Here we go again. A discussion about guns and “gun violence” without a balanced advocacy. An anti-gun nut paired with someone who “understands” people who have strong feelings about gun ownership. And more Orwellian “Newspeak”. I guess Bari wasn’t liberal enough for The NY Times. But that doesn’t mean she’s not liberal. This whole …
Here we go again. A discussion about guns and “gun violence” without a balanced advocacy. An anti-gun nut paired with someone who “understands” people who have strong feelings about gun ownership. And more Orwellian “Newspeak”. I guess Bari wasn’t liberal enough for The NY Times. But that doesn’t mean she’s not liberal. This whole article is a setup.
First of all, the use of the term “gun violence”. Guns are an inanimate object. They don’t get violent. But if they do, I suppose we have “knife and fork violence” that causes deadly health diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. Or in the news room, how about “paper violence”? After all, the false narratives of the MSM gets a lot of people all riled up causing them to get violent. Ask Steve Scaliese. They played a big role in the 2020 summer riots in concert with their Democrat friends to try to undermine the election. Oh, and paper causes paper cuts too….
The pen is mightier than the sword. The sword, in the wrong hands can cause grievous damage, so maybe it requires licensure too. How about the purveyor of words, like publishers of newspapers, magazines, blogs, Substack, tv shows, movies, music, etc? They certainly are the vessel that shapes the culture, which can cause grievous damage. Why not license them? I’d love to.
Think about the effect a corrupt media has - causing all sorts of false information to circulate to help or harm, candidates who in turn have tremendous power. Who controls positions in the dog catchers office to the White House is affected by the media, why shouldn’t they be licensed and regulated?
Ah….but you NEVER hear anything about that.
I am a responsible gun owner and am very careful about my weapons. I never wanted a gun until I had a business dispute where the losing party literally threatened to kill me. He shot up what he thought was my apartment. He took over a business with a load of weapons - hand guns, rifles, weapon style knives, bullet proof vests and the like and held off the police for hours.
And then? The liberal judge gave him a conditional guilty plea attached to a few years of probation. If he behaves during probation, his guilty plea is expunged and he’s free to buy more weapons. No record of his crime. Liberals like that. Why ruin his life for one silly incident?
He has enough money to pay someone to do his dirty work and travels with the kind of people who would.
So I apply for a concealed carry permit with the NYPD. Denied. Why? Well, if you see him harassing you, call the police. As if you can call the police in between the shot and it’s impact….
It cost me tens of thousands of dollars to ultimately get my permit. And I’m not just an honest citizen, I’m an officer of the court in five states.
Then I went to apply for one in NJ since my family has a home there as well. NJ is funny. First you go to the chief of police in your town. He can just say no. If he says yes, then a Superior Court judge can say no. When you get to the PD, the PD almost always says no. Period. NJ issues next to no licenses other than to retired law enforcement officers. And I say, well, I’ll appeal. And the chief reminds me that when I go to renew my NYPD li mess, I have to disclose that I was denied an application by another state, which is grounds for non-renewal in NY. So, with a smirk on his face, he said I should think twice before handing him my application. He threatened my NY license if I dared to try to defend myself from a violent felon. Amazing.
Now this violent felon has mental problems. Established mental problems.
That’s the thing that Bari and her guests - and all anti-gun nuts - never address.
As to the mass shootings, almost without fail, the person has mental illness. No one - NO ONE - in the anti gun world even thinks to ask “why is America producing so much mental illness? Why are so many people feeling dissociated from society? Why are so many people so VIOLENT, with bats, knives, guns, pushing people into traffic or in front of trains?”
Perhaps it’s because all of the above is a product of liberal policies and an examination of them will never do.
LBJ’s Great Society has undermined the nuclear family unit. Free money, food stamps/snap cards, housing allowances - you want to get out of your mother’s house? Have a baby!
No father in the house? No example to set for young boys growing up. Mothers too busy working to watch them or worse, mothers too stoned on crack or meth watching tv as they use their snap cards for cool ranch Doritos and soda. Liberals have purposefully entrapped “people of color” (another made up new age Newspeak phrase - do you wear jeans of blue or a shirt of white?) in urban plantations overrun with crime, violence, drugs and lousy schools, intentionally denying them real opportunity because they want them dependent on them for their daily needs which they gladly trade for their votes. They want them just where they are. Wading in drugs, violence and worse. It’s the softer version of slavery. Some POC see this, and that scares the daylights out of libs.
This is the result of the Great Society and all that followed in its wake and it’s no mistake. So much of the death by gun results from these dysfunctional cities and neighborhoods, but they refuse to do anything about it, other than doling out more freebies. Now they give up all pretense - equal opportunity (equality) is not enough. Now they want equality of outcome (equity).
Sex is trivialized - it’s transformed from the most tender manifestation of love to a physical act. Those who oppose guns have no problem in defending partial birth abortion. Oh, it’s just a small percentage of abortions. Hmmmm. Death by rifle is only 4% of gunshot death. Uh-oh….can’t have that conversation.
Movies, tv, music, video games - most of which are produced by liberal coastal elites - are filled with violence. Look at all the violence in the Marvel Universe movies that get mindlessly churned out - all by former family company Disney. Time was sex never came up on tv. Now, you can turn on Peacock by NBC and the first three lines of the first episode of the remake of Queer as Folk are all related to a receiving partner asking for his rectum to be violated more and more and more. Go watch a 10 year old episode of Law and Order and you’ll see voluptuous women in their underwear or even worse naked but mostly hidden engaging in simulated love acts.
Turn on the radio or your streamer and listen to the dominant music of the day - rap and gangster rap and all of the violent messages it carries. And you wonder why octogenarians from the 60s are still touring? When was the last time a true musical group which wrote their own stuff and performed it came to the fore? I saw Billy Joel’s Last Play At Shea and he marveled that he could sell out a 55,000 seat stadium without having had any new music in 30 years.
The left has proudly announced how they play the politic of identity which by its very nature turns large groups of people into opponents. They use divisive language like “pay your fair share” even as a huge part of their base pay noth8ng for their share and then they double down by using the 1% and lead people into the green monster of envy and anger because people who work hard have nice things while people on the dole do not.
And you wonder why there’s violence in urban centers causing the highest proportion of murder by any weapon and especially guns? And you wonder why it continues and spreads when you turn the police into enemies? Why crime escalates when police pull back as a result?
Liberals NEVER consider anything but guns when violent crime arises. They don’t examine their role in it.
They change the subject.
Assault weapons? None are for sale to civilians but they keep talking about it. An AR-15 has the same capabilities as a hunting rifle sold in 1950. It just has a different look to resemble a military weapon. That’s all the libs need to LIE about the rifles. And oh, of course, forget about the fact that only 4% of death by firearm comes from any kind of long gun. In 1965 Charles Whitman shot dozens of people from a tower in Texas with a rifle that was more powerful than an AR-15.
But we didn’t have so many people thinking they needed guns back then. And we didn’t have so many crazy people shooting up schools and night clubs. Yet the left refuses to ask why so many people are angry and dissociated. They just yell guns guns guns.
I'm not trying to be nit picky, I just don't see the evidence that you do for the idea that Australia is, overall, an equally or considerably more violent society than America.
The most important statistic I know of for overall criminality is the total incarceration rate. On that count, USA vs Australia: 629 vs 167.
Here we go again. A discussion about guns and “gun violence” without a balanced advocacy. An anti-gun nut paired with someone who “understands” people who have strong feelings about gun ownership. And more Orwellian “Newspeak”. I guess Bari wasn’t liberal enough for The NY Times. But that doesn’t mean she’s not liberal. This whole article is a setup.
First of all, the use of the term “gun violence”. Guns are an inanimate object. They don’t get violent. But if they do, I suppose we have “knife and fork violence” that causes deadly health diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. Or in the news room, how about “paper violence”? After all, the false narratives of the MSM gets a lot of people all riled up causing them to get violent. Ask Steve Scaliese. They played a big role in the 2020 summer riots in concert with their Democrat friends to try to undermine the election. Oh, and paper causes paper cuts too….
The pen is mightier than the sword. The sword, in the wrong hands can cause grievous damage, so maybe it requires licensure too. How about the purveyor of words, like publishers of newspapers, magazines, blogs, Substack, tv shows, movies, music, etc? They certainly are the vessel that shapes the culture, which can cause grievous damage. Why not license them? I’d love to.
Think about the effect a corrupt media has - causing all sorts of false information to circulate to help or harm, candidates who in turn have tremendous power. Who controls positions in the dog catchers office to the White House is affected by the media, why shouldn’t they be licensed and regulated?
Ah….but you NEVER hear anything about that.
I am a responsible gun owner and am very careful about my weapons. I never wanted a gun until I had a business dispute where the losing party literally threatened to kill me. He shot up what he thought was my apartment. He took over a business with a load of weapons - hand guns, rifles, weapon style knives, bullet proof vests and the like and held off the police for hours.
And then? The liberal judge gave him a conditional guilty plea attached to a few years of probation. If he behaves during probation, his guilty plea is expunged and he’s free to buy more weapons. No record of his crime. Liberals like that. Why ruin his life for one silly incident?
He has enough money to pay someone to do his dirty work and travels with the kind of people who would.
So I apply for a concealed carry permit with the NYPD. Denied. Why? Well, if you see him harassing you, call the police. As if you can call the police in between the shot and it’s impact….
It cost me tens of thousands of dollars to ultimately get my permit. And I’m not just an honest citizen, I’m an officer of the court in five states.
Then I went to apply for one in NJ since my family has a home there as well. NJ is funny. First you go to the chief of police in your town. He can just say no. If he says yes, then a Superior Court judge can say no. When you get to the PD, the PD almost always says no. Period. NJ issues next to no licenses other than to retired law enforcement officers. And I say, well, I’ll appeal. And the chief reminds me that when I go to renew my NYPD li mess, I have to disclose that I was denied an application by another state, which is grounds for non-renewal in NY. So, with a smirk on his face, he said I should think twice before handing him my application. He threatened my NY license if I dared to try to defend myself from a violent felon. Amazing.
Now this violent felon has mental problems. Established mental problems.
That’s the thing that Bari and her guests - and all anti-gun nuts - never address.
As to the mass shootings, almost without fail, the person has mental illness. No one - NO ONE - in the anti gun world even thinks to ask “why is America producing so much mental illness? Why are so many people feeling dissociated from society? Why are so many people so VIOLENT, with bats, knives, guns, pushing people into traffic or in front of trains?”
Perhaps it’s because all of the above is a product of liberal policies and an examination of them will never do.
LBJ’s Great Society has undermined the nuclear family unit. Free money, food stamps/snap cards, housing allowances - you want to get out of your mother’s house? Have a baby!
No father in the house? No example to set for young boys growing up. Mothers too busy working to watch them or worse, mothers too stoned on crack or meth watching tv as they use their snap cards for cool ranch Doritos and soda. Liberals have purposefully entrapped “people of color” (another made up new age Newspeak phrase - do you wear jeans of blue or a shirt of white?) in urban plantations overrun with crime, violence, drugs and lousy schools, intentionally denying them real opportunity because they want them dependent on them for their daily needs which they gladly trade for their votes. They want them just where they are. Wading in drugs, violence and worse. It’s the softer version of slavery. Some POC see this, and that scares the daylights out of libs.
This is the result of the Great Society and all that followed in its wake and it’s no mistake. So much of the death by gun results from these dysfunctional cities and neighborhoods, but they refuse to do anything about it, other than doling out more freebies. Now they give up all pretense - equal opportunity (equality) is not enough. Now they want equality of outcome (equity).
Sex is trivialized - it’s transformed from the most tender manifestation of love to a physical act. Those who oppose guns have no problem in defending partial birth abortion. Oh, it’s just a small percentage of abortions. Hmmmm. Death by rifle is only 4% of gunshot death. Uh-oh….can’t have that conversation.
Movies, tv, music, video games - most of which are produced by liberal coastal elites - are filled with violence. Look at all the violence in the Marvel Universe movies that get mindlessly churned out - all by former family company Disney. Time was sex never came up on tv. Now, you can turn on Peacock by NBC and the first three lines of the first episode of the remake of Queer as Folk are all related to a receiving partner asking for his rectum to be violated more and more and more. Go watch a 10 year old episode of Law and Order and you’ll see voluptuous women in their underwear or even worse naked but mostly hidden engaging in simulated love acts.
Turn on the radio or your streamer and listen to the dominant music of the day - rap and gangster rap and all of the violent messages it carries. And you wonder why octogenarians from the 60s are still touring? When was the last time a true musical group which wrote their own stuff and performed it came to the fore? I saw Billy Joel’s Last Play At Shea and he marveled that he could sell out a 55,000 seat stadium without having had any new music in 30 years.
The left has proudly announced how they play the politic of identity which by its very nature turns large groups of people into opponents. They use divisive language like “pay your fair share” even as a huge part of their base pay noth8ng for their share and then they double down by using the 1% and lead people into the green monster of envy and anger because people who work hard have nice things while people on the dole do not.
And you wonder why there’s violence in urban centers causing the highest proportion of murder by any weapon and especially guns? And you wonder why it continues and spreads when you turn the police into enemies? Why crime escalates when police pull back as a result?
Liberals NEVER consider anything but guns when violent crime arises. They don’t examine their role in it.
They change the subject.
Assault weapons? None are for sale to civilians but they keep talking about it. An AR-15 has the same capabilities as a hunting rifle sold in 1950. It just has a different look to resemble a military weapon. That’s all the libs need to LIE about the rifles. And oh, of course, forget about the fact that only 4% of death by firearm comes from any kind of long gun. In 1965 Charles Whitman shot dozens of people from a tower in Texas with a rifle that was more powerful than an AR-15.
But we didn’t have so many people thinking they needed guns back then. And we didn’t have so many crazy people shooting up schools and night clubs. Yet the left refuses to ask why so many people are angry and dissociated. They just yell guns guns guns.
Sad.
Golfer, as much as I want to agree with you on the dangers o Australia...
Australia murder rate: 0.9 / 100K
US murder rate: 5.0/ 100K
I did.
Rates per 100K people (Australia vs USA):
Robbery - 40 vs 86
Assault - 292 vs 246
https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Crime-Statistics/Assaults-Kidnapping-Robbery-Sexual-Rape/Assault-rate
https://knoema.com/atlas/Australia/Assault-rate
https://knoema.com/atlas/United-States-of-America/topics/Crime-Statistics/Assaults-Kidnapping-Robbery-Sexual-Rape/Robbery-rate
https://knoema.com/atlas/Australia/Robbery-rate
I'm not trying to be nit picky, I just don't see the evidence that you do for the idea that Australia is, overall, an equally or considerably more violent society than America.
The most important statistic I know of for overall criminality is the total incarceration rate. On that count, USA vs Australia: 629 vs 167.