This is kind of a stretched comparison, for one, you don't have an apples to apples comparison of how, say any lawbreaking/campus rule breaking Maryland U pro-Palestinian protestors (admitting that they weren't any of those) were handled vs the Greek organizations in question. Comparing how UMD (and Stanford) conducted investigations and…
This is kind of a stretched comparison, for one, you don't have an apples to apples comparison of how, say any lawbreaking/campus rule breaking Maryland U pro-Palestinian protestors (admitting that they weren't any of those) were handled vs the Greek organizations in question. Comparing how UMD (and Stanford) conducted investigations and penalties against Greek organizations vs campus protestors breaking campus rules/laws would actually require examples of each on the same campus.
And I do agree that Columbia/NYC let those "protestors" who smashed and took over a campus building and held campus employees hostage (many of which weren't even students) off the hook too easily, but that doesn't necessarily square up against how not-Columbia OR Columbia colleges handle campus organizations/charters accused of/proven of breaking campus rules. The allegations as provided against the UMD Greek orgs seemed pretty serious (even if later disprove), how would TFP suggest the university should have responded though? What if there was a basis for those allegations, and a student died and UMD had not investigated and/or halted Greek activities (which, I guess TFP left out of this article, is how many pledges have died during hazing and Greek-sponsored parties of alcohol poisoning consumed during pledge "trials")?
Yeah maybe some universities are coming down too hard on "fun" and "normal" campus mayhem, but there has also been a disturbing uptick in the sort of pledging deaths and partying deaths because I guess, the alcohol consumption seems to move past "fun" into "very dangerous" at higher rates since the days of "Animal House"? And families do sue when it's their kids so maybe you can see the university's position as well.
Anyway, weak argument, apples to oranges presented as comparison points, intending to trigger "outrage" that conservatively coded campus groups are getting the hard boot while left coded campus groups run roughshod. And maybe that is true at some campuses, but that would require some actual apples to apples examples, let alone some sort of equivocating of the crimes that occurred: as unpleasant and disruptive and threatening some of the "Free Palestine" campus demonstrations were, none resulted in death, yet there are actual deaths (I don't have numbers right now) that result from hazing/partying at Greek sponsored organizations/events. It doesn't seem that crazy that universities would treat these events and issues differently - even on the same campus, FWIW to begin with. Chartered organizations and their practices that could potentially result in harm and/or death of campus members versus the boundaries around student led protests and demonstrations that conflict with campus peace/student life/etc, yeah these are different issues no matter what so there will likely never be an equally meted distribution of "justice and punishment" for one versus the other to begin with...
This is kind of a stretched comparison, for one, you don't have an apples to apples comparison of how, say any lawbreaking/campus rule breaking Maryland U pro-Palestinian protestors (admitting that they weren't any of those) were handled vs the Greek organizations in question. Comparing how UMD (and Stanford) conducted investigations and penalties against Greek organizations vs campus protestors breaking campus rules/laws would actually require examples of each on the same campus.
And I do agree that Columbia/NYC let those "protestors" who smashed and took over a campus building and held campus employees hostage (many of which weren't even students) off the hook too easily, but that doesn't necessarily square up against how not-Columbia OR Columbia colleges handle campus organizations/charters accused of/proven of breaking campus rules. The allegations as provided against the UMD Greek orgs seemed pretty serious (even if later disprove), how would TFP suggest the university should have responded though? What if there was a basis for those allegations, and a student died and UMD had not investigated and/or halted Greek activities (which, I guess TFP left out of this article, is how many pledges have died during hazing and Greek-sponsored parties of alcohol poisoning consumed during pledge "trials")?
Yeah maybe some universities are coming down too hard on "fun" and "normal" campus mayhem, but there has also been a disturbing uptick in the sort of pledging deaths and partying deaths because I guess, the alcohol consumption seems to move past "fun" into "very dangerous" at higher rates since the days of "Animal House"? And families do sue when it's their kids so maybe you can see the university's position as well.
Anyway, weak argument, apples to oranges presented as comparison points, intending to trigger "outrage" that conservatively coded campus groups are getting the hard boot while left coded campus groups run roughshod. And maybe that is true at some campuses, but that would require some actual apples to apples examples, let alone some sort of equivocating of the crimes that occurred: as unpleasant and disruptive and threatening some of the "Free Palestine" campus demonstrations were, none resulted in death, yet there are actual deaths (I don't have numbers right now) that result from hazing/partying at Greek sponsored organizations/events. It doesn't seem that crazy that universities would treat these events and issues differently - even on the same campus, FWIW to begin with. Chartered organizations and their practices that could potentially result in harm and/or death of campus members versus the boundaries around student led protests and demonstrations that conflict with campus peace/student life/etc, yeah these are different issues no matter what so there will likely never be an equally meted distribution of "justice and punishment" for one versus the other to begin with...