Haley really hits the nail on the head when she says "Don’t let people divide you based on what you look like. Instead, show them how similar you are to them." In America right now we have "DEI" programs that encourage each other to split into "racial affinity" groups. I've been writing and warning people about this for a long time. Radicals in our institutions and the media are trying to bring back segregation and divide us all. A house divided on itself cannot stand.
I’m beyond tired of this “isolationist” claptrap. Just because we want to avoid foreign wars with no direct American interest does not make us “isolationist”. You do realize that these SAME EXACT ARGUMENTS were made in the 60’s to justify our actions in Viet Nam??
"I think that if Biden had gone to East Palestine, you wouldn’t hear so much criticism about him being in Ukraine." - And this is where Haley continues to misunderstand the "new conservative" movement. It's not binary - you can visit people that are hurting and support them and still (walk and chew gum) understand that there will always be limits to our military or financial intervention/support. No one helps their child by missing their mortgage payment on the homestead - THAT is what the US is doing in Ukraine.
I am the daughter of immigrants from Cuba. I am roughly Haley's age. I am a lesbian and happily married for 8 years but have been in my relationship for 18. I am bilingual and proud to be an American first. My parents were DIRT poor when they came to this country as teenagers themselves, and I grew up with nothing but a "do the best you can" and a "keep your nose to the grindstone" mentality fostered by my parents.
I mention the "identity" points above not because I believe they carry any clout for me in the world. They shouldn't. I loathe identity politics, in fact. I mention them solely for context, as I do believe we are too 1-dimensional online and it's nice every once in a while, to understand the person who is writing something better than the intentional or unintentional signals derived from posts like these.
I listened to Haley's interview and, obviously, saw a lot of my experience in what she describes as hers. I also see someone who is passionate about bringing about consensus and compromise. The internet age has retarded many people's ability to compromise, perhaps for fear of not being true to an ideology or "side". That's BS, in my opinion. We all experience hypocritical/conflicted thoughts and ideas in our lives. Living is imperfect and mistakes are made and should be owned. But we, Americans, Republicans, Democrats, whatever... we've got to give ourselves a break. I may not be against abortion entirely, but I can still be a Republican. I may think the police are a necessary institution in civil society (and may need to still optimize and do better), but that doesn't mean I'm not a Democrat. Nikki Haley might have a point of view on Ukraine that differs from a certain percentage of the Republican base, but that doesn't mean she can be patently disqualified, especially if she is a person who will commit to hearing arguments from those who feel differently.
And maybe that's why I'm hopeful after hearing this interview with her. She seems committed to consensus-building and bending but not breaking. I'm not 100% sold on her, but I'll keep listening to someone who sends messages like this over others who present a more defiant and unscrupulous face to their constituencies.
“the party’s base, which is increasingly isolationist ... “
You really need to get over this false narrative Bari Weiss. There is a not too subtle difference between “isolationism” on the one hand and on the other not wanting to “shoot an Archduke” in Ukraine commencing WWIII and moderating our involvement there and dealing with real issues in the US. Like an utterly porous set of borders, fentanyl entering the country and poisoning hundreds of thousands of Americans, defending against ongoing cyberwar by China, and a host of other domestic problems. Spilled vinyl chloride monomer anyone?
Seriously, don’t be so transparently partisan. We expect more from The Free Press.
Except in the FP, everyone groaned when Haley announced. She’s a Bushite neocon retread. There’s nothing populist I have seen from her except a little lip service.
Bari, please reconsider your dalliance and affinity for neocons. War is the health of the authoritarian state. A nation of peace is the only acceptable option. If murder is ok, then so is calling a boy a girl, or say, supporting the overrun of Israel by Palestine.
And look at her terrible, lazy arguments around Ukraine. She mentions supporting allies. Except Ukraine isn’t an ally! Nor should it be given its complete dysfunction as a state. Let’s leave aside no mention of nuclear confrontation, the 2014 coup, and so on.
And then more China fearmongering, or calling great nations “enemies.” Are those nations really our enemies? The US has done nothing but intervene, meddle and punish foreign actors like China for the last decade; and when they finally stop dancing to our tune, we act like they are an enemy now?
A peaceful stance with China has done more for Taiwan than any other geopolitical act in the last 60 years. Neocons are just looking for the next showdown. It keeps the war racket churning.
Is she qualified? Yep. Would she be a good candidate? Yep. Would she be more logical and methodical? Yep. Does she fit the parameters for all of the social qualifications (right or wrong)? Yep. Could she beat Slow Joe? Yep.
Does she stand a chance? Nope.
Sad but both parties are so damn streamlined into positions there no room for someone who doesn't fit the flame throwing from each party. Jim Webb would have been a great nominee, but Hillary was the choice after paying off the Commie. Trump will insult and degrade anyone and his ego is the worst part of him. Just like Slow Joe, they should both hit the retirement trail.
Unfortunately, Trump's ego will likely get Brandon another term as Trump has his rabid supporters, but he tires everyone else out. His inability to ever be wrong or let insults slide by will result in a very long and ugly campaign season and allow Slow Joe to take a cap at noon everyday, Again!
Sad that our great country will boil down to two old outdated men. The slowest and absolute most unqualified, Slow Joe will win again as every woke crazy, I want even more stuff for free, America is evil, white people bad, you should give us what you worked for, will come out in droves to keep the current clown show in power.
Any logical, rational, qualified candidate like Haley would absolutely blow Joe away like Cackles did will Brown in SF. But here we are, people can not and will not think logical but emotionally.
I'm really enjoying the Rowling podcast series. I think the "witch trials" imagery gets a little strained sometimes, but I get it as a narrative device.
The third episode, which talked about the outsized influence of Tumblr and 4Chan in "how everyone talks now" was really informative. I didn't know any of that.
We (The US) are the reason why Russia attacked Ukraine. Before this all started, cackling Kamala announces in a speech how Ukraine needed to join NATO. It was well known that Ukraine joining NATO was a hard line in the sand for Putin and he considers it a threat to Russia's sovereignty. Ukraine is the money laundering center of the world for cronies of the New World Order and the NATO alliance puts them one step closer to Russia. Putin is not a good guy but he recognizes a threat when he sees it. Nothing would have happened had we not pushed Ukraine joining NATO.
Totally off-topic, here, but can Bari interview Tucker Carlson a bout his release of the 1/6/21 Capitol tapes?
No, really - he’s saying that he’s just providing information that has been withheld, but congressional leaders say he’s cherry picking information (that’s rich…).
TFP is quickly becoming my go-to source for thoughtful discussion of information and asking me to make up my own mind - PLEASE HELP!
Ya know everyone is looking at, writing about the GOP Primary race. A small question. Have you looked at the "A List" Democrats? Good Lord, talk about a WEAK bench!
Thoroughly enjoyed the Honestly podcast. Living in South Carolina, I may be prejudice, but her handling and decision making of Matthew was IMO outstanding and representative of good leadership - she was willing to make the tough decision to mandate the evacuation from the coast well ahead of the storm and smart enough to leave final return decisions with the local authorities on the ground. She changed the public’s perception of its state employees with her simple requirement that they answer the phone calls with the message that it was a great day to be in South Carolina. This person knows how to get things accomplished and knows how to solicit the input of others - getting the parties together and not letting them leave until a solution is reached, geez, how often have we wished Washington would do that. I believe America could use the empathy of a women’s touch (yeah, I’m an old white guy) with the diversity of experience growing up to overcome the challenges of America’s prejudices and reaping the rewards of America’s promises.
I liked Haley as UN Sec and I still like her ability to present her ideas clearly. I cannot vote for her because we need a hard reset with the Republican Party. Her first question was indicative that we need change: We have a country in $30t plus debt. We cannot get inflation down to the Fed target of 2% due to government spending - by both parties. We have record homeless, crumbling infrastructure and a broken education system - and yet, we sent nearly $170b to Ukraine? We fought 2 wars on the continent created in part to poor leadership there and we are walking towards a 3rd(see treaty of Versailles for the catalyst for WW2) . The EU and NATO again have failed (esp NATO who has underfunded for 20 years and cannot meet its defensive responsibilities) and they cannot render any real help to Ukraine if the Russians push as hard as we think they will. China is watching and waiting for us to engage with Russia before moving on Taiwan - not the other way around. China is the real long-term US threat. Haley is the new generation but this endless war that robs the US of lives and our long-term financial health is a hard "No" for me.
The Republican Party should be asking hard questions of Biden about our plans/goals/lines for Russia and Ukraine similar to the run up to the Iraq War - instead we get a Uniparty of crickets.
Remember when Nikki Haley sanctimoniously raged over the UN sanctions vote for Syria over its alleged use of chemical weapons?
And then remember how Russia and China voted no on the grounds of the lack of an independent investigation? And then Nikki dismissed that out of hand?
And oh, remember when Sy Hersh confirmed what was pretty obvious at the start, that the chemical weapons were owned and released by the US’s terrorist allies, rather than the Syrian regime?
Haley really hits the nail on the head when she says "Don’t let people divide you based on what you look like. Instead, show them how similar you are to them." In America right now we have "DEI" programs that encourage each other to split into "racial affinity" groups. I've been writing and warning people about this for a long time. Radicals in our institutions and the media are trying to bring back segregation and divide us all. A house divided on itself cannot stand.
I’m beyond tired of this “isolationist” claptrap. Just because we want to avoid foreign wars with no direct American interest does not make us “isolationist”. You do realize that these SAME EXACT ARGUMENTS were made in the 60’s to justify our actions in Viet Nam??
"I think that if Biden had gone to East Palestine, you wouldn’t hear so much criticism about him being in Ukraine." - And this is where Haley continues to misunderstand the "new conservative" movement. It's not binary - you can visit people that are hurting and support them and still (walk and chew gum) understand that there will always be limits to our military or financial intervention/support. No one helps their child by missing their mortgage payment on the homestead - THAT is what the US is doing in Ukraine.
I am the daughter of immigrants from Cuba. I am roughly Haley's age. I am a lesbian and happily married for 8 years but have been in my relationship for 18. I am bilingual and proud to be an American first. My parents were DIRT poor when they came to this country as teenagers themselves, and I grew up with nothing but a "do the best you can" and a "keep your nose to the grindstone" mentality fostered by my parents.
I mention the "identity" points above not because I believe they carry any clout for me in the world. They shouldn't. I loathe identity politics, in fact. I mention them solely for context, as I do believe we are too 1-dimensional online and it's nice every once in a while, to understand the person who is writing something better than the intentional or unintentional signals derived from posts like these.
I listened to Haley's interview and, obviously, saw a lot of my experience in what she describes as hers. I also see someone who is passionate about bringing about consensus and compromise. The internet age has retarded many people's ability to compromise, perhaps for fear of not being true to an ideology or "side". That's BS, in my opinion. We all experience hypocritical/conflicted thoughts and ideas in our lives. Living is imperfect and mistakes are made and should be owned. But we, Americans, Republicans, Democrats, whatever... we've got to give ourselves a break. I may not be against abortion entirely, but I can still be a Republican. I may think the police are a necessary institution in civil society (and may need to still optimize and do better), but that doesn't mean I'm not a Democrat. Nikki Haley might have a point of view on Ukraine that differs from a certain percentage of the Republican base, but that doesn't mean she can be patently disqualified, especially if she is a person who will commit to hearing arguments from those who feel differently.
And maybe that's why I'm hopeful after hearing this interview with her. She seems committed to consensus-building and bending but not breaking. I'm not 100% sold on her, but I'll keep listening to someone who sends messages like this over others who present a more defiant and unscrupulous face to their constituencies.
"Haley’s old-school Republican worldview might not resonate with the party’s base, which is increasingly isolationist and populist"
Christalmighty, I don't even know where to start.
“the party’s base, which is increasingly isolationist ... “
You really need to get over this false narrative Bari Weiss. There is a not too subtle difference between “isolationism” on the one hand and on the other not wanting to “shoot an Archduke” in Ukraine commencing WWIII and moderating our involvement there and dealing with real issues in the US. Like an utterly porous set of borders, fentanyl entering the country and poisoning hundreds of thousands of Americans, defending against ongoing cyberwar by China, and a host of other domestic problems. Spilled vinyl chloride monomer anyone?
Seriously, don’t be so transparently partisan. We expect more from The Free Press.
[Just edited to fix some confusing sentence.]
Except in the FP, everyone groaned when Haley announced. She’s a Bushite neocon retread. There’s nothing populist I have seen from her except a little lip service.
Bari, please reconsider your dalliance and affinity for neocons. War is the health of the authoritarian state. A nation of peace is the only acceptable option. If murder is ok, then so is calling a boy a girl, or say, supporting the overrun of Israel by Palestine.
And look at her terrible, lazy arguments around Ukraine. She mentions supporting allies. Except Ukraine isn’t an ally! Nor should it be given its complete dysfunction as a state. Let’s leave aside no mention of nuclear confrontation, the 2014 coup, and so on.
And then more China fearmongering, or calling great nations “enemies.” Are those nations really our enemies? The US has done nothing but intervene, meddle and punish foreign actors like China for the last decade; and when they finally stop dancing to our tune, we act like they are an enemy now?
A peaceful stance with China has done more for Taiwan than any other geopolitical act in the last 60 years. Neocons are just looking for the next showdown. It keeps the war racket churning.
Is she qualified? Yep. Would she be a good candidate? Yep. Would she be more logical and methodical? Yep. Does she fit the parameters for all of the social qualifications (right or wrong)? Yep. Could she beat Slow Joe? Yep.
Does she stand a chance? Nope.
Sad but both parties are so damn streamlined into positions there no room for someone who doesn't fit the flame throwing from each party. Jim Webb would have been a great nominee, but Hillary was the choice after paying off the Commie. Trump will insult and degrade anyone and his ego is the worst part of him. Just like Slow Joe, they should both hit the retirement trail.
Unfortunately, Trump's ego will likely get Brandon another term as Trump has his rabid supporters, but he tires everyone else out. His inability to ever be wrong or let insults slide by will result in a very long and ugly campaign season and allow Slow Joe to take a cap at noon everyday, Again!
Sad that our great country will boil down to two old outdated men. The slowest and absolute most unqualified, Slow Joe will win again as every woke crazy, I want even more stuff for free, America is evil, white people bad, you should give us what you worked for, will come out in droves to keep the current clown show in power.
Any logical, rational, qualified candidate like Haley would absolutely blow Joe away like Cackles did will Brown in SF. But here we are, people can not and will not think logical but emotionally.
I'm really enjoying the Rowling podcast series. I think the "witch trials" imagery gets a little strained sometimes, but I get it as a narrative device.
The third episode, which talked about the outsized influence of Tumblr and 4Chan in "how everyone talks now" was really informative. I didn't know any of that.
We (The US) are the reason why Russia attacked Ukraine. Before this all started, cackling Kamala announces in a speech how Ukraine needed to join NATO. It was well known that Ukraine joining NATO was a hard line in the sand for Putin and he considers it a threat to Russia's sovereignty. Ukraine is the money laundering center of the world for cronies of the New World Order and the NATO alliance puts them one step closer to Russia. Putin is not a good guy but he recognizes a threat when he sees it. Nothing would have happened had we not pushed Ukraine joining NATO.
Totally off-topic, here, but can Bari interview Tucker Carlson a bout his release of the 1/6/21 Capitol tapes?
No, really - he’s saying that he’s just providing information that has been withheld, but congressional leaders say he’s cherry picking information (that’s rich…).
TFP is quickly becoming my go-to source for thoughtful discussion of information and asking me to make up my own mind - PLEASE HELP!
Ya know everyone is looking at, writing about the GOP Primary race. A small question. Have you looked at the "A List" Democrats? Good Lord, talk about a WEAK bench!
Thoroughly enjoyed the Honestly podcast. Living in South Carolina, I may be prejudice, but her handling and decision making of Matthew was IMO outstanding and representative of good leadership - she was willing to make the tough decision to mandate the evacuation from the coast well ahead of the storm and smart enough to leave final return decisions with the local authorities on the ground. She changed the public’s perception of its state employees with her simple requirement that they answer the phone calls with the message that it was a great day to be in South Carolina. This person knows how to get things accomplished and knows how to solicit the input of others - getting the parties together and not letting them leave until a solution is reached, geez, how often have we wished Washington would do that. I believe America could use the empathy of a women’s touch (yeah, I’m an old white guy) with the diversity of experience growing up to overcome the challenges of America’s prejudices and reaping the rewards of America’s promises.
A political operative looking for a VP slot; following the Harris model of not getting more than a few percent in the primaries.
I liked Haley as UN Sec and I still like her ability to present her ideas clearly. I cannot vote for her because we need a hard reset with the Republican Party. Her first question was indicative that we need change: We have a country in $30t plus debt. We cannot get inflation down to the Fed target of 2% due to government spending - by both parties. We have record homeless, crumbling infrastructure and a broken education system - and yet, we sent nearly $170b to Ukraine? We fought 2 wars on the continent created in part to poor leadership there and we are walking towards a 3rd(see treaty of Versailles for the catalyst for WW2) . The EU and NATO again have failed (esp NATO who has underfunded for 20 years and cannot meet its defensive responsibilities) and they cannot render any real help to Ukraine if the Russians push as hard as we think they will. China is watching and waiting for us to engage with Russia before moving on Taiwan - not the other way around. China is the real long-term US threat. Haley is the new generation but this endless war that robs the US of lives and our long-term financial health is a hard "No" for me.
The Republican Party should be asking hard questions of Biden about our plans/goals/lines for Russia and Ukraine similar to the run up to the Iraq War - instead we get a Uniparty of crickets.
Remember when Nikki Haley sanctimoniously raged over the UN sanctions vote for Syria over its alleged use of chemical weapons?
And then remember how Russia and China voted no on the grounds of the lack of an independent investigation? And then Nikki dismissed that out of hand?
And oh, remember when Sy Hersh confirmed what was pretty obvious at the start, that the chemical weapons were owned and released by the US’s terrorist allies, rather than the Syrian regime?
Pepperidge farm remembers.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/neocon-watch/2017/february/28/nikki-haley-watch-trumps-disaster-un-ambassador-loses-it-over-syria-sanctions-vote/