AI images aren't for artists, they're for businesses who don't want to pay artists. They don't care that the images are soulless, they just want more control over the process of selling images and using images to sell things. DALL-E won't be used to make art, it will be used for advertisements (already ugly) and entertainment (just barely interesting to the numb and trained.)
AI images aren't for artists, they're for businesses who don't want to pay artists. They don't care that the images are soulless, they just want more control over the process of selling images and using images to sell things. DALL-E won't be used to make art, it will be used for advertisements (already ugly) and entertainment (just barely interesting to the numb and trained.)
ItтАЩs also for people who canтАЩt afford artists but who have use for custom illustration. I have the pedestrian hobby of playing role playing games with friends online and would gladly take advantage of quick, consistent, illustration that was a bit uninspired- whereas I am not going to spend money on an illustrator for what is essentially an involved way to hang out with a few friends spread out across the country
Good example on where this can be a good thing. There is no loser in that case because $$$ isn't being taken away from anyone else. As an old D&D player myself, I can see how this could make things better... more fun for everyone. I just have contests with friends on who can come up with the best piece and there is quite a bit of creativity involved. There are potential negatives here but also some positives.
That's the bigger issue. I've already said elsewhere that it is still "art" in a sense because art is in the eye of the beholder, not just in the artistic process. There is also a certain amount of creativity involved. It should just go into a different category of art.
I use it (Midjourney) and find it fun and therapeutic. However, what happens to those in the profession of the graphic arts and related fields. This is free and companies have already used it for articles, magazine covers, etc. When a person knows the system they can come up with things that are just as amazing as what a graphic artist would come up with and it's all open source. That's the ethical dilemma to me. Are businesses going to pay professionals when they can do things for free? Of course not.
Iconography, image's and symbol's are a projection of an inner world human reality, in antiquity, often expressing something language could not fully describe. The airbrushing, creation, and placement of images and symbol's, for the express purposes of psychological manipulation and outcome, by business and political propagandist's, is now so common place, daily life so subsumed with its presence, we hardly notice it but, we are not immune from its impact. It's like a drip feed narcotic that shapes unconscious reality, numbs the senses and blunts perception of the world almost in the same way an addict seeks to escape it. The narcosis is apparent in the person unable to detach themselves from their cell phones. There is a toxicity in it. Especially electronics. In some aspects the entire article and discussion is the equivalent of junkies talking about a new form of smack. Are we losing objective human reality and imagination to a manipulated, manufactured and heavily propagandized cyber entity? Where's the line?
How many times on the "net" has a depth conversation between people you respect been bludgeoned and your chain of thought and emotional connection destroyed by the mindless continuous blaring insertion of meaningless ads which seemingly take no notice of the legitimate human experience being engaged? If real ART, by word, brush or stone is an attempt at the human transcendent isn't the real question at hand how do we come to terms with the overload of a profane anti-human reality that not only denies the sacred but seeks to abolish it all together?
There are all levels of art. If you are talking iconography you are on a higher level and using more of an art history term. Years ago when my then 5 year old daughter drew a crayon picture of the tree outside, it was still art but the term iconography wouldn't come to mind. There are also brilliant paintings that are portraits or scenery in which the artist isn't attempting to do something that language cannot fully describe. Art is a big field.
Still, I agree with much of what you say. Narcosis, toxicity, the addiction, etc. I'm keenly aware of it and have my feelers up all the time because it's everywhere. Even with general information overload on the internet, few people spend time to comprehend and think through information. Since technology isn't going anywhere and getting worse as far as true social connection goes, the question become about what do we do with it? I believe it's about understanding the game and having some control as opposed to just mindlessly taking it in. The problem with that is I find that a lot of people simply don't want to do that, they like the addiction and it kind of goes into Fahrenheit 451 territory. It's a far bigger subject and problem than AI art. My choices are to figure out how to deal with it by understanding what's going on or "getting off the grid" and living in a cave. On the general subject my guess is that we would almost completely agree.
AI art is a "what do we do with it" situation because it's not going anywhere and will become more and more prevalent. I can see it as a form of art based on the outcome but in it's own category as I said. When I play around with it I actually do use creativity & sometimes try to stump it. If something comes out of it unexpectedly as is often the case, it leads my mind into thinking of other ideas so for me it's not entirely a mindless process. I'm a musician, a song writer, so I do understand the whole creative process in making something and this isn't that but I don't think it's all bad. The pitfalls become the larger junkie parts of tech in general as well monetization issues or yes, propaganda. Those things of course already exist, they are already problems, so this is just a new layer. In general on a larger scale these tech droning things are things we both have to be aware of and plan a strategy so we are not just blown about like the wind. IMO.
Correct. I think one positive in holding an objective meaningful center in the best sense is what we're attempting on Substack. I always find myself feeling extreme when I use the word psyop but the heavy investment in misinformation and obfuscation by people who should have my family's best interest at heart leaves me with no other option. We need a new American dialogue. The Assange object lesson and the war on truth speakers on all fronts is frightening. What's the John Lennon line in GIVE PEACE A CHANCE: "..keep talking'"
Agreed and having a good conversation like this on FB would be nearly impossible. Misinformation and obfuscation seems to lead to social media conversations where people already know the answer to the dialogue becomes us vs. them. On things like this and so many other things, "...keep talking" is the answer. I say that because some of my current opinions on these things may change. They are not set. Having good conversations with others has often changed my stance on issues because they see something that I had not considered. Yes indeed, keep talking and there may be hope for us yet.
AI images aren't for artists, they're for businesses who don't want to pay artists. They don't care that the images are soulless, they just want more control over the process of selling images and using images to sell things. DALL-E won't be used to make art, it will be used for advertisements (already ugly) and entertainment (just barely interesting to the numb and trained.)
ItтАЩs also for people who canтАЩt afford artists but who have use for custom illustration. I have the pedestrian hobby of playing role playing games with friends online and would gladly take advantage of quick, consistent, illustration that was a bit uninspired- whereas I am not going to spend money on an illustrator for what is essentially an involved way to hang out with a few friends spread out across the country
Good example on where this can be a good thing. There is no loser in that case because $$$ isn't being taken away from anyone else. As an old D&D player myself, I can see how this could make things better... more fun for everyone. I just have contests with friends on who can come up with the best piece and there is quite a bit of creativity involved. There are potential negatives here but also some positives.
That's the bigger issue. I've already said elsewhere that it is still "art" in a sense because art is in the eye of the beholder, not just in the artistic process. There is also a certain amount of creativity involved. It should just go into a different category of art.
I use it (Midjourney) and find it fun and therapeutic. However, what happens to those in the profession of the graphic arts and related fields. This is free and companies have already used it for articles, magazine covers, etc. When a person knows the system they can come up with things that are just as amazing as what a graphic artist would come up with and it's all open source. That's the ethical dilemma to me. Are businesses going to pay professionals when they can do things for free? Of course not.
Iconography, image's and symbol's are a projection of an inner world human reality, in antiquity, often expressing something language could not fully describe. The airbrushing, creation, and placement of images and symbol's, for the express purposes of psychological manipulation and outcome, by business and political propagandist's, is now so common place, daily life so subsumed with its presence, we hardly notice it but, we are not immune from its impact. It's like a drip feed narcotic that shapes unconscious reality, numbs the senses and blunts perception of the world almost in the same way an addict seeks to escape it. The narcosis is apparent in the person unable to detach themselves from their cell phones. There is a toxicity in it. Especially electronics. In some aspects the entire article and discussion is the equivalent of junkies talking about a new form of smack. Are we losing objective human reality and imagination to a manipulated, manufactured and heavily propagandized cyber entity? Where's the line?
How many times on the "net" has a depth conversation between people you respect been bludgeoned and your chain of thought and emotional connection destroyed by the mindless continuous blaring insertion of meaningless ads which seemingly take no notice of the legitimate human experience being engaged? If real ART, by word, brush or stone is an attempt at the human transcendent isn't the real question at hand how do we come to terms with the overload of a profane anti-human reality that not only denies the sacred but seeks to abolish it all together?
Just sayin'.
There are all levels of art. If you are talking iconography you are on a higher level and using more of an art history term. Years ago when my then 5 year old daughter drew a crayon picture of the tree outside, it was still art but the term iconography wouldn't come to mind. There are also brilliant paintings that are portraits or scenery in which the artist isn't attempting to do something that language cannot fully describe. Art is a big field.
Still, I agree with much of what you say. Narcosis, toxicity, the addiction, etc. I'm keenly aware of it and have my feelers up all the time because it's everywhere. Even with general information overload on the internet, few people spend time to comprehend and think through information. Since technology isn't going anywhere and getting worse as far as true social connection goes, the question become about what do we do with it? I believe it's about understanding the game and having some control as opposed to just mindlessly taking it in. The problem with that is I find that a lot of people simply don't want to do that, they like the addiction and it kind of goes into Fahrenheit 451 territory. It's a far bigger subject and problem than AI art. My choices are to figure out how to deal with it by understanding what's going on or "getting off the grid" and living in a cave. On the general subject my guess is that we would almost completely agree.
AI art is a "what do we do with it" situation because it's not going anywhere and will become more and more prevalent. I can see it as a form of art based on the outcome but in it's own category as I said. When I play around with it I actually do use creativity & sometimes try to stump it. If something comes out of it unexpectedly as is often the case, it leads my mind into thinking of other ideas so for me it's not entirely a mindless process. I'm a musician, a song writer, so I do understand the whole creative process in making something and this isn't that but I don't think it's all bad. The pitfalls become the larger junkie parts of tech in general as well monetization issues or yes, propaganda. Those things of course already exist, they are already problems, so this is just a new layer. In general on a larger scale these tech droning things are things we both have to be aware of and plan a strategy so we are not just blown about like the wind. IMO.
Correct. I think one positive in holding an objective meaningful center in the best sense is what we're attempting on Substack. I always find myself feeling extreme when I use the word psyop but the heavy investment in misinformation and obfuscation by people who should have my family's best interest at heart leaves me with no other option. We need a new American dialogue. The Assange object lesson and the war on truth speakers on all fronts is frightening. What's the John Lennon line in GIVE PEACE A CHANCE: "..keep talking'"
Catch you on the turn around.
Agreed and having a good conversation like this on FB would be nearly impossible. Misinformation and obfuscation seems to lead to social media conversations where people already know the answer to the dialogue becomes us vs. them. On things like this and so many other things, "...keep talking" is the answer. I say that because some of my current opinions on these things may change. They are not set. Having good conversations with others has often changed my stance on issues because they see something that I had not considered. Yes indeed, keep talking and there may be hope for us yet.
So, you're admitting the existence of the Soul. LOL