LOL, just no. No way am I supporting forever wars of convenience for fickle and incompetent leadership. Being in the military today is a sucker play. How many limbs and lives lost in Afghanistan? And for what?
LOL, just no. No way am I supporting forever wars of convenience for fickle and incompetent leadership. Being in the military today is a sucker play. How many limbs and lives lost in Afghanistan? And for what?
First, no one is asking Americans to fight, the analogy to Afghanistan doesn't work.
Second, I grew up on Holloman Air Force Base during the Vietnam War. The 366th Fighter Wing was based at Holloman and went to Vietnam. Men were lost. Men who I knew and looked up to. Vietnam was certainly no more or less sensical than Afghanistan. For you to say that military service is a sucker play, now or then, or at any time, is disgraceful. Shame on you. The Revolutionary War only looks good because we won, as we were routed from NYC it sure didn't look like a good bet. People who see the world like you, would have thought all the Revolutionary War Soldiers at that time whot stayed and fought, were idiots.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, the US was in Afghanistan under Bush II, Obama, Trump, and Biden. All produced fickle and incompetent leadership?
I'm guessing you don't think so. I'm guessing team Chris let's one of these guys off the hook.
Are there any principles you would fight for, or is it, just what's in it for you?
Hi Donald. Thank you for a thoughtful reply. I think the military has become a sucker play because the men and women who love our country and want to serve are sent into harm by people like Biden, Obama, and Bush who 1) think the classes that traditionally have supplied our fighting men and women (not JAGs like Beau Biden) are тАШdeplorableтАЩ, and 2) our leaders are beyond (or below)incompetent. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, were all wars where the sacrifices we asked of soldiers were in vain. I supported Iraq and Afghanistan (too young for Vietnam) but IтАЩve learned my lesson. DonтАЩt trust our тАШleadersтАЩ. If you havenтАЩt learned this lesson, wellтАж
The Revolutionary War was won in part because of leadership. We donтАЩt have that anymore.
Not Cajun, the name is Huguenot, but I'm an American mutt, from Mayflower descendant to my great grandfather who showed up in Boston in May 1916 from Ireland, very suspicious for narrowly escaping a noose or English bullet given the timing. I did work oil field supply in the Gulf for a time after high school, and have a great appreciation for Cajun food and music - but most of the time I could barely understand what they were saying.
For an interesting study of how the Revolutionary War was won I can highly recommend Philbrick's In the Hurricane's Eye.
The Colonies certainly had some excellent leadership, even on the military side, but some crumby leadership too. But from bottom to top it was a commitment to the principle that saw the cause through.
But the fault lies with us, the people, for the poor current leadership. And a big part of that is the way we think about our politics. We look for divisions not commonalities.
The "deplorable" bit above is a perfect example. I didn't vote for W Bush, but he certainly didn't have the deplorable outlook, his dad (H Bush, who I did vote for) was an actual war hero. And Biden grew up in the middle of middle class PA, in Deer Hunter territory, he doesn't have that outlook either. Does Hillary? Apparently. But you are painting with way too broad a brush. It seems there was a recent President who did call military service members - suckers.
In the late 60s we went to military funerals for pilots lost in Vietnam. Leaving the funeral we were yelled at, and would have stuff thrown at our cars. That didn't make me think less of our men's sacrifice. As a kid I wasn't very happy with the jerks throwing stuff. But as an adult, it was clear those people were just being upfront about how little they understood about the forces and circumstances that allowed them to lead the wonderful lives they could lead being Americans.
In the spirit of your very civil reply (which I very much appreciate), I would like to respectfully suggest that the life style you lead, or could lead, as an American is amazing and due to a very large part to the service and sacrifice of generations of American service men and women. And toward that end was to some extent or another, the reason they made the sacrifices they did. Their service was not in vain, the political decisions that placed them in harm's way may have been unwarranted and disrespectful of the motivation that drives their service - but their service is still fully honorable. If we placed them somewhere unworthy, that is on us - and that includes you and me.
Congressman Dan Crenshaw from Texas (I used to live in his district and certainly would vote for him) has some interesting thoughts about the idea that service men and women are suckers. I can highly recommend that you don't share that opinion to his face.
As for me, I'm looking for the next TR. I hope Dan is candidate for that role - although he was born to American parent in Scotland, so maybe President is out of the running.
LOL, just no. No way am I supporting forever wars of convenience for fickle and incompetent leadership. Being in the military today is a sucker play. How many limbs and lives lost in Afghanistan? And for what?
Chris, a couple of things here.
First, no one is asking Americans to fight, the analogy to Afghanistan doesn't work.
Second, I grew up on Holloman Air Force Base during the Vietnam War. The 366th Fighter Wing was based at Holloman and went to Vietnam. Men were lost. Men who I knew and looked up to. Vietnam was certainly no more or less sensical than Afghanistan. For you to say that military service is a sucker play, now or then, or at any time, is disgraceful. Shame on you. The Revolutionary War only looks good because we won, as we were routed from NYC it sure didn't look like a good bet. People who see the world like you, would have thought all the Revolutionary War Soldiers at that time whot stayed and fought, were idiots.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, the US was in Afghanistan under Bush II, Obama, Trump, and Biden. All produced fickle and incompetent leadership?
I'm guessing you don't think so. I'm guessing team Chris let's one of these guys off the hook.
Are there any principles you would fight for, or is it, just what's in it for you?
Seems like we've heard that somewhere before.
Hi Donald. Thank you for a thoughtful reply. I think the military has become a sucker play because the men and women who love our country and want to serve are sent into harm by people like Biden, Obama, and Bush who 1) think the classes that traditionally have supplied our fighting men and women (not JAGs like Beau Biden) are тАШdeplorableтАЩ, and 2) our leaders are beyond (or below)incompetent. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, were all wars where the sacrifices we asked of soldiers were in vain. I supported Iraq and Afghanistan (too young for Vietnam) but IтАЩve learned my lesson. DonтАЩt trust our тАШleadersтАЩ. If you havenтАЩt learned this lesson, wellтАж
The Revolutionary War was won in part because of leadership. We donтАЩt have that anymore.
BYW, are you Cajun?
Not Cajun, the name is Huguenot, but I'm an American mutt, from Mayflower descendant to my great grandfather who showed up in Boston in May 1916 from Ireland, very suspicious for narrowly escaping a noose or English bullet given the timing. I did work oil field supply in the Gulf for a time after high school, and have a great appreciation for Cajun food and music - but most of the time I could barely understand what they were saying.
For an interesting study of how the Revolutionary War was won I can highly recommend Philbrick's In the Hurricane's Eye.
The Colonies certainly had some excellent leadership, even on the military side, but some crumby leadership too. But from bottom to top it was a commitment to the principle that saw the cause through.
But the fault lies with us, the people, for the poor current leadership. And a big part of that is the way we think about our politics. We look for divisions not commonalities.
The "deplorable" bit above is a perfect example. I didn't vote for W Bush, but he certainly didn't have the deplorable outlook, his dad (H Bush, who I did vote for) was an actual war hero. And Biden grew up in the middle of middle class PA, in Deer Hunter territory, he doesn't have that outlook either. Does Hillary? Apparently. But you are painting with way too broad a brush. It seems there was a recent President who did call military service members - suckers.
In the late 60s we went to military funerals for pilots lost in Vietnam. Leaving the funeral we were yelled at, and would have stuff thrown at our cars. That didn't make me think less of our men's sacrifice. As a kid I wasn't very happy with the jerks throwing stuff. But as an adult, it was clear those people were just being upfront about how little they understood about the forces and circumstances that allowed them to lead the wonderful lives they could lead being Americans.
In the spirit of your very civil reply (which I very much appreciate), I would like to respectfully suggest that the life style you lead, or could lead, as an American is amazing and due to a very large part to the service and sacrifice of generations of American service men and women. And toward that end was to some extent or another, the reason they made the sacrifices they did. Their service was not in vain, the political decisions that placed them in harm's way may have been unwarranted and disrespectful of the motivation that drives their service - but their service is still fully honorable. If we placed them somewhere unworthy, that is on us - and that includes you and me.
Congressman Dan Crenshaw from Texas (I used to live in his district and certainly would vote for him) has some interesting thoughts about the idea that service men and women are suckers. I can highly recommend that you don't share that opinion to his face.
As for me, I'm looking for the next TR. I hope Dan is candidate for that role - although he was born to American parent in Scotland, so maybe President is out of the running.