Entire ordeal in Uvalde was painful to watch. So much tragedy at one place. These officers are disgrace to their uniforms.
I will write here an unpopular opinion.
But to be honest, for years police has issues at attracting best and the brightest. Police work has been demonized to extreme. In 2020 this went to overdrive, police everywhere…
Entire ordeal in Uvalde was painful to watch. So much tragedy at one place. These officers are disgrace to their uniforms.
I will write here an unpopular opinion.
But to be honest, for years police has issues at attracting best and the brightest. Police work has been demonized to extreme. In 2020 this went to overdrive, police everywhere have been called racist, white supremacists, supporters of systemic racism, main causes of problems in US inner cities. This has been trumpeted for years now, many of young men and women wont take that job due to stigma that it comes. That they are guilty for everything bad that happens that is related to police work. US is nation of 330 million people, after George Floyd killing, every single police officer was being called out as they were murderers themself. And job itself is stressful enough, people are underpaid, due to bad policies streets are getting more lawless by the day, all the while large part of population hates your guts because you are supposedly "supporting systemic racism".
Who in the right mind will take such a job? No wonder police officers are retiring left and right in big numbers.
Many good candidates don't apply, and sadly many with authoritarian tendencies do, usually those who think that Badge is excuse for power trip with no accountability.
Sadly this incident will further be used for political purposes to demonize police and their work. Yes these men are cowards and have discrased their uniform, but there are thousands of officers that risk their life every day, but we will never read about them in the newspapers.
As long this senseless attacks by MSM and politicians on our police don't stop and police work as whole gets its respect that it deserves, there will be no improvement. Less and less good people will want to serve, especially with ever belligerent part of population that sees criminals as victims and police as perpetrators.
"Sadly this incident will further be used for political purposes to demonize police and their work." My fear is it will be used instead as way to let these officers off the hook in the name of strict gun control. I can hear their arguments now: No one should be required to volunteer their lives for others. In fact, raw courage and masculinity have no place in our society, and we'd all be better off if these traits - and the weapons they often employ in defense of the innocent - were removed.
smits3, can femininity have raw courage? Also, would you please define raw courage and masculinity so I can better understand whether they should have a place in our society?
Yes, sure it can. By raw courage, I mean the willingness to regularly and unquestioningly put oneself at high risk of severe injury or death in service of a cause. That which is typical of soldiering, for example. Historically, such courage has been more typically and widely exemplified in the male of the human species, though not always, and is thus seen as more generally a masculine trait. As for your last insinuation, societies which lack some amount of masculine courage don’t last long.
I am not cowed by the thought and word police and others are also speaking truth. But their words are being intentionally blocked, twisted, maligned by bad actors. We all need to unflinchingly use our right of free speech. Doing so is the only road out of this societal morass of bizarre woke thinking and the crowd lynching promulgated by the far left. Never never never stop speaking out. Have courage and be willing to take the hits that will inevitably occur.
I totally agree--I attended a University of Notre Dame reconciliation event in the wake of the George Floyd murder because I happened to be visiting friends who wanted to attend. There were several policemen in attendance and to each I went up and said, "Thank you for your service". Each of them almost cringed as I approached and then said with visible relief and gratitude, "Thank you, I really appreciate it."
Whatever the connection may or may not be between those Indiana cops and the demoralized and cowardly Texas cops two years later, I have to think you are spot on in identifying the fundamental problem.
We get the police force we deserve--just as we get the politicians and government we deserve--and in both cases we better be prepared to look in the mirror and see who the real problem is. If we're not actively destroying America, we are tolerating those who are. Who are the real passive cowards? We are.
God bless David French, Mike Medders, Torre Mallard and the heroic, selfless and loving Americans like them who made this country great. From this moment on, we should begin acting more like them.
Raziel: I think that what you are sharing here is spot on. I don’t think your opinion will be particularly unpopular in this setting. Most people here are at least willing to consider the viewpoints of others. If my wife has said it once, she’s said it 500 times, “Who today would want to become a police officer?” She makes a great point. The plethora of baseless criticisms (always foisted from cowards and/or intellectually challenged talking heads), the idea of defunding, and the “reimagining of policing” (you know, replacing law enforcement with social workers with good intentions) to “protect and serve.” Uh huh. That’ll work. And, oh, by the way, watch what is happening with teachers across the nations. The best and brightest are overly represented in the crowd of those who are “reimagining” their careers.
When I was young and stupid, I walked away from my classes in my junior year of college and joined the Army. After four months of basic and advanced infantry training, I went to Ft. Benning and went to jump school. Unlike some officers who went to jump school just to get their ticket punched, I was dedicated to being in and airborne unit and after completing SF training, I served two years as a demolitionist in an A-Team.
The upshot of this is, there is a culture and storied tradition that airborne troops have and that is you don't quit. It is engrained in your psyche. During the D Day invasion most of the airborne units were dropped where they weren't supposed to be dropped. They were scattered all over the area. In some cases, miles from their objective.
That didn't bother them at all. They banned together in groups of two, three or a dozen and they ran toward the sound of gunfire. Many of them linked up with people not from their own unit but they knew what to do and that was to kill the enemy. Like Shakespear's Henry V, they were a band of brothers.
Until you have served in a highly motivated combat unit, you will never understand the love you have for the men you serve with. I can't accurately describe it. It is an intense, visceral feeling. You know that the men on your left and right will die for you and you for them.
Do police forces have this same motivation? I don't know but until they do, they will wait outside the door.
I believe that some do. And, in larger cities, they have specialized units for this sort of thing. Still, I’m sure there are plenty of “beat cops” who would crash a door to save kids from being slaughtered.
Your story is moving and I commend you and those like you. But to compare that to the Uvalde PD is apples and oranges. Police officers are not soldiers. Nor should we want them to be.
You are absolutely correct. "Police officers are not soldiers. Nor should we want them to be." If you treat police like military, you are in danger of having Gestapo not police.
However, if you have repetitive, intensive, training, you build a bond with those being trained and hopefully through that bond, they kick the door down and no just wait outside.
Raziel, you’re absolutely right; how dare the Washington Post report that in 2021 the police killed at least 1,055 people, the most since they began tracking police killings. I mean, how impertinent that the MSM report about: police brutality, police being members of the Oath Keepers militia and other white supremacy groups, police abusing their authority and lying, and police departments being investigated by the Justice Department. The MSM must not report any wrongdoing by the police and lie to make them look good. And oh yes, garbage collectors do a more dangerous job than police officers, who rank only number 22 in the most perilous job category.
Tool, You show Your ignorance every time You post. IT's a good thing You're just a TROLL, and I can just laugh it off. Actually, it's sort-a sad. That You parade Your ignorance and call Yourself wise. If You weren't a TROLL.. Well, because You ARE a troll, I'll go on an PITY You.
Oh, learned one, perched upon the podium of knowledge, please bestow upon me your understanding of how the police are being maligned to the core by the MSM! I’m looking forward to your reply with bated breath!
I limit myself to two comments per TROLL. I tried to find out what You'd previously posted, but it was too much work. Basically, You're wrong per usual. I think You get overly wrought and don't think through things. Doesn't take anyone learned. And I'm perched upon the podium of making a huge number of mistakes and trying to learn from them. You should try it sometime.
You know the phrase "Monday morning quarterback?" You have any interest in sports at all? *Everybody* knows how someone else should-a done. How many look at themselves with the same scrutiny. See, by Your behavior, You don't appear to do that anywhere near enough.
Would You have someone "talk" to You the same way You talk to others? I give You the rough side-a my tongue to give You examples. You haven't learned a thing yet. Judge Yourself as harshly as YOu judge others. It'll work wonders, wonder boy.
I agree with you. Your comments are not unpopular l, they are what most people are thinking. The police were cowards for sure but honestly I can’t help but think you get cowards eventually when you browbeat people. At this point all of this pretty writing doesn’t move my heart, until every last democrat and repents for being the party of police browbeating ! And quits biting these people to office period!
This might be an unpopular opinion. But it has occurred to me and others that I know more than once. It's actually obvious if you think about it for more than 10 seconds.
Well put Raziel. To this I would add "journalists" rushing in to identify "cowards" as they sit and peck at keyboards and sip hot beverages. This article infuriated me. I saw far more compassion for the shooter in comments this week than these so-called journalists have shown the LEOs on the scene. It was either blame the inanimate guns or blame mental illness. Here is a flash for all of you - some people are just bad (I really mean evil but toned it down for the non-believers) and we will never stop these things until we acknowledge it.
Several years ago, my nephew ended his USN enlistment at Bremerton. Wanting to stay in the Puget Sound area, he applied to join the Seattle PD. Although tall, strong, and fit, he misjudged the timing on the physical tests and missed the cut-off for sit-ups by one, and so was passed over for hire. (He went on to good things.)
There was a recent essay here, on the unforced errors of local government and culture that led to the decline in the Seattle PD and that once-fine city. I passed that essay onto my brother and nephew and remarked how lucky he had been in failing that test.
Who would give up their life for people who are willing to destroy yours in an instant over a video they saw on social media? Police morale has been polling at tragic lows for years while their staffing is crippled, and now we complain that the people we branded as racists won't die for our kids.
Personally, there's no way I'd fight for what the USA has become. It's not simply that "defund the police" was a terrible idea, it was seeing the horde of the Democrat masses unanimously declaring support for Whatever the Current Thing Is This Week. The USA is a propaganda machine with unprecedented power, driven by thoughtless, selfish and reactionary leaders. There's no way I'm going to go die to preserve that way of life.
It’s absolutely tragic what the USA has become. A total failure of the worst leadership of this new century. The steady drumbeat of police are racist killers. All white people are racist. It didn’t take long for a marxist professor to say the Uvalde police held back b/c these children were “brown”. They say this on purpose to brainwash our nation. Authoritarian lockdowns that destroyed the mental health of young people. The absolute cultural assault by the hard left who want to kill babies all the way up through birth (but now suddenly care about children). The destruction of the middle class to achieve green energy utopia. Our vapid leadership and activist class (this includes media) have created mass killers, weakened our police force, attacked our faith and God (we are now deemed Christofascists), sold a lie to our children that they can choose their gender, and basically annihilated our culture. We let this happen, but we can also stop it if we can dig deep and find the moral courage our nation has lost.
That's what Chuck's vote sought to allow. Why the hell can't the left reign in the abortion fanatics and set some reasonable criteria? For the same reason the right can't with the 'Claymores for all' NRA fanatics.
With respect, that is not true. Your comment denigrates your lack of knowledge of the pro-abortionists statements. I would be happy to show you the receipts.
I worked for PP for 10 plus years. ran five clinics including a termination clinic.. so. again not true... every client was treated with respect and allowed to make a choice that worked for them. none "killed babies at full term". or even close. receipts? what?
Let me rephrase: The absolute cultural assault by the hard left who want THE FREEDOM to kill babies all the way up through birth. “ The Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA) of 2021, hailed by abortion supporters as the bill that will ensure equal access to abortion for all, is being re-introduced in Congress today. Currently, “health of the mother” loopholes — including financial health, familial health, age, or other reasons — allow abortion up to birth in the United States (see Doe v. Bolton), but the WHPA goes further than current law, virtually banning states even from restricting abortion after “viability,” when it is considered possible for a preborn child to survive outside the womb.” Currently, Alaska, Colorado, Washington DC and 6 additional states allow abortion up to birth. Former VA Governor Ralph Northam spoke publicly about infanticide. I was “helped” by PP to terminate pregnancies in my 20’s. Suffered mentally for decades afterwards. I regret it deeply. We will have to agree to disagree and move along…
we all make our own decisions.. I see where you are coming from. I sincerely hope you received the help you needed or may still need. societal guilt is a terrible thing which is why ( to me) it is important that we do not burden women with that guilt when they decide that pregnancy is not right for them. Many of my clients went on to have happy healthy families when the time was right and we tried our best to support them in any way we could. some went to to school ( college and some were just entering junior high or high school) we provided them with the best birth control that was available .. if you do not want to have an abortion. dont. it is your right to have any baby you wish to have.. I do wish it was up to the people who decide to continue the pregnancy that they did not want care for that child forever..but as we know that in many cases is not the scenario.. it should be about CHOICE.
Police arrest a criminal, who then resist, police restrain and under restrain the criminal, on drugs, dies and the officer goes to jail. While the media did everything they could for the evasion...deceit.
No surprise we end with a sad, insane outcome in Tx.
Hey Raziel, this will be an even more unpopular post.
For all of the victims of urban police shooting who've been elevated to the same status of MLK, is there a single death that wouldn't have been avoided had the victim not resisted arrest?
Yes there are bad cops, and the unions do us no favors by fighting to keep them on the force. But the majority of these deaths were caused by the victims being put in the position of being confronted by police because they did something against the law, and then, secondly, resisting arrest.
I can't speak for how many of the police involved actually made mistakes, but I'm confident that many conducted themselves by the book and ended up paying a very steep price for simply doing their jobs.
Finally, I think it's too early to form opinions about Uvalde, as the story hasn't been the same for two consecutive days. The way societies going, we'll end up with a police force as predicted by Burgess in A Clockwork Orange.
Interesting that you would mention Burgess. In a post regarding another article, I stated, "A Clockwork Orange should be moved to the non-fiction section."
But, yeah, it's too early. We haven't heard the full story from the officer's POV. I was rereading the article by M. French, and happened to check on this link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/28/us/texas-school-shooting Much as I hate the times, they come up with some actual info that clouds up the story quite a bit. Just hope it isn't paywalled.
I think it'll be per usual: When something goes *this* absolutely, horribly wrong, there's gonna be a chain of errors. What people are looking for, IMO, like the article quoted one guy saying: They're looking for a scapegoat, and the commander is the one. He's in charge of a police force of 6 guys that've likely never seen action. Nothing like this, that's for certain. Question they raised was why was he even *in* charge-a this thing. Someone higher up likely should-a taken charge, and it remains to be seen why that didn't happen. Again, just a guess, but likely more than one person's fault here. ICBW, of course.
The border patrol’s tactical, highly trained unit ended the situation. The six guys on the force very likely never saw anything like this, sounds right. We’ll see. Still the article’s point about bravery and lack thereof, and the ethos selflessness represents is spot on. Made me tear up, reality does that.
The very first error seems to have been made by the teacher who propped open the door, then didn't close it, despite being aware that there was a shooter in the area (she called 911 at 11:30; the shooter entered the school at 11:33).
The Woke are reacting very predictably to questions about this teacher: "How DARE you blame the teacher when it's GUNS that caused this!!!!"
Right. The insanity of it all demands explanation so we can settle it in our minds. But, we can’t just waive it off either. The situation seems complicated on one hand and common sense on the other. I think we have little choice but to make our school more secure - everywhere. Sad but true.
Last year my wife participated in an online anti-racism meeting…three days worth. On the first morning the leader talked about the ongoing genocide. On the third morning my wife asked what percentage of town population was black, so I said about 20% but would look it up.
An hour later I reported back that the town was about 19.5% black…and falling.
She asked why it was falling, so I said ‘because of the ongoing genocide’.
A few years ago a coworker was decrying school shootings as a need for gun control. I added up 285 or so deaths (Wikipedia) in schools over a 20 year period, or about 14 per year…or as I like to call it ‘one weekend in Chicago’.
This is not to belittle the deaths at the hand of police or school shooters, but I think we need perspective here.
Agree that Black deaths by gun violence virtually never get attention by mass media or social media. What's missing form your data is a comparison of deaths by cop vs deaths by civilian and how many of the latter are Black on Black. Libs and cons alike seem to not care about the number of Black Americans killed by firearms. If there's a genocide, much of it is self-inflicted. Those victims warrant our protection and concern as much as victims of police violence.
To mention Black on Black crime to BLM or 'anti-racists' one is accused of racism so those victims are vastly under-represented.
FBI statistics on this are readily available, and will break your heart.
We had a case in town where a black officer responded to an armed robbery report…except it wasn’t an armed robbery…and he didn’t know that at the time. On confrontation, shots were fired from a responder from another department, so the first officer drew his weapon and fired over his shoulder as he ran, striking the passenger in the car. Yes…I’ve seen the video.
He just got sentenced to 3 years probation for aggravated assault, and the activists are up in arms that he got off lightly.
I got it…firing without aiming is not good, but put the situation together.
OK - I must take issue with what I think you are saying. My main concerns is comparing these two groups. First, we have unarmed people killed by cops. Some percentage of those folks, while unarmed, put themselves in harms way because they were endangering others and would not listen to reason. Some were not a danger to others, but they were trying to evade being arrested because they were wanted for alleged crimes. Others really were completely innocent and essentially murdered. EVERY child and teacher shot in a classroom or on a school campus is completely innocent. Children and teachers didn’t have a chance to “just cooperate” with the mass killers in order to avoid being killed.
Correct, but what’s the end game? Dead is dead. Are you going to base ‘common sense gun laws’ on a few events and people, or all events and people? And with all the gun laws currently on the books (straw sales, age limits, length, training, background checks, and more), just why aren’t these ‘common sense’ enough? Have our legislators completely failed us since the JFK assassination? Is there yet one more nuance they missed?
Short of taking away guns (because that just isn’t going to happen), what do you propose? How do they do OTHER than affect the law abiding citizen? What if the Uvalde shooter couldn’t purchase his weapons legally (and I got it…there were enough red flags to warrant some measure of intervention), would he have procured them illegally? Would someone be crying about his feelings being hurt and civil rights being violated (no wagering)? Would we be hearing the ‘but he’s a good person’ defense?
How about this: enforce the laws we have. Just last week I saw a story about a kid (under 19) caught with a weapon…except he was also caught with a weapon a year ago.
So yeah…two different sets of victims, one common cause (and it really does bother me to even appear to agree with Lori Lightfoot that as long as the gangbangers are killing each other, there’s no real need to enforce the law)…and that’s indifference to life. But the numbers are what they are: as tragic as any school shooting is, the numbers are tiny compared to the overall.
What perspective? 19 ten and 11 year old kids were murdered in their classroom in school. Chicago is lamentable, but much of the toll is due to gang violence. There is absolutely no moral relativism here...no comparison.
I lived in Chicago for 20 years. Kids that age and much younger are killed by gang violence all the time. Are you under the impression that gang members only kill other violent gang members? If that were the case, your moral relativism argument might make sense. I think the comparison is entirely legitimate. There is precious little public outrage about the child victims in Chicago because they are not all killed at one time and in one place like in Uvalde or Sandy Hook. But if they were, it would dwarf the body counts in both of those incidents.
Kate, I see your point. I didn't give Chicago a lot of thought or looked into the nature of its body count. Mostly just tired of people rebutting the horrors in Uvalde by saying "...but Chicago." In my mind they are apples and oranges, though they are both fruits of an increasingly poisonous tree.
Thank you for your logic. So far I've only seen the usual finger pointing here. While the sad state of America's values, beliefs, and attitudes impact ALL of US, its difficult to broach the topic of gun violence without bringing up pro gun politics. Texas has a high incidence of gun deaths. You can deny that this has something to do with their lax laws and blame wokeness (sick of hearing this) OR we can actually talk about improving.
It took decades to change the attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors around tobacco use. When we changed everything about our approach to the deadly drug, and held tobacco companies responsible for their lies and marketing to youth, we realized great positive changes. For example, youth tobacco use was significantly reduced.
It's sad that people are wasting more time pointing fingers. I don't fault police for the shooting, but it is ironic that the police and trained swat with a recently awarded arsenal were unable to save these kids. If they can't, what makes you think teachers can? Even IF they could, it doesn't mean they should. Two teachers gave their lives on the 24th and children died and we're discussing black people committing crimes?
Chicago has very strict gun laws and also has an astronomically high incidence of gun deaths. As far as youth smoking rates, the youth appear to have turned to vaping in recent years. And cigarette smoking among all groups actually increased last year (likely pandemic related) after several decades of decline.
Entire ordeal in Uvalde was painful to watch. So much tragedy at one place. These officers are disgrace to their uniforms.
I will write here an unpopular opinion.
But to be honest, for years police has issues at attracting best and the brightest. Police work has been demonized to extreme. In 2020 this went to overdrive, police everywhere have been called racist, white supremacists, supporters of systemic racism, main causes of problems in US inner cities. This has been trumpeted for years now, many of young men and women wont take that job due to stigma that it comes. That they are guilty for everything bad that happens that is related to police work. US is nation of 330 million people, after George Floyd killing, every single police officer was being called out as they were murderers themself. And job itself is stressful enough, people are underpaid, due to bad policies streets are getting more lawless by the day, all the while large part of population hates your guts because you are supposedly "supporting systemic racism".
Who in the right mind will take such a job? No wonder police officers are retiring left and right in big numbers.
Many good candidates don't apply, and sadly many with authoritarian tendencies do, usually those who think that Badge is excuse for power trip with no accountability.
Sadly this incident will further be used for political purposes to demonize police and their work. Yes these men are cowards and have discrased their uniform, but there are thousands of officers that risk their life every day, but we will never read about them in the newspapers.
As long this senseless attacks by MSM and politicians on our police don't stop and police work as whole gets its respect that it deserves, there will be no improvement. Less and less good people will want to serve, especially with ever belligerent part of population that sees criminals as victims and police as perpetrators.
Excellent response. Thank you.
"Sadly this incident will further be used for political purposes to demonize police and their work." My fear is it will be used instead as way to let these officers off the hook in the name of strict gun control. I can hear their arguments now: No one should be required to volunteer their lives for others. In fact, raw courage and masculinity have no place in our society, and we'd all be better off if these traits - and the weapons they often employ in defense of the innocent - were removed.
smits3, can femininity have raw courage? Also, would you please define raw courage and masculinity so I can better understand whether they should have a place in our society?
"so I can better understand"
A person with no shame can tell a bald-faced lie so easily.
Yes, sure it can. By raw courage, I mean the willingness to regularly and unquestioningly put oneself at high risk of severe injury or death in service of a cause. That which is typical of soldiering, for example. Historically, such courage has been more typically and widely exemplified in the male of the human species, though not always, and is thus seen as more generally a masculine trait. As for your last insinuation, societies which lack some amount of masculine courage don’t last long.
Your opinion is not unpopular. Its cowardice. People are so frightened of getting canceled no one can speak their truth.
I am not cowed by the thought and word police and others are also speaking truth. But their words are being intentionally blocked, twisted, maligned by bad actors. We all need to unflinchingly use our right of free speech. Doing so is the only road out of this societal morass of bizarre woke thinking and the crowd lynching promulgated by the far left. Never never never stop speaking out. Have courage and be willing to take the hits that will inevitably occur.
I totally agree--I attended a University of Notre Dame reconciliation event in the wake of the George Floyd murder because I happened to be visiting friends who wanted to attend. There were several policemen in attendance and to each I went up and said, "Thank you for your service". Each of them almost cringed as I approached and then said with visible relief and gratitude, "Thank you, I really appreciate it."
Whatever the connection may or may not be between those Indiana cops and the demoralized and cowardly Texas cops two years later, I have to think you are spot on in identifying the fundamental problem.
We get the police force we deserve--just as we get the politicians and government we deserve--and in both cases we better be prepared to look in the mirror and see who the real problem is. If we're not actively destroying America, we are tolerating those who are. Who are the real passive cowards? We are.
God bless David French, Mike Medders, Torre Mallard and the heroic, selfless and loving Americans like them who made this country great. From this moment on, we should begin acting more like them.
Raziel: I think that what you are sharing here is spot on. I don’t think your opinion will be particularly unpopular in this setting. Most people here are at least willing to consider the viewpoints of others. If my wife has said it once, she’s said it 500 times, “Who today would want to become a police officer?” She makes a great point. The plethora of baseless criticisms (always foisted from cowards and/or intellectually challenged talking heads), the idea of defunding, and the “reimagining of policing” (you know, replacing law enforcement with social workers with good intentions) to “protect and serve.” Uh huh. That’ll work. And, oh, by the way, watch what is happening with teachers across the nations. The best and brightest are overly represented in the crowd of those who are “reimagining” their careers.
When I was young and stupid, I walked away from my classes in my junior year of college and joined the Army. After four months of basic and advanced infantry training, I went to Ft. Benning and went to jump school. Unlike some officers who went to jump school just to get their ticket punched, I was dedicated to being in and airborne unit and after completing SF training, I served two years as a demolitionist in an A-Team.
The upshot of this is, there is a culture and storied tradition that airborne troops have and that is you don't quit. It is engrained in your psyche. During the D Day invasion most of the airborne units were dropped where they weren't supposed to be dropped. They were scattered all over the area. In some cases, miles from their objective.
That didn't bother them at all. They banned together in groups of two, three or a dozen and they ran toward the sound of gunfire. Many of them linked up with people not from their own unit but they knew what to do and that was to kill the enemy. Like Shakespear's Henry V, they were a band of brothers.
Until you have served in a highly motivated combat unit, you will never understand the love you have for the men you serve with. I can't accurately describe it. It is an intense, visceral feeling. You know that the men on your left and right will die for you and you for them.
Do police forces have this same motivation? I don't know but until they do, they will wait outside the door.
I believe that some do. And, in larger cities, they have specialized units for this sort of thing. Still, I’m sure there are plenty of “beat cops” who would crash a door to save kids from being slaughtered.
Your story is moving and I commend you and those like you. But to compare that to the Uvalde PD is apples and oranges. Police officers are not soldiers. Nor should we want them to be.
You are absolutely correct. "Police officers are not soldiers. Nor should we want them to be." If you treat police like military, you are in danger of having Gestapo not police.
However, if you have repetitive, intensive, training, you build a bond with those being trained and hopefully through that bond, they kick the door down and no just wait outside.
Raziel, you’re absolutely right; how dare the Washington Post report that in 2021 the police killed at least 1,055 people, the most since they began tracking police killings. I mean, how impertinent that the MSM report about: police brutality, police being members of the Oath Keepers militia and other white supremacy groups, police abusing their authority and lying, and police departments being investigated by the Justice Department. The MSM must not report any wrongdoing by the police and lie to make them look good. And oh yes, garbage collectors do a more dangerous job than police officers, who rank only number 22 in the most perilous job category.
Tool, You show Your ignorance every time You post. IT's a good thing You're just a TROLL, and I can just laugh it off. Actually, it's sort-a sad. That You parade Your ignorance and call Yourself wise. If You weren't a TROLL.. Well, because You ARE a troll, I'll go on an PITY You.
Oh, learned one, perched upon the podium of knowledge, please bestow upon me your understanding of how the police are being maligned to the core by the MSM! I’m looking forward to your reply with bated breath!
I limit myself to two comments per TROLL. I tried to find out what You'd previously posted, but it was too much work. Basically, You're wrong per usual. I think You get overly wrought and don't think through things. Doesn't take anyone learned. And I'm perched upon the podium of making a huge number of mistakes and trying to learn from them. You should try it sometime.
You know the phrase "Monday morning quarterback?" You have any interest in sports at all? *Everybody* knows how someone else should-a done. How many look at themselves with the same scrutiny. See, by Your behavior, You don't appear to do that anywhere near enough.
Would You have someone "talk" to You the same way You talk to others? I give You the rough side-a my tongue to give You examples. You haven't learned a thing yet. Judge Yourself as harshly as YOu judge others. It'll work wonders, wonder boy.
I agree with you. Your comments are not unpopular l, they are what most people are thinking. The police were cowards for sure but honestly I can’t help but think you get cowards eventually when you browbeat people. At this point all of this pretty writing doesn’t move my heart, until every last democrat and repents for being the party of police browbeating ! And quits biting these people to office period!
This might be an unpopular opinion. But it has occurred to me and others that I know more than once. It's actually obvious if you think about it for more than 10 seconds.
Well put Raziel. To this I would add "journalists" rushing in to identify "cowards" as they sit and peck at keyboards and sip hot beverages. This article infuriated me. I saw far more compassion for the shooter in comments this week than these so-called journalists have shown the LEOs on the scene. It was either blame the inanimate guns or blame mental illness. Here is a flash for all of you - some people are just bad (I really mean evil but toned it down for the non-believers) and we will never stop these things until we acknowledge it.
You've got the right of here, Raziel. Another good 'un. TY.
Agree.
Several years ago, my nephew ended his USN enlistment at Bremerton. Wanting to stay in the Puget Sound area, he applied to join the Seattle PD. Although tall, strong, and fit, he misjudged the timing on the physical tests and missed the cut-off for sit-ups by one, and so was passed over for hire. (He went on to good things.)
There was a recent essay here, on the unforced errors of local government and culture that led to the decline in the Seattle PD and that once-fine city. I passed that essay onto my brother and nephew and remarked how lucky he had been in failing that test.
I was thinking something similar.
Who would give up their life for people who are willing to destroy yours in an instant over a video they saw on social media? Police morale has been polling at tragic lows for years while their staffing is crippled, and now we complain that the people we branded as racists won't die for our kids.
Personally, there's no way I'd fight for what the USA has become. It's not simply that "defund the police" was a terrible idea, it was seeing the horde of the Democrat masses unanimously declaring support for Whatever the Current Thing Is This Week. The USA is a propaganda machine with unprecedented power, driven by thoughtless, selfish and reactionary leaders. There's no way I'm going to go die to preserve that way of life.
It’s absolutely tragic what the USA has become. A total failure of the worst leadership of this new century. The steady drumbeat of police are racist killers. All white people are racist. It didn’t take long for a marxist professor to say the Uvalde police held back b/c these children were “brown”. They say this on purpose to brainwash our nation. Authoritarian lockdowns that destroyed the mental health of young people. The absolute cultural assault by the hard left who want to kill babies all the way up through birth (but now suddenly care about children). The destruction of the middle class to achieve green energy utopia. Our vapid leadership and activist class (this includes media) have created mass killers, weakened our police force, attacked our faith and God (we are now deemed Christofascists), sold a lie to our children that they can choose their gender, and basically annihilated our culture. We let this happen, but we can also stop it if we can dig deep and find the moral courage our nation has lost.
sigh. ok. NO ONE WANTS to "kill babies through birth" that little statement denigrates the rest of your post..
That's what Chuck's vote sought to allow. Why the hell can't the left reign in the abortion fanatics and set some reasonable criteria? For the same reason the right can't with the 'Claymores for all' NRA fanatics.
With respect, that is not true. Your comment denigrates your lack of knowledge of the pro-abortionists statements. I would be happy to show you the receipts.
I worked for PP for 10 plus years. ran five clinics including a termination clinic.. so. again not true... every client was treated with respect and allowed to make a choice that worked for them. none "killed babies at full term". or even close. receipts? what?
Let me rephrase: The absolute cultural assault by the hard left who want THE FREEDOM to kill babies all the way up through birth. “ The Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA) of 2021, hailed by abortion supporters as the bill that will ensure equal access to abortion for all, is being re-introduced in Congress today. Currently, “health of the mother” loopholes — including financial health, familial health, age, or other reasons — allow abortion up to birth in the United States (see Doe v. Bolton), but the WHPA goes further than current law, virtually banning states even from restricting abortion after “viability,” when it is considered possible for a preborn child to survive outside the womb.” Currently, Alaska, Colorado, Washington DC and 6 additional states allow abortion up to birth. Former VA Governor Ralph Northam spoke publicly about infanticide. I was “helped” by PP to terminate pregnancies in my 20’s. Suffered mentally for decades afterwards. I regret it deeply. We will have to agree to disagree and move along…
we all make our own decisions.. I see where you are coming from. I sincerely hope you received the help you needed or may still need. societal guilt is a terrible thing which is why ( to me) it is important that we do not burden women with that guilt when they decide that pregnancy is not right for them. Many of my clients went on to have happy healthy families when the time was right and we tried our best to support them in any way we could. some went to to school ( college and some were just entering junior high or high school) we provided them with the best birth control that was available .. if you do not want to have an abortion. dont. it is your right to have any baby you wish to have.. I do wish it was up to the people who decide to continue the pregnancy that they did not want care for that child forever..but as we know that in many cases is not the scenario.. it should be about CHOICE.
Raziel...could not agree more. thanks.
Police arrest a criminal, who then resist, police restrain and under restrain the criminal, on drugs, dies and the officer goes to jail. While the media did everything they could for the evasion...deceit.
No surprise we end with a sad, insane outcome in Tx.
Policing is janitorial work, you clean up societies biggest messes.
Hey Raziel, this will be an even more unpopular post.
For all of the victims of urban police shooting who've been elevated to the same status of MLK, is there a single death that wouldn't have been avoided had the victim not resisted arrest?
Yes there are bad cops, and the unions do us no favors by fighting to keep them on the force. But the majority of these deaths were caused by the victims being put in the position of being confronted by police because they did something against the law, and then, secondly, resisting arrest.
I can't speak for how many of the police involved actually made mistakes, but I'm confident that many conducted themselves by the book and ended up paying a very steep price for simply doing their jobs.
Finally, I think it's too early to form opinions about Uvalde, as the story hasn't been the same for two consecutive days. The way societies going, we'll end up with a police force as predicted by Burgess in A Clockwork Orange.
Interesting that you would mention Burgess. In a post regarding another article, I stated, "A Clockwork Orange should be moved to the non-fiction section."
Yeah, we've blown past 1984/Animal Farm period and now are in Clockwork Orange Dynasty. Is Dante's Inferno next?
I saw the movie long ago. Don't recall.
But, yeah, it's too early. We haven't heard the full story from the officer's POV. I was rereading the article by M. French, and happened to check on this link: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/28/us/texas-school-shooting Much as I hate the times, they come up with some actual info that clouds up the story quite a bit. Just hope it isn't paywalled.
I think it'll be per usual: When something goes *this* absolutely, horribly wrong, there's gonna be a chain of errors. What people are looking for, IMO, like the article quoted one guy saying: They're looking for a scapegoat, and the commander is the one. He's in charge of a police force of 6 guys that've likely never seen action. Nothing like this, that's for certain. Question they raised was why was he even *in* charge-a this thing. Someone higher up likely should-a taken charge, and it remains to be seen why that didn't happen. Again, just a guess, but likely more than one person's fault here. ICBW, of course.
The border patrol’s tactical, highly trained unit ended the situation. The six guys on the force very likely never saw anything like this, sounds right. We’ll see. Still the article’s point about bravery and lack thereof, and the ethos selflessness represents is spot on. Made me tear up, reality does that.
Yeah. WOuld the BP been able to do that in beginning.
And, yeah. Selflessness has got a bum rap. Not that it's too late for it to make a comeback, right?
The very first error seems to have been made by the teacher who propped open the door, then didn't close it, despite being aware that there was a shooter in the area (she called 911 at 11:30; the shooter entered the school at 11:33).
The Woke are reacting very predictably to questions about this teacher: "How DARE you blame the teacher when it's GUNS that caused this!!!!"
Right. The insanity of it all demands explanation so we can settle it in our minds. But, we can’t just waive it off either. The situation seems complicated on one hand and common sense on the other. I think we have little choice but to make our school more secure - everywhere. Sad but true.
Yes…more than one, but it is a common thread.
Last year my wife participated in an online anti-racism meeting…three days worth. On the first morning the leader talked about the ongoing genocide. On the third morning my wife asked what percentage of town population was black, so I said about 20% but would look it up.
An hour later I reported back that the town was about 19.5% black…and falling.
She asked why it was falling, so I said ‘because of the ongoing genocide’.
A few years ago a coworker was decrying school shootings as a need for gun control. I added up 285 or so deaths (Wikipedia) in schools over a 20 year period, or about 14 per year…or as I like to call it ‘one weekend in Chicago’.
This is not to belittle the deaths at the hand of police or school shooters, but I think we need perspective here.
Agree that Black deaths by gun violence virtually never get attention by mass media or social media. What's missing form your data is a comparison of deaths by cop vs deaths by civilian and how many of the latter are Black on Black. Libs and cons alike seem to not care about the number of Black Americans killed by firearms. If there's a genocide, much of it is self-inflicted. Those victims warrant our protection and concern as much as victims of police violence.
To mention Black on Black crime to BLM or 'anti-racists' one is accused of racism so those victims are vastly under-represented.
FBI statistics on this are readily available, and will break your heart.
We had a case in town where a black officer responded to an armed robbery report…except it wasn’t an armed robbery…and he didn’t know that at the time. On confrontation, shots were fired from a responder from another department, so the first officer drew his weapon and fired over his shoulder as he ran, striking the passenger in the car. Yes…I’ve seen the video.
He just got sentenced to 3 years probation for aggravated assault, and the activists are up in arms that he got off lightly.
I got it…firing without aiming is not good, but put the situation together.
OK - I must take issue with what I think you are saying. My main concerns is comparing these two groups. First, we have unarmed people killed by cops. Some percentage of those folks, while unarmed, put themselves in harms way because they were endangering others and would not listen to reason. Some were not a danger to others, but they were trying to evade being arrested because they were wanted for alleged crimes. Others really were completely innocent and essentially murdered. EVERY child and teacher shot in a classroom or on a school campus is completely innocent. Children and teachers didn’t have a chance to “just cooperate” with the mass killers in order to avoid being killed.
Correct, but what’s the end game? Dead is dead. Are you going to base ‘common sense gun laws’ on a few events and people, or all events and people? And with all the gun laws currently on the books (straw sales, age limits, length, training, background checks, and more), just why aren’t these ‘common sense’ enough? Have our legislators completely failed us since the JFK assassination? Is there yet one more nuance they missed?
Short of taking away guns (because that just isn’t going to happen), what do you propose? How do they do OTHER than affect the law abiding citizen? What if the Uvalde shooter couldn’t purchase his weapons legally (and I got it…there were enough red flags to warrant some measure of intervention), would he have procured them illegally? Would someone be crying about his feelings being hurt and civil rights being violated (no wagering)? Would we be hearing the ‘but he’s a good person’ defense?
How about this: enforce the laws we have. Just last week I saw a story about a kid (under 19) caught with a weapon…except he was also caught with a weapon a year ago.
So yeah…two different sets of victims, one common cause (and it really does bother me to even appear to agree with Lori Lightfoot that as long as the gangbangers are killing each other, there’s no real need to enforce the law)…and that’s indifference to life. But the numbers are what they are: as tragic as any school shooting is, the numbers are tiny compared to the overall.
George...got it right, shut down the media.
What perspective? 19 ten and 11 year old kids were murdered in their classroom in school. Chicago is lamentable, but much of the toll is due to gang violence. There is absolutely no moral relativism here...no comparison.
I lived in Chicago for 20 years. Kids that age and much younger are killed by gang violence all the time. Are you under the impression that gang members only kill other violent gang members? If that were the case, your moral relativism argument might make sense. I think the comparison is entirely legitimate. There is precious little public outrage about the child victims in Chicago because they are not all killed at one time and in one place like in Uvalde or Sandy Hook. But if they were, it would dwarf the body counts in both of those incidents.
Kate, I see your point. I didn't give Chicago a lot of thought or looked into the nature of its body count. Mostly just tired of people rebutting the horrors in Uvalde by saying "...but Chicago." In my mind they are apples and oranges, though they are both fruits of an increasingly poisonous tree.
Thank you for your logic. So far I've only seen the usual finger pointing here. While the sad state of America's values, beliefs, and attitudes impact ALL of US, its difficult to broach the topic of gun violence without bringing up pro gun politics. Texas has a high incidence of gun deaths. You can deny that this has something to do with their lax laws and blame wokeness (sick of hearing this) OR we can actually talk about improving.
It took decades to change the attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors around tobacco use. When we changed everything about our approach to the deadly drug, and held tobacco companies responsible for their lies and marketing to youth, we realized great positive changes. For example, youth tobacco use was significantly reduced.
It's sad that people are wasting more time pointing fingers. I don't fault police for the shooting, but it is ironic that the police and trained swat with a recently awarded arsenal were unable to save these kids. If they can't, what makes you think teachers can? Even IF they could, it doesn't mean they should. Two teachers gave their lives on the 24th and children died and we're discussing black people committing crimes?
Chicago has very strict gun laws and also has an astronomically high incidence of gun deaths. As far as youth smoking rates, the youth appear to have turned to vaping in recent years. And cigarette smoking among all groups actually increased last year (likely pandemic related) after several decades of decline.