Nobody has spoken with more honesty and clarity than Sam Harris.
Put everything aside and look from the 10,000 foot view. All humanity is dealing with a jihadist death cult. They do say what they mean, and mean what they say. Believe them.
While the outpouring of support for Israel is appreciated, calls to wipe Gazans, and perhaps other Palestinians out are neither moral nor practical. The question of what to do after defeating Hamas is a serious one, though, and unfortunately the West doesn't seem to be grappling with it. For instance, Secretary Blinken has insisted that none of the Gazan can be "displaced" and National Security advisor Jake Sullivan is already insisting that any authority that arises after the war must be a Palestinian authority.
It's not so much that they're necessarily wrong as that they're drawing lines prematurely, and in conformity to the kind of thinking that has brought us to this point. It seems they would be fine kicking the can down the road some more, with a reconstituted Palestinian leadership in Gaza that probably shares the same avidity for destroying Israel, and then perhaps an international conference at which Israel's arm will be twisted to offer yet more concessions to bring the Arabs to the table, from which they'll doubtless walk away again -- unless they take their winnings and start bombing Israel from the West Bank.
For a different take, and one based on a broader history, an understanding of the Arabs as we're seeing them here and a plan that stands some chance of working, I recommend listening to a speech that Dr. Einat Wilf gave to a pro-Israel congressional caucus: https://youtu.be/At72-a-EDhY?si=U2Hdy7PxoSXbNzJ4&t=1070
I'd like to also point out that even here, there's a distortion of the facts on the ground. For one thing, not only the peace activists are interested in Arab well-being. I'm a "settler" and I've driven kids from the territories to Israeli hospitals for their regular treatments. That's not something I would lead with, because I don't need to prove anything, but the idea that the Israeli Right is some monolith of jingoism and hatred is so far from the truth that you just know it comes from the 'Times and WaPo.
Also, although I'm not everywhere at all times, I have plenty of experience with Arabs going through checkpoints and it's about as "humiliating" as a TSA line. Of course you'll get people telling you horror stories, but they'll also tell you that the IDF takes potshots at civilians for sport, that we're harvesting their organs and that we were behind 9/11. You really have to start considering the source.
It’s strange to “rate” this podcast, because you can hear the pain in Sam’s voice.. but this episode is a masterpiece. I was just thinking that if I wanted people to listen to one thing, it would have been this.
Time to name the enemy - radical Islam and Iran . Been obvious for years but thx to Obama it was swept under the rug for too long . Long enough to allow the radical left with help from useful idiots in academia to form an alliance with religious fanatics to defeat a common enemy - western values and American influence . And now Obama is doubling down.
Perhaps this has awakened (no pun intended) part of the Left to something the Right has been saying for years: culture matters. Liberalism can only survive in a culture that believes in the inherent dignity of all human beings. Turns out that "made in the image of God" thing actually matters.
“Hi, Dad—open my WhatsApp now, and you’ll see all those killed. Look how many I killed with my own hands! Your son killed Jews!”
And his dad says, “May God protect you.””
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I have been shitting on the ‘Democrat two-state solution’ pussies my whole life and nobody listens. Maybe this needs to happen. If you’re not going to listen to me then the other option is whatever Arab Muslims come up with.
For now I can't see a way out of this. I don't see how these people will behave if they ever understand what they are doing, or saying, or defending (I'm talking about the demonstrators). If it were me, I would never recover from the shame, but this is just me. And I'm not out there yelling "From the river to the sea" and I know what it means. I will never forget nor forgive.
“It’s important to point out that not only members of Hamas but ordinary Gazans appear to have taken part in the torture and murder of innocent Israelis”
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They aren’t ordinary!!! All of these people are scumbags. It’s Nazi Germany. Jesus Christ I have been saying this forever.
On the Triggernometry podcast that featured Sam Harris and Eric Weinstein, Weinstein commented that all Abrahamic religions have calls to violence in their sacred scripts. Modern Jews and Christians have found work-arounds to avoid violence. Islamists have not found this. I believe that for Jihadists, this is not a bug; it's a feature. It's the sole point of the sect.
I wish people would stop referring to college students as “kids”. They are adults, eligible to vote, join the military, get student loans, etc. Like all adults, they are accountable for their words and actions.
"it’s like the fucking Vikings showed up at Burning Man and butchered everyone in sight"
As someone who has attended his share of raves in his younger days and partaken of MDMA, this is a very apt analogy. It's not the equivalent of attacking a bar full of drunken servicemen. You might as well attack a neo-natal intensive care facility for all the resistance you'll encounter.
This is the same Sam Harris who said, to paraphrase, that he wouldn’t care if Hunter Biden had the corpses of children in his basement” re: the laptop controversy? He’s the go-to guy to tell us about good versus evil? Ok cool.
There are 1.5 BILLION muslims in the world who believe this horseshit - the same jubilation occurred after 9/11 and yet we've been letting them infiltrate the west for decades. Now they have their useful idiots in the universities and cities rallying for their "religion of peace". The PRO crime democRATs are seriously trying to rationalize the murder of babies, children and the elderly because a third-world religion pits tribes against each other; none of these other Arab countries want the Palestinians immigrating to their country - they are their own useful idiots for the sake of jihad.
Well said. The best description ever to describe how terrorism is embedded in Islam and in an Islamic State like Iran. The clerics and fundamentalist do not hesitate to terrorize their own people with a world view that has no conscience or limits to its thirst for power. Hence the suicide bomber.
Nobody has spoken with more honesty and clarity than Sam Harris.
Put everything aside and look from the 10,000 foot view. All humanity is dealing with a jihadist death cult. They do say what they mean, and mean what they say. Believe them.
While the outpouring of support for Israel is appreciated, calls to wipe Gazans, and perhaps other Palestinians out are neither moral nor practical. The question of what to do after defeating Hamas is a serious one, though, and unfortunately the West doesn't seem to be grappling with it. For instance, Secretary Blinken has insisted that none of the Gazan can be "displaced" and National Security advisor Jake Sullivan is already insisting that any authority that arises after the war must be a Palestinian authority.
It's not so much that they're necessarily wrong as that they're drawing lines prematurely, and in conformity to the kind of thinking that has brought us to this point. It seems they would be fine kicking the can down the road some more, with a reconstituted Palestinian leadership in Gaza that probably shares the same avidity for destroying Israel, and then perhaps an international conference at which Israel's arm will be twisted to offer yet more concessions to bring the Arabs to the table, from which they'll doubtless walk away again -- unless they take their winnings and start bombing Israel from the West Bank.
For a different take, and one based on a broader history, an understanding of the Arabs as we're seeing them here and a plan that stands some chance of working, I recommend listening to a speech that Dr. Einat Wilf gave to a pro-Israel congressional caucus: https://youtu.be/At72-a-EDhY?si=U2Hdy7PxoSXbNzJ4&t=1070
I'd like to also point out that even here, there's a distortion of the facts on the ground. For one thing, not only the peace activists are interested in Arab well-being. I'm a "settler" and I've driven kids from the territories to Israeli hospitals for their regular treatments. That's not something I would lead with, because I don't need to prove anything, but the idea that the Israeli Right is some monolith of jingoism and hatred is so far from the truth that you just know it comes from the 'Times and WaPo.
Also, although I'm not everywhere at all times, I have plenty of experience with Arabs going through checkpoints and it's about as "humiliating" as a TSA line. Of course you'll get people telling you horror stories, but they'll also tell you that the IDF takes potshots at civilians for sport, that we're harvesting their organs and that we were behind 9/11. You really have to start considering the source.
It’s strange to “rate” this podcast, because you can hear the pain in Sam’s voice.. but this episode is a masterpiece. I was just thinking that if I wanted people to listen to one thing, it would have been this.
Time to name the enemy - radical Islam and Iran . Been obvious for years but thx to Obama it was swept under the rug for too long . Long enough to allow the radical left with help from useful idiots in academia to form an alliance with religious fanatics to defeat a common enemy - western values and American influence . And now Obama is doubling down.
Perhaps this has awakened (no pun intended) part of the Left to something the Right has been saying for years: culture matters. Liberalism can only survive in a culture that believes in the inherent dignity of all human beings. Turns out that "made in the image of God" thing actually matters.
“Hi, Dad—open my WhatsApp now, and you’ll see all those killed. Look how many I killed with my own hands! Your son killed Jews!”
And his dad says, “May God protect you.””
———————————————-
I have been shitting on the ‘Democrat two-state solution’ pussies my whole life and nobody listens. Maybe this needs to happen. If you’re not going to listen to me then the other option is whatever Arab Muslims come up with.
Good luck.
For now I can't see a way out of this. I don't see how these people will behave if they ever understand what they are doing, or saying, or defending (I'm talking about the demonstrators). If it were me, I would never recover from the shame, but this is just me. And I'm not out there yelling "From the river to the sea" and I know what it means. I will never forget nor forgive.
“It’s important to point out that not only members of Hamas but ordinary Gazans appear to have taken part in the torture and murder of innocent Israelis”
——————————————
They aren’t ordinary!!! All of these people are scumbags. It’s Nazi Germany. Jesus Christ I have been saying this forever.
Keep voting for Democrats. I dare you.
On the Triggernometry podcast that featured Sam Harris and Eric Weinstein, Weinstein commented that all Abrahamic religions have calls to violence in their sacred scripts. Modern Jews and Christians have found work-arounds to avoid violence. Islamists have not found this. I believe that for Jihadists, this is not a bug; it's a feature. It's the sole point of the sect.
I wish people would stop referring to college students as “kids”. They are adults, eligible to vote, join the military, get student loans, etc. Like all adults, they are accountable for their words and actions.
"it’s like the fucking Vikings showed up at Burning Man and butchered everyone in sight"
As someone who has attended his share of raves in his younger days and partaken of MDMA, this is a very apt analogy. It's not the equivalent of attacking a bar full of drunken servicemen. You might as well attack a neo-natal intensive care facility for all the resistance you'll encounter.
Heroes? No, cowards. Barbaric cowards. Subhuman.
When people show you who they are, believe them. Please believe them for all our sakes.
This is the same Sam Harris who said, to paraphrase, that he wouldn’t care if Hunter Biden had the corpses of children in his basement” re: the laptop controversy? He’s the go-to guy to tell us about good versus evil? Ok cool.
There are 1.5 BILLION muslims in the world who believe this horseshit - the same jubilation occurred after 9/11 and yet we've been letting them infiltrate the west for decades. Now they have their useful idiots in the universities and cities rallying for their "religion of peace". The PRO crime democRATs are seriously trying to rationalize the murder of babies, children and the elderly because a third-world religion pits tribes against each other; none of these other Arab countries want the Palestinians immigrating to their country - they are their own useful idiots for the sake of jihad.
Well said. The best description ever to describe how terrorism is embedded in Islam and in an Islamic State like Iran. The clerics and fundamentalist do not hesitate to terrorize their own people with a world view that has no conscience or limits to its thirst for power. Hence the suicide bomber.
Evil is simply defined as those that participate in acts that knowingly and unnecessarily cause harm to others for their personal gain or enjoyment.
And evil is also defined as any set of beliefs that perpetuate the knowing and unnecessary harm to others for collective gain or enjoyment.
Palestinians are evil because they perpetuate the knowing and unnecessary harm of Jews. Current Democrats are evil because they support the same.
We need to eradicate all evil in the world. We should have learned this lesson by now.