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This article epitomizes why I choose to subscribe to Common Sense rather than the New York Times; it educated me about a new injustice that I was unaware of and introduced me to an excellent reporter that I was unfamiliar with.

While it is a cliché to use the phrase “not covered in the mainstream media,” in this case, it wasn’t. So kudos to you both for letting us know about it.

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Let me add: and still little to no prosecution for the violence of the summer of 2020, where even our esteemed Vice President provided material support for those involved…with the notable exception of Kyle Rittenhouse for defending himself.

Protection of abortion activists is just one arm in this discussion, and MSM is complicit in the silence of reporting it.

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I too think we need to look at the broader picture. The failure to prosecute the criminals destroying these pro-life counseling centers is now an established pattern. Those who expect a functioning legal system remember well the “summer of love” and “mostly peaceful” riots in 2020. Those fearing for their lives in every major American city know the murder, robbery and car jacking statistics. Those expecting a secure border have seen (mostly on Fox News) record numbers of human and fentanyl trafficking by narco-terrorists gangs whose brutality would make Putin blush. The common thread is a lack of prosecution. Worse yet, our “justice” system seems more concerned with prosecuting those forced to defend themselves than the criminals who accosted them. You mentioned Kyle Rittenhouse. How about Jose Alba, the NYC bodega worker? Both were charged with murder for having the audacity to kill their would-be murderers rather than submit to certain death. I’m certain there are others.

Absent the obvious pattern, one might dismiss the lack of prosecution as incompetence, but it occurs to me that there is something much more sinister going on. Our Justice system is devolving into a JustUs system for elites where anarchy is not only permitted but encouraged as a means to an end. Remember the Gretchen Whitmer “kidnapping” organized by the FBI? And why is it easier for them to tag concerned moms and dads as domestic terrorists for speaking out at school board meetings than identifying and similarly labeling Janes Revenge ring leaders?

Civilized society is being systematically deconstructed by the very agencies and departments in charge of maintaining it. Their participation in the expanding lawlessness as well as the Biden administrations documented coercion of internet platforms into censoring free speech and what it deems “misinformation” makes the goal of its perpetrators clear - facilitate anarchy and lawlessness, silence all dissent, restrict citizens access to guns, expand the security state a la the “Patriot” Act and procure an army of armed federal agents willing to use force against anyone choosing to defend themselves or the Constitution.

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Yes, all of that, thank you.

Several years ago a friend asked if there are different rules ‘if you are a good person’. He described a situation in his town where a little old lady, the designated peace person, wanted to go on stage at a town meeting in the wake of Sandy Hook and wave a rifle over head to show how easy it was to get a gun.

All she was able to get was a BB gun, and her plan was foiled when someone pointed out the gun to a police officer. The community outrage was that ‘she’s a good person and shouldn’t be treated this way’. The officer told her he would have dropped her where she stood. She ended up with a fine and court costs, but the sentiment is there: we know better and different rules apply, even if we don’t know better and haven’t thought it through…and we won’t apologize.

This is the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, but on the adult stage with serious consequences…and adjudicated by man-children.

We are moving away from the notion of a nation of laws, not of men.

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There appears to be a glitch in their software which I too have experienced. If you hit the refresh button it registers. I do wonder if a “dislike” button were offered whether it would be similarly affected lol. In any event I appreciate your support and concern.

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It's some kind of Substack issue. I've run into it on other Substack pages.

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Absolutely nothing should be taken away from this excellent piece by Olivia Reingold........but -

RaphaelExposed, If you are the type to read this substack, how could you possibly not be aware of this?? Tucker Carlson and Fox has not only been reporting this for months.....but has had the people on their shows talking about the destruction and the pastor...about his arrest.

No wonder nobody knew about Tony Bobulinski and his eye witness accounts of the Biden family corruption with enemies of the state....2 weeks before the election.

RaphaelExposed....exposed to what???

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I would bet a large proportion of CS readers don't pay attention to Fox. Looking at Pew's 2021 Cable News Fact Sheet, Fox's primetime audience is about 3 million people. More than that are surely reached with YouTube clips and article sharing, but plenty of us who follow the news don't bother with any cable coverage.

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I haven't watch network news in about two years and I am better for it. I still keep up with what is going on but I don't have to hear some jackass lie to me.

I'd rather go to a Jeffery Dahmer cook out than watch the outlets who claim they are news broadcasters.

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The NYT is a left wing rag. How many times has it printed retractions to false stories it published?

For the last few years it has been on the brink of bankruptcy. News outlets and it pains me to call these left wing propaganda mongers, news outlets lose 40% of their readership by being blindly partisan. If you are far left you lose the conservative readers. Fox News is the exception. They afar right yet consistently beat all the other cable "news" networks.

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Read the book The Grey Lady Winked. NYT has a long history of lying. That’s the only word to use.

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Also covered by youtube channels Tim Pool (@timcast), Black Conservative Perspective, Anthony Brian Logan, and of course Breitbart website.

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Most elections in the U.S. (and probably in the world) are the choice of the lesser of two evils. Very rarely do we get a saint of a candidate, let alone two saints to choose from.

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yeah seems like she had to get a snipe in somewhere. I thought those places DO provide some medical services - just not abortions. I wish she'd bothered to enumerate exactly what services that particular clinic offered - a factual report vs an unsubstantiated snipe.

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I appreciate the reporting on this. Ummmm…this phrasing though…” crisis pregnancy centers, which often pose as clinics providing medical services but, in fact, exist in order to deter women from getting abortions.”

I disagree with them “posing” as clinics providing medical services. And I do think it’s okay that clinics are out there to provide true choice to women. And pregnancy does require medical care, so there is no “posing.” And I bet no one forced these women to walk in to this clinics…so huh.

Again, I appreciate the coverage of the topic but this phasing is such a tell on the bias. If you are pro-choice then you are also pro women seeking services to keep their baby. Those services don’t have to be demonized as bad or manipulative.

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THIS. I appreciate that this story is being told but the writer’s bias really shines through in this statement.

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Veerrrrry dishonest take. "No one forced these women to walk into these clinics" Yeah they walked in because some of these clinics make it seem like they offer abortion and then once you're in you get a pro life lecture. The ones that say upfront "no abortions offered here" are fine.

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This take seems intellectually dishonest. A pregnancy crisis center that doesn’t offer abortions should not have any further duty to advertise “no abortions offered here” as Planned Parenthood would have to say upfront “no talk of God will be found here”.

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Ridiculous because nobody walks into a Planned Parenthood primarily desiring a conversation about god.

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Really? They should post a sign so we aren't confused. If you'll just do a simple Google search of "planned parenthood and God" you'll find on their website an entire section, in there it says "...We are all created in God's image, and as clergy it is our responsibility to encourage people to be good stewards of their bodies..." But, you are correct, they don't talk about it there. Who's the real POSER?

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Damn, thats bars

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Planned Parenthood is a black eugenics project conceived of, funded by, created and supported by racist Democrats to “pull the weeds.”

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Exactly!!!

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To be fair, there are a host of facilities around the country that purport to offer education, but once you walk in you get left-wing indoctrination instead.

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Ha! Best comment in days.

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Oct 19, 2022·edited Oct 19, 2022

OK. But no one forced them. And "lecture"? They are still free to walk away. I do think it is best for clinics to say "no abortion here." But the phrasing this reporter used is biased and makes it seem like they are doing this bad thing. And what is "veerrrrrry dishonest" about what I said?

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Stand your ground. There is nothing verrrrrry dishonest about what you said. And no, it’s not “best” for clinics to say no abortion here. Planned Parenthood does not connect you with continuum of care services for “crisis” pregnancies. There is value in seeing what each clinic offers. Don’t like the clinic you walked into? Look for another. I once walked into a bakery looking for a cupcake, but they only sold cookies. Should I insist they post a sign?

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In any other situation, if a practitioner misrepresented the services they offered, you’d agree it was wrong. But because it’s a cause you believe in, it’s fine. I bet if there was a “gender counseling clinic” that, sike!, only did transitions, you’d take my meaning. Let the pro and anti abortion clinics clearly differentiate themselves.

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There is more agreement here than disagreement. What I would like is if the reporter thought a clinic was posing to show us why. That is not done here, and instead I think makes it seems like all Crisis Pregnancy Centers operate that way.

And wait...If Jane's Revenge can figure out what services the clinics provide, then so can any women too.

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I can agree with that. I understood from the article that only Crisis Pregnancy Centers being criticized are the ones that intentionally present an ambiguous appearance.

For your second statement, I dunno if expecting women to emulate the behavior of a literal terrorist organization in order to get care is the best plan.

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I'm glad we have some agreement. I don't want anyone to follow after a terrorist group. LOL. It was more about saying that women in this position can research too.

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I think you are wrong; I worked as an escort for clinic years ago and 'misrepresentation' was NOT the big issue. What was a big issue was that there was NO clinic to get counseling on EVERY option available to these women at such a difficult time.

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There is no One solution for everyone. You can’t ever get EVERY option on any topic from one place. This is a difficult time and yet here we are, advising abortion is the only answer to future success or having a child is the only path to salvation. Neither of these statements are true. And there are some clinics that try. Read through these comments. SuzyQ works in one and describes it.

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Not true. Posting a sign is a little like judging a book by its cover. I believe in letting the "consumer" determine their own opinions about what's in the box. Just as a person seeking gender counseling is be free to walk away from those services urging psychiatric counseling first, there are others who are free to walk away from those that offer pharmaceutical relief first. I encourage all to hear both sides of the treatment plans and making a decision from there. I lived in a small rural town as a teenager. I" pretty sure pro and anti abortion clinics will differentiate themselves...don't they already? You say a counseling center is "posing" because you seek an abortion and feel you've wasted time. I feel like you wasted your time making a baby and now can't spare an extra hour to investigate options.

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The gender clinic analogy is a little off, I think. A lot of people trust medical and mental health professionals, God only knows why. When they walk in to a gender clinic and are confirmed that they were born in the wrong body and need to have treatment, they believe it and act accordingly. In other words, they go for the advice, and then the treatment. But if you walk into a Planned Parenthood seeking abortion, it is understood that you have decided that you want an abortion; you aren't there for medical advice. It is like going to McDonald's and asking for a Big Mac; no one expects to be talked into a seven layer burrito.

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As a person who has a degree and biology and medicine, I can say unequivocally, no person is born in the wrong body. Health care professionals that "confirm" this are part of the problem, not the solution. People who believe it and act accordingly are victims, many of whom later regret their decisions. I do believe there is an exceedingly small percentage of the population that is truly transgender and needs this kind of help, but not to level we are seeing today, especially where children are concerned. I am a doctor myself and think it is shameful that people in my profession are making a lot of money off of this scam, destroying people's bodies and lives. Sorry, a little off the actual topic, but I feel strongly on the subject. And the abortion clinic thing is well covered from all sides.

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Here’s the thing though. There are numerous women who go to an abortion clinic believing it’s the only option they have. Obviously most who do end up getting abortions, however there are some who when presented with other choices end up choosing life. There shouldn’t be anything wrong with helping a woman find those options.

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Clients locate Planned Parenthood or a Pregnancy Support Center by searching the internet, making a phone call, or through the grapevine which allows them to understand the services offered before even arriving at the clinic. Also most clinics' receptionists would answer a client honestly when asked does this clinic provide.....

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Really? You think that most women are so feeble-minded that if they mistakenly enter a pro-life pregnancy center wanting an abortion they are somehow tricked into keeping their babies? Or that they are so egotistical that they experience harm when faced with someone with a different opinion? Speak for yourself, but most women I know can make their own decision even when faced with an alternative option. Furthermore, most people call first when looking for medical services, in my experience. I've gone into many businesses in my life looking for something I couldn't find, but it never resulted in life-altering choices, and I never considered it a form of injustice. Women who are that simple minded really should hide out in a cave, or find a caretaker, but don't paint us all with the imbecile brush.

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Actually, yes. I have seen it happen twice. Young, vulnerable teens, alone. First one “kept” the baby after being told she was a “murderer” is she aborted the fetus. She then lost custody - she just was overwhelmed and unprepared and had a breakdown. Child now somewhere in limbo. Second one just as sad. Drifting in and out of homeless shelters... now scoffed at by these very same self-righteous church ladies as a “welfare queen”. Oh, the irony!

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Thank you. This is exactly how I feel about this. Am I somehow not to be trusted to make medical appointments responsibly because I am a pregnant woman? Am I too stupid? Too hormonal to think straight? So meek and mild that I just accept whatever the doctor tells me even if it is completely counter to my own wishes - even to the point of giving birth to a child? I wouldn't seek care from a new doctor of any kind without doing some basic research on their practice and determining if they offer the services in which I am interested. If I went to a doctor and they couldn't meet my needs in regards to a particular procedure I would find another practitioner. I sincerely do not know a single woman who wouldn't do the same.

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Do you have the same problem with Planned Parenthood not offering alternatives to abortion, like adoption?

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Why doesn't Planned Parenthood change its name to "Abortion Clinic -We Murder the Unborn"?

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Compared to abortion clinics? Let’s put things in perspective here

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Verrry dishonest take Senator Warrens.

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They aren’t really pro-choice, are they?

They’re pro-abortion.

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Historically, Planned Parenthood was founded to abort babies, not to offer pregnant woman a choice. Explicitly, Margaret Sanger’s goal was to reduce the fertility of African American women.

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I think Margaret Sanger was a despicable human being, but to be fair, she doesn’t seem to have advocated for abortion. She just didn’t want those “human weeds” to be conceived in the first place.

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Fair. I disagree with what she advocated, but it’s worth noting that she was a product of her time. Were she a child of the 1960s or later, the odds are she would think very differently.

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‘A product of her time’ absolutely not-my grandmother who was born in 1928 and worked as a nicu nurse for 30+ never uttered the n-word or any other racist sentiment. She also told me about how abortion clinics were put in poor black neighborhoods to prevent the black population and other poor people from reproducing.

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Andy, I have no doubt that your grandmother was an extraordinary person. Nevertheless, it is unfair to judge people in the past based on attitudes of the present. I know plenty of people who, while harboring no antipathy to any particular group, used words to describe them that are now considered inappropriate. Similarly, it’s easy to accept a belief - be it eugenics or utilitarianism or a particular religion or whatever - when it’s commonly held by the people around you. I am confident that 100 years from now, people will be horrified by some beliefs and practices you and I both think are entirely banal. I’m also confident that we’re both not bad people, no matter what those people will think.

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Why do you think she would be different since these attitudes are entrenched in politics for the last 150 years?

I see no reason she wouldn’t advocate for the same outcomes and be supported by the same political party for the same reason.

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By “weeds” you mean black babies?

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Pretty much anyone who didn’t fit her eugenicist ideals was a “human weed.” I don’t think she specifically singled out black people as such.

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Kellog was a religious extremist but I still eat cereal.

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Thank you. The reporter marred her otherwise excellent reportage with her obvious and seemingly inescapable bias with this statement.

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We all have bias. Seems fair to point it out but not helpful to use emotional language ("obvious and seemingly inescapable") because someone else demonstrates one we don't have. We can't escape it unless someone tells us. What she does after that is not under my control, and maybe eventually I no longer consider her a reporter I can trust.

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It would be interesting to hear exactly what sort of medical care they provide. If "medical" is in their name and they provide only anti-abortion counseling, it could be credibly argued that they are "posing."

As for bias, nobody is free of bias, but as articles go, I think this one is remarkably balanced. This writer is pretty good.

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More balanced than most, yes, but the posing comment comes straight from democratic talking points. I'm on the board of a local center, and they provide completely free of charge: Ultrasounds, STD testing, prenatal vitamins, medical referrals, training, material goods for the whole family, AND counseling.

Common Sense should do a follow up detailing the depth and breadth of the life affirming care being given at clinics all over the US because of the goodness of people who love life. Then tell us who really is the poser in terms of caring for women.

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Appreciate the information.

This abortion thing can be solved. The absolutists on both sides drive me crazy. I'm a 15-week rule guy; I think that is a reasonable compromise that makes everybody at least a little unhappy, but most can live with. Then we can hopefully move on.

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15 weeks means a week shy of four months. What, for you, is magical about 15 weeks? This is graphic, but those who are ok with this shouldn't find it difficult.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/abortion-15-weeks-look-like-gestation/

I had to use DuckDuckGo to find this article --- no help from Google!

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Nothing is magical about 15 weeks gestational age, of course. I assume that is a rhetorical question.

Pregnancy is an analog process - a continuum - not a digital event with defined individual checkpoints, so there is no identifiable "magic point." Unfortunately, when making digital decisions about analog processes, it's like Mason said to Dixon: you have to draw the line somewhere.

Of course a 15-week gestation has human features; that's the purpose of pregnancy, you know - making a human. But one has to decide whether or not he wants to solve the problem, and if so, that means making decisions - and compromises. To my eye, appeals to emotion are not helpful. Rigid, uncompromising positions will, of course, ensure that the problem is never solved.

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If there's nothing consequential about 15 weeks, then why not 6 or 20 or 35? You get the point.

Analog process? I don't know what that means. As someone who gave birth twice, I never heard my doctor suggest I was in the analog process. I was in the "development of a human being process" and knew that in weeks 9-12, fingers, hands, toes and feet were fully formed. That's not emotional, it's simply a fact. However, there's no doubt there are lots of emotions. Our bodies change, our hormones are wacky, and we understand the responsibility of developing the human growing inside of us. (That's why women aren't supposed to consume alcohol during pregnancy after understanding its effect.)

Where do you draw the line for slave ownership? No doubt you oppose it. That was never an emotional issue until humanity realized that one person should never own another person. For too many it was a sound business decision, that is until, thankfully, Lincoln committed to ending that scourge.

This is no different in that facts can lead us to emotional responses. Where it seems different in the 21st century, is that one group (the pregnant woman) thinks she is superior to the unborn child and therefore righteous is excising that human (and in some states) at any point along the 9/10 months gestation.

So while facts can beget emotion, facts are never wrong. The challenge is we don't all accept the same facts because the emotional choice is made (IMHO) by too many to put self above the dependent.

I've never seen more emotion exhibited than I have this last summer. From the words on pregnant belly that said, "this is not human yet" to the (un)attempted assassination of a Supreme Court justice! Truly audacious.

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Agreed. Given that there is a 50% expectation of viability if born at 21 weeks gestation or later, abortions after 20 weeks end the life of a potentially viable human being. To pretend otherwise is cruelty.

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The “health of the mother” argument is fake. A doctor could perform a very safe and fast C Section and save the mother and baby. The point is, not to save the baby and say that was necessary to save the mother.

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Correct!

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Did you mean "until delivery" or "through delivery"? Until delivery sounds like once the baby is delivered, you can't kill it. But through delivery sounds sounds like you may kill a newborn. The rest of your comment looks like you are allowed to kill a newborn in NYC. Which?

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That distinction is meaningless. Is killing the baby in the uterus right before birth any different than delivering the baby letting it die? Babies born as early as 32 weeks survive easily with proper care. They are almost fully developed at that point and can feel pain. So aborting a baby who could survive outside the womb is not just murder, it is cruel.

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I agree. I think overall the article is fair. I think also if you use the wording "posing" its ok to back up why you think they are posing.

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Um… the phrase planned parenthood is also misleading. They do NOT offer pregnancy services. ALSO, when I got pregnant at 18 they HEAVILY counseled me to get an abortion. HEAVILY. Said I would never finish college, my boyfriend would leave me… I said thanks but I’m keeping the baby and they’re like well we don’t do prenatal care here’s a referral against our advice. Well- I finished college and married my boyfriend and my son is now 20. Planned Parenthood is not some magical amazing wonderful place without faults either.

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I think yours is a typical story. When I was in residency, I received a frantic phone call from my younger cousin about the "rabbit dying." It took a full two minutes to get him settled down; we haven't done rabbit tests for pregnancy in fifty years, so I had no idea what he was talking about.

The bottom line was that his girlfriend was pregnant. I told him I would help them; what did they need? They lived in a very traditional mountain community; they were absolutely horrified at the prospect of an unwed pregnancy. "I don't know who will murder us first: her parents or mine." Boy, shows you how long ago THAT was....

Anyway, I made all the arrangements and even accompanied them to their abortion procedure. She was absolutely near panic, and her boyfriend not much better. After the procedure was over, she had one thing to say: "I'll never do that again. I can't believe that there were women in there on their second and third abortions."

Fast forward. That was in 1982 - what is that, forty years? They married, are still married, have two adult children, and have never expressed a scintilla of regret.

On the other hand, I also spoke to a high school classmate - my first crush - yesterday. She was pregnant about two years out of high school, had a daughter out of wedlock, eventually marrying a friend of mine when the girl was two. They were married 44 years until his death, and she has never expressed any regrets, either.

Although a supporter of available abortion, I have a very jaundiced eye toward Planned Parenthood. This group is the legacy of Margaret Sanger, famed racist and eugenicist, ("We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population...") and they are doing their jobs well. There are now far more black babies aborted than carried to term. Not good.

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Abortion providers have been forced for years to provide all kinds of false information to women seeking to terminate their pregnancies (for example, making abortion seem more dangerous than it is--pregnancy is actually more of a risk to a woman than abortion), not to mention subjecting them to unnecessary medical procedures such as ultrasounds.

The pro-life pregnancy centers had no such requirements and often disguised themselves as places providing "options" when they offered only one option--forced birth. Planned Parenthood, on the other hand, provides an actual choice--pregnancy care for women who choose to give birth and abortion for those who don't.

Now, there are laws like S. 1373 being proposed that will make it illegal to provide information on abortion at all, including on the internet.

I certainly agree that violence is not appropriate political action but find it odd that the very people who were violent against another group suddenly become shocked now that the same violence they inflicted on others is coming back to them. Yes, when abortion providers were murdered, bland statements like "thoughts and prayers" and "we are against violence" were made, but these were perfunctory at best.

If you are providing services for women who want to bring their pregnancies to term then you should advertise as such and not try to disguise yourself as an impartial counseling center.

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"False information" being a left-wing way of saying "facts".

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> "the very people who were violent against another group suddenly become shocked now that the same violence they inflicted on others is coming back to them."

But it IS NOT the same people. The overwhelming majority of people on the "pro-life" side did not commit or sanction the violence committed by a handful of anti-abortion extremists. The violence now increasing against the "pro-life" is not targeting people who have committed violence. And in that direction too, the violence is committed by a tiny extreme fraction of the "pro-choice" folks.

The non-violent groups and people on both sides are NOT legitimate targets of the violent extremists on the other side.

So you say that merely condemning violence (by extremist nominally on one's side) is not enough, it's just bland statements. OK, first show us how widely the "pro-choice" side is doing even that much - what fraction of pro-choice leaders have been condemning violence against pro-life people and groups, even with bland statements?

Tell us what actions beyond bland statements you expected from the pro-life side, going beyond the perfunctory. And then show us how the pro-choice side is now taking those actions you would expect from the pro-life side when extremists on their side are committing and threatening violence.

I don't expect that violent extremists on either side will listen to the large majority of non-violent people on the same side, but I do think the pro-choice leaders need to speak up. Silence can be seen as implicitly supporting the violence.

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Also, as far as abortion being safer than pregnancy, that "fact" can easily be disputed. Statistics for abortion related injury and death are notoriously underreported. Think Kermit Gosnell. He got away with killing and injuring women for years because of his own deceit, the collusion of NARAL and other abortion rights org and the PA Department of Health.

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As far as I know, PP does not provide pregnancy services for those who want to keep their babies. They provide pregnancy tests and some PP's provide postpartum exams, but going to PP is not like going to an OB. Pre-natal and peri-natal care are two different things. All you have to do is go to PP's homepage and you can see what they offer, though it can be confusing because they do list that they provide pregnancy services, but that is not the same thing as the care required throughout pregnancy, up to an including delivery.

Go to PP's website and see what they focus on. It's very telling. Also, PP doesn't provide services free of charge, except a few, like STI testing. Pregnancy related services are generally not free.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org

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Scott, you are incorrect, abd as a man, you have obviously haven’t had to seek the services you are talking about. I have. I have walked into a Planned Parenthood pregnant. They counseled abortion. Just abortion. They could NOT offer pregnancy care and had to refer me elsewhere. Go to their website right now! Right there, what’s it say right on the front page? ABORTION. They are abortion providers, pregnancy preventers, first and foremost.

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The problem with your comment and the tone of this article is stating that if some people attacked abortion clinics, then people who work, or volunteer, at pregnancy centers deserve to be attacked, or at least not be surprised when they are attacked for doing something that is helping someone who needs asstance.

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"Pro-Choice" was never anything other than Orwellian nonsense. One might as well use the phrase to refer to the "choice" to own guns, drink alcohol, or own slaves! But of course we don't - we say "pro-gun" or "pro-slavery" to refer to people who want it to be legal to do those things, not to people who want to REQUIRE EVERYONE to do those things.

Ironically, one of the radicals implicated in some pro-abortion violence describes himself as "pro-abortion" while saying that he, unlike others in his camp, is truly "pro" abortion because he wants to make abortion mandatory for all pregnancies, rather than a mere "choice".

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I'm not sure I see that. To me, "pro-choice" is actually a better descriptor than "pro-abortion" for anybody reasonably sane. I can't see anyone wanting universal abortion - that would end mankind in one generation. The idea was to have the ability to "choose." And of course it goes without saying that choice must come with limitations, too.

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Again, nobody who was "pro-slavery" wanted to mandate that everyone own slaves. Nobody who is "pro-gun" wants to mandate that everyone own guns.

The abortionists want a unique monopoly on the concept of "choice" because honesty doesn't serve their interests.

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I apologize - I know I'm really dense, but clearly I am missing the point. What does 'unique monopoly on the concept of "choice"' mean? In simpler terms.

Are you saying that pro-choice people are really universal abortionists and want everybody to have abortions? Can you clarify? I'm not giving you a hard time; I really want to understand your point.

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The same, and I’m glad to see this statement challenged. The misinformation around crisis pregnancy centers is appalling. All any journalist needs to do is look at their websites which list the services provided and go in person to confirm. Although I’m glad to see this reporting, I’m disappointed in the laziness of journalists today. If you don’t know for a fact how these organizations operate, then leave the topic out of your story. Or acknowledge that this is an assumption or guesswork on your part.

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This is a great point-although they can be mistaken for abortion clinics to the untrained eye they still provide free ultra sounds to tons of women early in their pregnancies.

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Exactly. I had the same reaction... almost turned me off the entire article, but I pushed ahead. Overall, great piece, but that phrase really stood out of character.

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Thank you for this information. When I was in college at age 22, I walked into Planned Parenthood and was presented my choice. A choice I regretted and stayed quiet about for so many reasons. That choice destroyed my life. And thankfully, I found other women who had the same experience of serious regret and self-loathing. We often speak about how we wish we had pursued other choices. And the "relief" we were told we would experience never came. So I am very pro-choice...but of all choices.

Thank you for the work you do.

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Bless you, SP. I’m so sorry for your pain.

I also want to highlight in this discussion that I often see crisis pregnancy centers painted as having some nefarious agenda, and yet which centers provide their services completely free and which centers offer services for money??

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My heart goes out to you. I hope you are feeling healed from the aftermath of your 22 year old self’s decision. There are healing programs out there (and maybe that’s what you are referring to) for women who have experienced the same struggle. And, thank you for speaking up. My late wife (God rest her soul) was a midwife who provided prenatal and general women’s gynecological care to women. She shared often that she had rarely met a woman with history of an abortion who didn’t have serious remorse and sometimes, like you, felt they had ruined their own lives. Your life is just as valuable as any other person on earth. We all have regrets of some type. And, even just sharing your experience with the rest of us here is doing good and reclaiming some value through your pain. Much love.

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I hate to say this because one of the greatest treasures we have under the Constitution is equality under the law. It appears now under the pacific rein of our senile President that is no longer the case. There is now justice for me and not for thee if you don't agree with all of the principles of our new social justice republic. I am eagerly awaiting the coming Republican take over of both houses of Congress and the impeachment proceedings against Garland,Mayorkus and the grilling of do nothing pretty boy Chris Wray!

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I hope you’ll reconsider your approach. I’m hard-pressed to see how the anticipated crop of incoming Republicans would do anything different on the justice front. “Own the libs” - the operating approach of most Republicans - is not a reasonable policy position and it’s also quite likely to lead to more “justice for me and not for thee.” If our basic institutions fail, we’ve got a disaster. And they’re pretty close. I’m to the point where I try to see policy questions as the center against the extremes, rather than left versus right. And my primary litmus test is whether a candidate agrees the election was valid, even if they would have preferred a different candidate.

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Candidates who argued the election was invalid in 2016: Hilary Clinton, Rep. Thompson, Kamala Harris,.. I can keep going. If you consider that your only criteria look at 2016 too. You can go back further too. If that is your only criteria you need to look at ALL sides.

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Agreed. I also think there’s a significant difference between objecting to election results and using the legal process (which I often don’t approve of but is a valid approach in our system) and simply making stuff up. The widespread (and unfactual) allegations about fraud in 2020 are unprecedented in recent memory and extraordinarily dangerous. Personally, I wish folks of all parties would be less prone to whining and more eager to simply concede and move on.

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Michelle we conservatives are sick and tired of playing the Dems game of being the reasonable alternative because it always backfires. The only thing they understand is when you hit back twice as hard!

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Republicans operated that way for years. All it got us was rolled. That is why we liked Trump. He hit back.

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If your litmus is if “the election was valid” discredits 70% of Democrats which consider the 2016 election fraudulent. As well as the 2000 election “which was decided by the SCOTUS”.

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That’s simply not true. In 2016, Democrats complained about voter suppression, and communicated general horror about Trump’s election. I don’t approve of that, but it’s not equivalent to what is happening now. Hillary Clinton conceded on election night, though she wasn’t happy about it! There were not multiple lawsuits followed by widespread claims of fraud by numerous elected and party officials. In the 2020 election, there is zero evidence of fraud significant enough to change the election results. To lie about that and rile up loyal Republicans with claims of a “stolen election” is dangerous, immoral, and profoundly un-American. I’m curious how you see this playing out?

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So there's senility, Norman . And then there's senility.

So if I grant you that, yes, poor Joe does look baffled out there - then I'll trade you that for the senility of Trump's comment that he can declassify highly classified documents just by thinking about it - only in his head! No documented protocol required. (I had no idea that was possible..!)

And then keep all of that very interesting stuff in the basement of a beach house as he entertains guests upstairs..

So what do you think? A trade of two equally senile minds?

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What a great idea. Both Joe and Donald could share a room at the local old folks home for the senile.

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Could you imagine their conversations?

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What women are told is they will feel nothing but relief. This is callow, callus, and untrue for most but the hard hearted. The decision to end a developing life should be difficult, thoughtful, and deliberate, not something one should brag about how many times they’ve done.

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Beautifully said.

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This phrase was why I came to the comment section. I volunteer at a womens clinic that offers free medical care to women and gives them ALL of the choices they have when pregnant. And if they choose to have the baby, they support the mother and child.

No one is making money at this clinic, who has the ulterior motive now?

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And they help them long after the birth too!

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This is typical of so many prolife pregnancy crisis centers. Characterizing all of them as "posers" is biased reporting.

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Where are the woke fanatics? They tear down statues, change the names of schools, destroy lives (Paula Deen lost her TV show over something she said 20 or 30 years ago.) Margaret Sanger who founded Planned Parenthood was a racist, https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/23/racism-eugenics-margaret-sanger-deserves-no-honors-column/5480192002/

How come the left fanatics of woke and the Dem Party in general who are so worried about and "compassionate" about woke feelings aren't tearing down Planned Parenthood offices? Does the word hypocrite mean anything to these Democrat jerks?

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Just like no Democrat would condemn the George Floyd riots, none will condemn the attacks on pro-life centers, because violence in support of Democrat causes is justified, in their minds.

These are sick people, who, as the have shown repeatedly, are fundamentally anti-human.

https://www.gordoncomstock.com/p/modern-liberalism-is-an-anti-human

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Once we travel down the path of "unequal protection" under the law, America is done for. The notion that the demented dwarf in charge of our "Justice" Department was once considered for a Supreme Court seat would be laughable if not so tragic.

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Lawrence Libby gets convicted of lying to the FBI and is sentenced to jail and loss of his law license. Michael Sussman and Igor Danchenko are acquitted in spite of conclusive evidence of guilt. There is no justice for Republicans in DC.

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And the really interesting thing is that the acquittals of Sussman and Danchenko are clear indictments of the criminality of the leaders of our FBI. Because they clearly informed the FBI that the Steele dossier was DNC induced nonsense - and the FBI both used it anyway and never told the American people that it was all a fabrication of the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC. When this becomes acceptable to Americans we are no longer Americans.

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I agree. I think these trials demonstrated that the FBI had nothing to establish Russian collusion and ran with it anyway. Either Danchenko lied or the FBI had nothing. It could not be both. A jury of Danchenko's peers said there was not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he lied. But too many will ignore the obvious implication of these facts and continue to prattle on about "insurrections" and "attempts to overthrow an election". SMH

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It amazes me how many people have contempt for short men.

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Only when they have delusions of importance and stature.

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Unlike tall people who have delusions of importance and stature.

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Cue Randy Newman.............

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Who's Randy Newman?

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Any means to an end. The new Democrat party slogan.

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By any means necessary has always been used by the left to justify violence. Unless, of course, it's used back at them.

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Check out Candace Owens documentary "The Greatest Lie Ever Told" is truly gobsmacking! You have to subscribe to Daily Wire+ to see it, but watch it and then unsubscribe if you want. She takes you places, I guarantee you've never known about. I think everyone should see this; left, right and center.

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It's on my list. Will definitely see if I can get it tonight.

Thanks.

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Would love to hear what you think. I've recommended to specific family and friends and still can't stop talking about some of the things she drills down into.

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Tried to subscribe last night. Impossible on the TV. So went to the computer. They wanted $144. I love Candace but not at that price.

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Gordon, was thinking the same thing. It was perfectly fine to burn down entire buildings in the name of “racial justice”. Why would they feel any differently about this? 

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Gordon, who is anti human? And who is sick? Pro choice people running abortion clinics? Democrats? Or both? You do know that millions of women who vote Republican do favour access to abortion. Keep that in mind..

Abortion access is not only a Democratic cause.

Idiots and basically, extremists, are attacking pro life buildings, and they all should belong in jail (and shame on the msm for not reporting it) - but because of that you tar everyone (small d or big D) Democrats? That's like me saying Jan 6 was the fault of the entire Republican caucus and every one of millions of MAGA voters. I know better than that. That would be nonsensical.

Best not to condemn the many for the criminal actions of a very few..

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Anyone who pushes policies which, whether intended or not, are targeted at decreasing the human population or decreasing the quality of human life, is anti-human.

This covers the majority of liberal positions today.

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"That's like me saying Jan 6 was the fault of the entire Republican caucus and every one of millions of MAGA voters. I know better than that. That would be nonsensical."

That would also be Joey. (sorry, sometimes I just can't help myself)>

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Actually I think poor Joey even in his delusional state doesn't think Jan 6 is the work of the Republican Party. Just one man, delusional in his own way (but I digress..)

How are things?

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Nah - turnabout is fair play.

All well here. Hope you too.

Days getting noticeably shorter and cooler.

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All's good..

Autumn is here. A great season. Looking at the colours allows you to think outside of yourself and find the natural beauty which connects us all..

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I find it hard to believe that the FBI cannot penetrate or get the goods on Jane's Revenge.

We are not talking about the Russian FSB here. Getting information on the owner of the website, associated emails, names etc, cannot be that hard.

Also, it seems to me, that Jane's Revenge has declared itself a domestic terrorism organization. Should its members not be on some form of list? Who has donated cannot be that hard to find out.

Has Twitter or FB banned them for promoting violence?

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The FBI is too busy going after the “domestic terrorists” going to complain at school board meetings

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That and going through Melania Trump’s underwear.

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"I find it hard to believe that the FBI cannot penetrate or get the goods on Jane's Revenge"

You are forgetting that they work for the JustUs Department.

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The FBI has been revealed for the flawed organization it is. Its leadership anyway. The Daschenko trial demonstrated that in sworn testimony.

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We no longer have equal protection under the law. Not with this DOJ, not with the Governors and AGs and DAs elected since wokeness infected law schools and progressive administrations, and the media that turns a blind eye to stories like these.

So the argument is that it’s “patriarchy” to oppose abortion. Let’s consider what caused that unwanted pregnancy. Let’s put aside the rare cases of rape and incest. A consensual, probably unprotected sex act caused that unwanted pregnancy. Wasn’t it allowing patriarchy to let that happen? The woman could have demanded a condom and said no if one wasn’t produced. Or the woman could have said no because she hadn’t provided for her own contraception. She would have disappointed the man, but so what? That’s his patriarchy problem. The truth is that women want to enjoy all the sex they want (fine, go for it), but without a thought to the consequences. Sorry, biology leaves you holding the bag, so to speak. And there are so many inexpensive ways to get protection. But as long as abortion on demand is available, the need to think about protection is less important. It’s women wanting their cake and eating it too. It’s women being irresponsible and being OK with a 15 week abortion that requires dismembering a fetus. I expect better from women.

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My own edit—-actually it’s patriarchy to support abortion. Men can have all the sex they want and bear none of the consequences. Not even the cost of the abortion.

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Yes, the subject of abstaining from sex is seldom discussed in regards to the abortion issue. Thank you for speaking up.

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There has been a decoupling of the sex act from pregnancy. Women (and men) talk about a pregnancy as something that just happens spontaneously, like a tumor, that needs excision.

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Interesting. Thank you.

In all honesty, I am very frustrated with the woman in my life because this subject cannot be discussed without anger and resentment taking over what could be an intelligent discussion. In the back of my mind when ever I hear the “abortion” debate - I instantaneously go to the “sex act” question (setting aside rape) and shake my head in wonder and quietly ask myself, “now who’s fault is this?”

And the public discourse on the “sex act” aspects of this topic are zero, nada, silence, crickets. And that’s just wrong. It completely ignores the personal responsibility aspect of this to the danger of many.

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That's thanks to the feminist movement suggesting that women want to engage in sex like men do. Generally speaking, they just don't. We aren't wired the same...thankfully. And of course, until June 24, they could "excise" that (great word NCMaureen), without a thought.

Tossing responsibility aside has done more harm to individuals and nations than any other character flaw.

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To quote Billy Crystal (City Slickers), “ women need a reason to have sex, men just need a place”

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Interesting points... let’s castrate all these men who keep knocking up women and suffer no penalty. I bet that would solve EVERYTHING !

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Using the left-wing way of thinking about the world, anyone can be getting the better end of anything, because truth is subjective.

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It takes 2 to tango. Or did you miss biology?

Rape, of course, is different

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Did you even read the article? BTW, 30,000 women get pregnant from rape in the US yearly. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/

There isn't a woman alive who could get pregnant all by herself, yet she's left to deal with the unwanted pregnancy on her own with all its implications to her health, finances, relationships etc. etc..

If men are taught when they reach pregnancy that they have the power within them to prevent ALL unwanted pregnancy by simply getting a reversible vasectomy - yes, it's now entirely possible to reverse this procedure - we must ask ourselves WHY are women even expected to put their bodies through hell just so a man can enjoy his few minutes of pleasure consequence free? Women have been taking responsibility of the vast majority of the birth control, with all the costs physical, financial etc. Are you aware that insurance companies can and do refuse to pay for birth control for HER, but happily cover Viagra for HIM? How is this fair???

So, PU-LEASE, do not talk to me about biology. My entire life as a woman involves intimate knowledge of biological processes - menstruation, pregnancy, post-partum, breastfeeding, menopause - as most women do. Sheesh! Apparently you're oblivious to the complexity of women's biology and simply do not care to contribute to a more balanced, reasonable, pain-free sexual experience for women. That's the point of the article.

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Tell that to Hershey Squirt.

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Spot on. My sentiments exactly.

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I always find takes like the one of the Baptist “minister” on PP’s clergy board to be fascinating. It’s not violence to burn up buildings and make threats? That’s cute. Does this fall into the category of a “mostly peaceful” protest? If these idiots burned down her church, would she consider that non-violent too? I guess though that when one is in the abortion business, a little property damage is not all that worrisome-as long as it’s happening to the right people.

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If she can square the logic of abortions being acceptable moral behavior, she can square the logic that an atom bomb exploding in a nuclear testing site isn’t violent.

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It's a luxury belief for sure.

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I am really tired of the trend of assigning so much power to “the aftermath of the rise of Donald Trump and the reaction to his rise”. I am a well educated conservative and have been all of my life. Most of my friends and family are the same (yes I do have liberal friends also). We all agree that Trump did not ignite or change our feelings about anything. We don’t like the guy but we appreciate that he empowered conservatives that are typically not the loudest voice in the room to have a voice in the conversation. Progressives have pushed and pushed and pushed their agenda for years and we are finally tired of it, finally found our voices to say that we are drawing the line and the pendulum must swing back and come into balance.

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I made the same comment elsewhere. All of this is rooted in Obama's "radical change now" philosophy and the generation that was seduced into believing that activism and change take priority over principle and respected traditions.

Obama said he would fundamentally change the USA, and he did.

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I have used this same point for years, about Obama’s agenda to fundamentally change America. 🙌

He remains true to his word, you can see his fingerprints all over the work of his proxies, such as the one he installed in the White House in 2020. I felt it when all nominees suddenly dropped out and endorsed Biden.

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Bingo, and hence the videos of everyone ignoring Biden when Obama walks in the room.

All of this mess is his doing.

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Unlike when the left assigns all blame for the ills of the world at Trump’s door, Obama is in fact responsible.

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And rely on the Fourth Turning for their justification. That is the basis of the Boomer hate and Karen misogyny. They will set us back hundreds of years.

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This is a well-written, balanced and important journalistic piece; however, the author lost me a little with this line “ in the aftermath of the rise of Donald Trump and the reaction to his rise.” Really? Years of declining American educational standards, where people are not taught to think and listen and engage in philosophical discourse, coupled with the absolutely toxic effects of social media for the past 10-15 years is what I think has polarized America and spawned violent tribalism.

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I concur. This kind of thinking is a sort of mini-Trump Derangement Syndrome. The education piece, which goes back longer, is much more important.

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I choked on that line as well.

It is now common place @ Common Sense, for writers to virtue signal their allegiance to the politburo by mentionIng Trump in some fashion or another.

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Some of the commenters too. I guess in a weird way it is evidence of his importance. They certainly can't move on.

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I wish everyone would move on, Trump is an unnecessary distraction, doing more harm than good. It’s time for him to pass the torch and play king maker in the background.

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I agree. My hope is he will wait until the last moment then announce he will not run.

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He should have announced it at the beginning of the summer, to take the wind out of the sails of the J6 Committee.

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Interesting thought. It might have deflated the Mara Lago raid too. Then again, we'll never know.

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Michael Shellenberger discussed this in a podcast- Trump, Brexit, the Dutch Farmer, the Canadian truckers are all a response to something else.. what seems to be an elite group telling others what to do. https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/why-they-create-the-disasters-they

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They want a world run by Star Trek's the Borg where "resistance is futile". I'll be damned. And I do not plan to be damned.

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Makes sense to me.

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Trump was not the match that lit the fire - he was a result of a smoldering situation that had been going on for years, if not decades.

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I agree. He just called them.out on it. Which IMO is why they hate him so.

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Especially the FBI. They've quadrupled down since he called them out during his presidency.

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I took that line as a reference to the change drastic change in tone of mainstream media since 2016; willingly ignoring human rights issues of those who do not subscribe to their ideology for the greater good of saving America from the “mean orange man.”

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Remember, it’s only extremism if you wear a red hat with an innocuous slogan in white lettering. If you wear a ski mask and raise your fist in the air while taking a knee before, during, or after violent attacks that ruin or even take someone’s life then you’re merely on the right side of history.

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This is such an important story- thank you for covering it - this is exactly why I subscribe to Common Sense. Surprising that the story is described as being ‘at the fringes of the internet’ though - it has been all over Catholic and right wing Twitter for months!

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Leftists implicitly regard anything outside their bubble as "fringe".

And also white supremacist.

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Right, so to people who mainly go only to mainstream media, it exists only on the fringes. I’m guessing they think those fringes are radical, too

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is there really a right wing Twitter? Thought that had all been banned as being purveyors of "misinformation"

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You say that crisis pregnancy centers (I’m going to skip the unwarranted scare quotes) “pose as clinics providing medical services,” and later refer to one that has an exam room. For the non-existent medical services? a reader might wonder.

Although I can’t speak to this specific location, some CPCs do in fact provide medical services such as pregnancy tests and ultrasounds, with licensed providers. Not providing abortions doesn’t mean they’re “posing as providing medical services.”

The majority of them, though, specialize in material support. I’ve donated to them - mostly Birthright, my favorite chain - since 2010. Someone blowing up a crisis pregnancy center is depriving babies of diapers and clothes. I’ve seen pregnant women in CPCs with a couple of toddlers in tow, hoping they can get another small pack of diapers to get them through until pay day. Or carrying babies who are seriously underdressed for the cold weather, hoping someone’s donated a snowsuit or at least a thick sweatshirt. (If you want to delight everyone at a CPC, get twenty or thirty bucks and raid the clearance baby clothes at Target or Walmart for them. They will love you.)

Underprivileged babies - the born variety, the ones everyone agrees are babies - lose desperately-needed supplies when terrorists blow up CPCs. Gee, looks like some people “don’t care about babies after they’re born.”

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Thanks for this. I will try to help.

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Most of them take “gently-used” clothes, too (always good to call ahead and ask). We gave nearly all my daughters’ old clothes to different Birthright locations. If they take gently-used and you’ve got time and a good thrift store nearby, you can really pile up the donations.

(Note to anyone else thinking of donating: No used car seats! Too much of a potential liability safety-wise.)

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I may be pro choice, but this is actual terrorism plain and simple.

What the hell has happened to the left? Its switched sides. Todays woke left have become the intolerant evangelical Moral Majority of the 1980s.

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The woke left worship at the church of personal, relative truth. Absolute truth and ethics have no place in their self-centered, intolerant worldview.

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They made their politics into a religion because they have no other.

I watched Obama radicalize my generation, and then I watched them blame Trump for radicalization.

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Yes. Exactly. As I told a moderate Dem friend of mine last winter, (and, to her credit, the light bulb went on) the kind of people who would have been religious scolds in the 80s still need to be scolds. They've just become humanist Woke/enviro/whatever scolds. They've always been with us throughout history. They just change clothing.

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There have always been these tendencies lurking in the left. They ebb and flow like tides.

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Chiming in on the DOJ’s prosecution of Herb Geraghty under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act. If you search a legal database for that act and look at the cases that have cited it, there’s almost nothing, suggesting that prosecutions under that Act have been somewhere between rare and nonexistent in the past. That supports the idea that prosecutors now are acting politically in a way that they didn’t used to.

Interestingly, Geraghty is also an atheist.

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A trans atheist, at that.

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Crisis pregnancy centers don’t “pose as” anything. That’s MSM-speak that feeds the violence against them.

Crisis pregnancy centers offer support for pregnant mothers, the depth of which varies depending on the amount of funding they receive and the personnel they have on staff -- everything from prenatal nursing care to food to housing to adoption referral to baby supplies. They do not “pose as” anything other than what they are, and the reporter of this piece does them a tremendous disservice by alleging otherwise.

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I found that construction jarring as well. There was also a reference to killing is unacceptable and all I could think was in abortion someone is sure being killed beyond the 11 adults killed in the abattoirs.

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The FBI will get to the bottom of all this right after it figures out why the cameras watching Epstein “malfunctioned”, and after it admits it knew all along the charges against Trump were baseless, and that ample evidence exists to indict Hunter and Joe both.

In other words: NEVER. The FBI exists to protrct a status quo We The People do not really understand, but which obviously feels contempt for the average voter, the rule of law, and basic decency.

Pick your name for that status quo. Deep State works as well as anything.

It remains astonishing to me, though, that the people who obsessively talk about “threats to our democracy” fail to see that the true threats exist in the people who installed Joe Biden as their puppet, and who control both our Intelligence and “law enforcement” agencies.

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Because those people are puppets who spread whatever they're told to say. Corporate news is nothing but a brainwashing machine.

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If we don't have equal protection under the law - and equal prosecutions for the violation of it - we are done as a just and free nation. I say this as someone who believes in a woman's right to an abortion within the first trimester, which is the norm in many Western nations. If Merrick Garland persists in acting like a latter day Beria,,. disgracing the Justice Department and undermining equal protection and equal administration of the law he should be removed immediately. Along with the blow dried buffoon who runs his FBI, which is fast becoming an American Stasi. If you care even a tiny bit about justice and the survival of our Republic, don't even think of pulling the D lever this November. A vote for Dems is a vote for anarchy, corruption and the end of the life as we knew it in our beloved country. No sane person can possibly tolerate this level of of insanity and destruction of the rule of law.

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Fast becoming? We are well past that point.

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Well, in the saner precincts of our nation, equal protection survives and thrives. But I take your point. Especially in the federal government under the snarling, demented imbecile who was installed, they said, to calm the troubled waters. Joke's on us.

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And I take yours as well. My precict is good.

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