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Steven N.'s avatar

“As we recognize that COVID-19 is not a deadly or even severe disease for the vast majority of responsible Americans, we can stop agonizing over ‘cases’ and focus on those who are hospitalized or at risk of dying,” - The Great Pivot.

In 3 months, news broadcasters will claim this was always their position blocked from saying it due to … reasons.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

It's not deadly for people responsible Americans who are fully vaccinated. That's exactly what the MSM is reporting. Where do you get your news from?

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Dr. Mullen strikes again. lol The omicron variant is simply not deadly. It's like a cold.

What is deadly is your brain addled screeching.

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Gordon Freeman's avatar

I thought Mullet got his panties in a bundle, took his ball, and went home. That what he said, anyhoo...

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Steven N.'s avatar

It’s not deadly for 99% of people. It has, from the start, been a pandemic of the elderly, obese and unhealthy. There are exceptions which the MSM used as fear porn but there is no doubt COVID targeted a very narrow segment of the population.

My data comes from CDC raw data without the extreme bias of the MSM.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

That's exactly what I've read in the mainstream media, which is reporting on what they learned from the CDC and other virologists and scientists. Meanwhile right-wing media is saying that the vaccines don't work , masks don't work, Fauci should be in jail, HCQ and Ivermectin work, etc.

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Steven N.'s avatar

The great pivot is starting among the religious faithful. Faster than I thought it would.

Let's start with your blatant lies.

"Meanwhile right-wing media is saying that the vaccines don't work" There is a difference from being not as effective as promised and not working. There is also a HUGE difference between being anti-mandate and anti-vax. We know about 60% of the people dying from COVID are fully vaccinated. That does not mean they don't work, just the idea that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated is a lie.

"masks don't work." Right wing? We know the effectiveness of masks and the studies have the very low (Ref: Bangladesh study). We also have CNN (hardly a right wing source) saying this week cloth masks don't are worthless.

"Fauci should be in jail" - He should be. There is no doubt (especially since the NIH has admitted to Beckets research being GOF finally) he lied to Congress multiple times to cover up his continued funding of banned studies (using federal dollars). It is clear we conspired with multiple scientist to lie and slander multiple scientists which disagreed with his opinion which may have resulted in 100's of thousand of additional deaths. Ref the Great Barrington Declararion.

The unquestioning loyalty the radical left (AKA: It seems most Democrats now) is why I became an Independent. The Republicans have their issues but the Dems are simply batty.

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Old_at_Heart's avatar

Can you share where you are getting the “60% of the people dying from Covid are fully vaccinated” from? I’m searching for that but coming up empty.

Every news article that I can find on the subject is claiming that the majority of Covid ICU patients are unvaccinated (raw numbers, not on a rate basis). Every data set that I can find is showing that Covid deaths are occurring at several multiples on a rate basis among the unvaccinated vs the vaccinated.

That’s making it hard for me to dismiss the phrase “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.

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Unwoke in Idaho's avatar

It’s a UK number.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

It's not deadly for just about anyone - always has been, from the beginning...

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Matt Mullen's avatar

821,000 dead Americans. Currently 1200 new deaths per day, almost all of them unvaccinated. But it's not deadly? Okay then. Was 9/11 a "deadly" attack?

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james p mc grenra's avatar

Matt... prior to covid, the US lost 5,000,000 in a two year period, roughly 200,000 per mo. i do not know the exact amount that your figure "821,000" includes, but figure, of the 821,000, how many were likely caused by other illness, which most likely "those other illness" would have taken a high mortal rate.

I suspect that the healthy children were as close to dying from Chewing Gum as from Covid...hide the wretched- wrigley. thanks.

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Brilliantly Oblivious's avatar

Here is a post I like describing risks to kids:

Just a reminder of relative risks:

No of deaths children 0-15 from Covid since March 2020 to Dec 2021 (roughly 22 months) = 780

No of death children 0-14 from Motor Vehicle Traffic incidents in the 12 months ending 2019 (latest available data) = 605

This may be useful in determining what level of risk is acceptable. Every child is precious, so use your good sense.

(All data from CDC website- not from Joe Rogan)

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Neil Kellen's avatar

821,000 reported dead WITH Covid. The amount that died FROM Covid is hidden/unknown (intentionally). In addition, many of those who died did so because cheap and readily available treatment was denied to them by Fauci. Highly reputable scientists estimate that up to 85% of those who died WITH covid died unnecessarily. Even using the egregiously overstated 821k number you are talking about a 0.244% mortality rate.

This was very clearly a man-made event, managed to get more money and power for Fauci, Gates, and pharma. It is the playbook they have used for nearly 40 years. Create fear, get billions in federal money and unquestioned power.

It is sickening, made worse by people who blindly follow others.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

Highly reputable scientists? Like that quack Alex Berenson? HCQ and Ivermectin do not work.

You've been utterly brainwashed by right-wing media. Excess deaths are way up around the world. No country is recommending treating Covid patients with HCQ or Ivermectin. Your ignorance about this pandemic can only be explained by your refusal to get your news from reputable sources.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Since you don't read real news sources, I will give you just ONE of many studies, and give you the conclusion verbatim, in addition to the link

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/

Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

CLOSE THE SCHOOLS!!!

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Matt Mullen's avatar

I didn't say that. No one is saying that right now.

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Kevin Durant?'s avatar

MASK THE TEENAGERS AND TINKER WITH THEIR GENITALS!!!!!

(Democrats have been *saying* they want schools open the entire time. Luckily, everyone knows they are full of shit and 100% at fault and this will be reflected in election results)

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Steven N.'s avatar

“ almost all of them unvaccinated.”

That is one of the many lies of the MSM and our current regime. Given vaccination rates in the age group 65 and older nears 100% across the US and this group still represents 60%-70% of deaths, we know you just lied.

There is a reason the MSM is not telling the full truth.

BTW: Prior to the vaccine, this group represented 80%-85% of deaths so there is little question the vac ones have helped.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

From Brookings:

Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans.

A Gallup survey released on Sept. 29 confirmed the KFF findings. As of mid-September, 75% of adult Americans have been vaccinated, including 73% of non-Hispanic white adults and 78% of non-whites. Along party lines, however, the breakdown was 92% of Democrats, 68% of Independents, and 56% of Republicans.

This is because Republicans don't trust the MSM, and instead trust talk radio loudmouth know nothings.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

This is because Democrat blindly follow tyrants and never think for themselves. They just love to be told what to do.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

Anyone who trusts right-wing media hacks over legacy media is a moron.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

anyone who trusts the cult leaders over science is a Democrat

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Matt Mullen's avatar

You are impermeable to reason. That's the definition of a cult follower. You showed me no evidence. You didn't present a single coherent argument. All you do is throw out insults.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

In addition there is this source. But like a vampire exposed to sun, you will probably burst into flames should you dare expose yourself science.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

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Barbelo of the Pleroma's avatar

Not to mention we have no idea how many people are actually vaccinated. The CDC announced 55 million seniors had one or more shot but there are only around 51 million seniors. We have no idea the extent of the profiteering and fraud as vials are dumped in the sink etc.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

Where did you read that?

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Steven N.'s avatar

That is one twisted what-a-boutism.

From your warped logic, we should close all of society for all time given the 100,000 to 180,000 US residents which typically die of the flu every year.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

That's not my logic at all. My logic is if you get fully vaccinated the pandemic is basically over for you. Anyone who isn't getting vaccinated because they fear the vaccine more than the virus is irredeemably stupid. I am fully vaccinated, so two nights ago my wife and I went to a play with a packed house here in Minneapolis. Everyone wore masks and enjoyed the show.

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Unwoke in Idaho's avatar

Why wear masks if the pandemic is over for you? And why are you still here? You said you were leaving.

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Matt Mullen's avatar

No one is saying that. No one.

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