If you're looking to the Democrats to save Israel all you need to see how foolish that hope is, is their current (and former) obsession with making "peace" with Iran. While there are many things to dislike about the GOP, they may be Israel's last true allies in the entire world.
Think about that for a moment while I remind everyone here t…
If you're looking to the Democrats to save Israel all you need to see how foolish that hope is, is their current (and former) obsession with making "peace" with Iran. While there are many things to dislike about the GOP, they may be Israel's last true allies in the entire world.
Think about that for a moment while I remind everyone here that elections have consequences. Not just at the gas station or for inflation because the current administration is printing money in such volume it would make Hugo Chavez think twice. No, our elections have consequences all around the world.
I didn't vote for Trump either time for personal reasons, because I find him an abhorant human being, and I can't vote for a "lesser evil" because it's still voting for evil. However, look at our last six months, and look at the world over the last six months, and truly ask yourselves if we would be in this mess or if Israel would be in this mess had Trump been reelected.
As much as I don't like Trump and most of y'all don't like Trump, we are in a world of crap the next three and a half years because "Trump had to go."
Don’t do Twitter. It sounded like a confession to me. Sorry you didn’t get the response you hoped for. I’m not sure what else to say to people that admit they voted for the nightmare we are living through yet somehow find a way to justify it. Probably best to just admit you made a horrible mistake and beg for forgiveness. Not from me. From the Jews being attacked by Islamist terrorists and their allies in the Democrat party.
I think you have even more of a less intelligent response in you, Idaho. What do you say, how about you really come at me with an even more ridiculous ad hominem attack than this?
I make the choices I make for me, as an individual, based on what I can live with and what I can't. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with individual rights and individual choice.
If you think I didn't understand what the choices represented, you have reading comprehension issues.
The choices I make with regards to voting I made for moral reasons. MY moral reasons. It's that simple. I will not compromise my morality for a lesser evil. I refuse to do it.
The people in this country don't understand, when you have a choice between two terrible people to vote for, it's never a binary choice. It's a trinary choice.
You can chose the turd or you can choose the shit-sandwich or you can choose not to vote in protest.
I chose to vote no in protest of the choices I was given, regardless of "what is at stake."
Absolutely. When faced with the lesser of two evil BS I choose none. Lets all stop voting for shitty politicians. I agree with everything you stated and I am truly concerned for the future of our country. It is unrecognizable. I can say that with confidence as when I was born we still had a couple of civil war vets around. Shame on us!
As for what I do or do not do, never do I consider for a moment if it is worthy of "praise," only if it is right or it is wrong.
You want to find people who want praise, go to twitter or instagram or your local college full of Millennials and Gen-z, people who have been over-praised for nothing their entire lives and live for those lies they're told about how great they are.
I really don't see why a no vote is a better vote than a vote for the lesser of two evils. If our collective voices have a choice to pick a leader who will cause less damage and less pain than the other pick, isn't that the correct moral choice. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I voted for Obama twice only to watch in horror as he set in motion the deceit that the police disproportionately shoot blacks because of homicidal bias and that racism is both "systemic" and "in our (white people's DNA) and ever since then this current Democratic Party has done nothing but divide this country. All of this insanity, this anti white racism which is being fed white children started with him and will continue until the Democrats are voted out of office. A vote for Trump, the buffoon, the narcissist, the bully in his own right, was a price that needed to be paid to eradicate this evil and deceit being visited on us by the Democrats; and yes this shit is EVIL. I'm sorry Matt but the choice to not vote given what was at stake is not a noble one.
Yeah, some of y'all are having a difficult time understanding this concept.
I've been accused of looking for praise, or now claiming that my stance is noble, or being told I need to beg God for forgiveness. Some issues I can chalk up to reading comprehension, but now I'm thinking it's a willful obstinance to misunderstand on purpose.
My choice for a protest vote, which I chosen more often than not since after the 2004 election, is a choice that's right for me. I'm not saying anyone else need to do this. I'm saying that our choice is never binary, it's trinary, and for me, I have chosen to not vote for anyone that I see as an immoral person. It's a personal choice for me so I can look myself in the mirror at the end of the day.
If you could vote for Trump or Biden and look yourselves in the mirror at the end of the day and like what you see, good for you. I could not. Period.
The choice I make I make for myself. The individual is the smallest minority. My vote, my choice, and that includes the choice to refuse to vote. Do you see my point?
Unlike Captain Benjamin Sisko, I could not live with it.
What does it matter if you gain the world only to lose your soul in the process?
Voting for Trump was not the right thing for me. If it was for you, good for you.
I'm not going to tear you down for your choice even if I wouldn't have done the same thing. I guess it's too much for me to expect that same small amount of respect from others.
I'm not tearing you down for not voting for Trump, I'm tearing you down because you admit you knew he had better policies and it would have been better if he won. I respect that you are able to think for yourself and acknowledge the reality of the situation, as many are not even capable of correctly assessing the policies at all.
At the end of the day, a person who cares about right and wrong and their own sense of morality and ethics has to be able to look themselves in the mirror before they go to sleep and account for their actions. For those of us who believe in a life after this, those actions have consequences. While I understand that Trump would be a better President than Biden, better for the country and better for the world, I can't vote for someone I don't believe to be a moral person.
If it were Rand Paul or Nikki Haley and Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang as my choice instead, then I honestly would've had an extremely hard decision to make. This decision between Trump and Biden, who is maybe the most corrupt politician of the last 50 years, was relatively easy for me.
Trump was a stone cold brawler. Mighta not liked his style, but he knew how to fight, and he was fighting for Israel. But again, Orange Man Bad. Those of us (I'm a female) who married Alpha men and are raising Alpha men knew when to laugh. But I was never once suspicious of Trump's love for this country. We were never electing a saint. We were electing a DO-ER, and well, the last 4 months can speak for themselves.
It’s amazing that so many people think left wing media, who openly admit they are Democrats and HATE Republicans, are telling the truth about Trump. It could not be any more obvious that the majority of the media is there to protect Democrats and destroy Republicans. If you want confirmation bias then sure, lap it up. But don’t make the mistake of thinking you aren’t being lied to. You just want to believe the lies which says a lot about you (you being Democrats that believe the media).
It seems the US always go through these periods of disaster before a new President comes along with a new vision to pull us out of the ditch. Here's hoping we also get through this.
I thought exactly the way you did in 2016, refused to vote for a lesser evil or vote for the candidate I despised less than the other, so I voted none of the above. By 2020 that had changed, because of the very reasons you cite in your post. Personality can't be the sole consideration. Besides, I don't get why folks think creepy Joe's personality is any great shakes. It's not. It's only that he doesn't Tweet.
After 2004, I made a choice that I would no longer vote for any politician who I didn't believe was a moral person, regardless of whether I thought they could do the job or not.
As you can imagine, I have not voted often since then.
Nobody is saying you don't have this right. I'm just saying that many of the people who choose not to vote go out of there way to tell everyone that they did this to "make a statement," and I'm not saying that one doesn't have that right or that one is bad for not voting; what I am saying is that when you make that choice your non vote isn't a statement at all. The only meaningful statement that we can make as citizens is to vote. I voted for Trump with my nose held but I kept reminding myself the damage that the Democrats were going to bring with A Biden/Harris election.
You're 100% wrong. The choice not to vote is as meaningful a statement as the choice to vote. It is a protest saying, "No, we demand better."
If that's not your choice, then so be it. I'm not going to denigrate you for voting your conscience or even against your conscience which is what it seems like you did, so I would expect the same respect in return. If you can't, then it's better to let it lay where it is and pass by without comment.
I just wonder how many Democrats took the same moral stance and refused to vote for the Biden/Harris ticket because of their obvious flaws? Let's see: he's a race baiter, creepy with women and children, senile, and Sympatico with the most radical factions of his party; and she's a nightmare in waiting!
Also liberal principles. Individual rights and individual choice are classical liberal principles only recently become celebrated causes by conservatives, mainly because the American Left have completely abandoned liberalism and all it once stood for as a beacon of light amidst the chaos.
True. There has been a seismic shift. I left the Dem Party b/c they no longer stood for the core principles they used to.
Trump was a flawed leader. But others are picking up where he left off. I understand why many decided to vote against him (no one really voted FOR Biden). I try to look past the personalities and focus on policies. Too often media use personality profiling to smear candidates . parties. And government is too big for one person to run - so the policies actually do matter at the federal level.
You're obviously a man of principle. I am too. That why I could no longer support Democrats.
There is no mercy, grace, forgiveness, and redemption in this new religion of Wokeism that the Democrats have embraced.
And it is a religion. They generally have none themselves, so like the Marxists of old they make their ideology their core reason for living. Now instead of applying Marx to economics they apply those failed ideas onto culture and spit out identity politics, intersectionalism, CRT, and other evil dogmas of secular religiosity.
The Democratic Party and all its adherents, which includes about 90% of all print and visual media, have gone so far off the rails as to be actually dangerous to the future of this country surviving.
I don't recognize them anymore. No sane liberal who is still actually a liberal would.
Matthew, everything you say is so in lockstep with what I've been thinking the past year, it's like you looked inside my brain. These things are all why I will never be a "vote for the person, not the party" voter any longer, which I had always been. I won't vote a Democrat for dogcatcher now. But I'm curious, are there any up-and-comers on the Republican side that you would consider worthy, like DeSantis, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Dan Crenshaw? It seems that there are some rising stars with good character, less noxious than you-know-who.
I think there are good possible candidates on both sides.
I think Dan Crenshaw has integrity. I believe Rand Paul would be a good President. Nikki Haley would probably be me choice overall.
On the other side, I really like Tulsi Gabbard. I think Andrew Yang has interesting ideas, and if he can be disabused of his ridiculous UBI that would be terrible for America, which we see through the current artificial workforce shortage caused be people getting paid too much Unemployment, I think he would also be an interesting candidate.
Whoever the next Republican candidate is, the media will create narratives and you will think they are evil too. It doesn’t matter who the candidate is. The media will always to promote lies and narratives, to frame that candidate as the devil incarnate. That’s why you need to research and think for yourself.
Are you speaking to me, or in general? Because while I believe 90% of the media would do exactly as you say, I'm not some idiot who can't think for themselves and distinguish truth from narrative.
I don't think Trump is evil. Few people are truly evil. I said he's an abhorrent human being, which I believe he is. You can be an immoral person and not be evil. Evil is a a strong word.
As for your advice, I will accept that you made it in good faith, and won't assume that you're being patronizing on purpose.
If you're looking to the Democrats to save Israel all you need to see how foolish that hope is, is their current (and former) obsession with making "peace" with Iran. While there are many things to dislike about the GOP, they may be Israel's last true allies in the entire world.
Think about that for a moment while I remind everyone here that elections have consequences. Not just at the gas station or for inflation because the current administration is printing money in such volume it would make Hugo Chavez think twice. No, our elections have consequences all around the world.
I didn't vote for Trump either time for personal reasons, because I find him an abhorant human being, and I can't vote for a "lesser evil" because it's still voting for evil. However, look at our last six months, and look at the world over the last six months, and truly ask yourselves if we would be in this mess or if Israel would be in this mess had Trump been reelected.
As much as I don't like Trump and most of y'all don't like Trump, we are in a world of crap the next three and a half years because "Trump had to go."
Nice confession. I hope God forgives you.
So... when you hit send on this, did it ever occur to you this was something better suited for twitter?
Don’t do Twitter. It sounded like a confession to me. Sorry you didn’t get the response you hoped for. I’m not sure what else to say to people that admit they voted for the nightmare we are living through yet somehow find a way to justify it. Probably best to just admit you made a horrible mistake and beg for forgiveness. Not from me. From the Jews being attacked by Islamist terrorists and their allies in the Democrat party.
So I see that as well as being anti-social, you also have severe reading comprehension issues.
I think we’re done here. You are an unpleasant person and no longer make time in my life for unpleasant people.
You seem to be in the wrong place. You’d probably be more comfortable elsewhere.
Nah. I am in the right place and think I will stay. Thank you for your thoughtful comment. It is appreciated and enjoyed.
Way to go Matthew! You and others like you are enabling this crap. Congratulations on contributing to the downfall of the country.
I think you have even more of a less intelligent response in you, Idaho. What do you say, how about you really come at me with an even more ridiculous ad hominem attack than this?
I make the choices I make for me, as an individual, based on what I can live with and what I can't. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with individual rights and individual choice.
Methinks thou dost protest waaaay too much.
Methinks thou should take the path of the wise man, and not the fool.
Dude, I’m not the one who has continually and repeatedly tried to justify myself.
Nope, you’re just the one with nothing to say that hasn’t been an ad hominem attack or a poorly-paraphrased Shakespeare quote.
If you think I didn't understand what the choices represented, you have reading comprehension issues.
The choices I make with regards to voting I made for moral reasons. MY moral reasons. It's that simple. I will not compromise my morality for a lesser evil. I refuse to do it.
The people in this country don't understand, when you have a choice between two terrible people to vote for, it's never a binary choice. It's a trinary choice.
You can chose the turd or you can choose the shit-sandwich or you can choose not to vote in protest.
I chose to vote no in protest of the choices I was given, regardless of "what is at stake."
Absolutely. When faced with the lesser of two evil BS I choose none. Lets all stop voting for shitty politicians. I agree with everything you stated and I am truly concerned for the future of our country. It is unrecognizable. I can say that with confidence as when I was born we still had a couple of civil war vets around. Shame on us!
As for what I do or do not do, never do I consider for a moment if it is worthy of "praise," only if it is right or it is wrong.
You want to find people who want praise, go to twitter or instagram or your local college full of Millennials and Gen-z, people who have been over-praised for nothing their entire lives and live for those lies they're told about how great they are.
I really don't see why a no vote is a better vote than a vote for the lesser of two evils. If our collective voices have a choice to pick a leader who will cause less damage and less pain than the other pick, isn't that the correct moral choice. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I voted for Obama twice only to watch in horror as he set in motion the deceit that the police disproportionately shoot blacks because of homicidal bias and that racism is both "systemic" and "in our (white people's DNA) and ever since then this current Democratic Party has done nothing but divide this country. All of this insanity, this anti white racism which is being fed white children started with him and will continue until the Democrats are voted out of office. A vote for Trump, the buffoon, the narcissist, the bully in his own right, was a price that needed to be paid to eradicate this evil and deceit being visited on us by the Democrats; and yes this shit is EVIL. I'm sorry Matt but the choice to not vote given what was at stake is not a noble one.
Yeah, some of y'all are having a difficult time understanding this concept.
I've been accused of looking for praise, or now claiming that my stance is noble, or being told I need to beg God for forgiveness. Some issues I can chalk up to reading comprehension, but now I'm thinking it's a willful obstinance to misunderstand on purpose.
My choice for a protest vote, which I chosen more often than not since after the 2004 election, is a choice that's right for me. I'm not saying anyone else need to do this. I'm saying that our choice is never binary, it's trinary, and for me, I have chosen to not vote for anyone that I see as an immoral person. It's a personal choice for me so I can look myself in the mirror at the end of the day.
If you could vote for Trump or Biden and look yourselves in the mirror at the end of the day and like what you see, good for you. I could not. Period.
And just roll with the punches...
The choice I make I make for myself. The individual is the smallest minority. My vote, my choice, and that includes the choice to refuse to vote. Do you see my point?
Unlike Captain Benjamin Sisko, I could not live with it.
What does it matter if you gain the world only to lose your soul in the process?
Please, you would have lost nothing. In fact, had you only gotten over your ego, and did the right thing, your soul would have been better off for it.
Voting for Trump was not the right thing for me. If it was for you, good for you.
I'm not going to tear you down for your choice even if I wouldn't have done the same thing. I guess it's too much for me to expect that same small amount of respect from others.
I'm not tearing you down for not voting for Trump, I'm tearing you down because you admit you knew he had better policies and it would have been better if he won. I respect that you are able to think for yourself and acknowledge the reality of the situation, as many are not even capable of correctly assessing the policies at all.
I appreciate that.
At the end of the day, a person who cares about right and wrong and their own sense of morality and ethics has to be able to look themselves in the mirror before they go to sleep and account for their actions. For those of us who believe in a life after this, those actions have consequences. While I understand that Trump would be a better President than Biden, better for the country and better for the world, I can't vote for someone I don't believe to be a moral person.
If it were Rand Paul or Nikki Haley and Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang as my choice instead, then I honestly would've had an extremely hard decision to make. This decision between Trump and Biden, who is maybe the most corrupt politician of the last 50 years, was relatively easy for me.
I know no one who voted FOR Biden.
> Many, many people vote AGAINST Trump.
Many like Trump Administration policies - but could not take the flawed man.
> Even most Republicans agreed he is a flawed man - and I will not dismiss or defend his flaws
BUT NOW, we are left with BOTH a flawed man AND idiotic policies.
> The most idiotic is the pursuit of a deal with IRAN.
Trump was a stone cold brawler. Mighta not liked his style, but he knew how to fight, and he was fighting for Israel. But again, Orange Man Bad. Those of us (I'm a female) who married Alpha men and are raising Alpha men knew when to laugh. But I was never once suspicious of Trump's love for this country. We were never electing a saint. We were electing a DO-ER, and well, the last 4 months can speak for themselves.
It’s amazing that so many people think left wing media, who openly admit they are Democrats and HATE Republicans, are telling the truth about Trump. It could not be any more obvious that the majority of the media is there to protect Democrats and destroy Republicans. If you want confirmation bias then sure, lap it up. But don’t make the mistake of thinking you aren’t being lied to. You just want to believe the lies which says a lot about you (you being Democrats that believe the media).
It seems the US always go through these periods of disaster before a new President comes along with a new vision to pull us out of the ditch. Here's hoping we also get through this.
I thought exactly the way you did in 2016, refused to vote for a lesser evil or vote for the candidate I despised less than the other, so I voted none of the above. By 2020 that had changed, because of the very reasons you cite in your post. Personality can't be the sole consideration. Besides, I don't get why folks think creepy Joe's personality is any great shakes. It's not. It's only that he doesn't Tweet.
He doesn't Tweet because he can't figure out the technology involved in doing so.
After 2004, I made a choice that I would no longer vote for any politician who I didn't believe was a moral person, regardless of whether I thought they could do the job or not.
As you can imagine, I have not voted often since then.
Nobody is saying you don't have this right. I'm just saying that many of the people who choose not to vote go out of there way to tell everyone that they did this to "make a statement," and I'm not saying that one doesn't have that right or that one is bad for not voting; what I am saying is that when you make that choice your non vote isn't a statement at all. The only meaningful statement that we can make as citizens is to vote. I voted for Trump with my nose held but I kept reminding myself the damage that the Democrats were going to bring with A Biden/Harris election.
You're 100% wrong. The choice not to vote is as meaningful a statement as the choice to vote. It is a protest saying, "No, we demand better."
If that's not your choice, then so be it. I'm not going to denigrate you for voting your conscience or even against your conscience which is what it seems like you did, so I would expect the same respect in return. If you can't, then it's better to let it lay where it is and pass by without comment.
I just wonder how many Democrats took the same moral stance and refused to vote for the Biden/Harris ticket because of their obvious flaws? Let's see: he's a race baiter, creepy with women and children, senile, and Sympatico with the most radical factions of his party; and she's a nightmare in waiting!
Also liberal principles. Individual rights and individual choice are classical liberal principles only recently become celebrated causes by conservatives, mainly because the American Left have completely abandoned liberalism and all it once stood for as a beacon of light amidst the chaos.
True. There has been a seismic shift. I left the Dem Party b/c they no longer stood for the core principles they used to.
Trump was a flawed leader. But others are picking up where he left off. I understand why many decided to vote against him (no one really voted FOR Biden). I try to look past the personalities and focus on policies. Too often media use personality profiling to smear candidates . parties. And government is too big for one person to run - so the policies actually do matter at the federal level.
You're obviously a man of principle. I am too. That why I could no longer support Democrats.
There is no mercy, grace, forgiveness, and redemption in this new religion of Wokeism that the Democrats have embraced.
And it is a religion. They generally have none themselves, so like the Marxists of old they make their ideology their core reason for living. Now instead of applying Marx to economics they apply those failed ideas onto culture and spit out identity politics, intersectionalism, CRT, and other evil dogmas of secular religiosity.
The Democratic Party and all its adherents, which includes about 90% of all print and visual media, have gone so far off the rails as to be actually dangerous to the future of this country surviving.
I don't recognize them anymore. No sane liberal who is still actually a liberal would.
Matthew, everything you say is so in lockstep with what I've been thinking the past year, it's like you looked inside my brain. These things are all why I will never be a "vote for the person, not the party" voter any longer, which I had always been. I won't vote a Democrat for dogcatcher now. But I'm curious, are there any up-and-comers on the Republican side that you would consider worthy, like DeSantis, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Dan Crenshaw? It seems that there are some rising stars with good character, less noxious than you-know-who.
I think there are good possible candidates on both sides.
I think Dan Crenshaw has integrity. I believe Rand Paul would be a good President. Nikki Haley would probably be me choice overall.
On the other side, I really like Tulsi Gabbard. I think Andrew Yang has interesting ideas, and if he can be disabused of his ridiculous UBI that would be terrible for America, which we see through the current artificial workforce shortage caused be people getting paid too much Unemployment, I think he would also be an interesting candidate.
Whoever the next Republican candidate is, the media will create narratives and you will think they are evil too. It doesn’t matter who the candidate is. The media will always to promote lies and narratives, to frame that candidate as the devil incarnate. That’s why you need to research and think for yourself.
Are you speaking to me, or in general? Because while I believe 90% of the media would do exactly as you say, I'm not some idiot who can't think for themselves and distinguish truth from narrative.
I don't think Trump is evil. Few people are truly evil. I said he's an abhorrent human being, which I believe he is. You can be an immoral person and not be evil. Evil is a a strong word.
As for your advice, I will accept that you made it in good faith, and won't assume that you're being patronizing on purpose.
Crenshaw and Haley are establishment RINO’s. Desantis is the real deal though.
Why are you here?
You obviously would rather be anti-social. You can do that elsewhere.
Well said. I echo your statement x 10,000