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Hawkeye of Bebbanburg's avatar

You really have to hate the United States of America, be dumb as a rock, or completely corrupt to consider a Biden vote. Whitmer and Newsome as well.

Sure Trump sucks as a person, but if you put his policies on a sheet of paper with Obama’s name at the top, everyone would have thrived and cheered our collective success.

Plus, yes mean tweets and calling corrupt liars liars in a brazen way is not classy... but they are lairs. And 90% of what we were all supposed to hate even more and be terrified by about Trump now all turn out to be fake setups by the democrats. So maybe what Trump lacks in tact, he gets a bit of credit/vindication for being right about?

TDS is real. Cooler heads must prevail. Please people, don’t look such blatant corruption and incompetence in the face and choose it over a fabricated boogie man bag of goods that you have been sold... All just so that you can stay in the good graces of the members of your Chardonnay Book Club who haven’t squeezed out an independent thought (or wrestled with consequences of their actions) in years.

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Lee Morris's avatar

Interesting.

Like so many people on this thread today, I don't think you read this thing through, HL. With all due respect.

The writer is not asking YOU to consider voting for a Democrat, he knows that by far most of the readership of FP skew conservative - he's merely pointing out the quandary Democrats have in being forced to vote for Biden - since their party is basically going to hand him the nomination on a silver platter and the majority of them think Biden is too old and unfit for office. So who else can they choose from within their party?

He's not asking any Republican to choose from a list of Dem politicians they plainly abhor, right?

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Hawkeye of Bebbanburg's avatar

You are absolutely correct. I skew more libertarian, but given the left’s recent assaults on freedom and liberty, point taken.

It’s just so sad that these terrible, terrible people at the top of the tickets are our only choices. That the ones with any integrity are so easily cast aside by the DC machine, and that when truths are spoken, even by brash individuals, that it is so easily vilified.

Guess it’s more of a broad-based disappointment in society as a whole, our failure to curb the power of the corrupt, to be appalled when we witness that corruption, and our species’ susceptibility to propaganda. All when a little intuition and curiosity is all it takes to see reality.

The founders of this country would be completely ashamed of our stewardship of their great experiment.

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Lee Morris's avatar

A strong post. I agree.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

If a majority of Dems believe that Biden "is too old and unfit for office" then they're inflicting the senile imbecile on us tells you all you need to know about their principles, morals and patriotism.

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Lee Morris's avatar

I don’t disagree, Bruce.

Then again, I could say the same thing about the other party by the looks of it - and that other guy.

It takes two imbeciles to tangle. And tango.

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The Shadowbanned's avatar

My issue with Trump isn't actually Trump himself; it's how the left reacts to him. If he becomes the nominee (which he presumtively will be, barring an act of God), he will have been indicted multiple times, possibly be facing jail, and be the ultimate punching bag. His presence on the ballot alone can motive tons of people with no other interest in politics to go vote against him. And if the election is at all close, you can expect rioting over the election results followed by some AI-driven big-tech censorship that will make J6 look like a joke.

Trump was a fairly good president. He was competent at negotiations/treaties, he kept us out of war, he helped put some smart folks on the Supreme Court, and he kept the economy strong until COVID hit. OTOH, he also pushed the jab, eroded gun rights, and did nothing to stem the tide of wokeness/DEI that invaded the private sector or education system from 2016 onwards. He did nothing to protect free speech rights online (which ironically got him deplatformed). He did nothing to address the burgeoning mental health crisis among youth, or attempt to restore the family.

2016-2020 was a HUGE slide downwards in American culture, and while he's not to blame for it, he also did nothing to try to prevent it.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Long past time to start to crush the left.

They are a cancer.

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Just an observer's avatar

Yea, he has a few personal traits that repulse people. His bragging and narcissism were the worst for me I am not talking about TDS, it is a mental disease that remains untreated because they have not found a cure yet. Not that anyone was working on it LOL. So, I am not a fan of Trump’s persona. Quite the opposite. But I can’t help but notice that his behavior in the last three years mostly instills respect. Yea, this was not a typo. He has been brave, calm, confident and stands his ground. Not many people would be able to keep their wits in his place. Just as he kept them during the four years in WH under constant heckling by democrats. He has some admirable qualities, and I am surprising myself by writing it, but honestly, that’s how I feel.

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Chris Howard's avatar

Sorriy, I'm not voting for Trump. If you want his policies, find another guy to carry the load.

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mcara's avatar

Me too. I have no loyalty to the person Trump - what I want is a Republican president who can run a strong campaign and fix the problems. The problems I want fixed are not Trump’s legal issues which are irrelevant to me. There is a reason the liberal press reports polls that show Trump way into the lead for the R nomination - they want him to run and be damaged enough that a senile old man can win re-election. Vote for the Republican who can win against Biden without question - that isn’t Trump.

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Linda in MI's avatar

Vivek has said he likes Trump’s policies. He is so confident, that I don’t think he’d have a problem doing that and much more. There’s a reason he’s polling upward.

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George Neidorf's avatar

The problem, at this point, is that no one knows who that person could be.

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Chris Howard's avatar

And a big portion of the mechanism is dedicated to Trump as a person instead of the policies or the party itself.

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Brian Katz's avatar

TDS is very real.

I have friends that still suffer from this disease.

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Lee Morris's avatar

BDS is catching up, it appears.

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Chris Howard's avatar

I don't disagree. I'm just saying, if you want the policies you need to find someone other than T to get there. If you want to burn down the policies to keep T, then you've got whatever is the opposite of TDS.

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Brian Katz's avatar

You’re making good sense.

I agree.

But T’s base may not allow DeSantis to do that.

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Scuba Cat's avatar

When this article came into my inbox, I just saw, "Are you really going to make me vote for.. " and my mind filled in Donald Trump. He's not my pick, but there is no way in hell I'm voting for any Democrat after these past five years, not even RFK. Also, anyone who the CIA hates has got to have something going for him.

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Kate's avatar

Ditto! I finish that sentence with Trump as well, because I categorically despise the Democrats and everything they stand for and wouldn't vote for one if you held a gun to my head. Maybe RFK, but it's a big "maybe."

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double d ring's avatar

I like to say I wouldn’t vote for a Democrat if you held a government confiscated gun to my head.

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Scuba Cat's avatar

The thing is, I really hated W. In 2004 I couldn't have imagined voting Republican. It's this Soviet thing the current DNC is doing that I just can't abide. Also, the war mongering, but a lot of Republicans are on board with that, too.

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Ben S's avatar

Both are potentially corrupt. Trump obviously so - remember his phone calls to the Georgia DA? Listen to the *publicly released audio recording* and just... believe your own ears.

Tired of this ridiculous simping for Trump. Run another damn Republican!

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Unsaint Finbar's avatar

Trump won that State. The votes were stolen from him. The Governor and Secretary of State participated in the fraud, even though they were and are nominally Republican.

What serious person would think anyone capable of fraud on this scale would ONLY use it to secure victories for Democrats? Kemp is most likely only Governor for the same reason Biden is President.

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T Reid's avatar

This is where we are today. We listen to the same words, watch the same video clip, read the same thing and...perceive 180 degree opposites.

Specific to the GA phone call. I listened to it as soon as it became available (because conservative stuff always leaks, and only crackhead Hunter leaks leftist stuff). It's the Trump team basically pointing out stuff they consider dodgy about the GA election and tallying the many votes that they consider unlawful as a result. And then saying but you don't need to find that total number of illegal votes, you just need to find 14,000 illegal votes. It's such a nothing call.

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Brigid LaSage's avatar

Trump is a conman and a traitor, and those who insist he's still their daddy are just as brainwashed as the woke. Grow up and put country over party like Pence finally did. At least Pence defended the Constitution. All Trumpsters care about is money.

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Gregg Thompson's avatar

Yeah I really hated 0% inflation. Totally sucked.

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Brigid LaSage's avatar

There's a word for selling yourself for money.

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Gregg Thompson's avatar

OK. Then how about that Supreme Court. A court that actually follows the constitution? Imagine that. That might be Trump’s greatest accomplishment.

It’s a joke for anyone to argue that Trump didn’t have a vastly more successful presidency than the current administration. Trump is a flawed person to be sure, but he certainly was the better choice.

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Brigid LaSage's avatar

Some lines cannot be crossed. Daddy may be a good provider but if he's fucking his daughter he needs to go.

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Gregg Thompson's avatar

Hyperbolic thinking like you are demonstrating here is a good part of why we have such divisiveness in this country. Apparently you equate the Trump presidency with an incestuous father abusing his daughter.

I’m pretty sure you won’t be able to resist hanging yourself with the rope I just gave you, but let’s see. I’ve been surprised before.

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Brigid LaSage's avatar

You can roll over and explain away his incitement for insurrection all you want. I'm too patriotic for that and too smart. He's bad for the country. Make better choices.

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Gregg Thompson's avatar

Yep, they take the bait every time. 😂

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Eric T.'s avatar

You cannot be so arrogant as to think that if Trump weren’t in office that inflation would not be rising world wide?

Economic trends represent more than four year presidency stents. I know this is not in line with riding on Trump but these comments are always hilarious.

I cannot wait for the day when Trump nor Biden are our options for presidency. Corrupt to the core.

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Gregg Thompson's avatar

We’ll never know will we? But we know for a fact what a disaster the Biden presidency has been. He was the greater if two evils.

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Unsaint Finbar's avatar

Who did he con? What did he do to warrant being called traitor? Did he take money from the Chinese? Did he risk nuclear war over a nation we don't even have an alliance with because they bribed him to do so?

Please. If you can't stop being silly, please stop parading it in public.

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Brigid LaSage's avatar

He's conned you obviously, but since you seem incapable of an argument that isn't whataboutism that's not surprising.

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Unsaint Finbar's avatar

What I am asking is if you are approaching this on the basis of principle. When people are dealing with principles, they define their terms, and condemn all violations of those principles.

Joe Biden has been proven by bank statements to have taken at least $20 million in bribes from Ukraine, Romania, Kazakhstan, and China. He also happens to be our current President, and also happens to be pursuing dangerous and stupid policies in Ukraine, and policies with respect to China that do not seem to be intended to support American interests, which is the sort of thing you expect from someone who has sold out to rival nations.

There is no equivalent with respect to Trump. He did an outstanding job, got closer to peace in the Korean peninsula than any leader since the armistice, and for that matter was properly nominated for two Nobel Peace Prizes for getting 3-4 nations which had been at war with Israel in principle to recognize it.

All you are doing is repeating meaningless propaganda. It works for people who are suffering from similar induced hallucinations, but not for anyone who has the slightest shred of critical intellect, or a sufficient fact base to recognize patent and egregious lies.

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Brigid LaSage's avatar

My goodness, selling out the Constitution can be wrapped in a lot of words. Even if you were to be solely pragmatic, Trump is too volatile and divisive to be good for the markets or the country. I'm not a Biden fan either, but surely there are better candidates. May the best one win.

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publius_x's avatar

Which administration fights against the first and second amendments to the constitution daily? Talk about sellouts.

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Brigid LaSage's avatar

You can't compare anything to an attempt to overturn an election like a third world dictator.

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publius_x's avatar

You can't compare getting on Marine One and leaving the grounds of the White House to a third-world dictator.

A third-world dictator doesn't leave the premises, and has armed guards shoot the opposition. That didn't happen.

The only person who was shot on January 6 was on the side of your supposed dictator.

This whole insurrection concept is a fantasy, playing on the fears of people who are irrational at the highest level.

Is Donald Trump a nice man? No. Is he vain and insincere? Yes. Is he a dictator? Something tells me that those who think so haven't lived under a dictatorship in their lives.

Meanwhile, third-world dictators do tend to imprison their political foes, and believe that the "people" are too dim to handle "free speech" without government intervention.

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Brigid LaSage's avatar

Even Brazilian strongman Bolsonaro showed more respect for the democratic process than Trump did,with his disgraceful attacks on Pence and march on our Capitol. I'm not defending Dems who are sold out in many ways. I'm a grown up with a moral compass. You and die hard Trumpster's live in a fantasy world of denial where your own-the-libs hero can do no wrong.

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Hawkeye of Bebbanburg's avatar

“Find me the votes” is not, “Go out and print up another few thousand mail-in ballots to tip the scales”.

My ears told me that he rightfully didn’t trust the morons in GA to have located all absentee ballots and outstanding precincts. After all, it’s those election officials who were allowing trunks full of ballots to be hidden under tables in counting rooms, and for “water main breaks” to send everyone home so ballots could be counted without oversight in the middle of the night. (No work order for fixing that water main break have ever been produced, btw).

If the American Experiment is to continue, mandatory Voter ID must be enacted... Anyone still touting the “racist” trope on this topic is an idiot whose own racism of low expectations is nauseating.

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Ben S's avatar

What could possibly shake you out of denial? Do you really expect Trump to be perfectly explicit and say "fabricate or intentionally miscount more votes for me so I win Georgia?" Mistrust of mainstream media - we all have it. It's time to start questioning the trust invested in Trump as well.

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Mike Vogel's avatar

Trump doesn't use words like "fabricate." He say "Find me 13,000 more votes!"

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T Reid's avatar

It's a primary source. I listened to the call.

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Hawkeye of Bebbanburg's avatar

Evidence. Evidence that is presented and leveled in an even-handed way that proves the intent of those words and uncovers any sort of mode of action for cheating... Present that and I would throw Trump completely under the bus and put it in reverse. There simply isn't.

Its the same with many of the Mar-A-Lago charges that rely on prosecutorial mind-reading to establish intent. These laughable proclamations would never even see the inside of a courtroom if it wasn't about Trump.

What there is evidence for, and what is completely glossed over, is the litany of lies that we have been fed by the liberals and the media over the past 5-7 years. What there is also evidence for is that our justice system will criminalize the few words of some, while mounds of actual, intent-proving hard evidence piles up against other pockets of the most terrible people on earth, yet the lack of any scrutiny, let alone charges or media coverage, is completely deafening. (ie: So now that we know that there was Ukraine/Biden corruption, does Trump's impeachment for trying to uncover said corruption get expunged?)

At some point, you have to stop believing that the "experts" and propogandists that have proliferated the lies... not start with continuing to demonize the people/topics that have been most lied about. (ie: Everything COVID)

All of this is certainly a symptom of a deeper flaw. I agree with you that we should not make excuses for anyone... but when the 'crimes' you have been told to believe are either completely fabricated, can only be proven to be crimes if you are a mind-reader, or are happening across the board, yet only one side gets called out and charged... then it is those who control that corrupt system who need to be held accountable.

That is where we are. And that is why Trump's popularity grows with each inditement. People can see that these charges are BS, and they want someone to be held to task for being allowed to make such a mockery of our system because of some narcissistic vendettas that have completely abandoned the law and are patently obvious personal vendettas.

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Ben S's avatar

You're pathetic

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Deb Hill's avatar

I'm leaving here in six hour's, and if you haven't fired the prosecutor I'm taking the billion dollars off the table. Well sonofabitch they fired him.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

Even that was a lie. Shokin wasn't fired until three months after that meeting.

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Deb Hill's avatar

Actually it was two months, but hey, what's a couple of months and a billion dollars.

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Jeff Keener's avatar

I read that Biden was in Kyev in December and Shokin resigned in March. Not that it matters in context to Biden's tall tale.

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Unsaint Finbar's avatar

Imagine if Trump had said that.

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LudicrousLife's avatar

I will never understand sending the poll workers home, pulling the suitcases out, and resuming counting. I don’t care what excuses were made for that. Just not right. Thanks for bringing this up.

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Ben S's avatar

Literally any other R would beat Biden

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Unsaint Finbar's avatar

Trump beat Biden. And obvious NO R can beat Biden if they play the game the same way, can they?

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George Neidorf's avatar

Don't count on that. Have you heard Vivek's latest? Make hard drugs legal. That won't get you any votes.

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Art's avatar

Vivek also thinks voting is a privilege and not a right. You’ll have to pass his government approved test in order to cast your vote.

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Hawkeye of Bebbanburg's avatar

How about being a taxpayer? Maybe, showing an ID?

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Ben S's avatar

So you'd vote Biden over Vivek? Doubt it. Not like a position of legalizing hard drugs will turn off the left either.

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George Neidorf's avatar

I have no intention of voting for Biden. I didn't in 2020 and I won't in 2024. At this point I wouldn't vote for anyone currently running. Whether it does or doesn't turn off the left is irrelevant. The point is hard drugs, i.e. Heroine, Cocaine, Meth are not good for anyone. Do you want to legalize their use?

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Unsaint Finbar's avatar

Selling them illegally is great business for the Mexican and Colombian mafias. Legalizing them would cut the cartels off at the knees, reduce street crime caused by drug wars, and might even reduce overdoses by enabling some quality control.

It's not a ridiculous idea. William F. Buckley Jr. proposed it back in the 80's; because, in any event, this should not be something under the control of the Federal Government. They used those laws to build something large, tyrannical, and ugly.

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Ben S's avatar

Nope but voting for a candidate obviously involves trade offs. Did you not know that or are you arguing in bad faith

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George Neidorf's avatar

I'm tired of voting against rather than for someone. At this point I don't see anything to trade. I'll wait until the voting begins, see who is saying something that I can relate too. I'm not interested in interparty squabbles. May the first debate will shake someone loose. That is, if the questions are intelligent and the candidates can reply with candor and substance, and refrain from taking pot shots at each other.

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RSL's avatar

👌

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