You have the plant, the distributors, the stores, and the know how. Can't you form your own ice cream company and call it Mohammed and Moshe? There is nothing like competition to bring reason and sanity back. I won't buy Ben & Jerry's and haven't for some years now because of their stupidity.
You have the plant, the distributors, the stores, and the know how. Can't you form your own ice cream company and call it Mohammed and Moshe? There is nothing like competition to bring reason and sanity back. I won't buy Ben & Jerry's and haven't for some years now because of their stupidity.
As an attorney familiar with license deals, the B&J agreement likely includes a lot of incentives from the parent company that help with some of the side initiatives, not to mention the brand name alone. He also cannot take the "know how" because he's likely relied on B&J recipes with any deviations (i.e., Palestinian fruit varieties) having to be approved by B&J.
Yes! Perhaps he could spin-off from licensing both the brand name and recipes, and perhaps negotiate a new deal to license only the recipes (so he doesn't have to reinvent the wheel). B&J's name is not attached, but Israelis and Palestinians keep their jobs and continue to enjoy the ice cream they've grown to love. Sadly, (bad) lawyers and egos on the business side could keep this happening.
He doesn't want to be in any business but grifting off the monster of social justice he helped build. It's like an automobile company suing itself over it's own defective product recall.
Hey ! This car explodes on Impact !
That's it, I'm suing !
It has nothing to do with anything but virtue signalling and the next grift.
This is a virtue signalling / counter signalling problem.
Why sell ice cream when you can grift ? And profit from a grift you helped build.
What grift? He sells Ben & Jerry's ice cream to Israelis and Palestinians. That's been his career for three decades, selling ice cream. He sells a particular brand, and one brand only: Ben & Jerry's. Its parent Unilever chose to cave to the BDS economic terrorists instead of telling them to get lost. That corporate decision endangers his business. He's challenging the decision in court, legally, to he can remain in the business of selling the brand for which he became known there.
Virtue signaling? Grift? What do you expect him to do, walk away from a business of thirty five years, a successful one that both peoples enjoyed, because his supplier is an asshole? Why are you blaming HIM and not Unilever?
What he's saying is the author goes on and on about all of the things he did, how bad Ben & Jerry's is to him after essentially rescuing the company but still wants to work for the company.
The author by his own words spend years and decades supporting social justice. Now he complains because the monster he fed along with many others is coming after him and his ....
...and if this were a new or unexpected development instead of so certain it's a cliche and if so many hadn't warned just in my own lifetime they will come after you ....I could feel sympathy for the author. I clearly don't.
If the monster he fed was coming after his neighbors in America or in Israel he'd be writing checks. Instead he's calling his lawyer.
Aaannnddd.....yessss....of course he's got a grift angle, he's suing.
1. Lawsuits are not "grift." They're how a civilized society rights a wrong. He's suing because he faces the loss of his livelihood by being extorted into signing a contract that is illegal under both American and Israeli laws. I'd sue, too. Or would you rather he set off a pipe bomb at Ben & Jerry's HQ in Connecticut? I'd rather he sue.
2. He doesn't define "social justice" the same way you do. He defines it as "I give people jobs and sell people ice cream, which helps everyone: Israeli, Palestinian, Druze, the rest, and me. People who have jobs and make money are less apt to throw bombs." That is a good social justice.
3. The "social justice" we're most familiar with is the Woke Warrior's screaming about pronouns and equal outcomes. He's not using that definition.
4. The only thing he "fed" with his actions is the needs of that society. Ben & Jerry's wants to take that away by caving in to the racist, silly, and felonious demands of BDS. Your ire should be aimed at B&J and parent Unilever, not at the author.
I don't see that Avi Zinger (the author of the piece) says he rescued Ben and Jerry's, but rather that he introduced Ben and Jerry's to Israel, while at the same time using his business to build an initiative of mutual cooperation and coexistence among a number of Israel's different ethnic and religious groups, Palestinians included. I did not see Avi's listing of his activities as a means of virtue signaling, but rather as simply saying that his impact was a positive one.
Avi Zinger wants to bring people together, and as such is a force for peace and life. BDS wants to divide people, and as such is a force for war and death. Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) has succumbed to BDS pressure, and so has joined BDS in their destructive activities.
Because Avi Zinger will not knuckle under to Ben and Jerry's (Unilever's) illegal demands, Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) is terminating Avi's contract, thus depriving him of his business and his livelihood. And so, Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) is being sued by Avi Zinger. More power to him.
"the long warred" sees this situation only as a cynical attempt by someone to profit off of a Wokeist travesty. The only Wokeist travesty here is the one on the BDS / Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) side of things.
Thank you. This. He uses the term "social justice" which has a bad ring to it, but in fact, he's doing hard, concrete work to bring Israelis and Palestinians together and improve lives through his business. Assuming his self-description is true, he is doing honorable work in Israel. It's a sad fact that in Woke Land, no good deed goes unpunished.
That's how I read the essay too, Phil. Avi Zinger isn't the bad guy here; Unilever is for caving into to BDS demands. I have no clue what "the long warred" is trying to say.
What I don't know, and would like to find out, is why Unilever didn't tell BDS to stuff it and get lost. Unilever is a huge corporation that absorb any silliness BDS throws at it. Why did Unilever pay off the terrorists?
Ben & Jerry's is the only brand he's sold for thirty-five years, and the corporate parent, Unilever, demands that he break American and Israeli laws to discriminate against his Palestinian clients. "He still wants to work for the company" is not a social justice issue, but one of his own economic survival. I see nothing wrong with his suing Unilever to restore the terms of their agreement.
Same here, Phish food is still my favorite ice cream but B&J became intolerable years ago.
At this point I am almost boycotting California entirely, I even avoid their wines (which are very soon going to drop in quality due to preventable wildfires)
I specifically only buy Australian wine for the past 6 months because Xi Jinping & the CCP have tried to single-handedly destroy the Australian wine industry.
So in solidarity, many in the USA, Europe & across the world purchase Australian wine :)
I’m boycotting Coke boycotting Delta hate Nike and won’t buy it boycotting Disney very soon there will nothing left for me to buy or boycott so perhaps it will be best for me to just stay home enjoy the time extra money I might have wasted money ❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸
I won't buy Coke. I wonder if anyone knows how their sales have been affected since they became Woke? I doubt Disney will be hurt in any way by their position on indoctrinating kindergartners on sex? Somehow I doubt it. Walt must be spinning in his grave if he could see what has happened to his company.
I suspect the media has very carefully avoided investigating the impact that "going Woke" has had on Coke. I, too, ceased to buy Coke, after the "be less white" debacle. I've even learned to like Dr Pepper (since that is the most common alternative to Coke at fast food restaurants around here).
The thing about Disney is that it owns a LOT of films and TV shows that predate the scourge of Wokeness. And not everything Disney owns has been hopelessly infested yet. Nor has the company yet done the one thing that I find intolerable: engaging in pointed bigotry toward a portion of their customer base (ala Coke's "be less white," despite the fact it was aimed at employees) and/or requiring their customers to have a particular political viewpoint (I boycott Penzey's Spices and JoAnn Fabrics because both companies used customer email lists to tell their customers what to think).
All good points. I love the earlier Disney movies and have always enjoyed DisneyWorld although I doubt I'll ever go again. Did not know that about JoAnn Fabrics. I'm on the email list but I delete without reading. I prefer Hobby Lobby but it is across town.
It was back when Trump was pushing for an increase in the tariffs on Chinese goods. They sent an email saying, "You need to tell your congressmen to oppose this because it will harm small business crafters." It was all too clear to me that the reason for this bossy political email was that it would actually put a dent in *JoAnn's* bottom line. Considering how much money they make by marking up goods produced by slave-wage Chinese labor, I was unimpressed.
Same for me. Coke was for special occasions only. When we were sick Mom went to the local luncheonette and bought a small amount of Coke syrup which she gave us by the teaspoonful. I remember going to the luncheonette and ordering a 2 cent Coke. It was in a very small glass, maybe 4 oz. I don't often drink soft drinks either. I stick to water...from the tap.
You one of the lucky ones it was our go to drink our eyes had tiny bubbles in when we drank it but after they weigh in with voter ID in that moment my whole family dropped Coke it was as if the Lord smiled upon us we feel so much healthy drink a lot more tap water (government issue) don’t have to throw away cans or plastic bottles and I can tell you a big saving on our pockets and the environment
I ask for Pepsi now. KO sales dropped last year after they complained about the Georgia voting law. Not a peep from them lately. Maybe they got the message to stay in the sugared water business and out of woke politics.
Maybe not now for Disney but if they carry on with this woke policy it’s going to come back to bite real bad don’t underestimate the American people they are really fed up we live in one of the best countries in the world everybody want to live in America but one day is one day Disney suffered real bad under Covid restrictions I did promise my kids we would go but I have pushed it right out and what’s even stranger is my kids haven’t asked me to go I can only think they have become aware of Disney bizarre behavior or they may realize it’s not the ultimate playground anymore 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Disney is no longer solely and American company. They have theme parks in several countries and make their movies in China. Their market outside the USA is potentially far larger than the Anaheim and Orlando parks. My guess is they would not be able to get away with the woke stuff in Shanghai or Japan or China.
I specifically only buy Australian wine for the past 6 months because Xi Jinping & the CCP have tried to single-handedly destroy the Australian wine industry.
So in solidarity, many in the USA, Europe & across the world purchase Australian wine :)
good grief NO.. if you are going to boycott wine due to politics. you better start growing your own grapes .. Oregon and Washington?? take a good look at Seattle/Portland
In Washington, almost all vineyards and most wineries are east of the Cascades. In Oregon, they're in the western part of the state, south of Portland and the Columbia River.
Yes! Ask Israelis and Palestinians to come up with names, and they'd swarm all over that. The publicity would be priceless and he could hire even more workers to meet the demand. Reverse-sell to other nations, etc.
You have the plant, the distributors, the stores, and the know how. Can't you form your own ice cream company and call it Mohammed and Moshe? There is nothing like competition to bring reason and sanity back. I won't buy Ben & Jerry's and haven't for some years now because of their stupidity.
As an attorney familiar with license deals, the B&J agreement likely includes a lot of incentives from the parent company that help with some of the side initiatives, not to mention the brand name alone. He also cannot take the "know how" because he's likely relied on B&J recipes with any deviations (i.e., Palestinian fruit varieties) having to be approved by B&J.
I know you are correct but spin offs an start ups happen all the time.
Yes! Perhaps he could spin-off from licensing both the brand name and recipes, and perhaps negotiate a new deal to license only the recipes (so he doesn't have to reinvent the wheel). B&J's name is not attached, but Israelis and Palestinians keep their jobs and continue to enjoy the ice cream they've grown to love. Sadly, (bad) lawyers and egos on the business side could keep this happening.
MOHAMMED AND MOSHE IS A GREAT IDEA! You win the thread for that one.
Can't imagine he didn't sign a non-compete....
🤣😂🤣😂
Love the name.
Stopped buying it myself even though it's delicious!
He doesn't want to be in any business but grifting off the monster of social justice he helped build. It's like an automobile company suing itself over it's own defective product recall.
Hey ! This car explodes on Impact !
That's it, I'm suing !
It has nothing to do with anything but virtue signalling and the next grift.
This is a virtue signalling / counter signalling problem.
Why sell ice cream when you can grift ? And profit from a grift you helped build.
What grift? He sells Ben & Jerry's ice cream to Israelis and Palestinians. That's been his career for three decades, selling ice cream. He sells a particular brand, and one brand only: Ben & Jerry's. Its parent Unilever chose to cave to the BDS economic terrorists instead of telling them to get lost. That corporate decision endangers his business. He's challenging the decision in court, legally, to he can remain in the business of selling the brand for which he became known there.
Virtue signaling? Grift? What do you expect him to do, walk away from a business of thirty five years, a successful one that both peoples enjoyed, because his supplier is an asshole? Why are you blaming HIM and not Unilever?
the long warred… What are you talking about? It seems that what you’re saying is totally confused gibberish.
No Phil, you are just offering a bot level of lame counter.
What he's saying is the author goes on and on about all of the things he did, how bad Ben & Jerry's is to him after essentially rescuing the company but still wants to work for the company.
The author by his own words spend years and decades supporting social justice. Now he complains because the monster he fed along with many others is coming after him and his ....
...and if this were a new or unexpected development instead of so certain it's a cliche and if so many hadn't warned just in my own lifetime they will come after you ....I could feel sympathy for the author. I clearly don't.
If the monster he fed was coming after his neighbors in America or in Israel he'd be writing checks. Instead he's calling his lawyer.
Aaannnddd.....yessss....of course he's got a grift angle, he's suing.
1. Lawsuits are not "grift." They're how a civilized society rights a wrong. He's suing because he faces the loss of his livelihood by being extorted into signing a contract that is illegal under both American and Israeli laws. I'd sue, too. Or would you rather he set off a pipe bomb at Ben & Jerry's HQ in Connecticut? I'd rather he sue.
2. He doesn't define "social justice" the same way you do. He defines it as "I give people jobs and sell people ice cream, which helps everyone: Israeli, Palestinian, Druze, the rest, and me. People who have jobs and make money are less apt to throw bombs." That is a good social justice.
3. The "social justice" we're most familiar with is the Woke Warrior's screaming about pronouns and equal outcomes. He's not using that definition.
4. The only thing he "fed" with his actions is the needs of that society. Ben & Jerry's wants to take that away by caving in to the racist, silly, and felonious demands of BDS. Your ire should be aimed at B&J and parent Unilever, not at the author.
madaboutmd...
I don't see that Avi Zinger (the author of the piece) says he rescued Ben and Jerry's, but rather that he introduced Ben and Jerry's to Israel, while at the same time using his business to build an initiative of mutual cooperation and coexistence among a number of Israel's different ethnic and religious groups, Palestinians included. I did not see Avi's listing of his activities as a means of virtue signaling, but rather as simply saying that his impact was a positive one.
Avi Zinger wants to bring people together, and as such is a force for peace and life. BDS wants to divide people, and as such is a force for war and death. Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) has succumbed to BDS pressure, and so has joined BDS in their destructive activities.
Because Avi Zinger will not knuckle under to Ben and Jerry's (Unilever's) illegal demands, Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) is terminating Avi's contract, thus depriving him of his business and his livelihood. And so, Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) is being sued by Avi Zinger. More power to him.
"the long warred" sees this situation only as a cynical attempt by someone to profit off of a Wokeist travesty. The only Wokeist travesty here is the one on the BDS / Ben and Jerry's (Unilever) side of things.
I'd not mind him profiting off the Wokeist travesty if he hadn't spent years helping to build said Woke.
The author is getting eaten by the snakes he fed in his backyard, expecting them to only bite his neighbors.
Gonna add: when someone wants your genocide...you call...your lawyer?!?
Thank you. This. He uses the term "social justice" which has a bad ring to it, but in fact, he's doing hard, concrete work to bring Israelis and Palestinians together and improve lives through his business. Assuming his self-description is true, he is doing honorable work in Israel. It's a sad fact that in Woke Land, no good deed goes unpunished.
That's how I read the essay too, Phil. Avi Zinger isn't the bad guy here; Unilever is for caving into to BDS demands. I have no clue what "the long warred" is trying to say.
What I don't know, and would like to find out, is why Unilever didn't tell BDS to stuff it and get lost. Unilever is a huge corporation that absorb any silliness BDS throws at it. Why did Unilever pay off the terrorists?
Ben & Jerry's is the only brand he's sold for thirty-five years, and the corporate parent, Unilever, demands that he break American and Israeli laws to discriminate against his Palestinian clients. "He still wants to work for the company" is not a social justice issue, but one of his own economic survival. I see nothing wrong with his suing Unilever to restore the terms of their agreement.
Naomi...absotlvaly, why would you want to work for a Unilever, just leave her.
Same here, Phish food is still my favorite ice cream but B&J became intolerable years ago.
At this point I am almost boycotting California entirely, I even avoid their wines (which are very soon going to drop in quality due to preventable wildfires)
There are some very good Israeli wines out there - I've been buying from Golan Heights wineries.
Thank you for that going to try them immediately can you supply me some names of wines please?
Check out https://yardenwines.com
nice!! :)
Yarden Wines? I like them!
Yes! I wrote to the head winemaker via their website, and got a very nice email back.
Going to try Yarden do you recommend red or a white I drink both
I liked their Mt. Hermon Red.
Going to try it thanks for info
I specifically only buy Australian wine for the past 6 months because Xi Jinping & the CCP have tried to single-handedly destroy the Australian wine industry.
So in solidarity, many in the USA, Europe & across the world purchase Australian wine :)
I'll try it!
But in truth I mostly buy local craft beer 🍻
I’m boycotting Coke boycotting Delta hate Nike and won’t buy it boycotting Disney very soon there will nothing left for me to buy or boycott so perhaps it will be best for me to just stay home enjoy the time extra money I might have wasted money ❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸
Pepsi still selling in Russia - give RC Cola a try if they're in your area. They seem intent on making a nice beverage and not changing the world.
RC Cola is also less expensive.
Support local!
I won't buy Coke. I wonder if anyone knows how their sales have been affected since they became Woke? I doubt Disney will be hurt in any way by their position on indoctrinating kindergartners on sex? Somehow I doubt it. Walt must be spinning in his grave if he could see what has happened to his company.
I suspect the media has very carefully avoided investigating the impact that "going Woke" has had on Coke. I, too, ceased to buy Coke, after the "be less white" debacle. I've even learned to like Dr Pepper (since that is the most common alternative to Coke at fast food restaurants around here).
The thing about Disney is that it owns a LOT of films and TV shows that predate the scourge of Wokeness. And not everything Disney owns has been hopelessly infested yet. Nor has the company yet done the one thing that I find intolerable: engaging in pointed bigotry toward a portion of their customer base (ala Coke's "be less white," despite the fact it was aimed at employees) and/or requiring their customers to have a particular political viewpoint (I boycott Penzey's Spices and JoAnn Fabrics because both companies used customer email lists to tell their customers what to think).
All good points. I love the earlier Disney movies and have always enjoyed DisneyWorld although I doubt I'll ever go again. Did not know that about JoAnn Fabrics. I'm on the email list but I delete without reading. I prefer Hobby Lobby but it is across town.
It was back when Trump was pushing for an increase in the tariffs on Chinese goods. They sent an email saying, "You need to tell your congressmen to oppose this because it will harm small business crafters." It was all too clear to me that the reason for this bossy political email was that it would actually put a dent in *JoAnn's* bottom line. Considering how much money they make by marking up goods produced by slave-wage Chinese labor, I was unimpressed.
Oh, sure. All those cheap goo gaws are made in China.
I almost never drink Coke. Growing up in the 1960's, it was a rare treat in my family. I never acquired the soft drink habit.
Hard to boycott something you don't buy in the first place.
Same for me. Coke was for special occasions only. When we were sick Mom went to the local luncheonette and bought a small amount of Coke syrup which she gave us by the teaspoonful. I remember going to the luncheonette and ordering a 2 cent Coke. It was in a very small glass, maybe 4 oz. I don't often drink soft drinks either. I stick to water...from the tap.
You one of the lucky ones it was our go to drink our eyes had tiny bubbles in when we drank it but after they weigh in with voter ID in that moment my whole family dropped Coke it was as if the Lord smiled upon us we feel so much healthy drink a lot more tap water (government issue) don’t have to throw away cans or plastic bottles and I can tell you a big saving on our pockets and the environment
A friend of mine lost 14 lbs when she gave up Coke.
I ask for Pepsi now. KO sales dropped last year after they complained about the Georgia voting law. Not a peep from them lately. Maybe they got the message to stay in the sugared water business and out of woke politics.
Maybe not now for Disney but if they carry on with this woke policy it’s going to come back to bite real bad don’t underestimate the American people they are really fed up we live in one of the best countries in the world everybody want to live in America but one day is one day Disney suffered real bad under Covid restrictions I did promise my kids we would go but I have pushed it right out and what’s even stranger is my kids haven’t asked me to go I can only think they have become aware of Disney bizarre behavior or they may realize it’s not the ultimate playground anymore 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Disney is no longer solely and American company. They have theme parks in several countries and make their movies in China. Their market outside the USA is potentially far larger than the Anaheim and Orlando parks. My guess is they would not be able to get away with the woke stuff in Shanghai or Japan or China.
I don't buy a lot of wine but I am going to start checking the labels. No point sending my money to California.
I specifically only buy Australian wine for the past 6 months because Xi Jinping & the CCP have tried to single-handedly destroy the Australian wine industry.
So in solidarity, many in the USA, Europe & across the world purchase Australian wine :)
Central Texas (Hill Country) has a booming wine industry.
That was easier, morally, before Australia began banning free speech over Covid.
Good to know. I have enjoyed several bottles of Australian wine over the years. I'll look for it specifically now that I know.
Washington State and Oregon make plenty of good wine.
good grief NO.. if you are going to boycott wine due to politics. you better start growing your own grapes .. Oregon and Washington?? take a good look at Seattle/Portland
Consider Midwestern wineries. There are plenty.
Or buy Israeli wine!
Missouri has some of the best red wines, made from the Norton grape. The state was the top wine producing state for a while after the Civil War.
Somehow I am going to guess that the part of Washington State and Oregon that make good wine are not the WOKE parts of those states.
In Washington, almost all vineyards and most wineries are east of the Cascades. In Oregon, they're in the western part of the state, south of Portland and the Columbia River.
The very first AVA in America was awarded to Augusta Missouri! Nice wines!!
We have San Sebastian Winery in St. Augustine Florida.
Now that is one great idea!🥳
Yes! Ask Israelis and Palestinians to come up with names, and they'd swarm all over that. The publicity would be priceless and he could hire even more workers to meet the demand. Reverse-sell to other nations, etc.
Kibbutz Koffee. Coffee ice cream is my favorite but hard to find nowadays
try Hagen Daas