Any doctor, medical professional, educator or parent who knowingly aids or assists in the sex transitioning of a minor child should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed. Full stop.
Any doctor, medical professional, educator or parent who knowingly aids or assists in the sex transitioning of a minor child should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed. Full stop.
Please define what you mean by "conversion therapy." In most blue states this term has been interpreted to include all of the established evaluation and treatment procedures that are based in evidence from competent ethical research and clinical practice.
Not a fan of conversion therapy. But there’s no equating the bodily mutilation that is part of trans conversion to behavioral conversion therapy. Have a sense of proportion.
It comes down to the same attitude, to forcing minors to change their natural identity. That's a decision only adults can make and a crippled psyche is just as bad as a crippled body. Just ask victims. I'm strongly opposed to both practices and believe anybody involved in either one should face the same criminal charges and liabilities.
I predict 10 or 20 years down the road there will be a huge reckoning when the damage this "gender affirming therapy" does to human beings will start to become undeniable, when enough victims have reached adulthood and are able to speak out. It will be a "me-too" like moment, when the silence finally breaks and we'll get flooded with victim statements, that could be suppressed before, by a lobby as powerful as the lobby that managed to keep the appalling crimes of the churches under the rug for so long. But then it will be too late for way to many whose whole life is already destroyed. That's the sad part. Now there are still too many afraid to speak out and in fear for their careers to really make a difference.
What they're doing is perfectly legal, so until lawmakers change that, there's no way to arrest, prosecute, or jail. Time for good people everywhere to bang on the doors of the politicians' dens on behalf of America's children.
The laws on gender identification need to change first. It is ridiculous that a minor can diagnose themselves and no professional can disagree with the minor’s diagnosis without violating the law …let’s start with allowing professionals to make the diagnosis and direct the treatment. This is vital because one reads in this articles and other articles that there are underlying issues & crises that are neglected in support of the child’s diagnosis of gender dysphoria. Many of the genital surgeries are classified as experimental forcing the patient to surrender their ability to sue. Change the laws for experimental surgeries on minors so that the patient can sue….how many of the medical professions will continue if they are also put at risk?!
Most pro-gender affirmative care states have enacted or are in the process of enacting laws that protect healthcare providers from law suits as long as the providers conform to the WPATH program.
Terrible. I have to think this whole "trans" AGenda is ripe for tumbling down. I am for Nuremberg style trials. Dr. Jack Turban (who publishes nonsense studies) and Dr. Jason Rafferty (president of the AAP) are both being sued. The WPATH has been discredited with Michael Shellenberger's WPATH Files. Of course, the narcissists and the quacks are not going to just give up and this stuff is entrenched in our US politics. A Trump win could help a bit with the politics... Admiral Levine should lose his medical license. Also, I would like to see some cases make it to the Supreme Court.
I'm delighted to hear about Turban getting sued. He has contributed more than any other gender care professional to corrupt, incompetent research and corrupt, incompetent interpretations of other peoples' research. The executive committees that head up the professional healthcare associations should also be sued for filing briefs that flat out lied about the presence of an adequate evidence base and consensus of professional opinion regarding GAC.
Commenters on other sites have stated that doctors can be sued even if they followed the standard of care if they failed to obtain informed consent, which has to include full disclosure of the risks of the procedures by the doctor and disclosure of the experimental nature of the treatment (as opposed to calling it the "gold standard"). It is also possible that courts could shoot down some parts of the legislation that has been passed to protect GAC providers.
Dr. Stephen Levine has things to say regarding informed consent. The short version is that young people are not good at weighing this stuff against their future selves. What a concept. Maybe there were people we once respected a little bit concerning youth - especially in the schools for which they pay taxes. It sounded like Pa Pa Pa Parentssss?
"Reconsidering Informed Consent for Trans-Identified Children, Adolescents, and Young Adults
"b. Older adolescents. Adolescents may be only slightly receptive to weighing this risk to their future reproductive aspirations. The teenagers may claim irrelevance (“I don’t want to be a parent”), speak of belief in the progress of medical science, or recall reading on the Internet about a trans adult’s reproductive success. The young patient’s passionate certainty is a barrier to informed consent."
Even if the adolescent is not passionately certain, however, they are still too young to be able to give informed consent. And obviously, the parents should not be permitted to consent to the uniformly destructive experimentation that is GAC. The providers should not have entered into conversations about informed consent to being with in the case of GAC, and the WPATH records show they persisted in doing so even when they knew the process was invalid.
Maybe some of the doctors involved were like the boiled frogs. They might have started out with normal ethics, but then gave ground an inch at a time to the twisted mind games of the ideologues. At this point they talk openly about committing malpractice without any apparent recognition that this is what they are doing, as if they were doing something normal but not quite feasible.
I agree. I think the schools are a big problem even before it gets to medicine.
And I think that the "Slowly Boiled Frog" is the way that many young people enter into what to me appears to be a cult among teenagers, especially girls who are so susceptible to these socially spread ideas. "Am I fat? Oh, I am fat, too!" One little step at a time along a slippery slope... No one thing seems like a big deal to them. Then, they wind up at the latest Heavens Gate or NXIVM - only this one is state supported. They are love bombed and told non-believers are haters.
Courts certainly should shoot down some parts of bad legislation. A problem has been that we have mom judges who have transed a child and fail to recuse themselves. They've have drunk the Koolaid with regard to their own kid.
I might have that wrong about Turban being sued. He was deposed. His testimony was supposed to support the GAC side but misfired:
“Leor Sapir The Deposition of Jack Turban
One of America’s leading gender clinicians proves that he doesn’t understand evidence-based medicine.”
“Few figures in the medical world generate more controversy than psychiatrist Jack Turban. An assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco, Turban is one of the leading figures promoting “gender-affirming care” in the United States. He is also regularly criticized for producing deeply flawed research and denying the significant rollback of youth gender transition in Europe.”
I think it's more than just laws that is the problem, though they must be changed. There's a quite from the Swedish doc in the article on how these are medical treatments, not something you can order. I have been to a doctor on more than one occasion complaining on feeling this and that and suggesting I might have one thing or another, but the response from the doctor was always to run some tests and figure things out, not to go along with my thoughts and feelings.
Who are these "doctors" with the "order from the menu" approach? Where is this attitude coming from, because it will spread to other areas of medicine.
Woke ideologues have taken over all major healthcare professional associations, and most medical schools. The entire field of medicine is being shifted towards an activist function, and most medical schools are discarding meritocratic selection of students, interns, residents and faculty and using DEI criteria instead.
That’s the definition of the “Affirmation Only” approach, which both the AMA and APA say is the only acceptable way to treat kids with Gender Dysphoria. With Affirmation Only docs must not question what a child (or, especially with younger kids, a parent) says they are. A boy “knows” he’s a girl, affirm it and give him puberty blockers then wrong sex hormones.
A teenage girl says she’s really a boy. Same thing. And there are many many surgeons who have had no scruples whatsoever about removing the healthy breasts of girls as young as 13.
Affirmative care sounds like the 2008 financial crisis when lenders simply affirmed people's loan applications.
According to the article, there's is almost no scientific research onto this type of intervention, so a doctor in this case knows little more about the treatment than the kid requesting it.
What doctors do know, especially those working with young people is that the section of human brain that deals with decision making does not fully develop until early to mid 20s. A child is capable of complex thoughts and feelings, including about their gender, or identity but is literally lacking the part of their brain that supports decisions making.
Is there affirmative care approach in any other area of medicine?
An adult, even one suffering from debilitating, terminal illness is denied affirmative care when it comes to end of life.
Well, bat shit crazy is implied in the word Seattle that is part of the hospital's nans, no?
You're describing Seattle's sawant-garde, creatures who raised the idea of "a child is not a person but a parent's political statement" to a whole new level.
In George by Alex Gino, the character knew he was a female because they hated sports, cried when the spider dies in Charlotte Web, and loved the color pink. So using this fabulous definition then any girl who likes swimming, soccer, etc., eschews pink, and/or was not sobbing during Charlotte’s death needs to question their sexuality! What garbage , misogynistic, and limiting definition is being given by males as to what it is to be female. Define a gender as “people who menstruate “ and you de-sex 51% of the population over 45. Defining gender is like falling into Lewis Carrol’s rabbit hole!
Proctor & Gamble which has a huge portion of the (formerly?) feminine product market uses the term people who menstruate instead of women. Coincidentally or ironically?!
I've noticed that trend increasing, and it's bothersome as hell. Besides being literally inaccurate, using the term "people who menstruate" or "pregnant people" is just another way to erase women from our society, and that's horrid. I feel the same way about the phrase, "people who give birth."
Only females give birth, menstruate, and get pregnant. Adults can look and act as "male" as they deem good for themselves, I don't care at all what adults do for themselves. But they should not be allowed to erase half our culture with their insistence that "I'm a man and I am pregnant!" That is utter baloney and should be mightily resisted.
Women spent decades, centuries, kicking down doors to gain equality in our culture. This trend is not fair to women and therefore should be equally unfair to men.
I have no issue with adults doing whatever they want to themselves, from putting pipes through their lips to cutting off their whangdoodles and babybags. It's their lives, not mine. I only object to subjecting children to those irreversible decisions.
From the article above. This is shocking "Meantime, state legislators in California introduced a bill that would allow any child to come to California to medically transition without parental knowledge or consent."
Two points:
1. I have made this before. Adolescents aren't known for their stellar decision making process.
2. A school can't give a kid an aspirin without parental consent but in California they can "medically transition without parental knowledge or consent." On a similar note, some blue states have for years allowed an underage kid to get an abortion without parental knowledge or consent.
How long will it take for the left to condemn those of us who oppose this madness to be declared terrorists?
I've said it before, the inmates are running the asylum.
Classic doublethink of the Left: They have successfully argued that teenagers under 18 or even 21 should not be sentenced to death or even life in prison for the most atrocious of crimes on account of the fact that their brains are not fully developed and they can't form judgments. This was actually cited in a Supreme Court case. But those same adolescents who supposedly can't make mature decisions suddenly become fountains of adult wisdom when it comes to making the abortion and transitioning decision without parental involvement or even knowledge.
Orwellian doublethink, brought to you courtesy of the left.
The Democrats are a loose and non-integrated collection of disparate activist groups at this point. There is not much of an effort made to resolve philosophical or policy conflicts among the factions. The chaos is handled by suppression of any criticism of any group or policy that is currently in favor with the Rulers. It is similar to the politics of monarchy.
I have always been appalled at the notion that teens could get an abortion without parental knowledge. Complications happen. If the girl has been so convinced by people at school that she can't trust her parents, she won't dare to tell her parents the truth if she has a complication. As Leftists keep saying about everything else, "People will die."
In Oregon children who do not have parents' support for "gender affirmative care" can get funding for drugs and surgeries via the state's version of Medicaid. Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland conducts "gender surgeries," and one of the surgeons there has invented robot-assisted technology for doing them. He is a they/them, and is comfortable performing bizarre surgeries for people who want both sets of equipment.
It's so incredibly evil. I can not imagine living in Oregon and paying for this. It is a gorgeous state that has just gone completely bonkers. My uncle (dad's brother) raised his children there and two of them were heroin addicts from the time they were late teens. He probably spent a million dollars just tracking them with a PI to make sure they were alive. One died of an overdose and the other moved to Utah finally, finally, finally she is clean. The middle child was spared and does very well in Colorado. It's a disgrace what cities like Portland have allowed to happen. And it's on course to continue to perpetuate evil.
Most states require parental consent for a minor to have an abortion. The Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom said such laws are unconstitutional barriers to abortion. Such laws must have "bypass" procedures. They can take many forms but the net result was, in essence, to remove parental consent from the equation.
Why would you think that? The Court gave the issue back to the people to decide through the democratic process. That's quintessentially American and how our wise framers planned our republic to function.
The alternative is the autocracy of the courts to decide those things for us. Decidedly not democratic.
Interesting, isn't it, that the Pro-Choice people are shoving gender ideology down our throats, along with its narcissistically abusive rules, giving parents very little choice, if not no choice in the matter of transing their children....
Seems to me the psychiatrists/psychologists have always been the crazy ones. Not all of them, of course, but these folks definitely have issues themselves if they cannot see the harm they are doing.
One of the first things I was told in my graduate psychology program was that the department and university were providing free psychotherapy for any of the students who wanted it, and we were advised to take advantage of the program. One of the reasons that was given for why we should all consider being in therapy was that therapists cannot competently and ethically treat people who have similar psych issues to those the therapist has. Therapist who have had those particular problems but have fully overcome them can provide an added dimension of personal experience to their empathy with clients, but therapists who have not overcome their own problems are more likely to act them out with the client. These destructive behaviors can include over identification with the client that influence the therapist to incorrectly normalize client's abnormal thoughts and behaviors, and to live out aspects of the therapists' wishes, fears, and resentments through the client. For example, the unresolved disappointment and frustration about having gone through male puberty when one much later decides that wasn't one's first choice, or anger at one's parents and other authority figures for limiting one's choices and actions as a child. Many of the professionals who are providing GAC are trans or binary identified, and many have medically transitioned, including presidents of WPATH and some if not most of the most popular gender surgeons.
Ironically, gender issues in kids should *only* be explored or treated by psychs, not by pharma or surgeons. No intervention should be irreversible until one is an adult.
One must ask, in what context is this happening. I will begin reading Klaus Schwab, head of the World Economic Forum, to understand our masters better. Perhaps the new encouragement to transition has everything to do with turning young people against the Western world, and into sjw's. Note the acutely angry and sometimes violent "female" protestors. Gender dysphoria certainly appears a part of the destruction of the West. Somehow the WEF aristocracy must be stopped.
No need to for misandry: females are MDs, medical professionals educators, and parents as well as men. But I support the motion - jail 'em, impoverish 'em, scorn 'em. I really have no mercy for any adult who "affirms" the mental delusion of an adolescent.
It'll take years for America to grow the spine needed to push back once and for all on this nonsense and abuse. No better time than now to start.
Any doctor, medical professional, educator or parent who knowingly aids or assists in the sex transitioning of a minor child should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed. Full stop.
Agreed. That should also apply to those who knowingly aide or assist in so called "conversion therapy" of minors. Let's protect all children.
Please define what you mean by "conversion therapy." In most blue states this term has been interpreted to include all of the established evaluation and treatment procedures that are based in evidence from competent ethical research and clinical practice.
Not a fan of conversion therapy. But there’s no equating the bodily mutilation that is part of trans conversion to behavioral conversion therapy. Have a sense of proportion.
It comes down to the same attitude, to forcing minors to change their natural identity. That's a decision only adults can make and a crippled psyche is just as bad as a crippled body. Just ask victims. I'm strongly opposed to both practices and believe anybody involved in either one should face the same criminal charges and liabilities.
I predict 10 or 20 years down the road there will be a huge reckoning when the damage this "gender affirming therapy" does to human beings will start to become undeniable, when enough victims have reached adulthood and are able to speak out. It will be a "me-too" like moment, when the silence finally breaks and we'll get flooded with victim statements, that could be suppressed before, by a lobby as powerful as the lobby that managed to keep the appalling crimes of the churches under the rug for so long. But then it will be too late for way to many whose whole life is already destroyed. That's the sad part. Now there are still too many afraid to speak out and in fear for their careers to really make a difference.
What they're doing is perfectly legal, so until lawmakers change that, there's no way to arrest, prosecute, or jail. Time for good people everywhere to bang on the doors of the politicians' dens on behalf of America's children.
Politicians have to make that illegal first, and so far, crickets.
Jailed for life it’s a disgrace what they are doing
The laws on gender identification need to change first. It is ridiculous that a minor can diagnose themselves and no professional can disagree with the minor’s diagnosis without violating the law …let’s start with allowing professionals to make the diagnosis and direct the treatment. This is vital because one reads in this articles and other articles that there are underlying issues & crises that are neglected in support of the child’s diagnosis of gender dysphoria. Many of the genital surgeries are classified as experimental forcing the patient to surrender their ability to sue. Change the laws for experimental surgeries on minors so that the patient can sue….how many of the medical professions will continue if they are also put at risk?!
This is the US so I think they can still sue. Here is a lawyer who is working to sue the "Yeet the Teet" doctor Gallagher. https://reduxx.info/exclusive-florida-lawyer-seeking-information-from-gender-surgeon-patients/
Most pro-gender affirmative care states have enacted or are in the process of enacting laws that protect healthcare providers from law suits as long as the providers conform to the WPATH program.
Terrible. I have to think this whole "trans" AGenda is ripe for tumbling down. I am for Nuremberg style trials. Dr. Jack Turban (who publishes nonsense studies) and Dr. Jason Rafferty (president of the AAP) are both being sued. The WPATH has been discredited with Michael Shellenberger's WPATH Files. Of course, the narcissists and the quacks are not going to just give up and this stuff is entrenched in our US politics. A Trump win could help a bit with the politics... Admiral Levine should lose his medical license. Also, I would like to see some cases make it to the Supreme Court.
I'm delighted to hear about Turban getting sued. He has contributed more than any other gender care professional to corrupt, incompetent research and corrupt, incompetent interpretations of other peoples' research. The executive committees that head up the professional healthcare associations should also be sued for filing briefs that flat out lied about the presence of an adequate evidence base and consensus of professional opinion regarding GAC.
Commenters on other sites have stated that doctors can be sued even if they followed the standard of care if they failed to obtain informed consent, which has to include full disclosure of the risks of the procedures by the doctor and disclosure of the experimental nature of the treatment (as opposed to calling it the "gold standard"). It is also possible that courts could shoot down some parts of the legislation that has been passed to protect GAC providers.
Dr. Stephen Levine has things to say regarding informed consent. The short version is that young people are not good at weighing this stuff against their future selves. What a concept. Maybe there were people we once respected a little bit concerning youth - especially in the schools for which they pay taxes. It sounded like Pa Pa Pa Parentssss?
"Reconsidering Informed Consent for Trans-Identified Children, Adolescents, and Young Adults
Stephen B. Levine,E. Abbruzzese &Julia W. Mason"
https://archive.ph/4lR0S
https://transgendertrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Levine-informed-consent-2018.pdf
"b. Older adolescents. Adolescents may be only slightly receptive to weighing this risk to their future reproductive aspirations. The teenagers may claim irrelevance (“I don’t want to be a parent”), speak of belief in the progress of medical science, or recall reading on the Internet about a trans adult’s reproductive success. The young patient’s passionate certainty is a barrier to informed consent."
Even if the adolescent is not passionately certain, however, they are still too young to be able to give informed consent. And obviously, the parents should not be permitted to consent to the uniformly destructive experimentation that is GAC. The providers should not have entered into conversations about informed consent to being with in the case of GAC, and the WPATH records show they persisted in doing so even when they knew the process was invalid.
Maybe some of the doctors involved were like the boiled frogs. They might have started out with normal ethics, but then gave ground an inch at a time to the twisted mind games of the ideologues. At this point they talk openly about committing malpractice without any apparent recognition that this is what they are doing, as if they were doing something normal but not quite feasible.
I agree. I think the schools are a big problem even before it gets to medicine.
And I think that the "Slowly Boiled Frog" is the way that many young people enter into what to me appears to be a cult among teenagers, especially girls who are so susceptible to these socially spread ideas. "Am I fat? Oh, I am fat, too!" One little step at a time along a slippery slope... No one thing seems like a big deal to them. Then, they wind up at the latest Heavens Gate or NXIVM - only this one is state supported. They are love bombed and told non-believers are haters.
Courts certainly should shoot down some parts of bad legislation. A problem has been that we have mom judges who have transed a child and fail to recuse themselves. They've have drunk the Koolaid with regard to their own kid.
I might have that wrong about Turban being sued. He was deposed. His testimony was supposed to support the GAC side but misfired:
“Leor Sapir The Deposition of Jack Turban
One of America’s leading gender clinicians proves that he doesn’t understand evidence-based medicine.”
https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-deposition-of-jack-turban
“Few figures in the medical world generate more controversy than psychiatrist Jack Turban. An assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco, Turban is one of the leading figures promoting “gender-affirming care” in the United States. He is also regularly criticized for producing deeply flawed research and denying the significant rollback of youth gender transition in Europe.”
Well we can continue to hope that Turban will be sued.
Leor Sapir's recent writing on gender for the City Journal has been amazing!
I think it's more than just laws that is the problem, though they must be changed. There's a quite from the Swedish doc in the article on how these are medical treatments, not something you can order. I have been to a doctor on more than one occasion complaining on feeling this and that and suggesting I might have one thing or another, but the response from the doctor was always to run some tests and figure things out, not to go along with my thoughts and feelings.
Who are these "doctors" with the "order from the menu" approach? Where is this attitude coming from, because it will spread to other areas of medicine.
Woke ideologues have taken over all major healthcare professional associations, and most medical schools. The entire field of medicine is being shifted towards an activist function, and most medical schools are discarding meritocratic selection of students, interns, residents and faculty and using DEI criteria instead.
The Hippocratic oath has become the hypocritical oath!
That’s the definition of the “Affirmation Only” approach, which both the AMA and APA say is the only acceptable way to treat kids with Gender Dysphoria. With Affirmation Only docs must not question what a child (or, especially with younger kids, a parent) says they are. A boy “knows” he’s a girl, affirm it and give him puberty blockers then wrong sex hormones.
A teenage girl says she’s really a boy. Same thing. And there are many many surgeons who have had no scruples whatsoever about removing the healthy breasts of girls as young as 13.
Affirmative care sounds like the 2008 financial crisis when lenders simply affirmed people's loan applications.
According to the article, there's is almost no scientific research onto this type of intervention, so a doctor in this case knows little more about the treatment than the kid requesting it.
What doctors do know, especially those working with young people is that the section of human brain that deals with decision making does not fully develop until early to mid 20s. A child is capable of complex thoughts and feelings, including about their gender, or identity but is literally lacking the part of their brain that supports decisions making.
Is there affirmative care approach in any other area of medicine?
An adult, even one suffering from debilitating, terminal illness is denied affirmative care when it comes to end of life.
The parallels to the opioid crisis are striking.
They are making lots of money. So much for the Hippocratic Oath-Do no harm.
I just posted above that the Hippocratic oath has become the hypocritical oath.
See, that's the thing. These doctors believe they are healing rather than hurting.
The delusion is not simply the child's. The more dangerous delusion is held by the person with the prescription pad.
Well, bat shit crazy is implied in the word Seattle that is part of the hospital's nans, no?
You're describing Seattle's sawant-garde, creatures who raised the idea of "a child is not a person but a parent's political statement" to a whole new level.
We can’t define “woman” but a child can define his gender with 100% certainty.
Who ever imagined this alternative universe he live in?
In George by Alex Gino, the character knew he was a female because they hated sports, cried when the spider dies in Charlotte Web, and loved the color pink. So using this fabulous definition then any girl who likes swimming, soccer, etc., eschews pink, and/or was not sobbing during Charlotte’s death needs to question their sexuality! What garbage , misogynistic, and limiting definition is being given by males as to what it is to be female. Define a gender as “people who menstruate “ and you de-sex 51% of the population over 45. Defining gender is like falling into Lewis Carrol’s rabbit hole!
Most of this crap is also being advocated by misogynistic women. Many of whom label themselves as "feminists."
Proctor & Gamble which has a huge portion of the (formerly?) feminine product market uses the term people who menstruate instead of women. Coincidentally or ironically?!
I've noticed that trend increasing, and it's bothersome as hell. Besides being literally inaccurate, using the term "people who menstruate" or "pregnant people" is just another way to erase women from our society, and that's horrid. I feel the same way about the phrase, "people who give birth."
Only females give birth, menstruate, and get pregnant. Adults can look and act as "male" as they deem good for themselves, I don't care at all what adults do for themselves. But they should not be allowed to erase half our culture with their insistence that "I'm a man and I am pregnant!" That is utter baloney and should be mightily resisted.
Women spent decades, centuries, kicking down doors to gain equality in our culture. This trend is not fair to women and therefore should be equally unfair to men.
At Rockaway Beach yesterday, I spotted a "trans man":
A woman with mastectomy scars, which ironically look like two smiles where her breasts used to be.
Each time I spot one of these people -- the males with the training bra boobies trotting along in short skirts on masculine legs, I think:
There goes a man pretending to be a woman.
There goes a woman pretending to be a man.
They just aren't fooling anyone, no matter what they do to themselves. The Emperor has no clothes.
I have no issue with adults doing whatever they want to themselves, from putting pipes through their lips to cutting off their whangdoodles and babybags. It's their lives, not mine. I only object to subjecting children to those irreversible decisions.
Excellent observation, X, thank you.
From the article above. This is shocking "Meantime, state legislators in California introduced a bill that would allow any child to come to California to medically transition without parental knowledge or consent."
Two points:
1. I have made this before. Adolescents aren't known for their stellar decision making process.
2. A school can't give a kid an aspirin without parental consent but in California they can "medically transition without parental knowledge or consent." On a similar note, some blue states have for years allowed an underage kid to get an abortion without parental knowledge or consent.
How long will it take for the left to condemn those of us who oppose this madness to be declared terrorists?
I've said it before, the inmates are running the asylum.
Classic doublethink of the Left: They have successfully argued that teenagers under 18 or even 21 should not be sentenced to death or even life in prison for the most atrocious of crimes on account of the fact that their brains are not fully developed and they can't form judgments. This was actually cited in a Supreme Court case. But those same adolescents who supposedly can't make mature decisions suddenly become fountains of adult wisdom when it comes to making the abortion and transitioning decision without parental involvement or even knowledge.
Orwellian doublethink, brought to you courtesy of the left.
The Democrats are a loose and non-integrated collection of disparate activist groups at this point. There is not much of an effort made to resolve philosophical or policy conflicts among the factions. The chaos is handled by suppression of any criticism of any group or policy that is currently in favor with the Rulers. It is similar to the politics of monarchy.
Yes! One didn't fly over the coocoo's nest, thousands invaded it and took it over.
I have always been appalled at the notion that teens could get an abortion without parental knowledge. Complications happen. If the girl has been so convinced by people at school that she can't trust her parents, she won't dare to tell her parents the truth if she has a complication. As Leftists keep saying about everything else, "People will die."
And who does the state of California expect to pay for these drugs and surgeries, not only now, but for a lifetime!
In Oregon children who do not have parents' support for "gender affirmative care" can get funding for drugs and surgeries via the state's version of Medicaid. Oregon Health Sciences University in Portland conducts "gender surgeries," and one of the surgeons there has invented robot-assisted technology for doing them. He is a they/them, and is comfortable performing bizarre surgeries for people who want both sets of equipment.
It's so incredibly evil. I can not imagine living in Oregon and paying for this. It is a gorgeous state that has just gone completely bonkers. My uncle (dad's brother) raised his children there and two of them were heroin addicts from the time they were late teens. He probably spent a million dollars just tracking them with a PI to make sure they were alive. One died of an overdose and the other moved to Utah finally, finally, finally she is clean. The middle child was spared and does very well in Colorado. It's a disgrace what cities like Portland have allowed to happen. And it's on course to continue to perpetuate evil.
Most states require parental consent for a minor to have an abortion. The Supreme Court in its infinite wisdom said such laws are unconstitutional barriers to abortion. Such laws must have "bypass" procedures. They can take many forms but the net result was, in essence, to remove parental consent from the equation.
I suspect in light of Dobbs, that “wisdom” no longer the law.
Why would you think that? The Court gave the issue back to the people to decide through the democratic process. That's quintessentially American and how our wise framers planned our republic to function.
The alternative is the autocracy of the courts to decide those things for us. Decidedly not democratic.
Interesting, isn't it, that the Pro-Choice people are shoving gender ideology down our throats, along with its narcissistically abusive rules, giving parents very little choice, if not no choice in the matter of transing their children....
You can abort any time for any reason, but once that kid is here, THEY own it, not you. Gotta love it.
Only after the murder of tens of millions of murders have been performed.
Great observation. Point well made!
You've got the right of it JoAnne.
The laws are all cock-eyed. Some-a it coming from court cases I've forgotten.
At minimum, a medical doctor who is an advocate of these "treatments" should be stripped of his or her license to practice medicine.
Seems to me the psychiatrists/psychologists have always been the crazy ones. Not all of them, of course, but these folks definitely have issues themselves if they cannot see the harm they are doing.
One of the first things I was told in my graduate psychology program was that the department and university were providing free psychotherapy for any of the students who wanted it, and we were advised to take advantage of the program. One of the reasons that was given for why we should all consider being in therapy was that therapists cannot competently and ethically treat people who have similar psych issues to those the therapist has. Therapist who have had those particular problems but have fully overcome them can provide an added dimension of personal experience to their empathy with clients, but therapists who have not overcome their own problems are more likely to act them out with the client. These destructive behaviors can include over identification with the client that influence the therapist to incorrectly normalize client's abnormal thoughts and behaviors, and to live out aspects of the therapists' wishes, fears, and resentments through the client. For example, the unresolved disappointment and frustration about having gone through male puberty when one much later decides that wasn't one's first choice, or anger at one's parents and other authority figures for limiting one's choices and actions as a child. Many of the professionals who are providing GAC are trans or binary identified, and many have medically transitioned, including presidents of WPATH and some if not most of the most popular gender surgeons.
Ironically, gender issues in kids should *only* be explored or treated by psychs, not by pharma or surgeons. No intervention should be irreversible until one is an adult.
Two “full stops” in a row. This should not even be debatable.
And all his money confiscated to pay his victims. Jail is not enough.
One must ask, in what context is this happening. I will begin reading Klaus Schwab, head of the World Economic Forum, to understand our masters better. Perhaps the new encouragement to transition has everything to do with turning young people against the Western world, and into sjw's. Note the acutely angry and sometimes violent "female" protestors. Gender dysphoria certainly appears a part of the destruction of the West. Somehow the WEF aristocracy must be stopped.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” - Voltaire
That is the purpose.
Great quote, thanks for posting it!
No need to for misandry: females are MDs, medical professionals educators, and parents as well as men. But I support the motion - jail 'em, impoverish 'em, scorn 'em. I really have no mercy for any adult who "affirms" the mental delusion of an adolescent.
It'll take years for America to grow the spine needed to push back once and for all on this nonsense and abuse. No better time than now to start.