Vegan since 2017 since reading The China Study. Since then I have absorbed much on nutrition science. Calley Means is a zealot who must breathe through his rectum as he is non-stop with sound bite after sound bite after sound bite. I had to stop listening after a while. It would be interesting to know how his comments fared with any fact checking however, in this realm of science so much is purely speculation. RFK may be right about certain aspects of nutrition but his publicly stated views on vaccines makes him too dangerous to serve as the Director ofHealth and Human Services.
To be clear, I am indebted to Bari Weiss and her journalism, and I have felt this way for 3 years. I could start crying if I talk about what this particular independent outfit has meant to me. I think she does great when she - and to a lesser extent her proxies - interviews guests one on one. She pushes back, she asks hard questions, she does her research, she doesn't let people get away with things, and she does it all without fighting or creating more animosity or "us vs them" thinking. I didn't see that kind of journalism with this episode. This was more like a fluff piece where people were allowed to just go on and on without providing data. Which I think is fine, there can totally be a space for that, but maybe just create a different avenue for that that isn't Honestly. For me, it waters down the amazing thing that Honestly has created, and what it has always meant to me - a beacon of reason and sanity in a world that is so often uncertain and scary. As a mom, this episode made me feel more scared rather than less, more afraid of "them" and less hopeful that I can navigate my way through the murky waters. If I can't even use my microwave, I'm sunk, you know? I think it would be wise for your whole team to ask "what were we trying to accomplish with this episode?" And "did we get there?"
I also wonder what Batya Ungar Sargon would say about this episode. She always defends the working class. This episode smacks a little of "luxury beliefs" - not that I disagree about Big Food and Big Pharma being a problem, but average Americans don't have the time, money or resources to make most of the changes recommended here. I also wonder whether Bari was pulling a bit of a Matt Walsh by letting these 3 sort of expose themselves by letting them go on and on unchecked and unscripted. Interesting.
I voted for Trump in a blue state, as a former Democrat. I like RFK, I hope he gets confirmed. I don't have a particular beef with hearing from these individuals, I just would have rather felt that Bari was helping to navigate all this information more effectively.
I have never yelled at an episode as many times as I did this one. This extreme populist vide that runs through the MAGA and now the MAHA movement is frightening. As much as I hate the term misinformation the amount of incoherent conspiracies in this episode was astounding. Please, this require you to do a counter argument episode. But this time can we get some actual medical/ scientific expert opinion and discussion
Even when I've disagreed with you or your guests, I've always respected the extent to which you and your guests debate issues with accuracy and a minimum of partisan innuendo.
But today's podcast was an enormous collection of pseudoscience, conspiracy theory, and "one size fits all" explanations. Seriously, you're better than this.
Please leave Food Babe and her collection of "just informed enough to be dangerous" influencers to their own social media and bring us the informed, balanced, and respectable discussions we've come to expect from TFP.
I was so disappointed in this episode that devolved into an "I Love Bobby" episode while being devoid of any fact checking or your usual and fully appreciated oppositional position voice. There were a great many wonderful points and teachable moments, but they became overshadowed by disinformation disguised as factual data. Calley is so enamored by "Bobby" that he believed himself to be an expert interpreter and kept saying "what he really meant is". Anyone can Google RFK interviews done in RFK's own words and know Calley's interpretation and RFK's own words are two different things. Also, they steamrolled past Barry's one attempt to include manmade agricultural toxins. I guess no one wanted to address what harm "drill baby drill" or poisons in pesticides introduced into the soil may be contributing to the quality of our food.
The reality is that most disease/illness is the result of food choices. Pretending that government can convince people to eat more fruits and vegetables is questionable. As a personal trainer, 100% of my clients increased fitness but very few (even with encouragement & accountability) attained significant weight loss. Those who did change their diet and lost weight did so when faced with immediate, dangerous health consequences.
Calley's claim that Trump is going to weed out cronyism is a bit laughable. I'm not sure what definition of cronyism Calley is using here.
We're talking about a president who has a long record of replacing capable individuals who disagree with him (advisors advising) with yes men. His first term administration was full of lobbyists. Trump didn't drain the swamp, at best he replaced it with a bog. He even revoked his anti-lobbyist EO on the last day of presidency and just rolled back Biden's ethics EO.
To me it's simple: Trump places Trump first and that includes catering to MAHA to get the RFK vote. He doesn't actually care about these causes and his actions have shown that.
RFK making millions off vaccine lawsuits doesn't help garner any trust either. Perhaps you can go to the facts on that one. As you say, follow the money.
There are some good causes that these folks are promoting amidst some of their contradictory statements, but I'm pretty damn skeptical if this administration is going to make progress on anything given the R's anti-regulation sentiment and the agency gutting that's going on. Calley's free market bit seems pretty hand-wavy.
Calley likely has a free-reign consultancy agreement as an 'advisor' to RFK, and likely charges $750/hr or more. Every single time he spoke, he used Trump's or RFK's name, and/or 'right/left'. He was blatantly wrong (otherwise known as lying) on several topics and his hyperbole is only matched by trumps.
Yeah, I'm in agreement with No side of the aisle on this one. I thought the Don't Die guy was unhinged, but this was off the chart. Maybe have three of them cackling in unison had a multiplier effect, but I don't think reasonable people subscribe the theory that everything is a criminal organization only interested in the bottom line. I understand how the guy was probably an effective lobbyist with the "sky is falling" histrionics. Also, I don't like how they attempt to rob people of their agency. Nobody is "doing" anything to you. In most cases, you do it to yourself and have the power to stop doing it. Blaming others for your own problems is a bigger issue than red dye in foods.
I loved the podcast and the information provided about food and prescription drugs, UNTIL the panelists went off the rails on psychedelics. MAHA can be helpful if the leaders stay with their areas of expertise, and don't hypocritically prescribe their own favorite drug recipes. No side effects? You guys know better.
I agree that the comment in favor of psychedelics was scary! Psychedelics can trigger the onset of psychosis in some people, and Matthew Perry's ketamine use killed him.
Yeh I lost it (in my own little mind) when Jillian said..'and they have no side effects'!! I was a consultant to a small company who is studying psychedelics and I can say with certainty that is a false statement.
The very word "movement" of any kind makes my intellectual skin crawl .... Lost souls looking for answers outside themselves and their worlds... often a neurotic form of cultural appropriation, any other culture because fundamentally empty and incapable of navigating their own "culture". (Somewhere over the rainbow.... )
I especially get a kick out of educated and privileged progressive white Americans dressing up as Buddhists or participating in Native American ceremonies, for instance.
Hysterical cacophony. A real low point for reasoned debate among knowledgeable people on an important topic. Bari, I’ve recommended the FP and Honestly to friends and family but now having second thoughts about that and my own subscription. The food babe! Give me a break!
50% of pharma clinical trials cannot be replicated:
-Truth: Pharma companies are required by regulation to conduct TWO Phase 3 clinical trials as part of their development plan in order to gain approval (drugs for rare diseases are usually exempted from this). Two studies are, de facto, replication. Might want to ask him where he got this fallacy. (I spent 37 yrs in pharma, working mostly in Regulatory Affairs from peon level to SVP level, MS-level scientist, and can say with certainty and based on my experience, FDA's expectations are enormously high and no favors were EVER given.)
- GSK and Merck are 'criminal enterprises'. Will simply say that this verges on slander, although I am not a lawyer.
Bari - suggest you fact check him AFTER that podcast. He is full of hyperbole, much like Trump and brings every topic back to politics. The other two have been working in this area for a long time, and they stay in their lane.
And what is this guy drinking in the morning to sound like he's on speed?
One of the best episodes ever!!!!
Vegan since 2017 since reading The China Study. Since then I have absorbed much on nutrition science. Calley Means is a zealot who must breathe through his rectum as he is non-stop with sound bite after sound bite after sound bite. I had to stop listening after a while. It would be interesting to know how his comments fared with any fact checking however, in this realm of science so much is purely speculation. RFK may be right about certain aspects of nutrition but his publicly stated views on vaccines makes him too dangerous to serve as the Director ofHealth and Human Services.
To be clear, I am indebted to Bari Weiss and her journalism, and I have felt this way for 3 years. I could start crying if I talk about what this particular independent outfit has meant to me. I think she does great when she - and to a lesser extent her proxies - interviews guests one on one. She pushes back, she asks hard questions, she does her research, she doesn't let people get away with things, and she does it all without fighting or creating more animosity or "us vs them" thinking. I didn't see that kind of journalism with this episode. This was more like a fluff piece where people were allowed to just go on and on without providing data. Which I think is fine, there can totally be a space for that, but maybe just create a different avenue for that that isn't Honestly. For me, it waters down the amazing thing that Honestly has created, and what it has always meant to me - a beacon of reason and sanity in a world that is so often uncertain and scary. As a mom, this episode made me feel more scared rather than less, more afraid of "them" and less hopeful that I can navigate my way through the murky waters. If I can't even use my microwave, I'm sunk, you know? I think it would be wise for your whole team to ask "what were we trying to accomplish with this episode?" And "did we get there?"
I also wonder what Batya Ungar Sargon would say about this episode. She always defends the working class. This episode smacks a little of "luxury beliefs" - not that I disagree about Big Food and Big Pharma being a problem, but average Americans don't have the time, money or resources to make most of the changes recommended here. I also wonder whether Bari was pulling a bit of a Matt Walsh by letting these 3 sort of expose themselves by letting them go on and on unchecked and unscripted. Interesting.
I voted for Trump in a blue state, as a former Democrat. I like RFK, I hope he gets confirmed. I don't have a particular beef with hearing from these individuals, I just would have rather felt that Bari was helping to navigate all this information more effectively.
This could have been a great episode, terrible format, talking over each other, it sounded like gibberish
I have never yelled at an episode as many times as I did this one. This extreme populist vide that runs through the MAGA and now the MAHA movement is frightening. As much as I hate the term misinformation the amount of incoherent conspiracies in this episode was astounding. Please, this require you to do a counter argument episode. But this time can we get some actual medical/ scientific expert opinion and discussion
Seriously, Food Babe?
Even when I've disagreed with you or your guests, I've always respected the extent to which you and your guests debate issues with accuracy and a minimum of partisan innuendo.
But today's podcast was an enormous collection of pseudoscience, conspiracy theory, and "one size fits all" explanations. Seriously, you're better than this.
Please leave Food Babe and her collection of "just informed enough to be dangerous" influencers to their own social media and bring us the informed, balanced, and respectable discussions we've come to expect from TFP.
I was so disappointed in this episode that devolved into an "I Love Bobby" episode while being devoid of any fact checking or your usual and fully appreciated oppositional position voice. There were a great many wonderful points and teachable moments, but they became overshadowed by disinformation disguised as factual data. Calley is so enamored by "Bobby" that he believed himself to be an expert interpreter and kept saying "what he really meant is". Anyone can Google RFK interviews done in RFK's own words and know Calley's interpretation and RFK's own words are two different things. Also, they steamrolled past Barry's one attempt to include manmade agricultural toxins. I guess no one wanted to address what harm "drill baby drill" or poisons in pesticides introduced into the soil may be contributing to the quality of our food.
The reality is that most disease/illness is the result of food choices. Pretending that government can convince people to eat more fruits and vegetables is questionable. As a personal trainer, 100% of my clients increased fitness but very few (even with encouragement & accountability) attained significant weight loss. Those who did change their diet and lost weight did so when faced with immediate, dangerous health consequences.
Calley's claim that Trump is going to weed out cronyism is a bit laughable. I'm not sure what definition of cronyism Calley is using here.
We're talking about a president who has a long record of replacing capable individuals who disagree with him (advisors advising) with yes men. His first term administration was full of lobbyists. Trump didn't drain the swamp, at best he replaced it with a bog. He even revoked his anti-lobbyist EO on the last day of presidency and just rolled back Biden's ethics EO.
To me it's simple: Trump places Trump first and that includes catering to MAHA to get the RFK vote. He doesn't actually care about these causes and his actions have shown that.
RFK making millions off vaccine lawsuits doesn't help garner any trust either. Perhaps you can go to the facts on that one. As you say, follow the money.
There are some good causes that these folks are promoting amidst some of their contradictory statements, but I'm pretty damn skeptical if this administration is going to make progress on anything given the R's anti-regulation sentiment and the agency gutting that's going on. Calley's free market bit seems pretty hand-wavy.
Calley likely has a free-reign consultancy agreement as an 'advisor' to RFK, and likely charges $750/hr or more. Every single time he spoke, he used Trump's or RFK's name, and/or 'right/left'. He was blatantly wrong (otherwise known as lying) on several topics and his hyperbole is only matched by trumps.
What is the point of engaging this hippie agitprop? Please refrain from doing so in the future.
Yeah, I'm in agreement with No side of the aisle on this one. I thought the Don't Die guy was unhinged, but this was off the chart. Maybe have three of them cackling in unison had a multiplier effect, but I don't think reasonable people subscribe the theory that everything is a criminal organization only interested in the bottom line. I understand how the guy was probably an effective lobbyist with the "sky is falling" histrionics. Also, I don't like how they attempt to rob people of their agency. Nobody is "doing" anything to you. In most cases, you do it to yourself and have the power to stop doing it. Blaming others for your own problems is a bigger issue than red dye in foods.
I loved the podcast and the information provided about food and prescription drugs, UNTIL the panelists went off the rails on psychedelics. MAHA can be helpful if the leaders stay with their areas of expertise, and don't hypocritically prescribe their own favorite drug recipes. No side effects? You guys know better.
I agree that the comment in favor of psychedelics was scary! Psychedelics can trigger the onset of psychosis in some people, and Matthew Perry's ketamine use killed him.
Yeh I lost it (in my own little mind) when Jillian said..'and they have no side effects'!! I was a consultant to a small company who is studying psychedelics and I can say with certainty that is a false statement.
The very word "movement" of any kind makes my intellectual skin crawl .... Lost souls looking for answers outside themselves and their worlds... often a neurotic form of cultural appropriation, any other culture because fundamentally empty and incapable of navigating their own "culture". (Somewhere over the rainbow.... )
I especially get a kick out of educated and privileged progressive white Americans dressing up as Buddhists or participating in Native American ceremonies, for instance.
Seriously?
This was a super irresponsible episode. These folks are not experts. They are influencers. Very disappointed in this episode of Honestly.
Hysterical cacophony. A real low point for reasoned debate among knowledgeable people on an important topic. Bari, I’ve recommended the FP and Honestly to friends and family but now having second thoughts about that and my own subscription. The food babe! Give me a break!
Off the top of my head, there are 3 things that Calley Means says that are patently false:
Covd-19 vax is MANDATED (with emphasis from him) @ 6 months of age
-Truth: it is recommended, not mandated (link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/by-age/index.html)
50% of pharma clinical trials cannot be replicated:
-Truth: Pharma companies are required by regulation to conduct TWO Phase 3 clinical trials as part of their development plan in order to gain approval (drugs for rare diseases are usually exempted from this). Two studies are, de facto, replication. Might want to ask him where he got this fallacy. (I spent 37 yrs in pharma, working mostly in Regulatory Affairs from peon level to SVP level, MS-level scientist, and can say with certainty and based on my experience, FDA's expectations are enormously high and no favors were EVER given.)
- GSK and Merck are 'criminal enterprises'. Will simply say that this verges on slander, although I am not a lawyer.
Bari - suggest you fact check him AFTER that podcast. He is full of hyperbole, much like Trump and brings every topic back to politics. The other two have been working in this area for a long time, and they stay in their lane.
And what is this guy drinking in the morning to sound like he's on speed?