James Lindsay has been warning about this critical theory education for a couple years now. He and Peter Boghossian have created the New Discourses podcast to highlight these educational underpinnings and their danger to western societies. Please look for them. Boghossian has contributed to this column too.
When questioned about her own hostilities expressed in her presentation, she immediately shifts the focus to others being blind to their own prejudices and therefore being completely disqualified from examining her attitudes. While at first characterizing her expressions of hatred as her healthy awareness of her own anger, she seamlessly (apparently so to her, anyway) goes on to imply that her inner feelings of anger and hostility are, unlike inner feelings of others, grounded in objective truth and so should be adopted as such by others. A very intelligent person who has quite aptly applied her education to canonizing her own personality disorder.
I wonder how the white students felt about her saying she would take a gun to a white person and walk away with no guilt? I wonder how her patients might feel? I wonder what would happen if she had replied the word "white" for "black"? Would the students have gotten up and stormed out of the lecture and demanded her resignation? Violent rhetoric against one group is not a good way to teach students
Would love to hear this talk if a clean audio file becomes available. I couldn’t understand more than 40% of what was being said so I turned it off after about three minutes. I really enjoyed this interview though. I say good on her to have accomplished so much in her academic career to be on the same level as so many bright white men who are also massive narcissists.
Most people don't believe this rubbish. Her practice in New York had a two-star rating. If you go to a doctor for help and this is the kind of advice they give you, you're not going to go to that doctor for very long. Someone truly seeking mental health wants stop feeling like a victim; not be told you will always be a victim because you were born with a particular skin color. She's a joke of a doctor and her practice is now closed. She's great at producing click bate though.
The shared psychosis in the medical establishment is the most serious public health problem facing the nation. This psychosis manifests in many forms, but the most dangerous variants of the illness manifest as disregard for reality, science, facts, and truth. Bari, I applaud your and Katie's series on the diseased American medical establishment. Because I am a chronic pain patient, I hope you will do a long overdue expose of the opioid hysteria epidemic, a cooked up “crisis” by the CDC and their PROP* buddies. It’s ironic that while pain patients are committing suicide or turning to illegal drugs and alcohol to relieve their pain, because their doctors won’t prescribe their medicines, the same medical establishment is allowing young women, most with a history of mental health disorders, to self-diagnose with gender dysphoria, and in those cases, the doctors’ only job is to “affirm,” agree, hand out hormones and remove completely healthy breasts/genitalia. I cannot think of a single other medical condition - except cosmetic surgery, and even in that field there is some sanity left - where the doctor is nothing more than an instrument of the patient, and in this case, mentally disturbed patients.
I could send you reams of research (many pain patients like me who’ve had their meds, lives, and jobs taken away have had nothing better to do for the last years than read the fine print reporters are too sloppy and lazy to do) - papers, articles, reports - and I mean CDC and DEA’s own reports - that detail the outrageous CDC lies dutifully regurgitated by the media.
Wondered why you haven’t heard a thing from the CDC about the big bad “pain pills” after the agency announced (with pride, I’m sure) last July that the death toll in their war on pain patients had risen to a record 93,000, up 30,000 deaths from last year? And not a word about the big, bad “pain pills”! Oh, the data is there, but because what it shows - that Rx opioids analgesics “REMAIN only a minor (and stable) contributor” to the record 93,000 OD deaths in 2020 doesn’t fit the CDC “opioid epidemic” narrative, the CDC hasn't issued data on these drugs in any form that's accessible. Instead, it’s hidden the data “in an excel database containing no fewer than 39,000 cells...” With (more than) a little sorting it is possible to transform it into English, which Dr. Josh Bloom has done, because the lazy legacy media are too lazy to do it. https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/07/19/2020-drug-deaths-spiked-30-and-pain-pills-had-nothing-do-it-15669
It takes an effort to dig the truth out of their fine print - not much, but the media prefer the CDC PRfeed, which looks nothing like the truth. This fine print has been on the CDC/DEA books for two decades:
“Increases in Drug and Opioid Overdose Deaths-US 2000–2014: “...increases in death rates were driven by...(72.2%) illicitly-manufactured fentanyl [IMF] and heroin (20.6%)... DEA has NOT reported…increase in pharmaceutical fentanyl being diverted from legitimate medical use to illegal uses. Given the strong correlation between increases in [IMF] and increases in...opioid deaths and uncorrelated stable fentanyl prescription rates [declining since 2010], it is hypothesized that IMF is driving the...deaths. Findings from DEA state, and CDC...further support this hypothesis...Law enforcement strategies to reduce the illicit opioid supply must...be supported.” https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm655051e1.htm
Notice that nowhere does it say "strategies to reduce the PHARMACEUTICAL opioid supply must be supported.”
"Increases in Fentanyl Drug Confiscations and Fentanyl-related Overdose Fatalities: “Although pharmaceutical fentanyl can be diverted for misuse, most cases of fentanyl-related morbidity and mortality have been linked to illicitly manufactured fentanyl...Similar to previous fentanyl overdose outbreaks, most of the...fentanyl-related overdose deaths reported to DEA...were attributable to illicitly-manufactured fentanyl—not diverted pharmaceutical fentanyl—and either mixed with heroin or other diluents and sold as a highly potent form (sometimes under the street name “China White).”
Loren E. Wilbers, a Florida PhD student, wrote her PhD thesis on how your former employer, the New York Times, has falsely portrayed the “opioid epidemic." She wrote “an analysis of narratives regarding prescription opioids in the New York Times and their implications for the treatment of chronic pain.” And those implications weren't pretty - I've been on the receiving end, so I know. The experience of Wilbers’s mother, a chronic pain patient, prompted her to do this important work: "The Experience of Chronic Pain Management: A Multi-Voiced Narrative Analysis" (go to Chapter 3 to read esp about NYT) "Narratives Regarding Prescription Opioids in the New York Times." Loren Wilbers. September 2015, University of South Florida
*Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing (PROP), who w/CDC created the disastrous 2016 Guidelines for Prescribing Opioids for Chronic Pain…(the "evidence" contained in the recommendations had been carefully scrutinized and found “unsupportable...low quality” by FDA scientists.”). No, CDC didn’t ask pain experts for help with the pain guidelines (it never once occurred to Congress to ask, uhhh, why the heck is CDC writing guidelines for doctors? It's not their job. Of course, when it came to doing the job actually within the agency's purview - infectious disease - we all know how they did. No, the CDC went to addiction “experts” - or rather the $45 billion annual addiction industry “experts” went to CDC and cooked up a public health hysteria to ensure steady flow of government gravy in to the coffers of the American "addiction industry" gravy train, still ambling around aimlessly somewhere in the early 20th century, preventing Americans from receiving access to modern, scientific addiction treatments.
"The Opioid Epidemic in Six Charts Designed to Deceive you"
So I've been reading through as many comments as I can and I haven't seen anybody point out what I came away with yet, so I thought I'd add it to the conversation.
First of all, Dr. Khilanani strikes me as a very intelligent person, a skilled rhetorician, and an apt pupil of both psychology and sociology. (And I'll add that Katie Herzog did a tremendous job with the interview, which is what allowed me to draw this conclusion.) In the interview, she says she wants white people to be in touch with their negative feelings, and that without being in touch with them, we can't work through them and come out on the other side. I would imagine that a lot of the rage and rejection I'm seeing in the comments is that process taking place; ergo, she seems to have achieved that particular objective. Not one comment so far has taken an attitude of "ho-hum, so what, what's next?"
She also states pretty clearly that in her private practice, she does not take such a confrontational and hostile approach, but that she is using the platform Yale gave her to express herself and what she observes inthe field, albeit in a very incendiary, and some might say, unprofessional way.
But this might itself be a genius stroke of rhetoric - professional norms come from somewhere, although their origins are often obscured to the point where we (in the majoritarian society, anyway) see them as objective. There are some good reasons to maintain them as such (such as making things non-confrontational) and some good reasons to reform them. But they indeed are based on the norms of white men, because for a long time that was the only group really allowed to participate, and everyone else has more or less had to adopt what the white men of old saw as ideal.
Should this change? Maybe. I personally have a great deal of difficulty digesting both the aggression and the knee-jerk rejection of what, not long ago, would have been considered highly racist rhetoric such as what Dr. Khilanani expressed. Not to mention that I think she's playing with fire. But on the other hand, what if she is right, and that we do need to get mad, work through the BS, and come out to something that works better on the other side?
Something I really appreciate about this article is Dr. Khilanani's articulation of the motivation behind her thoughts and actions. I mostly see this kind of stuff grossly and amateurly applied. Katie Herzog did such a good job getting through what must have been a hard conversation.
And, as a white woman, I have to agree that I mostly see white people getting on board with this stuff either to feel good about themselves, not be considered racist, or to be on the fantastic power trip that this movement lends itself to. (Yes, that is my profound criticism of it.)
We all are pretty much unconsciously racist, because how could we not be? A society always has a normative culture, and ours has it's roots in a consciously hierarchical British colonialism. That's no secret. We have, as a society, and in general, attempted to uproot some of the more conscious applications of that, like slavery and Jim Crow (1.0 anyway), but we are still swimming in white norms, which we can't see because it's our ocean. Is it a bad thing? I think that is the discussion we are having now, because people on the margins are finally gaining the power to be able to add their input. Is it damaging? I would say so. Is it productive? I guess we can only hope.
I'm adding after the fact, I should have also said in the last paragraph that we should keep in mind during this conversation that a conversation that has been causing discomfort for, oh, five years maybe, does not compare on any level with 500 years of (for the most part) brutal European domination, whatever the pros of that may have been. This is the opportunity that Dr. Khilanani is pointing out to watch our own reactions.
I'm a psychiatrist and this woman is seriously mentally ill and if nothing else deserves to be fired by Yale if only for that intolerable lecture that you could call terrorist.
It is so sad that someone can actually have these views. No wonder she is described as "edgy". she goes through each day looking for the worst aspects of humanity. What a completely sad way to be.
James Lindsay has been warning about this critical theory education for a couple years now. He and Peter Boghossian have created the New Discourses podcast to highlight these educational underpinnings and their danger to western societies. Please look for them. Boghossian has contributed to this column too.
When questioned about her own hostilities expressed in her presentation, she immediately shifts the focus to others being blind to their own prejudices and therefore being completely disqualified from examining her attitudes. While at first characterizing her expressions of hatred as her healthy awareness of her own anger, she seamlessly (apparently so to her, anyway) goes on to imply that her inner feelings of anger and hostility are, unlike inner feelings of others, grounded in objective truth and so should be adopted as such by others. A very intelligent person who has quite aptly applied her education to canonizing her own personality disorder.
I wonder how the white students felt about her saying she would take a gun to a white person and walk away with no guilt? I wonder how her patients might feel? I wonder what would happen if she had replied the word "white" for "black"? Would the students have gotten up and stormed out of the lecture and demanded her resignation? Violent rhetoric against one group is not a good way to teach students
Rock. Dumb as rock.
Would love to hear this talk if a clean audio file becomes available. I couldn’t understand more than 40% of what was being said so I turned it off after about three minutes. I really enjoyed this interview though. I say good on her to have accomplished so much in her academic career to be on the same level as so many bright white men who are also massive narcissists.
Yale. Clearly, they’re propagating a race war.
Most people don't believe this rubbish. Her practice in New York had a two-star rating. If you go to a doctor for help and this is the kind of advice they give you, you're not going to go to that doctor for very long. Someone truly seeking mental health wants stop feeling like a victim; not be told you will always be a victim because you were born with a particular skin color. She's a joke of a doctor and her practice is now closed. She's great at producing click bate though.
Couldn't finish reading this interview. Every word that woman utters, directly reduces the sum total of human knowledge.
The shared psychosis in the medical establishment is the most serious public health problem facing the nation. This psychosis manifests in many forms, but the most dangerous variants of the illness manifest as disregard for reality, science, facts, and truth. Bari, I applaud your and Katie's series on the diseased American medical establishment. Because I am a chronic pain patient, I hope you will do a long overdue expose of the opioid hysteria epidemic, a cooked up “crisis” by the CDC and their PROP* buddies. It’s ironic that while pain patients are committing suicide or turning to illegal drugs and alcohol to relieve their pain, because their doctors won’t prescribe their medicines, the same medical establishment is allowing young women, most with a history of mental health disorders, to self-diagnose with gender dysphoria, and in those cases, the doctors’ only job is to “affirm,” agree, hand out hormones and remove completely healthy breasts/genitalia. I cannot think of a single other medical condition - except cosmetic surgery, and even in that field there is some sanity left - where the doctor is nothing more than an instrument of the patient, and in this case, mentally disturbed patients.
I could send you reams of research (many pain patients like me who’ve had their meds, lives, and jobs taken away have had nothing better to do for the last years than read the fine print reporters are too sloppy and lazy to do) - papers, articles, reports - and I mean CDC and DEA’s own reports - that detail the outrageous CDC lies dutifully regurgitated by the media.
Wondered why you haven’t heard a thing from the CDC about the big bad “pain pills” after the agency announced (with pride, I’m sure) last July that the death toll in their war on pain patients had risen to a record 93,000, up 30,000 deaths from last year? And not a word about the big, bad “pain pills”! Oh, the data is there, but because what it shows - that Rx opioids analgesics “REMAIN only a minor (and stable) contributor” to the record 93,000 OD deaths in 2020 doesn’t fit the CDC “opioid epidemic” narrative, the CDC hasn't issued data on these drugs in any form that's accessible. Instead, it’s hidden the data “in an excel database containing no fewer than 39,000 cells...” With (more than) a little sorting it is possible to transform it into English, which Dr. Josh Bloom has done, because the lazy legacy media are too lazy to do it. https://www.acsh.org/news/2021/07/19/2020-drug-deaths-spiked-30-and-pain-pills-had-nothing-do-it-15669
It takes an effort to dig the truth out of their fine print - not much, but the media prefer the CDC PRfeed, which looks nothing like the truth. This fine print has been on the CDC/DEA books for two decades:
“Increases in Drug and Opioid Overdose Deaths-US 2000–2014: “...increases in death rates were driven by...(72.2%) illicitly-manufactured fentanyl [IMF] and heroin (20.6%)... DEA has NOT reported…increase in pharmaceutical fentanyl being diverted from legitimate medical use to illegal uses. Given the strong correlation between increases in [IMF] and increases in...opioid deaths and uncorrelated stable fentanyl prescription rates [declining since 2010], it is hypothesized that IMF is driving the...deaths. Findings from DEA state, and CDC...further support this hypothesis...Law enforcement strategies to reduce the illicit opioid supply must...be supported.” https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm655051e1.htm
Notice that nowhere does it say "strategies to reduce the PHARMACEUTICAL opioid supply must be supported.”
"Increases in Fentanyl Drug Confiscations and Fentanyl-related Overdose Fatalities: “Although pharmaceutical fentanyl can be diverted for misuse, most cases of fentanyl-related morbidity and mortality have been linked to illicitly manufactured fentanyl...Similar to previous fentanyl overdose outbreaks, most of the...fentanyl-related overdose deaths reported to DEA...were attributable to illicitly-manufactured fentanyl—not diverted pharmaceutical fentanyl—and either mixed with heroin or other diluents and sold as a highly potent form (sometimes under the street name “China White).”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm655051e1.htm
Loren E. Wilbers, a Florida PhD student, wrote her PhD thesis on how your former employer, the New York Times, has falsely portrayed the “opioid epidemic." She wrote “an analysis of narratives regarding prescription opioids in the New York Times and their implications for the treatment of chronic pain.” And those implications weren't pretty - I've been on the receiving end, so I know. The experience of Wilbers’s mother, a chronic pain patient, prompted her to do this important work: "The Experience of Chronic Pain Management: A Multi-Voiced Narrative Analysis" (go to Chapter 3 to read esp about NYT) "Narratives Regarding Prescription Opioids in the New York Times." Loren Wilbers. September 2015, University of South Florida
https://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6996&context=etd
*Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing (PROP), who w/CDC created the disastrous 2016 Guidelines for Prescribing Opioids for Chronic Pain…(the "evidence" contained in the recommendations had been carefully scrutinized and found “unsupportable...low quality” by FDA scientists.”). No, CDC didn’t ask pain experts for help with the pain guidelines (it never once occurred to Congress to ask, uhhh, why the heck is CDC writing guidelines for doctors? It's not their job. Of course, when it came to doing the job actually within the agency's purview - infectious disease - we all know how they did. No, the CDC went to addiction “experts” - or rather the $45 billion annual addiction industry “experts” went to CDC and cooked up a public health hysteria to ensure steady flow of government gravy in to the coffers of the American "addiction industry" gravy train, still ambling around aimlessly somewhere in the early 20th century, preventing Americans from receiving access to modern, scientific addiction treatments.
"The Opioid Epidemic in Six Charts Designed to Deceive you"
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/10/12/opioid-epidemic-6-charts-designed-deceive-you-11935
"The CDC Quietly Admits It Screwed Up Counting Opioid Pills"
https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/03/19/cdc-quietly-admits-it-screwed-dishonestly-counting-pills-12717
"Pain management, prescription opioid mortality, and the CDC: is the devil in the data?"
https://www.dovepress.com/getfile.php?fileID=38986
"It's not the Prescription Opioids that are the Problem." https://www.startribune.com/counterpoint-it-s-not-the-prescription-opioids-that-are-the-problem/490403171/
I hope I never encounter a psychiatrist like her. She is a menace to society and her patients. I fear for the human race when I hear her talking.
So I've been reading through as many comments as I can and I haven't seen anybody point out what I came away with yet, so I thought I'd add it to the conversation.
First of all, Dr. Khilanani strikes me as a very intelligent person, a skilled rhetorician, and an apt pupil of both psychology and sociology. (And I'll add that Katie Herzog did a tremendous job with the interview, which is what allowed me to draw this conclusion.) In the interview, she says she wants white people to be in touch with their negative feelings, and that without being in touch with them, we can't work through them and come out on the other side. I would imagine that a lot of the rage and rejection I'm seeing in the comments is that process taking place; ergo, she seems to have achieved that particular objective. Not one comment so far has taken an attitude of "ho-hum, so what, what's next?"
She also states pretty clearly that in her private practice, she does not take such a confrontational and hostile approach, but that she is using the platform Yale gave her to express herself and what she observes inthe field, albeit in a very incendiary, and some might say, unprofessional way.
But this might itself be a genius stroke of rhetoric - professional norms come from somewhere, although their origins are often obscured to the point where we (in the majoritarian society, anyway) see them as objective. There are some good reasons to maintain them as such (such as making things non-confrontational) and some good reasons to reform them. But they indeed are based on the norms of white men, because for a long time that was the only group really allowed to participate, and everyone else has more or less had to adopt what the white men of old saw as ideal.
Should this change? Maybe. I personally have a great deal of difficulty digesting both the aggression and the knee-jerk rejection of what, not long ago, would have been considered highly racist rhetoric such as what Dr. Khilanani expressed. Not to mention that I think she's playing with fire. But on the other hand, what if she is right, and that we do need to get mad, work through the BS, and come out to something that works better on the other side?
Something I really appreciate about this article is Dr. Khilanani's articulation of the motivation behind her thoughts and actions. I mostly see this kind of stuff grossly and amateurly applied. Katie Herzog did such a good job getting through what must have been a hard conversation.
And, as a white woman, I have to agree that I mostly see white people getting on board with this stuff either to feel good about themselves, not be considered racist, or to be on the fantastic power trip that this movement lends itself to. (Yes, that is my profound criticism of it.)
We all are pretty much unconsciously racist, because how could we not be? A society always has a normative culture, and ours has it's roots in a consciously hierarchical British colonialism. That's no secret. We have, as a society, and in general, attempted to uproot some of the more conscious applications of that, like slavery and Jim Crow (1.0 anyway), but we are still swimming in white norms, which we can't see because it's our ocean. Is it a bad thing? I think that is the discussion we are having now, because people on the margins are finally gaining the power to be able to add their input. Is it damaging? I would say so. Is it productive? I guess we can only hope.
I'm adding after the fact, I should have also said in the last paragraph that we should keep in mind during this conversation that a conversation that has been causing discomfort for, oh, five years maybe, does not compare on any level with 500 years of (for the most part) brutal European domination, whatever the pros of that may have been. This is the opportunity that Dr. Khilanani is pointing out to watch our own reactions.
I'm a psychiatrist and this woman is seriously mentally ill and if nothing else deserves to be fired by Yale if only for that intolerable lecture that you could call terrorist.
Didn’t know of Katie Herzog prior, but she’s now in the first rank of skilled investigators/journalists in the field. Preternatural patience!
Is there any update on this woman?
There actually is… https://nypost.com/2021/06/18/nyc-shrink-who-talked-about-shooting-white-people-now-says-they-are-psychopathic/
It is so sad that someone can actually have these views. No wonder she is described as "edgy". she goes through each day looking for the worst aspects of humanity. What a completely sad way to be.
Bari Weiss, this is an excellent interview!