We need to deal in facts:
"As of 2020, the leading cause of death among children is guns."
FALSE (this data, widely shared recently, includes 18 and 19 year olds who are not children)
"enhanced background checks for minors"
FALSE (minors, as in 17 year olds and younger, cannot legally buy firearms)
"As of 2020, the leading cause of death among children is guns."
FALSE (this data, widely shared recently, includes 18 and 19 year olds who are not children)
"enhanced background checks for minors"
FALSE (minors, as in 17 year olds and younger, cannot legally buy firearms)
We really need to ask ourselves "what is an adult" in the USA in 2022.
18 or 21? At what age can Americans enlist in the military; buy tobacco products; buy a long arm; buy a handgun; buy alcohol; decide that they want to medically alter their gender? It's inconsistent now.
T, I've been thinking about adult age as well this last week. It seems to me, if an 18 year old can't be trusted with a gun, they also shouldn't be trusted with a ballot.
So, given your point on what constitutes a legal age, T Reid - does it really matter? How about learning how to use a firearm, regardless of being either 18 or 21? In reading the interview the most resonant of the responses to me was the one dealing with simple registration and insurance of firearms, as in the purchase of automobiles. While I don't adhere to that exactly - the point I want to make is that it takes weeks to learn how to drive a car (it can kill people too), you need to take a course, and you need such training to get a license. And you need said license to walk into a showroom to buy one.
Why can't that be the way forward in purchasing a weapon? Even at the age of eighteen?
Everybody here is talking about black on black violence. Okay.
But what about what's happening a hundred times a minute in this country - somebody with no training (black or white) checks into a gun store or show, and half an hour later (!) walking out the proud owner of a weapon he or she has no idea how to use? Not understanding the responsibility? With all the ammunition they may not really need?
Civil Liberties cannot be licensed and taxed. Imagine needing government permission to vote or even make a post here.
Rights do have reasonable restrictions and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is already easily the most proscribed of all our civil liberties.
Any possible malfeasance with a firearm is already criminalized. But we enforce and prosecute these laws weakly, at best.
For instance, knowingly lying on the background check to buy a gun is punishable by 10 years in prison. There were over 100,000 attempts by denied parties to lie on Form 4473 to buy a gun a few years ago. The United States of America prosecuted...twelve (12). Get serious, drop the hammer.
Having said that, bad people are going to do bad things. In Norway a nutjob played along with all their gun laws and checks and regulations and killed more students than in any US mass murder in our history.
With respect - you did not read my comment through. I did not say I endorsed registering or taxing. I am merely comparing driving a car that could be a weapon with having a gun that is one. If we have to learn how to drive a car in order to buy one then I humbly suggest that we should learn how to responsibly own and use a firearm before we buy one, regardless of minimum age.
I am emphatically not trying to take anyone’s right to own a weapon - just pointing out the abject irony of making people learn how to drive but not doing the same when handling something that is designed to kill.
Respectfully, I did read your comment comparing a specific named individual civil liberty to a regulated commercial transaction (buying a car for use on public roads). They are definitely not in the same category.
I advocate and practice responsible exercise of civil liberties like the right to keep and bear arms, the right to vote, the right to free speech, free exercise of religion, etc.
The biggest change since then has been the decline of the family unit, in the form of fatherless families and the impact on sons, resulting from deliberately harmful liberal policies that seek to replace family and community with government. This is abundantly evident in urban centers.
I might add to your comment, Neil, that for all of my adult life I have watched increasingly violent protests become common place, and a general attitude that does not respect our form of goverment.
During the same period, attendance at churches, temples and mosques has suffered huge loses of congregants.
I do not know if, as I rapidly approach my 80s, I will ever see a democratic Republic worthy of respect. Thus I worry about the country in which my children and grandchildren will live.
Well, one thing that was different was that semiautomatic rifles with 30 round magazines (M1 Carbine, WW2 surplus) were sold all over the place, including hardware stores. No background checks or other post-Gun Control Act of 1968 restrictions. Guns don't seem to be the relevant variable.
Thank you for saying that. How can anyone, anywhere, at anytime have an honest and effective conversation when basic factual knowledge is missing and/or incorrect? It’s like one has to have a checklist of fundamental knowledge and walk through it before engaging in dialogue. One of the consequences of the Age of Information we, as a society, have yet to truly grapple with, I suppose.
Adult in what sense ? Some are 30 and they still have the mindset of a 12 year old . Don't know what they are putting in the water these days , but it sure ain't doing much good
Now we can red-flag Garlands “domestic terrorist” parents for attend school board meetings but we can’t red-flag a traitor like Swalwell admitting he was “sleeping with the enemy” Fang, Fang, Chinese intel agent.
And they, the government wonder why some don’t trust them?
We need to deal in facts:
"As of 2020, the leading cause of death among children is guns."
FALSE (this data, widely shared recently, includes 18 and 19 year olds who are not children)
"enhanced background checks for minors"
FALSE (minors, as in 17 year olds and younger, cannot legally buy firearms)
We really need to ask ourselves "what is an adult" in the USA in 2022.
18 or 21? At what age can Americans enlist in the military; buy tobacco products; buy a long arm; buy a handgun; buy alcohol; decide that they want to medically alter their gender? It's inconsistent now.
T, I've been thinking about adult age as well this last week. It seems to me, if an 18 year old can't be trusted with a gun, they also shouldn't be trusted with a ballot.
So, given your point on what constitutes a legal age, T Reid - does it really matter? How about learning how to use a firearm, regardless of being either 18 or 21? In reading the interview the most resonant of the responses to me was the one dealing with simple registration and insurance of firearms, as in the purchase of automobiles. While I don't adhere to that exactly - the point I want to make is that it takes weeks to learn how to drive a car (it can kill people too), you need to take a course, and you need such training to get a license. And you need said license to walk into a showroom to buy one.
Why can't that be the way forward in purchasing a weapon? Even at the age of eighteen?
Everybody here is talking about black on black violence. Okay.
But what about what's happening a hundred times a minute in this country - somebody with no training (black or white) checks into a gun store or show, and half an hour later (!) walking out the proud owner of a weapon he or she has no idea how to use? Not understanding the responsibility? With all the ammunition they may not really need?
Civil Liberties cannot be licensed and taxed. Imagine needing government permission to vote or even make a post here.
Rights do have reasonable restrictions and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is already easily the most proscribed of all our civil liberties.
Any possible malfeasance with a firearm is already criminalized. But we enforce and prosecute these laws weakly, at best.
For instance, knowingly lying on the background check to buy a gun is punishable by 10 years in prison. There were over 100,000 attempts by denied parties to lie on Form 4473 to buy a gun a few years ago. The United States of America prosecuted...twelve (12). Get serious, drop the hammer.
Having said that, bad people are going to do bad things. In Norway a nutjob played along with all their gun laws and checks and regulations and killed more students than in any US mass murder in our history.
The biggest problem we have at this moment is that prosecutors WILL NOT charge people for violating existing gun laws.
With respect - you did not read my comment through. I did not say I endorsed registering or taxing. I am merely comparing driving a car that could be a weapon with having a gun that is one. If we have to learn how to drive a car in order to buy one then I humbly suggest that we should learn how to responsibly own and use a firearm before we buy one, regardless of minimum age.
I am emphatically not trying to take anyone’s right to own a weapon - just pointing out the abject irony of making people learn how to drive but not doing the same when handling something that is designed to kill.
Strange - don’t you think??
Respectfully, I did read your comment comparing a specific named individual civil liberty to a regulated commercial transaction (buying a car for use on public roads). They are definitely not in the same category.
I advocate and practice responsible exercise of civil liberties like the right to keep and bear arms, the right to vote, the right to free speech, free exercise of religion, etc.
Thanks T Reid for debunking some of the "facts" discussed in the interviews.
I first noticed how fluid was the definition of a child during the past couple of decades.
For certain causes, a child could be the kid in your basement who last week turned 25.
For other causes, children were shown to be between 4 years old and 11 years old.
I was born during WWII and grew up during the 40s and 50s, largely in very rural areas.
Granted, my aged brain is not as sharp as it once thought it was, but I cannot think of a single mass school shooting during those decades.
Seems like nobody asks the question "what was different back then?"
The biggest change since then has been the decline of the family unit, in the form of fatherless families and the impact on sons, resulting from deliberately harmful liberal policies that seek to replace family and community with government. This is abundantly evident in urban centers.
I might add to your comment, Neil, that for all of my adult life I have watched increasingly violent protests become common place, and a general attitude that does not respect our form of goverment.
During the same period, attendance at churches, temples and mosques has suffered huge loses of congregants.
I do not know if, as I rapidly approach my 80s, I will ever see a democratic Republic worthy of respect. Thus I worry about the country in which my children and grandchildren will live.
Thank you Neil for your very accurate comment.
Very much agree. The government does not respect the people and the people do not respect the government. This will eventually break the country.
Well, one thing that was different was that semiautomatic rifles with 30 round magazines (M1 Carbine, WW2 surplus) were sold all over the place, including hardware stores. No background checks or other post-Gun Control Act of 1968 restrictions. Guns don't seem to be the relevant variable.
No one ever puts this together. "At what age can Americans enlist in the military" ... and carry a backpack nuke?
Thank you for saying that. How can anyone, anywhere, at anytime have an honest and effective conversation when basic factual knowledge is missing and/or incorrect? It’s like one has to have a checklist of fundamental knowledge and walk through it before engaging in dialogue. One of the consequences of the Age of Information we, as a society, have yet to truly grapple with, I suppose.
Adult in what sense ? Some are 30 and they still have the mindset of a 12 year old . Don't know what they are putting in the water these days , but it sure ain't doing much good
Ahhh so that's the scaremongering tactic. Inner-city urban teenagers kill each other, and leftist propagandists say, "children are dying from guns."
Anthony - yes. That is the current tactic. Pretending that 16-19 year olds killed in drug / gang shootings are innocent children.
And yet many of the mass shooters are known to those charged with doing the background checks, enforcing current gun laws.
Hunter Biden should be charged for lying on his gun application https://nypost.com/2021/03/29/hunter-biden-should-be-charged-for-lying-on-gun-application/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
Or, they plea bargain it down; Department of Justice Plea Bargain for Dontray Mills-Mostly Truth! -
https://www.truthorfiction.com/department-of-justice-plea-bargain-for-dontray-mills/
Now we can red-flag Garlands “domestic terrorist” parents for attend school board meetings but we can’t red-flag a traitor like Swalwell admitting he was “sleeping with the enemy” Fang, Fang, Chinese intel agent.
And they, the government wonder why some don’t trust them?
If so, and it wasn't clear, then yes. Background info into the "denied party" list for the NICS database should have comprehensive sources.
you do realize the FBI and others farm out background checks to the lowest bidder , not a good idea . The checks should be thorough