I’m withholding judgment of the police until a thorough investigation is conducted and reported out. I’ve been reading elsewhere comments by current and former officers regarding the type of door the classroom had, which may have been installed with security features meant to make them harder to breach. Harder to breach to keep shooter…
I’m withholding judgment of the police until a thorough investigation is conducted and reported out. I’ve been reading elsewhere comments by current and former officers regarding the type of door the classroom had, which may have been installed with security features meant to make them harder to breach. Harder to breach to keep shooters out. According the comments I’m reading, once the shooter was inside the classroom and the door was locked, only certain powerful breaching tools would have opened it, and the officers may not have had that equipment, which is why they had to find the person with the key. From what I’m reading, it doesn’t matter how hard the officers tried, without the right equipment or key they weren’t getting through that door, so standing in front of it getting shot was pointless. Their sacrifice wasn’t going to save children. I’m not saying this is accurate. This is what I’m reading from people who do the job these officers were asked to do, so I’m not judging until there is more information.
You’re a fellow kayaker, so I’d like you anyway, but I am with you on your post too. I want to know more because it just does not seem we know everything. One of the cops’ own kid was in that school, I also heard. Could you post where you are reading what you say here? Thanks.
Public law enforcement support groups on FB. One of the interesting things on some of the pages is when they disagree on tactics because they have received different training or different experience. Or they are from an older or younger generation. Not all police think alike and it makes you think more about these issues.
Thank you. I have read the same thing, from a retired officer who is a member of a group I am part of. She had several details missing here.
For those rushing to judge, without having been on the scene, the fallout from the viciousness of the self-righteous will leave more destruction in its wake. For the commenter, who encouraged they commit suicide, I hope that you never find yourself in a situation where you are the source of publicized hatred.
Not theater. If the doors have been reinforced, then it was with the purpose of putting a barrier between a shooter and teachers and students. Unfortunately, there are always situations we can’t plan for - like someone not following protocol and propping a door open that is supposed to be shut - which is also being reported to have happened in Uvalde. Key word reported. Anyway, I think I’m going to step away from the conversation now. Still so much information we don’t know. Hate speculating.
The central issue I see here is the propped door and the failure to follow protocols. The teacher who propped the door supposedly called 911 at 11:30, after seeing the shooter firing at people by the funeral home across the street. The shooter apparently did not enter the school until 11:33, through that propped door.
Three minutes is a LONG time in that situation. Why didn't the teacher close the door instead of leaving it propped? Why didn't she call for a lockdown when she went inside to grab her phone (to call 911)? If she did let others in the school know about the shooter nearby, why didn't the teachers all close and lock their doors in that three-minute interval? Some of them did, but others--the ones in the adjoining rooms where the shooter locked the door(?) against the police--did not. Why?
I’m withholding judgment of the police until a thorough investigation is conducted and reported out. I’ve been reading elsewhere comments by current and former officers regarding the type of door the classroom had, which may have been installed with security features meant to make them harder to breach. Harder to breach to keep shooters out. According the comments I’m reading, once the shooter was inside the classroom and the door was locked, only certain powerful breaching tools would have opened it, and the officers may not have had that equipment, which is why they had to find the person with the key. From what I’m reading, it doesn’t matter how hard the officers tried, without the right equipment or key they weren’t getting through that door, so standing in front of it getting shot was pointless. Their sacrifice wasn’t going to save children. I’m not saying this is accurate. This is what I’m reading from people who do the job these officers were asked to do, so I’m not judging until there is more information.
You’re a fellow kayaker, so I’d like you anyway, but I am with you on your post too. I want to know more because it just does not seem we know everything. One of the cops’ own kid was in that school, I also heard. Could you post where you are reading what you say here? Thanks.
Public law enforcement support groups on FB. One of the interesting things on some of the pages is when they disagree on tactics because they have received different training or different experience. Or they are from an older or younger generation. Not all police think alike and it makes you think more about these issues.
I appreciate your comment contributions. Thank you.
Thank you. I have read the same thing, from a retired officer who is a member of a group I am part of. She had several details missing here.
For those rushing to judge, without having been on the scene, the fallout from the viciousness of the self-righteous will leave more destruction in its wake. For the commenter, who encouraged they commit suicide, I hope that you never find yourself in a situation where you are the source of publicized hatred.
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Not theater. If the doors have been reinforced, then it was with the purpose of putting a barrier between a shooter and teachers and students. Unfortunately, there are always situations we can’t plan for - like someone not following protocol and propping a door open that is supposed to be shut - which is also being reported to have happened in Uvalde. Key word reported. Anyway, I think I’m going to step away from the conversation now. Still so much information we don’t know. Hate speculating.
The central issue I see here is the propped door and the failure to follow protocols. The teacher who propped the door supposedly called 911 at 11:30, after seeing the shooter firing at people by the funeral home across the street. The shooter apparently did not enter the school until 11:33, through that propped door.
Three minutes is a LONG time in that situation. Why didn't the teacher close the door instead of leaving it propped? Why didn't she call for a lockdown when she went inside to grab her phone (to call 911)? If she did let others in the school know about the shooter nearby, why didn't the teachers all close and lock their doors in that three-minute interval? Some of them did, but others--the ones in the adjoining rooms where the shooter locked the door(?) against the police--did not. Why?