It perhaps needs to be said that Anthropogenic Climate Change is not real almost as many times as it needs to be said "Communism has failed miserably and violently every time it has been tried." The Earth has been without ice, and covered in ice. Everything in between is natural variation. And the DATA DOES NOT EXIST either to claim that…
It perhaps needs to be said that Anthropogenic Climate Change is not real almost as many times as it needs to be said "Communism has failed miserably and violently every time it has been tried."
The Earth has been without ice, and covered in ice. Everything in between is natural variation.
And the DATA DOES NOT EXIST either to claim that our period is exceptional, or even that the Earth actually is warming. Most of the temperature sensors are placed in places like airports and cities which warm as obvious and very local human activity increases. We have almost none in the polar regions; and in any event the hypothesis, to the extent it is actual science (almost none, at this point), predicts differential warming about one mile up that IS NOT HAPPENING.
Humans in groups get progressively stupider. If that is progress, then Progressives are. I myself tend to call them Regressives, because that is what I see.
The "heat islands" you speak of where temperature sensors are located that purport to show global warming are bogus, but the worst part of the Climate Hoax concerns carbon dioxide. CO2 is a trace gas – 0.04%. 97% is from nature; only 3% is man-made, and of that 3%, the US accounts for 14%. You do the math: 0.000168 percent of the atmosphere is CO2 from the U.S. and theoretically available for “reduction.” Sheer lunacy. Add to that carbon dioxide's remarkable effect on plant growth - effectively greening the planet - and what are we even discussing this for?
I've never understood this. Anyone who's ever taken a Historical Geology class knows that CO2 levels have been several orders of magnitude higher in the past. Photosynthesis (mostly photoplankton in the oceans) ate it up as fuel and brought it down slightly lower than it is now, starving themselves into a mass die-off and setting off the biggest of the ice ages. It was only the evolution of lignin consuming bacteria and fungi that began to partially reverse this process and enable levels to rise above this floor a bit. We're not far above it. Plants love CO2. We can easily stand more of it. Sea levels will rise a bit, but they are still pretty low now, historically, and this can easily be adapted to as it will be slow. For most of earth history there were no polar ice caps. The myopia of these people is truly epic.
I was reading that sequestration by coral (shells are CaCO3) and other sea life threatens to drop CO2 levels even further. Any insight on that? (addendum) re: sea levels. The climate hoaxers need to remove the arctic from their sea level rise computations. That ice is floating, and just like the ice in your tea, when it melts it doesn't change the water leval.
I've read that also - and that contrary to Green Belief those coral atoll islands are actually growing faster than the sea level is rising (I think the current rate is about 1 cm a decade but this is from memory). Satellite imagery shows net gain of land area. It's a natural process.
What will be comical is watching things thrown hard the other way when the next ice age comes along (roughly 5-15k years) should humans still be around to see it. Then they'll be trying to figure out how to generate more CO2, or trying to blow up the central American isthmus to let the Pacific Ocean flow into the Atlantic that route like it used to before South America Crashed into North America (plate tectonics). Before that happened there weren't any ice ages except for that first big lack of CO2-induced one. Seems to have re-routed the flow of major warm and cold water currents in some complicated way that causes these ice age oscillations.
The current climate models are so comically crude an inaccurate. There's a great article on Judith Curry's site from several months ago that has proposed one of the big missing link pieces in heat transport theory, involving the fact that more heat radiates away from earth at the poles than elsewhere. It apparently reconciles several of the hugely ignored inaccuracies in modeling. But I notice that nobody in the Climate Change Community has paid any attention to it. The problem is that it would show that CO2 is a minor player in global climate and they don't like that. Can't keep beating their heads with boards if they go that route. (Monty Python)
In case anyone is interested, I tracked down a couple links. It's actually tricky - there is a lot of deceptive stuff out there; mostly truncating graphs to eliminate the inconvenient stuff. One of the best graphs I've run across compares O2 with CO2 back almost a billion years - it's in Steve Drury's book "Stepping Stones". But I can't find a stable link to this graph. I have a copy of it on my (private) website, but if I link it from here someone will probably DDS me out of existence. But these links make the point:
Agree fully. We are demonizing the gas that makes beer bubble and bread rise. And for that matter, that makes us breathe. We don't respond to insufficient oxygen, but too much carbon dioxide. That triggers breathing.
This is just one of many things that are bat guano insane.
Precisely. Climate alarmism is merely the strategy of enemies of capitalism to subjugate the world to an authoritarian regime. It’s astonishing that so many wealthy individuals ascribe to this nonsense, believing they will somehow be exempted as the guillotines of the “woke” are strategically located in financial centers worldwide.
it is just old time religion wrapped in a new package instead of witches and blasphemers it is carbon burners and capitalists . I am all for a clean water and air supply , but don´t sell me cars are the culprit . Hit big industries dumping tons of crap in the water and air . Ever notice how there are strange weather patterns in areas of those big hydro projects ? China and India have had much bigger rain seasons and heat waves since the new hydro projects cut down all those trees to make room for huge heat sink waterways
It perhaps needs to be said that Anthropogenic Climate Change is not real almost as many times as it needs to be said "Communism has failed miserably and violently every time it has been tried."
The Earth has been without ice, and covered in ice. Everything in between is natural variation.
And the DATA DOES NOT EXIST either to claim that our period is exceptional, or even that the Earth actually is warming. Most of the temperature sensors are placed in places like airports and cities which warm as obvious and very local human activity increases. We have almost none in the polar regions; and in any event the hypothesis, to the extent it is actual science (almost none, at this point), predicts differential warming about one mile up that IS NOT HAPPENING.
Humans in groups get progressively stupider. If that is progress, then Progressives are. I myself tend to call them Regressives, because that is what I see.
The "heat islands" you speak of where temperature sensors are located that purport to show global warming are bogus, but the worst part of the Climate Hoax concerns carbon dioxide. CO2 is a trace gas – 0.04%. 97% is from nature; only 3% is man-made, and of that 3%, the US accounts for 14%. You do the math: 0.000168 percent of the atmosphere is CO2 from the U.S. and theoretically available for “reduction.” Sheer lunacy. Add to that carbon dioxide's remarkable effect on plant growth - effectively greening the planet - and what are we even discussing this for?
I've never understood this. Anyone who's ever taken a Historical Geology class knows that CO2 levels have been several orders of magnitude higher in the past. Photosynthesis (mostly photoplankton in the oceans) ate it up as fuel and brought it down slightly lower than it is now, starving themselves into a mass die-off and setting off the biggest of the ice ages. It was only the evolution of lignin consuming bacteria and fungi that began to partially reverse this process and enable levels to rise above this floor a bit. We're not far above it. Plants love CO2. We can easily stand more of it. Sea levels will rise a bit, but they are still pretty low now, historically, and this can easily be adapted to as it will be slow. For most of earth history there were no polar ice caps. The myopia of these people is truly epic.
I was reading that sequestration by coral (shells are CaCO3) and other sea life threatens to drop CO2 levels even further. Any insight on that? (addendum) re: sea levels. The climate hoaxers need to remove the arctic from their sea level rise computations. That ice is floating, and just like the ice in your tea, when it melts it doesn't change the water leval.
I try to explain that to people they look at me like deer in headlights , we are soi fucked
I've read that also - and that contrary to Green Belief those coral atoll islands are actually growing faster than the sea level is rising (I think the current rate is about 1 cm a decade but this is from memory). Satellite imagery shows net gain of land area. It's a natural process.
What will be comical is watching things thrown hard the other way when the next ice age comes along (roughly 5-15k years) should humans still be around to see it. Then they'll be trying to figure out how to generate more CO2, or trying to blow up the central American isthmus to let the Pacific Ocean flow into the Atlantic that route like it used to before South America Crashed into North America (plate tectonics). Before that happened there weren't any ice ages except for that first big lack of CO2-induced one. Seems to have re-routed the flow of major warm and cold water currents in some complicated way that causes these ice age oscillations.
The current climate models are so comically crude an inaccurate. There's a great article on Judith Curry's site from several months ago that has proposed one of the big missing link pieces in heat transport theory, involving the fact that more heat radiates away from earth at the poles than elsewhere. It apparently reconciles several of the hugely ignored inaccuracies in modeling. But I notice that nobody in the Climate Change Community has paid any attention to it. The problem is that it would show that CO2 is a minor player in global climate and they don't like that. Can't keep beating their heads with boards if they go that route. (Monty Python)
In case anyone is interested, I tracked down a couple links. It's actually tricky - there is a lot of deceptive stuff out there; mostly truncating graphs to eliminate the inconvenient stuff. One of the best graphs I've run across compares O2 with CO2 back almost a billion years - it's in Steve Drury's book "Stepping Stones". But I can't find a stable link to this graph. I have a copy of it on my (private) website, but if I link it from here someone will probably DDS me out of existence. But these links make the point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phanerozoic_Carbon_Dioxide.png
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/1018
https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=77
And the paper Judith Curry was reviewing is discussed here:
https://judithcurry.com/2022/10/20/winter-gatekeeper-hypothesis-new-support-for-the-effect-of-solar-activity-on-lower-atmospheric-circulation/
Agree fully. We are demonizing the gas that makes beer bubble and bread rise. And for that matter, that makes us breathe. We don't respond to insufficient oxygen, but too much carbon dioxide. That triggers breathing.
This is just one of many things that are bat guano insane.
Precisely. Climate alarmism is merely the strategy of enemies of capitalism to subjugate the world to an authoritarian regime. It’s astonishing that so many wealthy individuals ascribe to this nonsense, believing they will somehow be exempted as the guillotines of the “woke” are strategically located in financial centers worldwide.
it is just old time religion wrapped in a new package instead of witches and blasphemers it is carbon burners and capitalists . I am all for a clean water and air supply , but don´t sell me cars are the culprit . Hit big industries dumping tons of crap in the water and air . Ever notice how there are strange weather patterns in areas of those big hydro projects ? China and India have had much bigger rain seasons and heat waves since the new hydro projects cut down all those trees to make room for huge heat sink waterways