is our natural state of being. Religion is not required.

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Anthony's avatar

Where does this happen without religion?

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TeeJae's avatar

One doesn't need to belong to a specific religion to walk the spiritual path.

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Anthony's avatar

I agree and fall in that category myself. But I also think (self reflectively) that "spiritual but not religious" often means "I don't try that hard or follow any discipline, I just think of myself as a good person." Too often it feels like an excuse rather than a conviction.

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TeeJae's avatar

Another way to look at it (as is the case with those in my spiritual circles) is that by not tying oneself to one specific religion, you're free to choose which beliefs, principles, doctrines, practices that most resonate with your soul. This 'buy-in' actually strengthens one's commitment and dedication to the spiritual world; whereas being required to believe or do certain things in the name of "faith" often has the opposite effect of pushing people away.

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RMac's avatar

Have a look here. The Estonian Singing Revolution.

https://singingrevolution.com/

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Anthony's avatar

This seems to be a documentary about an ethno-nationalist political movement from three decades ago.

Today, finding meaning and moral purpose in ethnic identity is called "white nationalism" and considered the height of moral evil. The secular alternative is DEI, the worship of all ethnic and sexual identity, and it's producing the hopelessness and spiritual bankruptcy of youth.

I can offer one suggestion in my own pursuit of Brazilian Zouk, which some regard as a ritual practice of love, connection and empathy expressed through song and dance. But those things come dangerously close to indulgence and debauchery, and more often than not the spiritual side is overshadowed by competition over status, power and sex.

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RMac's avatar

YouтАЩre quick to respond instead of taking the time to hear and reflect. The issue with all recent discourse. And, you also may not have listened to the singing. It would have moved you and inspired you to reflect. There are countless examples of this type of coming together without religion in recent history. This is our current problem. Most everyone senses the Divine with our heart brain. I would say most, without ulterior motives, are drawn to the chapel as a calling to the Divine within their own hearts. But, you donтАЩt necessarily need a chapel or a church to achieve this outcome.

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Anthony's avatar

That's a fair observation, honestly I saw the NYT and the LA Times praise the film and almost immediately wanted nothing to do with it.

But as it happens, I have a Master's in Choral Conducting and spent years in elite choirs. The clip of the documentary reminded me of one particular convention of churches, thousands of people across dozens of choirs singing together as flags waved and banners marched. It was spectacular.

I'll have to watch the documentary later, seems worth the time. I view these "movements" as the substance of gods, and it strikes me that music is often their voice. "People don't have ideas, ideas have people" hence when thousands speak in unison, it's valuable to ask who is the speaker?

I myself am what you describe, I prefer the quiet of a humble chapel to the majesty of human masses filled with emotion.

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RMac's avatar

Beautiful reply, Anthony, and I agree. You will enjoy the documentary. Their voices replicate the silent awe and humility of a chapel.

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Elizabeth's avatar

Beautiful to see and experience people remembering and connecting to love. Feeling this and amplifying it out to all <3

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