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Jay Covitz's avatar

When you compare the bravery of the citizens of China and Iran to the “resist” Blueanon crowd in the US, the contrast is striking.

I used to manage a team in China and travel there a few times a year. One guy on my team, in particular, was very western. He LOVED the US and especially, the NBA (I got to take him to a Celtics game when he came over to the states which was awesome).

When he was in the states or we were on calls together (not on WeChat mind you), we would discuss politics, what was happening in Hong Kong at the time, etc. But, on a trip to China, we were getting coffee one afternoon, and I brought up a topic we had discussed many times before...around the difference between the expectations of Americans to have a government that respects individual liberty vs. the Chinese expectations of a strongman leader, and he got VERY uncomfortable. Later he asked me to not bring up those discussions in public when I’m in China because you never know who’s listening.

I was really taken aback. It was one of those small moments that makes you appreciative to be an American; that I never have to worry about who is listening over my shoulder (other than for the fear of liberal schoolmarms, to wag their finger at me).

Praying for the Chinese people, and hope that at the very least American companies (looking at you, Apple and Google), can stay out of the way and not aid the Chinese government in their repression.

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GandalfGrey's avatar

We are not that far removed. Would you put a Make America Great Again sticker on your car?

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Comprof's avatar

When you compare what real loss/aabsence of freedoms in China and Iran is like to the Qanon/MAGA crowd idea of "loss of freedom," the contrast is striking.

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Steven N.'s avatar

The CCP and the desires of the Blueanon crowd have much in common. All you have to do is listen to the unhinged rants of Hillary Clinton of late to see the authoritarian desires of both.

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Comprof's avatar

Yes....Hillary is a CCP Communist.

I hate masks, too.

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EricStoner's avatar

I still don’t understand the fear attached to Qanon but not attached to the lefts favorite go-to conspiracy validation; “unnamed sources close to the investigation?”

Both are anonymous but one is stigmatized the other embraced like some kind of gold standard.

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GandalfGrey's avatar

Q Anon people are recovering socialists with a mix of former religious people who are now atheists looking for a human savior. They are still practicing socialists pretending to be rebels. They are still waiting on a great reset and a check in the mail for $100,000.00. They insist that there are secret military tribunals and executions happening behind the scenes. They are still socialists. Are they planted to make Republicans look like fools? Maybe not, but in my opinion they are the far left wing of the party and need to be identified as such.

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Comprof's avatar

I like how all those Supreme Court leaks, according to the right-wing media/pundits, were the work of a "leftists clerk".....but it was Alito.

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EricStoner's avatar

Got a link?

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EricStoner's avatar

Sigh. I heard from my pool guy that he had a friend who heard from another friend and then Hank Johnson dropped his “Guam Tipping” studies so he could investigate!

Hobbs, anything?

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J. Matthews's avatar

None of these links reveal what you've implied. At all.

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Comprof's avatar

Oh, I'm sorry. The letter written to Roberts doesn't "imply?"

Alito leaked Hobby Lobby. Leaked Roe.

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J. Matthews's avatar

According to the articles, Alito denied that he leaked anything, and the court defended him.

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Comprof's avatar

Hmm...

1. Believe Alito's CYA lie and cover from certain colleagues, one of which who has a wife involved in Jan. 6th.

Or....

2. Direct, first person letter sent to Roberts?

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Steven N.'s avatar

They are called bluanon.

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Shirley G's avatar

So how much freedom do you have to lose before it’s ok to protest? Or does the government get to decide that too? Just making sure I know for next time.

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Comprof's avatar

I think having to wear a mask when going into a grocery store is where the line should be drawn.

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Shirley G's avatar

and yet we were told that "fiery but mostly peaceful protests" were perfectly fine and not violent. The bottom line is a protest is protected speech regardless of whether you agree with it.

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Comprof's avatar

Let me ask you....

If you had 10,100 apples.

and 570 of them were rotten.

Would you have "mostly good" apples?

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Shirley G's avatar

and let me ask you, if you had one apple that you worked your entire life to grow, maybe it was all you had, and then it was burned to a crisp or mashed up to into apple sauce (in violation of existing destruction of property and trespassing laws), would you give a flying f*** about the other 10,099 apples, or why the burner/masher/destroyer thought it was okay to do that to your apple?

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Comprof's avatar

Sorry...."Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings" (Ben Shapiro).

You sound like a "woke leftist."

So....let me ask you again...

If you had 10,100 apples

and 570 apples were rotten

Would you have "mostly good" apples or not?

Yes or No?

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Shirley G's avatar

haha nope not a woke leftist .... but your question is irrelevant. The question is: if you want to protest something, should I be able to tell you not to, or should your right to protest be protected regardless of whether I agree with you?

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Comprof's avatar

Question is absolutely relevant....cause you brought in "feelings"( which is what "woke" people do, right?) about a hypothetical shop owner to try and counter that out of 10,100 protests, 570 had violence. So, as Ben Shapiro says, "facts don't care about your feelings." So..."mostly peaceful protests" is EXACTLY RIGHT....not by a small amount, but by great order of magnitude.

Your question is stupid, because that has never been under debate. Have ANY protests you want who cares whether you or anyone agrees with it?.....just remember that, Shirley, when people protests against racism, cop violence, mass shootings, for the environment, feminism, against Trump, etc....(i.e. things YOU DON'T like people protesting about), and don't lie about how "violent" it is/is not, or how "CiTiES WeRE DeSTRoyed aND BUrnED To ThE GrOUnD!" That's all.

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BigT's avatar

I had a similar experience in Prague in 1984 when my hosts turned the radio up VERY loud during our discussion of political/social issues.

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Anthony's avatar

I had to learn the lesson from a Russian man in Costa Rica. Not good if the government caught wind that you're not happy with lockdown business closures.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

How long will your comfort be the case in America under the tech overlords and Democrat autocrats?

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Jay Covitz's avatar

I agree. The trend in the US is not going in the right direction.

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GandalfGrey's avatar

Yes, try putting a Make America Great Again sticker on your car.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

Yes -- and to add to that, even in an American classroom, a Chinese student who says something negative about the CCP will disappear. I have seen this happen a few times.

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Comprof's avatar

I'll take "Things Thay Have Never Happened" for $800, Alex.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

Indeed, it did happen. I'll take Comprof is a narcissistic gas lighter for $10,000.

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Comprof's avatar

You said, "I've seen it myself."

No. It did not happen. You do not teach Chinese students. You are not in education, in any way shape or form. You have never taught a Chinese student that was in class on Monday, then was "disappeared" on Wednesday.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

This is hilarious— thanks for the laugh.

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Comprof's avatar

1. You claimed Chinese students in American schools, who criticize the CCP, "disappear."

2. You also claimed to have see/experienced this yourself.

Well....

The only "Chinese students in American schools" you could be referring to are either undergrad college students or graduate students at the various institutions in the U.S..

However....

YOU are not in academia and have ZERO interaction with undergrad/graduate international students, Chinese or otherwise.

So, you are a liar.....or maybe you can share with the class more details re: you claim?

Yeah....thought so....

Thanks for the laugh!

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Comprof's avatar

I quoted you directly.

The laughable one is you.

You are a liar.

Provide evidence for your claim.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

The only way that would happen is if other students informed on him or her. A rat-ocracy. A nation of Pavel Morozovs. Despicable.

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Kelly Green's avatar

You missed the news. China has secret police offices around the US. Probably using many other methods than passive receipt of informer statements. Active bugging, plants, etc.

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J. Matthews's avatar

Yes. The encouragement of single-minded thinking and safetyism that is happening in law schools today is especially disturbing.

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