Agreed. I'm 50 years old with post-graduate work under my belt, and I had to look up what "physiognomy" meant. What's the connection between insulting someone's looks and antisemitism? Isn't desparaging insulting people looks kind of standard on Twitter, especially when you're too lazy to debate? (There's a reason I don't use Twitter.) I'm thinking of Sarah Palin? Hillary Clinton? Ben Shapiro? Chris Cuomo?
If some idiot (even a big megaphone idiot) makes a crack about a guy's looks implying he's nefarious, jumping to "that guy hates Jews" seems like a stretch. Although, I'm not Jewish, so I would defer to Bari and those here who are. Am I missing something?
You have to go back 40 to 50 years to make a point ? That's a pretty good indication that you either have no point or that it is very weak.
Many Jews overlook the fact that BDS and other antisemitic policies are actually part of the written agenda of Dem/Progressives. It's ingrained in their core agenda. The right removed such items from their agenda (such as presidential party platforms). Not to say there are not antisemites in both parties - but only one party has ingrained it in their policy material and supported the woke mob as they violently attack Jews (for example, the summer in L.A. and in NYC when Jews were openly attacked in broad daylight - or did you forget?)
When someone (or a party) tell you they are antisemites - believe them.
Agree - but it must be called out. The fact that those who identify as тАЬprogressive тАЬ (including progressive Jews) never call out antisemitism coming from their тАЬsideтАЭ is not an excuse to ignore this comment .
I ask my conservative friends to consider antisemitism as a stain on us all, and a damage to our Conservative cause in particular. Trump was/is not antisemitic (not even in Charlotte!) but everyone holding a conservative flag that even tolerates it just gives our opponents ammunition to attack our push to support тАЬтАж that all men are created equalтАжтАЭ
These people are insignificant. They have a First Amendment right to make asses of themselves and I (and Douglas Murray) have a First Amendment right to shine the disinfecting light on them).
Jeff - agree (as you can tell from my own comment to the article ) but going forward I think we need to not label conservative vs liberal . Liberalism as a philosophy is very different than liberal politics . We need to shine light on intersectional тАЬwokeтАЭ progressives vs those who believe in liberal democracy (both conservative and liberals - the only difference being how one views how to accomplish similar objectives) And differentiate conservatives who believe in liberty from far right . The Far right , religious zealots and intersectional progressives are all the same - a binary view of the world
Alan, I totally agree. Although IтАЩve almost achieved avoidance of calling Leftists as Liberal (I have solid respect for the latter, anywhere from regret to disdain for the former) if anyone catches me slipping up by saying тАЬLiberalтАЭ when IтАЩm referring to the latter -correct me pls.
IтАЩd like to avoid the labels as you suggest but itтАЩs tougher on a typed blog thread even though the labels really arenтАЩt fitting as you say. They would only fit issue by issue (I think тАЬLiberallyтАЭ on some things, тАЬConservativelyтАЭ on others).
I completely agree with your comment. While some things are absolutely Right or Wrong, the vast majority of issues are on a spectrum. Maybe we should refer to the color spectrum ЁЯЩВ
Maybe Bari Weiss can write about it in the future - but if we are going to defeat the beast of far left progressive neo- marxist /fascist ideology - which has been acceptable in тАЬcivil societyтАЭ we need to correctly label ideas . Liberal vs conservative is being used against all of us who love liberal / western philosophy
antisemtism is casually integrated into every aspect of society, and some areas of the Right have some obscene manifestations, like this one. The reason many of us are focusing on the Left right now is because of the way that Left has actually justified it and the hypocrisy that in the midst of the major push for 'diversity', when every other bias or racial hatred would be made into a national tragedy, the Jews somehow don't count. But it is just as gross - and frankly the core of the problem we now are encountering in our society, when we are unwilling to see the issues on 'our' side - when those on the Right gets self-righteous and will only call out the hyporcrisy on the Left. Antisemitism is an age-old institution that has thrived on both the Right and the Left.
Please give an example of anti-semitism integrated in our society? The article above doesnтАЩt even have an example of anti-semitism. The author, and some readers, simply jump to the conclusion that calling someone ugly is anti-Semitic. That says more about the people jumping to conclusions than it does about the accused.
well, one example would be casually utilizing methods that the nazis' used (physiognomy as a way to point to the inferiority of a particular people) and having most people not willing to acknowledge the antisemitic history, reference and uitlization of this, even when it is pointed out. It's not about calling someone 'ugly'; it's about calling attention to certain features that are prevalent in a certain group and demonizing them.. it's a form of ad hominem applied to a whole group. I could point out many, many examples of how normalizing Jew hatred and attacks as 'merely' a response to how 'evil' Israel is, and as only 'political'... and ignored by the people who are otherwise so vocal about the slightest whif of racism. I could point to the double standard that Israel is held to against any reasonable understanding about what is happening there. I could point to the casual usage/slippage in meaning of words like "Nazi" (anyone you don't agree with or don't like) 'concentration camp' (and kind of situation where things are unfair or uncomfortable) or 'holocaust' (you get the picture)... in order to slowly undermine the seriousness of the Jewish Holocaust and to minimize it;. Being told, when I call out antisemtism that it's not the 'time' for that.. and that we should care about every other groups' suffering and not have a concern about my own people. I could go on. and I had no requirement to answer your challenge. And, yes, pointing to and denigrating typical Jewish Physiognomy and using that as somehow 'proof' that a person is unworthy of consideration is very antisemitic. and I won't be responding to any more of these 'challenges'...
NO. No, they are not. One side supports BDS and attacks Israel it dares to defend itself and commits OPEN acts of antisemitism - such as the violent attacks on Jews in L.A. and NYC about a year ago.
This articles calls out someone for making fun of another persons looks - and it is unclear if it is due to any racial/ethic/religious reason.
If you think the two are the same you are living a delusion.
You are reading my comment too literally. I intended to make a generalization, that anti Semitism is a problem on the right and the left, where people on both sides have remained silent when it comes from their own party. I agree that the specific acts of anti Semitism are very different on the right and the left. At the same time, I donтАЩt believe that it is productive to the discourse to compare one act to another and conclude that one is worse. My belief is that all such acts should be called out.
To me - the author was just looking hard to find some cases where a Republican can be called out as an antisemite - to try to balance all the jew hate coming out of Progressives. Well, if you have to stretch that far ... Really, this article just does more to show how desperate Progressives are too say ... "but Republican do it too" It's pathetic and what an epic fail.
I see another example of words=violence... How many people are following this guy? heard his name before? What kind of influence he has? And at the same time a тАЬdiversity, equity and inclusion senator for the Viterbi Graduate Student Association" in USC shares thoughts like
тАЬI want to kill every mother f**king ZionistтАЭ;
тАЬZionists are going to f**king payтАЭ;
тАЬDeath to Israel and its b**tch the USтАЭ and university refuses to deal with her! As a Jew from former Soviet Union I am very attuned to any kind of anti-Semitism and find above twits quite offensive. But I find current campus politics absolutely scary! Around 10 years ago Jewish kids I know were under direct attack from deranged Hamas supporter, she was writing "I know where you live, my friends will rape you" and so on, and UC leadership refused to deal with her...
The article by Douglas Murray may have тАЬstretchedтАЭ to find anti Semitism. BUT. It is true that there is anti Semitism on the right, and it should be called out - as rigorous as we call out the left. No one gets a pass.
I have had the misfortune of interacting with some right-wing antisemites. Are they representative of people on the right at large? Obviously not. Mr. Murray considers himself right-wing. I sure hope more people on the left would stand firm in challenging left wing antisemitism (or dehumanization of any kid, for that matter). The way I see it, Mr. Murray is the leading by example.
It's a bit much to infer that stupid comments by a single conservative can be indicative of "the Right."
Agreed. I'm 50 years old with post-graduate work under my belt, and I had to look up what "physiognomy" meant. What's the connection between insulting someone's looks and antisemitism? Isn't desparaging insulting people looks kind of standard on Twitter, especially when you're too lazy to debate? (There's a reason I don't use Twitter.) I'm thinking of Sarah Palin? Hillary Clinton? Ben Shapiro? Chris Cuomo?
If some idiot (even a big megaphone idiot) makes a crack about a guy's looks implying he's nefarious, jumping to "that guy hates Jews" seems like a stretch. Although, I'm not Jewish, so I would defer to Bari and those here who are. Am I missing something?
What about Nixon ( A Quaker) calling out" the jews ". Or The John Birch Society ? or Pat Buchanan ?
You have to go back 40 to 50 years to make a point ? That's a pretty good indication that you either have no point or that it is very weak.
Many Jews overlook the fact that BDS and other antisemitic policies are actually part of the written agenda of Dem/Progressives. It's ingrained in their core agenda. The right removed such items from their agenda (such as presidential party platforms). Not to say there are not antisemites in both parties - but only one party has ingrained it in their policy material and supported the woke mob as they violently attack Jews (for example, the summer in L.A. and in NYC when Jews were openly attacked in broad daylight - or did you forget?)
When someone (or a party) tell you they are antisemites - believe them.
It means I am Old.....
corbu...didn't Nixon save Israel?
Nixon couldn't even save his own behind. Nixon also opened the world to the CCP ....
corup...oh yah, just look at that, Nixon saves Israel. Some people are selfish and just try to save their own butt, but Not Big-Dick.
China was just another "Great " move, lately we (US) gave most away, Butt that was lately, pee- pecker Joe et al.
Agree - but it must be called out. The fact that those who identify as тАЬprogressive тАЬ (including progressive Jews) never call out antisemitism coming from their тАЬsideтАЭ is not an excuse to ignore this comment .
I ask my conservative friends to consider antisemitism as a stain on us all, and a damage to our Conservative cause in particular. Trump was/is not antisemitic (not even in Charlotte!) but everyone holding a conservative flag that even tolerates it just gives our opponents ammunition to attack our push to support тАЬтАж that all men are created equalтАжтАЭ
These people are insignificant. They have a First Amendment right to make asses of themselves and I (and Douglas Murray) have a First Amendment right to shine the disinfecting light on them).
Jeff - agree (as you can tell from my own comment to the article ) but going forward I think we need to not label conservative vs liberal . Liberalism as a philosophy is very different than liberal politics . We need to shine light on intersectional тАЬwokeтАЭ progressives vs those who believe in liberal democracy (both conservative and liberals - the only difference being how one views how to accomplish similar objectives) And differentiate conservatives who believe in liberty from far right . The Far right , religious zealots and intersectional progressives are all the same - a binary view of the world
Alan, I totally agree. Although IтАЩve almost achieved avoidance of calling Leftists as Liberal (I have solid respect for the latter, anywhere from regret to disdain for the former) if anyone catches me slipping up by saying тАЬLiberalтАЭ when IтАЩm referring to the latter -correct me pls.
IтАЩd like to avoid the labels as you suggest but itтАЩs tougher on a typed blog thread even though the labels really arenтАЩt fitting as you say. They would only fit issue by issue (I think тАЬLiberallyтАЭ on some things, тАЬConservativelyтАЭ on others).
I completely agree with your comment. While some things are absolutely Right or Wrong, the vast majority of issues are on a spectrum. Maybe we should refer to the color spectrum ЁЯЩВ
Maybe Bari Weiss can write about it in the future - but if we are going to defeat the beast of far left progressive neo- marxist /fascist ideology - which has been acceptable in тАЬcivil societyтАЭ we need to correctly label ideas . Liberal vs conservative is being used against all of us who love liberal / western philosophy
which is exactly the same push-back that people on the Left give when someone on that side is called out.
antisemtism is casually integrated into every aspect of society, and some areas of the Right have some obscene manifestations, like this one. The reason many of us are focusing on the Left right now is because of the way that Left has actually justified it and the hypocrisy that in the midst of the major push for 'diversity', when every other bias or racial hatred would be made into a national tragedy, the Jews somehow don't count. But it is just as gross - and frankly the core of the problem we now are encountering in our society, when we are unwilling to see the issues on 'our' side - when those on the Right gets self-righteous and will only call out the hyporcrisy on the Left. Antisemitism is an age-old institution that has thrived on both the Right and the Left.
Please give an example of anti-semitism integrated in our society? The article above doesnтАЩt even have an example of anti-semitism. The author, and some readers, simply jump to the conclusion that calling someone ugly is anti-Semitic. That says more about the people jumping to conclusions than it does about the accused.
You seem to be a good living example to start
well, one example would be casually utilizing methods that the nazis' used (physiognomy as a way to point to the inferiority of a particular people) and having most people not willing to acknowledge the antisemitic history, reference and uitlization of this, even when it is pointed out. It's not about calling someone 'ugly'; it's about calling attention to certain features that are prevalent in a certain group and demonizing them.. it's a form of ad hominem applied to a whole group. I could point out many, many examples of how normalizing Jew hatred and attacks as 'merely' a response to how 'evil' Israel is, and as only 'political'... and ignored by the people who are otherwise so vocal about the slightest whif of racism. I could point to the double standard that Israel is held to against any reasonable understanding about what is happening there. I could point to the casual usage/slippage in meaning of words like "Nazi" (anyone you don't agree with or don't like) 'concentration camp' (and kind of situation where things are unfair or uncomfortable) or 'holocaust' (you get the picture)... in order to slowly undermine the seriousness of the Jewish Holocaust and to minimize it;. Being told, when I call out antisemtism that it's not the 'time' for that.. and that we should care about every other groups' suffering and not have a concern about my own people. I could go on. and I had no requirement to answer your challenge. And, yes, pointing to and denigrating typical Jewish Physiognomy and using that as somehow 'proof' that a person is unworthy of consideration is very antisemitic. and I won't be responding to any more of these 'challenges'...
THIS. Sorry you had to take so much time to explain this to people who don't know history, sigh. But thank you.
No one gets a pass.
Both sides are doing the same thing.
The only brave ones are the ones calling it out in their own party.
The ones who are silent normalize the problem and make it worse.
"Both sides are doing the same thing"
NO. No, they are not. One side supports BDS and attacks Israel it dares to defend itself and commits OPEN acts of antisemitism - such as the violent attacks on Jews in L.A. and NYC about a year ago.
This articles calls out someone for making fun of another persons looks - and it is unclear if it is due to any racial/ethic/religious reason.
If you think the two are the same you are living a delusion.
You are reading my comment too literally. I intended to make a generalization, that anti Semitism is a problem on the right and the left, where people on both sides have remained silent when it comes from their own party. I agree that the specific acts of anti Semitism are very different on the right and the left. At the same time, I donтАЩt believe that it is productive to the discourse to compare one act to another and conclude that one is worse. My belief is that all such acts should be called out.
Both sides are doing тАЬthe same thingтАЭ? Really? Please provide examples of тАЬthe same thingтАЭ.
^^^
100%.
To me - the author was just looking hard to find some cases where a Republican can be called out as an antisemite - to try to balance all the jew hate coming out of Progressives. Well, if you have to stretch that far ... Really, this article just does more to show how desperate Progressives are too say ... "but Republican do it too" It's pathetic and what an epic fail.
I see another example of words=violence... How many people are following this guy? heard his name before? What kind of influence he has? And at the same time a тАЬdiversity, equity and inclusion senator for the Viterbi Graduate Student Association" in USC shares thoughts like
тАЬI want to kill every mother f**king ZionistтАЭ;
тАЬZionists are going to f**king payтАЭ;
тАЬDeath to Israel and its b**tch the USтАЭ and university refuses to deal with her! As a Jew from former Soviet Union I am very attuned to any kind of anti-Semitism and find above twits quite offensive. But I find current campus politics absolutely scary! Around 10 years ago Jewish kids I know were under direct attack from deranged Hamas supporter, she was writing "I know where you live, my friends will rape you" and so on, and UC leadership refused to deal with her...
Academia is a cesspool.
Temple University has Mark Lamont Hill ranting anti Semitic statements all the time and he is still employed.
The article by Douglas Murray may have тАЬstretchedтАЭ to find anti Semitism. BUT. It is true that there is anti Semitism on the right, and it should be called out - as rigorous as we call out the left. No one gets a pass.
I have had the misfortune of interacting with some right-wing antisemites. Are they representative of people on the right at large? Obviously not. Mr. Murray considers himself right-wing. I sure hope more people on the left would stand firm in challenging left wing antisemitism (or dehumanization of any kid, for that matter). The way I see it, Mr. Murray is the leading by example.
Yes, it takes courage to call out anti Semitism in your own party.
Those who donтАЩt normalize bad behavior.